Can the Liberal Party of Canada keep their top spot in the government Justin Trudeau has about a month and a half to convince voters that he deserves to continue as prime minister last time around their efforts to get more 1st nation in Europe and 80 voters to the polls this time Prime Minister Trudeau didn't mention indigenous people in his kickoff campaign speech today will examine the political system in Canada and discuss the top issues on the minds of the country's indigenous people we're back right after the news. This is National Native News I'm Megan camera in for Antonio Gonzales a Navajo man is seeking a stay of execution contending possible racial bias among jury members who convicted him the Arizona Republic reports attorneys for less money Mitchell filed the stay with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit Mitchell was convicted in 2003 for 2 counts of 1st degree murder prosecutors said he killed a woman and her 9 year old granddaughter during a carjacking the Navajo Times reports Mitchell was sentenced under the federal death penalty act because the crime was a carjacking that resulted in death Mitchell's attorneys argued in their appeal for a stay that the government held him in a tribal jail and repeatedly interrogated him without affording him his constitutional rights they also claim prosecutors took quote aggressive steps to keep Native Americans off the jury and made statements to the jury directed against Mitchell's Navajo heritage Michel is being held at the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Institution in Indiana his execution is scheduled for December 11th. In Maine Native American leaders are working to change a law that gives the state oversight of tribes the Bangor Daily News reports the Indian claims task force has drafted changes to the law that currently allows Maine to treat tribes more like municipalities tribes say the provisions could help restore their status as sovereign nations the changes are aimed at the federal main Indian Claims Settlement Act of 1980 which settled a claim by the past him a quality to 12000000 acres in the state tribes have often criticized the deal these proposed changes would give tribes more jurisdiction over certain fishing rights courts and gambling enterprises in some cases tribes have tried to resolve many of these rights through the courts or the legislature without success the longstanding fight around sovereignty came to a head in 2015 when tribal leaders said their rights were not being respected in the state legislature and 2 withdrew their representatives to the body and the changes recommended by the task force must be approved by the legislature. At a hearing in Washington D.C. Last week Democrats and tribal leaders criticized plans by the Bureau of Land Management to move its headquarters to the west the Mountain West a news bureau reports the House Committee on Natural Resources heard testimony on those relocation plans Tony small vice chairman of the Ute Indian tribe Business Committee said the Department of Interior has not consulted with tribes on the reorganization small said moving B.L.M. Would eliminate accountability and reduce coordination he warned feel them would become a tool of special interests and lose focus on its mission which includes trust and accountability to tribes the Durango Herald reports Democratic Representative Debbie Holland from New Mexico a member of Laguna Pueblo and vice chair of the committee accused B.L.M. Acting director William Perry Pendley of mocking Native Americans and a speech he gave 10 years ago Pendley said he was a private attorney at the time and said as a B.L.M. Representative he believes the move west will help the agency work more closely with tribal leaders the agency has 10000 employees most are located in field offices around the West the. Plan would move more than $200.00 positions from B.L.M. Headquarters to various western states. A student at the University of Wisconsin Auclair found a racial slur scrawled across her dorm room on Sunday and the message go back to the rez Katie Langer is red like Ojibwe and a junior she told the Daily cardinal student newspaper she has experienced other racial incidents at the school but said this one was very out there even for U.W. 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This is Native America Calling I'm Monica brain Canadian voters head to the polls October 21st the election 4 years ago ended 9 years of conservative control putting the Liberal Party and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in charge Trudeau's campaign included a number of promises for the country's indigenous residents he talked of reconciliation and he put 2 indigenous people in his cabinet but did he turn out to be the prime minister the indigenous people of Canada were hoping for a number of 1st Nations opposed his administration's per purchase of the Trans Mountain pipeline today we'll hear a few perspectives about the upcoming election and what it means for 1st Canada's 1st Nation meet matey and Innuit people but 1st here's a minor crash course in Canada's government the country is a constitutional monarchy that uses a parliamentary system they have a House of Commons which elects $338.00 members of parliament they mainly come from 3 major political parties liberals conservatives and the new Democratic Party or the N.D.P. Whichever party gets the