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Almost as many may never get on board. Come on in out of the rain. Hello. How are you doing . Pelley for a fortunate few, there is the health wagon. Who are these people . They are people with desperate need. They have no insurance, and they usually wait, we say, until theyre train wrecks. Safer Hildebrand Gurlitt was one of hitlers favorite art dealers. As the fuhrer was accumulating power, he was accumulating thousands of artworks. After he died, his son cornelius inherited them. Did you have any idea that he had so many paintings in that apartment . I tell you what nobody had any idea about this. Masters like matisse, chagall and otto dix worth more than a billion dollars today. Who do these masterpieces belong to now . Thats our story tonight. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im morley safer. Im bob simon. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. We know were not the center of your life, but well do our best to help you connect to what is. 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Simon the magnitude nine earthquake that struck japan on march 11, 2011, not only shook the ground, it shook the japanese peoples faith in their government and the Nuclear Power industry. You can see the impact of the disaster in the towns right around the plant, only you cant get there. The earthquake did some damage, the tsunami did more. But the reason many of them are empty and off limits today is because of the Nuclear Accident at the fukushima power plant next door. The whole area is now a radioactive wasteland, and the people who lived there dont know if theyll ever be able to go home; many dont know if theyll want to. Three years later, the events of march 11 darkened their lives so deeply that many speak of it simply as 3 11. The hell that broke loose on march 11, 2011, was the strongest earthquake in japans history. When the shaking stopped, a tsunami raced towards shore with as much fury as nature can muster. Almost all of the more than 18,000 people who died that day on japans northeast coast died in the flood. The quake didnt do much damage to the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power station, but the tsunami shut down the reactors emergency cooling systems, and they started to melt down. Hydrogen gases inside the buildings then exploded, spreading radiation into communities more than 25 miles away. Today, in the town of tomioka, the radiation levels are considered safe enough to allow people in during the day. Loudspeakers warn visitors that they must leave by 3 00 p. M. We were alone on the day we were there. The disaster seems to have stopped time. The clock shows 2 46, the moment the earthquake hit, and the damage to shops and homes looks like it could have happened yesterday. The stack of newspapers we found were dated march 12, 2011, the day after the quake and tsunami. You can see people had to leave in a hurry. That was the morning the government told people of this town and neighboring towns to get out quickly. Welcome to okuma, says the sign. Population today, three years later zero. More than 11,000 people left town that day and never returned. Would you ever want to go back to okuma to live there again . Norio kimura translated yes, i would like to before i die. Simon norio kimura lived with his wife and two daughters next door to his parents. The tsunami killed his father, his wife, and his youngest daughter, yuna, a bright and cheerful sevenyearold. This is what their homes looked like before march 11, 2011. This is whats left today foundations, and scraps of memories that he keeps in a small box by what was once the front door. Kimura this is a shoe she was wearing that day, which was found in a heap of rubble six months after the disaster. Simon because of radiation, kimura can only visit his former home ten times a year and stay only five hours. In february, his allotted day came in the middle of a blizzard. On each visit, kimura brings flowers to a small shrine he built to honor his family. They were among the 111 people who died in okuma that day. The remains of a 110 have been recovered. The only one still missing is norio kimuras daughter, yuna. Ten times a year, he goes back home to search for her. On saturday, you were digging again in okuma. It was snowing, it was freezing. Why . Kimura to find yuna, of course. And also if i stopped searching or gathering her things, i will lose the connection with her. To be honest, the reason why i can live my life every day is because i have to find her and her things. I need to do this to keep my sanity. Simon volunteers now help kimura dig through the piles of debris left by the tsunami. Everyones dressed in protective clothing to limit their exposure to radiation. The digging seems futile, but on this day, kimura unearthed clothing he says belonged to his surviving daughter, mayu. On march 11, the day of the tsunami, kimura made a mistake for which he will never forgive himself. He was at work on a farm, and he stayed there. Did you think then that there would be a tsunami . Kimura there was a radio at my work, and my boss told me that the tsunami was going to be three meters tall. My house is five to six meters above sea level, so i was convinced that our home would be fine, and did not worry about