majority in parliament their leader becomes prime minister so voters don't mark a ballot picking between candidates for prime minister Canada also has a Senate the prime minister not voters select the senators and the senators serve until they are 75. They still also acknowledge the Queen of England as their Queen but only symbolically she doesn't actually rule the country if you'd like to get in on our conversation about Canada's election give us a call the number is 180-906-2848 that's also 18099 native Joining us now from skip through Skype is Wayne case Speer he is a writer and host of the roundtable podcast and he's Hoda Shoni from the 6 Nations reserve welcome Wayne. Thank you also we've got Karen pulley aisy She's the former executive director of the aboriginal peoples television network and a Neiman fellow at Harvard University and she's Algonquins of the pic Walkman gone 1st Nation Hey there Karen I'm Monica. Ken let's start with you anything you'd like to add to my very brief description of the Canadian political system. OK So you nailed it I think you did a really good job of a few things that Americans must There's might find interesting one is that it's possible to have a majority government in Canada which means that essentially the party has the power to ram everything through for 4 years and nobody can stop them. It's also possible for this majority government and this might be interesting because there's been a lot of discussion since the Clinton Trump elections about popular vote it is possible to have somebody elected in Canada who has a majority government and house all that power but who does not have the popular vote and so just break it down really simply really simple way to to think about it so you have 3 people running in a writing and one gets a 100 votes one gets 100 votes and one gets 101 vote there winner gets 101 votes but 200 people voted not to have them so that's how about scenario where you could have but you already but a majority government but and not the popular vote kind of happens so elections in Canada can also be minority governments in which case the other parties can gang up and defeat a bill that the major government wants so as we're going into this election the question is who will win but also will they have a majority government and still have all that power or a minority government and it doesn't necessarily have to do with how popular vote is right and also what was accomplished in the last 4 years particularly when we think about the 1st Nation matey and you have people in Canada what was actually accomplished having this majority government for the whole time well that's our conversation today if you want to join us give us a call the number is 180-906-2848 Wayne anything else you want to add about the how the Canadian system is set up. No I don't think so I want to go through the conversation this anything comes to mind all wrong about all right OK so I want to Karen let's talk a little bit about the political parties I think the thing that's pretty interesting to me is that there's not just 2 parties ruling everything although that. There are 2 parties that are significantly have higher. Members of Parliament then you know the 3rd party so so the 1st one is the Liberal Party explain to us a little bit about you know what the Liberal Party is. How the Liberal Party's big tent party and it goes from a range of sort of. Left to right and I guess you'd say that they try to be very. Inclusive and the reason that they try to do that is that they you know can bring in as many votes as possible it's often said that they campaign a little bit to the left and then govern a little bit to the right so that they do a bit of sleight of hand. Generally. They. Tend to be supportive of social programs they tend to be a little bit like your Democrats of the US. And then what about the Conservative Party is that are they. Similar to the Republican Party in the US. Getting more similar you know really the conservative parties in Canada were always a little bit left to the tastes of say England and the US like it seemed like we would have a lot of what we call Red Tories so that when you get to the far end of the right on the liberals and you start getting into the Tories. Like it. It's kind of hard to distinguish between them but what's happened I think and a lot of it has been influence from the US is. A more right wing party has come up and largely through the prairie provinces particularly Alberta Alberta has a tendency to feel left out they have a tendency to have a different and more conservative point of views and they feel excluded by the Liberal Party and then we have these. A lot of right right wing ideas that are coming out from the US command and influence our politics as well so you'll see things like that concern about immigration for example that comes up in Canada that's sort of being that not just by the US but by other parts of the world as well. And then. Talk to us about the new Democratic Party. So the new Democratic Party has never held power federally although they have helped party Howard some provinces and they would be to the left they would be a socialist party. And they would be the ones that started universal health care who advocates for working groups they're not necessarily sort of a Labor Party if you will they're not necessarily a green Kirti or an environmental party because you understand there's there can be a conflict between. Having you know advocating for labor and advocating for jobs and then what happens when you start averaging advocating for greener environment and sometimes that some qualms like the some of the traditional jobs that the traditional economy so between the 2 will be fairly on the left and then they will sort of shy away from Green policies when those conflicts with Labor policy all right yeah so and we have. Someone from the Green Party who's going to join the show just in a little bit but let's talk a little bit about the Green Party Karen. As we you know the green there's a Green Party's Throughout we have a Green Party here in the United States but how is it different in Canada. Well I mean and the Green Party can be a little bit conservative on some of the values that they they take a little bit from the right I mean really so. They have been a one issue party they've tried to diversify. And kind of show themselves as more than not but really. Elizabeth has been the leader of that party for a while she's she's actually everybody knows. She's really personified. X. The exceptionally smart she ran the Sierra Club counted up before becoming leader of the Greens and. You know I think. As I've talked to her over the years you know sometimes you ask her questions like well if you became prime minister and she kind of lost and says I'm not going to become prime minister really what they see their role as well you know she knows you know what she sees her role as being an influence for up in Parliament and I think what the Greens would really like to have is have a balance of power and a minority government so that the Conservatives or the liberals sort of have to start leaning towards their suggestions and policy development. And they can hold the balance of power that can make or break a government. I think that's where they'd like to be yeah yeah that's interesting you know I watched the there was a debate the 1st debate happened and Prime Minister Trudeau didn't attend and so it was between the 3 party leaders. From the new dog Democratic Party just me seeing in the Conservative Party Andrew Scheer And then Elizabeth May and it was really interesting to hear the debate how different the parties are in some ways and also. How much they talked over each other and debate it was a lot of interrupting. Interrupting but also really trying to drive the point home like no this is not what you are saying you know what you're saying is not correct and things like that well if you're just joining us we're talking about the Canadian election which is going to be on October 21st and can Justin Trudeau get another 4 years what do you think give us a call share thoughts the number is 180-900-6284 E. That's also $1899.00 native we're going to talk more about the Trans Mountain pipeline which the Canadian government purchased and which number of 1st Nations oppose and we'll also discuss some additional political parties that can that are. Showing up in the news but not really that significant including the People's Party the Bloc Quebecois Chua and their own Oscar as party we're talking about the Canadian election today maybe have questions about how things go in Canada give us a call 180906284 E. We're going to go to a short break we'll be right back. Friends and family members of addicts can have their lives turned upside down from behaviors associated with the addiction and when it gets too much some people turn to an intervention as a way to get the attic help it's hard work that benefits from professional guidance the goal is to get the addict to agree to treatment will discuss interventions on the next Native America Calling. Support for this program provided by the American Indian Higher Education Consortium the collective spirit and unifying voice of 37 tribal colleges and universities for over 30 years a heck has worked to ensure that tribal sovereignty is recognized and respected and that tribal colleges and universities are included in this nation's higher education system information on a tribal college or university near you at a H E C dot org. Thanks for tuning in to Native America Calling I'm Monica brain sitting in for Terry gateway that we're talking about Canadian federal election today October 21st is when Canadian citizens will head to the polls if you want to get in on the conversation give us a call 180-9684 E. Let's take a call we've got goose in Alaska Hey there. Good morning drive by the line 18 I just like to say for. Can shake. All votes count no matter what party you're voting for because all wars has a say. Voting very important last we had like I know how many close votes. You had counted by hand. One computer because it was so cool selection. Important to vote for all people watching. Say something like your voice be heard Thank you all right with the I thank you so much for giving us the call and Karen you know brings up an interesting point about you know encouraging people to vote have you seen are there a lot of like get out the vote campaigns and particularly for Aboriginal folks. Just starting up now I think I mean the Assembly of 1st Nation which is our national organization its lobby group which each though is you know Chief select a grand chief in a national chief and he deals with the federal government on their behalf so they put a something every election that really encourages 