it at all after that. Simon do you think there is anything you could have done to save your family . Kimura i should have gone home right away. I regret believing the information easily while my family was in lifethreatening danger. Even now, i say to myself, what was i thinking . Simon when radiation forced the evacuation of okuma, the town leader told norio kimura to stop searching for the missing and start caring for the living. So he and his daughter moved here to the japanese alps, where the brisk air and the snow capped mountains made radiation and tsunamis difficult to imagine. Kimura has traded farming for a guest house hes planning to open. His daughter, mayu, talks about her mother more than her missing sister, and doesnt ask why her father continues searching for her. Their new Mountain Home is 2,000 feet above the perils of the sea, and 180 miles from the fukushima plant. Ghost towns surround the plant now, but three years later, there are still more than 4,000 workers there, all of them wearing layers of protection. Because of the exposure to radiation, the men in this building are only allowed to work two and a half hours a day. Theyre not producing any electricity, theyre just cleaning up. Were tepco workers adequately trained to handle the emergency . Yoichi funabashi i dont think so. Simon within months of the accident, yoichi funabashi, a former newspaper editor, headed an investigation into what went wrong and why. It was the only investigation not sponsored by the government, and its conclusions were brutal. Funabashi i was very much concerned about the government not telling the truth to the public. Simon the revelations in funabashis report added to the publics anger and dismay. He wrote that, from the beginning, the government had conspired with the industry to convince people that Nuclear Power is safe. So, the government effort at the time was to convince people that there was nothing to worry about . Funabashi exactly. Nothing to worry about. Dont worry. Okay, even dont prepare for that. The severe accident, okay. Because that would cause that unnecessary unease and unnecessary misunderstanding. Simon and theres no reason to prepare. Funabashi no reason to prepare. So, this avoidance ultimately translated into unpreparedness. Lake barrett Mother Nature threw a real curve ball to the japanese with that huge tsunami. Simon last year, tepco hired American Nuclear Engineer Lake barrett as an advisor. Barrett directed the cleanup at the three Mile Island Nuclear plant after its accident in 1979. Its estimated that the cleanup is going to take 30 the 40 years. To a layman, that sounds very, very long. Can you explain why thats. Lake barrett to me, thats. Thats not long at all. That. Thats what i would expect for that kind of thing. Its a huge challenge. Its. Its a big onsite mess that they have to clean up, and its going to take them decades to do it. It took us ten years to do three mile island, and the three mile island accident was much simpler than they have at fukushima. Simon are they where you thought they would be three years later . Barrett id hoped theyd be further along. Its been challenging, technically, its been challenging culturally and politically for them. But theyre making Good Progress now. Simon sounds like youre being a little diplomatic. Barrett well, the Decision Making process in japan is. Is complicated. Simon Decision Making in japan requires consensus, and reaching consensus often takes a very long time. The most difficult job will be to dismantle the melted reactors, but radiation is too high for workers to get there. For now, tepco is inundated with groundwater that leaks into the reactors and gets contaminated. Every day, 100,000 gallons of radioactive water has to be pumped out before it reaches the ocean. Tepco is filling storage tanks almost as fast as it can build them, and theyre notorious for leaking. Another enormous cleanup is happening outside the plant. Entire communities are being cleared of contaminated materials that will have to be stored for generations. This part of japan is known for its agriculture, but the only crop growing now is the multitude of black bags holding the radioactive waste, filling the empty spaces in towns like okuma. Now, some of the kids from okuma live and go to school 70 miles away. How many of you would like to go back to okuma . Everybody. How many of you think you will go back to okuma . Whats keeping you from going back to okuma now . You can tell me. translated because theres a lot of radiation, theres a lot of Radioactive Material there. Simon these kids will be middleaged before the cleanup is finished. Their homes could have been rebuilt quickly if it had just been an earthquake and a tsunami. Its the manmade disaster which will take decades to repair. This is the class that norio kimuras daughter, yuna, would have been in if she were alive. Her friend kurea remembers they ate lunch together. Where is she now . Kurea translated in okuma. Shes lonely, being alone in the town of okuma all this time. I think she must be lonely. Simon about a third of the residents from okuma decided to stick together and moved into what the government called temporary housing. Temporary is lasting a long time. The three generations of kimuras that once lived together are now split apart. Norio