1st Nations to get a vote. Well they try to encourage whether or not they're successful varies from year to year to having what's happening politically but one of their arguments is that they take a look at the writings that were kind of like really close or 3 soon and they overlay that with data about. How like if Indigenous people voted as a block in those writings could they turn it one way or the other and there's about 50 writings in Canada where 1st nations if they go and they vote as a block. Can shape the election and if that can be significant in a close race I can make a difference between a majority minority government it can make a difference really between who wins and who loses so. In that sense not only is it encouraging but what we saw last election because there was a lot of frustration with the former government which with Prime Minister Harper's Conservative government prior to the liberals getting elected there was a get out to vote campaign that was very grassroots and people were walking around with signs A.B.C. Anybody but conservative and there was a move to vote strategically and so we saw that going into the election and that was just kind of like observational science if you will we didn't really know people were going to turn out to vote but afterwards there were analysis done of these writings and they did show that the Aboriginal vote influenced several of the Writings so the majority. Government that the liberals enjoy right now depends a lot on them getting the indigenous people to vote and if the conservatives want to have a majority government they either have to churn those votes or convince indigenous people to stay. Wain here in the US We definitely have. Native folks who unapologetically choose not to vote in federal elections they'll vote in their tribal elections but you know they don't see themselves as part of the system do you have that going on in Canada as well. Yes for sure and that's particularly I would say that case at least a moment where I'm from the whole notion I. Tend to look very. Very much of the governments as. Another nation as a Nations a nation of ocean ships so the last election in 2015 was something of an anomaly saw that a 15 percent up to about us was about 62 percent vote on reserve voter turnout which is pretty high and it was mostly driven by a lot of the presentations that Justin Trudeau was making he spoke a lot about I'm going to create a new relationship it's going to be reconciliation it's going to be nations nation so kind of almost paradoxically he was bringing out voter turnout and participation in the Canadian system by talking about a new kind of Federal Indigenous relationship which is a core issue for a lot of intention is people that sort of the common denominator of there are when you cross the country we want to have a non paternalistic non-clinical relationship yeah I want to talk more about whether or not. It seems like he kept his promises and changed that relationship but 1st let's let's go back through there's a couple of parties that we still haven't talked about so the People's Party is one that's really interesting to me because it's it's new what can you share with us about it while it's going to have its troops birthday and few days it's exactly one year old and it was founded by a libertarian conservative. Who is named Maksim Bernie a few from Quebec and he actually ran for the leadership of the Conservative Party and lost by one percent to the current leader and 3 share so he came pretty close to being the leader of the Conservative Party but he's arguably to the right of most of the Conservative Party and as a libertarian he was something of an anomaly so he started this party up and I think its appeal has to sort of populist nationalists elements of the Conservative Party going to he's pulling off really support I think from the Conservative party to the degree that he has but it's a way in the back of the pack I've heard some comparisons of him to President Trump would you say that he's like on the same level conservatively you know he reminds me of he reminds me of the Tea Party which is which is to say a kind of a movement conservatism. Trump has really been told by that as has the whole conservative part of the Republican Party in the United States what about the Bloc Quebecois. So the block is OK because the whole rabbit hole we can touch you both are in our just going to keep it very simple. To block here but really represents the aspirations of the province of Quebec so you have states in the U.S. We have provinces and territories and for a long time how. The idea ration of separation from Canada has been one of the younger Carus politics so they've got a party that's pretty much just and this is ironic I guess they represent the separatists aspirations of Quebec you know the federal government more than a federal system not to go too far down the rabbit hole with this but I'm just curious if this party acknowledges the 1st Nations in Quebec and what where they stand in terms of. The idea of succession from from Canada I know that I was speaking to someone from the kid a gun C.B. . First Nation and they don't even speak French on that on that reserve so when would I mean what do you think about that is there is there any discussion about 1st Nations and how they feel about this movement. Yeah you know Quebec is really interesting I lived there for years and. The Mohawks going on the hog and we have a very. How I put it most neutrally a very difficult relationship because even though Quebec has these separatists aspirations they don't really see him look at Indigenous people once they recognize the legitimacy of the Independence aspirations or those in the suburbs has aspirations of a lot of snow or not shown a particularly you know I'm just I'm speaking from of my own experience and knowledge and I want to speak on behalf of other indigenous people so the blockade backwash you would think in principle that they would be very supportive of indigenous rights and incision assassinations you think Quebec will be generally but that actually hasn't been the case. OK I don't know if that answers your question well it's a complicated situation for sure. So the last party I know is is not a serious party it's called they were a Nasr as party and I noted that their their tagline is our allies surpass all the standards of ridicule of Parliament. What can you tell me about this when. Oh gosh I mean I just think about as there are many parties you know you hear about the you know the Marxist Leninist so on that come out but. It's kind of oh it's a protest party hands I don't know I don't take it seriously either I don't really have a lot to say but there's just one of many parties that are out there in the running . OK so caring and let's let's get back to traditional And you know there was a lot of hope and excitement when Trudeau became prime minister. Particularly my understanding is you know 1st nations in Europe MITI folks were pretty excited that he had promised to change the relationship with those people with them the Canadian government with indigenous people in Canada did he accomplish that what do you think Kerry. Well. Maybe it doesn't matter what I think but. It seems like. Like with the me. Making nation lurch at me T. . BT nation back but back in the US but in Canada there is the people who are a mixed blood but form their own nation prior to Canada forming its nation so they have their own separate government and their own ways their own culture developed out of the free trade so the. People of the nation in Canada they're happy they feel like they you know like when we were doing interviews with them on the A.P. Chan It was kind of funny because they were interviewing like from shark a who's their national press President and our host was like OK we know you love Trudeau you love Trudeau And largely that's because of the 1st of all the recognition because the meteor usually very less so and secondly he did a lot I think open jobs and business opportunities and they had basically been ignored and completely left out by the previous government so then we see. The 1st Nations that's where the real highs and lows are I think. Should OK men he was following let's say he was following about Iraq their relationship with the Harper conservatives had certainly to cheery added to the apology I think also since losing a how to really strong. Minister of Indian Affairs and they shuffled and. That was Jim Prentice and who sent POS way but he'd been a very strong minister vidiot affairs and they were getting some things done. After the relationship basically deteriorated and. Been true to comes in and promises and makes promises but it just seems like it's impossible for him going to be able to keep all these things but here see comes out right before the election that's the truth and reconciliation commission with a host of really significant changes that Canada has to make to repair the relationship with indigenous people and to just says I cut all of it I'll do all of it. So I mean it's it seems impossible and so I think what I'll do is they'll say some things that they've done and some things that they've failed to do. Pipeline that you mentioned controversial some 1st Nations I would say majority of 1st Nations grassroots people really don't support it and some 1st Nations do. When I was at a P.T.A. And we made a point of going out and trying to talk to the other side of the debate which is the be pro pipeline debate and you can really see communities that by participating in or will have gone from call 1st having high suicide rates not having anything for their kids to do to having coffee drinks and good schools and. They feel like they're having maybe an influence on the industry by participating and maybe making the industry more governmental I mean you can argue that point but that's that's what they'll say to us. And then on the other side are the people who are dead set against that so pushing through this pipeline on the purchase of it by the federal government was a downer. On the upside a few things one of them was. The. It got missed a lot in the media but it negotiating land claims one of the things that has happened since the 960 S. These Len claims many of the comprehensive land claims that Canada where the land was just simply stolen that no treaty was signed nothing was ever given in exchange these are um settled and when they started these cases started to come together again in the 1970 S. Because we were able we were legally allowed to hire lawyers at that point and a lot of them are still on settled even after all these years going into a new century one of the interesting things that happened was 1st nations didn't have the money to pay the lawyers so the government was making