and his daughter live in nagano, five hours away from his mother, tomoe. She lives in the temporary housing, alone in a cold and cramped room furnished with photographs. The kimuras, like many japanese, have a strong connection to their dead and feel obliged to help them be at peace. As long as the dead are in limbo, so are the living. Youve lost so much of your family, why arent you together with your son now . Tomoe kimura translated im with my husbands ashes now. Once i find a proper place to put him, id like to go to nagano. Simon what do you think the right place will be . Tomoe kimura our Family Cemetery in okuma is contaminated with radiation now. I could come back two or three times a year to burn incense for him, but my grandchild would not be able to come. I dont want to keep him where his grandchild, whom he used to adore so much, cant even come to visit. Simon ten times a year, norio kimura visits his ancestors in the Family Cemetery, a place where he thought he would be laid to rest one day and where his children would come to visit him. But he wont find any peace, he says, until after he finds yuna. Do you think theres any chance of ever finding your daughter . Norio kimura i know that the chance is very slim, but no matter how slim the chance is, i still cannot stop. From the outside looking in, i know that this is very unlikely. But i still cant stop, even if i cannot ever find her. Cbs money watch update sponsored by lincoln financial. Calling all chief life officers. Glor good evening. Gm starts making repairs this week on more than two million cars recalled over foughty ignition switches. The worlds two biggest cement makers mastering in a 50 billion deal. And bill gates is urging wealthy chinese businessmen to give more money to charity. 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The tight folds of the cumberland mountains mark the point of western virginia that splits kentucky and tennessee the very center of appalachia, a land rich in soft coal and hard times. Around wise county, folks are welcomed by storefronts to remember what life was like before unemployment hit 9 . Teresa gardner the roads are narrow and windy curves, so its not easy to drive the bus. Pelley this is Teresa Gardners territory. She cant be more than 5,4, but she muscles the bus through the hollers, deaf to the complaints of a 13yearold winnebago thats left its best miles behind it. Gardner having problems seeing here. Pelley you really cant see. The wipers are nearly shot and the defrosters out cold. There you go, you can see a little better now. laughs i understand theres a hole in the floorboard here somewhere . Gardner yes, its right over there, so dont get in that area. laughs pelley the old truck may be a ruin, but like most rvs, its pretty good at discovering america. Gardner and her partner, paula meade, are Nurse Practitioners aboard the health wagon, a charity that puts free healthcare on the road. How many patients do we have on the schedule today . He was going to see what he can free up for us. Pelley the health wagon pulls up in parking lots across six counties in southwestern virginia. Yall come on in out of the rain. Pelley its not long before the waiting room is packed. Hello, mr. Hank, how you doing . Pelley . And two exam rooms are full. With advanced degrees in nursing, gardner and meade are allowed to diagnose illnesses, write prescriptions, order tests and xrays. Stick it out, ah. Pelley on average, there are 20 patients a day; thats recently up by 70 . The health wagon is a small operation that started back in 1980. It runs mostly on federal grants, and corporate and private donations. Blood pressure a bit high before . Just when i get aggravated. Pelley who are these people who come into the van . Paula meade they are people that are in desperate need. They have no insurance, and they usually wait, we say, until they are train wrecks. Their blood pressures come in emergency levels. We have blood sugars come in 500, 600s because they cant afford their insulin. Pelley but why do they not see a doctor or a nurse before they become, as you call it, train wrecks . Meade because they dont have any money. They dont have money to pay for labs. They dont have money to go to an e. R. And these are very proud people. They. You know, you go to the e. R. , you get a 3,500 bill. And then what do you do . Youre given a prescription, you cant fill it. Thats why theyre train wrecks. They have nowhere else to go. Pelley glenda moore had nowhere to go but the e. R. When the pain in her leg became unbearable. Her job at mcdonalds making biscuits didnt include insurance that she could afford. Glenda moore the only doctor that would see me, you had to have 114 up front just to be seen. Pelley what does 114 mean to your Monthly Budget . Moore oh, my gosh. Thats half of my weekly pay. I make 7. 