loans to 1st Nations and the idea was when you settle your land claim you pay them Bob but several years and millions of dollars later you start realizing that you're in the loop you've got to keep negotiating because you've got to pay the lawyer but you may end up spending all the money out of your land claim on paying the lawyer and pay for you these loans like they just said that they would forgive these loans and so that was out of the blue and mainstream Canada I think that's the worry because they didn't understand it. They've been fighting for reasons liberals have been fighting for reasons that seem in comprehensible against settlements to wars children who have been in federal child welfare system the Indigenous child welfare system is federalism run essentially by the federal government although it's supposed to be run by 1st Nations. But they have the purse strings right so they've been underfunding it for many years human rights struggle has ordered them to pay and said that it was discriminatory and they had to be cold thought before the Human Rights Tribunal several times and recently they've ordered the government to pay. Every child who's gone through the system since 2006. I think it's like something like $40000.00 each and there's about $50000.00 children who could pack it so it's why would you why are there showing such resistance to really changing not system and improving it and settling it it doesn't match some of the other things that they're doing you no doubt have heard about things like water where they over promised and couldn't quite deliver right like grassy narrows which is how to boil water advisory for over 20 years and still they do not have water that they can just drink right from the tap Well if you're just joining us we are talking about the. Election the federal election in Canada and if you want to join the conversation we love to hear from you give us a call the number is 180-906-2848. Do you think Trudeau kept his promises and are you comparing the system to the system in the United States what do you think about it give us a call 180-916-2848 we're going to go to a short break and after the break we are going to talk with a representative from the Green Party of Canada and we'll hear a little bit of the 1st debate between the 3 party leaders in Canada will be right back support by the intertribal agriculture Council annual conference agriculture investing in sovereignty the country's largest gathering of American Indian agriculture producers tribal natural resource professionals and U.S.D.A. Service providers focusing on native agriculture production sustainability and conservation at the Las Vegas Hard Rock Hotel December 1 through the 12th our ancestors fed them selves and weekend to early bird registration is Nov 18th info at Indian AG dot org. Do you. Know you. This is made of America Calling a Monica brain we're talking about the Canadian election today if you want to get in there still time 180-9648 before the break or talk with Karen police she is the former executive director of the aboriginal peoples Television Network N N Eamon fellow at Harvard and Karen anything else you wanted to share about Trudeau's promises and whether or not he. Met his promises. I think the only other the only other thing like it's a little weird. That I'm Minister of Indian Affairs and now you've broken that department. So I mean there are a lot of jokes maybe in countries like oh great now we've got like 2 Indian Affairs the program and. It was a real surprise and he actually said out of the 96 royal commission on the ditch the people. One of the things that happens that's unique encounters whenever people get very angry about something they have a Royal Commission in a way we all fail to study. So when they said that maybe what's happened is that the service part of Indian Affairs should be divided from the governance part so that some of the governance things could be transferred over actually to 1st Nations control themselves you know that's supposed to be the idea behind it. I don't know I don't know if on the ground like I really understand that there's there is a difference though all right I want to add one more voice to the conversation Joining us now is Lorraine recommence she is indigenous fair affairs critic for The Green Party in Canada and the rain is long Quinn and a French descent and a band member of the serpent river 1st Nation welcome to Native America Calling rain Thank you Monica glad to be here OK So 1st I know you want to talk about Trudeau and I want to hear your thoughts on Trudeau But what is an indigenous affairs critic Well part of the shadow cabinet inside the Green Party and my task is to track legislation that comes from the federal government and look at the impact which is people and make conduct analysis and try to figure out where they're going with it and maybe sometimes criticize. Most often CHRIS Especially. And there's a lot to criticize it it's a huge pile. And I've often told the leader of the party that it's very challenging because Indigenous Affairs deals with everything it deals with land management it deals with governance it deals with social services so. We have a critic for everything everything from transportation to foreign affairs in time the Green Party but we've got one Indigenous Affairs critic to track track it all. So you know we've got a look at I think what you know what we're doing inside political party and try to try to do better so I'm curious your thoughts on my question that I posed to to Karen about whether or not to go kept his promises. Well I would have to say that I think a lot of people including myself are disappointed with. You know with what he presented and I think the fact that the relationship has been litigious with 1st Nation communities especially over the child welfare file. It's just you know the actions don't match the words so it's you know I'm getting a sense of the truth of government the Liberal Government of Canada will make concessions and the drought to get us right to issues when it's consistent with their plans for Resource Development. That's what would be my criticism. So I think there's been you know with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. That was talked about earlier I mean one of the just glaring sort of glaring deficiencies as if we've come through a Truth and Reconciliation Commission where people have been describing trauma that they have suffered you know through colonial oppression and state sanctioned. Measures it's it's just. A huge vacuum in terms of healing and addressing both those trauma so there hasn't been any support for Indigenous civil organizations to address trauma support healing. There's only been talk of compensation paid to to the survivors of the presidential school system but there's been no investment in support to help people work through those issues. I understand that the Green Party's platform though is to addressed address those those types of issues. Yes So we've got I mean we've got some you know I just think it's interesting I just want to say you know we've come out with a policy we passed a motion at our last convention to repudiate the doctrine of discovery. You know which is really I think. Probably makes people wonder what is right and they probably roll their eyes and think What does this have to do with anything but if we look at foundational pieces in terms of how people have you know the Constitution of Canada. You know not just sort of the you know doctrine of discovery you know but the rooms that came out I was chair and all of them that people had a right to come in and make certain authority and exert their own sovereignty over over territory so the Greens are saying well you know this is we have to go back and reexamine based on based on current legal decisions you know the title is intact and and how do we you know and how do we proceed so we're saying there's foundational pieces to our platform that go back to the very beginning you know one you know no one is talking right now about constitutional reform but we're getting a sense that in the future this is where we have to go so we've got pieces respecting indigenous sovereignty and an inherent right to self-determination cultural revitalization and healing so supporting people and communities you know implementing the call action I think I really do think that the big piece that other parties are missing in their platform so there's certainly services programs and services that have to be supported but there are other needs that are not the other parties are not identifying those are the strong social needs because communities have been devastated through the child welfare system and we're looking at investing in healing yet you know one of the things that sort of stood out to me was the debate the 1st debate. That was broken down into 4 areas economy foreign policy energy and environment and indigenous issues and in the ended. In this issues area there is discussion of a bill that would put Canadian laws in line with the. UN Declaration of Rights of Indigenous peoples and I want to play this clip it's Andrew Scheer the leader of the Conservative Party explain why conservatives in the Senate blocked this bill and you going to hear Green Party Leader Elizabeth may jump in there are many A lot of goals within this piece of legislation many things that the conservative can sort of government will support that I will support as prime minister but we cannot create a system in this country where one group of individuals one in just community can hold hostage large projects that employ so many indigenous Canadians mining for example is the single largest employer for Indigenous Canadians with this bill is implemented we will see the complete blockages of large projects that's not build the types of prosperity there were over 37 partnerships agreements signed with the Northern Gateway pipeline project there are many Indigenous communities who will benefit from transmission and yes there are people who are opposed to it but we do not live in a country where any one group of people how do you know what it is like you why do you think it's so inappropriate when talking about indigenous Canadians you are missing the fact that Section 35 of the Constitution already is interpreted by the courts goes almost all the way to what you see and I did not do denigration of. Defense So today it's not I will conduct let me tell you agree with what we've already decided to do the court that do not consultation and it's not it's what traditions can take your time is what you think is consultation but it has to be free prior informed consent. I just love that they're even having the discussion about free prior and informed consent during a you know. Prime Minister debates it's fascinating to me Lorraine. Is this part of the reason why you're you're behind the Green Party is this this beginning platform of egg knowledge ing indigenous peoples right to free prior an informed consent yes it is like I think it's it's disappointing because we have we have case law intended that acknowledges. Title being intact and setting direction for people on how to undertake consultation then there's a test for meaningful consultation and we're advocating for free prior and informed consent and that's really disappointing to hear you know that a candidate who might be prime minister has such a poor understanding of Canada's Constitution and case law so you know we've watched cases emerge over the years that talk of the title being intact talk about Canada's responsibility So Canada has a do Sherry duty you know Elizabeth talked about Section 35 the Constitution and its responsibilities for the federal government and what I was one of the cases I mean that Judge Moore and again sharp dealings with indigenous people and I think the conservatives would do well to read the case you know it's. I think just holding up a piece of legislation in the stand that. To fulfill your resource development aspirations it's a misuse of our institutions so I think the greens you know what I was like to say about the Green Party in Canada is that we are different from other political parties in a sense we try to take a consensus based decision making approach and consensus doesn't mean everybody's going to agree all the time but what it does mean it means that if you disagree you put your differences aside so that we can move forward if if most people want to go in the certain direction so that you know the the policy in the platform emerges from the grass roots and one of the things the greens I think have to their advantage is we we have connections with global greens across the world who are dealing with indigenous issues in other countries so there's a you know there's a bigger I guess a bigger encyclopedia of experience came information available to us. And what's working and what's not working and how to move forward and I think the UN Declaration on the right to engage is people is such a critical piece. Of reconciliation and that we have to have legislation we have to have legislation to him meant a call. And it's to you know to see a political party block that. You know and isn't think they're only their only mode of must be resource development because that's what Andrew share was talking about. Wayne We're getting close to the end of the hour what is the atmosphere in Canada over this election are folks excited are they burnt out what are you what do you getting from this. Well where are all the callers. You know I got curious and I looked this up today and this probably brings it out more than anything else that I can think of Justin Trudeau has about 61 percent disapproval rating in Canada right now 2 thirds of the car Diao. I don't approve of him as prime minister that's actually a higher number than Donald Trump all Trump somewhere around 40 percent approval in just one percent disapproval or something like that or 6 but it's a lower number that's my point so I think people are very are very jaded they're tired of politicians and I have to say I think the Prime Minister set this up his it's his personality he's and I.P.O.'s you watch everyone so like him he wants cruel and he I think he genuinely wants to make connections with people and he seems to kind of person who will promise everybody everything and when you run as an idealist you have to produce the ideal and what we've had in Canada are a lot of Zero-Sum propositions you're either going to build a pipeline or you're going to protect the environment you can't build out the pipeline and I feel that really the exhaustion the anger the cynicism is something that when you over promise that's one of the things that you produce and certainly intention is people are feeling that way right now he said all the right things and it sounded wonderful but the reality hasn't been there do you think that well there's a possibility that you'll end up with the conservative majority. A conservative majority way you know elections are funny things you just never know I think I think a Conservative minority at this point is conceivable I think everything really from another no problems already to a Conservative minority looks on paper like it could happen but I wouldn't What I wouldn't bet on anything that's a really close race right now. Karen were right at the end of the hour are you excited to be watching this from the states. You know what I am just quickly say Indigenous issues don't usually make it into any sort of leadership debate conservative leaders in Canada have never sat down with the media so it was exciting to see at least the media break through and for the 1st time of our issues as a topic in a major debate and maybe to good news for your show maybe you'll have Democratic and Republican leaders coming on to talk to you maybe this breaks we'll see we'll see we'll certainly be asking them Well we're right at the end of the hour want to say thank you so much to our guest today Wayne K. Speer he's the writer and host of the roundtable podcast we've got a link to his Web site on our website made of America Calling dot com Karen pulley A.Z. 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