80 an hour. My paycheck was about. After taxes, about 475 every two weeks. Pelley the pain was from a blood clot. She needed lovenox, a clot buster that costs about 500 for a full treatment. Meade was she on lovenox when she was discharged from the hospital . Pelley paula meade got the call from the e. R. , which didnt want to bear the cost. The health wagon had the drug for free, and there was no charge for some stern medical advice. Meade you are going to die if you dont quit smoking, and it could be within a week. You need to stop now, okay . Pelley she took the advice to stop smoking and took lovenox, but one day she felt so bad, she went back to the e. R. Moore and they did a ct scan and an xray and found the blood clot had went to my lung. But they also saw another mass on my lung, and then transported me to a bigger hospital. They found the lesions in my brain, so i was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer and brain cancer. Pelley what are the doctors telling you . Moore i start my treatment on monday, the brain radiation, and he seemed very. I mean, he seemed optimistic. Pelley are you hopeful . Moore i am. I have been. I dont know, i just feel very hopeful. Pelley hope, especially when the odds are long, has always been essential to survival in appalachia. The recovery from the Great Recession hasnt arrived. In coal these days, they just take the top off the mountain and you dont need many men for that. Around here, about 1,000 were laid off in the last two years. 12 of the folks dont have enough to eat. And we met them waiting for their number at zion family ministries church, where a charity called feeding america was handing out just enough to get through a week, if you stretch. 1,654 lined up, a parking lot of possibilities for gardner, possibilities for gardner, meade and the health wagon. Theyve known these people and each other most of their lives. Youve been together since eighth grade . Meade eighth grade, yes. Pelley why do you do this work . Meade because somebody has to. You know, theres people here, you know. We always. We had dreams. We wanted to move away from here. We all. You know, we did. And then, we come back and we saw the need. And actually, theres a vulnerable population here thats different from the rest of america. I mean, there are people. You can replicate this, but were kind of forgotten. Theres no one here to take care of them but us. Pelley these patients would be taken care of in the 26 states that expanded medicaid under obamacare. The federal government pays the extra cost to the states for three years. But virginia and the others that opted out fear that the cost in the future could bankrupt them. So health wagon patients we met have fallen through this untended gap. Do you have insurance . No, maam. Pelley have any of you tried to sign up for the president s Health Insurance plan . No. Pelley why not . Brittany phipps i cant afford it. Sissy cantrell i cant, either. Pelley Sissy Cantrell was laid off from a head start center. Shes been suffering from migraines and seizures. Cantrell i cry for no reason at all, okay. Have you been seeing a counselor . Cantrell no. Okay. Pelley she came away from the health wagon with medication. Brittany phipps works more than 50 hours a week, but thats two parttime jobs, so theres no insurance for her diabetes. So youre getting your insulin through the health wagon . Phipps i am now, yeah. Pelley and if that wasnt available, where would you get the insulin . Phipps i dont know. Pelley walter laneys diabetes blinded him in one eye and threatens the other. The health wagon stabilized him and set him up with a specialist. Hey, walter, this is dr. Isaacs. Hows it going . Walter laney pretty good. How have youre sugars been . Laney okay. They got my blood sugars back under control. Before this year, i was in the hospital three, four times, and this year, i aint been in none since ive been seeing them. If it hadnt a been for them, i dont think id be here today. Pelley outside the church where they were handing out food, we met dr. Joe smiddy, a lung specialist whos the Health Wagons volunteer medical director. Joe smiddy this is a third world country of diabetes, hypertension, lung cancer and c. O. P. D. Pelley dr. Smiddy drives a Second Health wagon, a tractor trailer xray lab. I guess they taught you something about radiology and all of that in medical school. Did they teach you how to drive an 18wheeler . Smiddy i did have to go to tractortrailer school. And it took a long time. Pelley was that harder than medical school, in some ways . Smiddy it was very difficult to get anyone to insure a doctor to drive a tractortrailer. Insurance companies didnt believe me. Pelley his xray screen is a window on chronic, untreated disease, including black lung from the mines. Smiddy weve seen coal workers pneumoconiosis, emphysema, c. O. P. D. , enlarged hearts. Theres 15 of the 26 had significant abnormalities here today. Pelley just today . Smiddy just today. Pelley but when they leave your health wagon, they still dont have Health Insurance. How do they get treated for these things that youre finding . Smiddy we negotiate. We can talk to the hospital system. We dont leave any patient unattended. We raise money for them. Pelley you find a way. Smiddy we will find a way. Pelley they found a way to get glenda moore radiation for her brain cancer. But shed been a smoker for 25 years, and she died three months after our interview. You dont like this idea of receiving charity . Moore no. Oh, i hate it. My dad was in the military. And when he was diagnosed with cancer, he was taken care of. And i dont know, i just always assumed, you know, thats how it would work. Pelley do you think things wouldve been different if youd had an opportunity to go to a doctor more often . Moore oh, definitely. I know it would be different. Pelley the outreach to all the people like glenda moore costs the health wagon about a million and a half dollars a year. A third of that is from those federal grants, and the rest from donations. Doctors volunteer and pharmaceutical Companies Donate drugs. But when we were with them. We got no electricity on the health side. Pelley . They sure could have used a new truck battery. There it goes. Yay gardner can we give you all a free flu shot for helping us . Need a free flu shot, beaver . Nope. Okay. Pelley Teresa Gardner and paula meade apply for grants, and travel to churches praying for donations and passing the plate. Are there days you say to yourself, i cant do this anymore. Meade oh, every day. Not every day, i shouldnt say every day. There are a lot of days that you go home and you get frustrated because were writing grants till 10 00 at night. Were begging for money. And youre almost in tears because were, like, okay, what are we going to do . Because ive got a family, too. It gets frustrating, it gets hard. Pelley its enough to wear you out, teresa. Gardner were pretty beat down by the end of the day on most days, really. But we do get more out of it then we ever give. Meade when you look at it practically, you think, what in the world am i thinking . But then i have that one patient that may come in and say, couldnt bring you anything, cant pay anything, but heres a quilt i want to give you. And i mean, when they do that and theyre so heartfelt and you just. And they put their arms around you i dont know what id do without you. Youre doing a lot better. It lets you think, okay, i was put here for a purpose. Gardner and you can do it another day. Youre a blessing to us. Well, thank you all. Yall are blessing us. Gardner its them, and thats what touches our heart. Pelley this week in virginia, there is a crisis at the capital where the new democratic governor is demanding Medicaid Expansion from the republican house. But neither side will budge, and now theres a threat of a Government Shutdown in that state. Theres no shutting down the health wagon, though. Gardner and meade have raised money for a new truck, and they hope to get it on the road in the spring. Take a closer look at your fidelity green line and youll see just how much it has to offer, especially if youre thinking of moving an old 401 k to a fidelity ira. It gives you a wide range of investment options. And the free help you need to make sure your investments fit your goals and what youre really investing for. Tap into the full power of your fidelity green line. Call today and well make it easy to move that old 401 k to a fidelity rollover ira. So when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis them. 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The massive collection barely a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of artworks still missing was discovered in a munich apartment owned by Cornelius Gurlitt, the reclusive 81yearold son of one of hitlers favorite art dealers. Most of it was art plundered from museums and from jewish collections. For germans, it was an unwelcome reminder of a bitter history. To the heirs of the victims, its perhaps a last chance to recover a small vestige of family history. The discovery also triggered a legal battle about who really owns that art. Did you have any idea that he had so many paintings in that apartment . Ekkeheart gurlitt i tell you what nobody had any idea about this. laughs really. How can you live with 1,400 paintings in. In a flat. A 90 square meter flat. I thought, maybe has a 100 or 150, but one thousand . We are. Everybody was surprised, you know. Safer Ekkeheart Gurlitt is Cornelius Gurlitts cousin, a rather flamboyant photographer now living in barcelona. Gurlitt his friends were his paintings, right. And for the last 60 years he was living with his paintings, which was his. His idea of life, you know. Safer of the 1,400. Gurlitt 1,406. laughter safer youve got it right down to the last one. Gurlitt i mean, its different if you have 1,400 picassos or you have 1,406. Safer picasso was just the beginning. Cornelius gurlitts secret hoard of art included modern masters like matisse, chagall, franz marc and otto dix. Gurlitts small world fell apart in 2010 almost by accident. Traveling back from switzerland to germany, a customs inspection brought him under suspicion and triggered a tax investigation that would be his undoing. Willi korte they had caught him on a train with 9,000 euros in cash in his pocket, which made him suspicious. Then, they tried to look him up in their files and they couldnt find him. The man didnt seem to exist. He wasnt registered, he didnt pay taxes, he didnt receive any benefits. So the man just wasnt there. Safer willi korte is a lawyer who specializes in tracking down stolen art. Korte i can imagine the conclusions they drew when they saw this old man surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of works of art. Theres something very fishy going on. And maybe hes a secret art dealer. Maybe hes involved in some smuggling activities. There must be enormous amounts of money at stake. Safer it was on february 28, 2012, that agents from the German Customs police raided a fifth floor apartment in this nondescript building in munich. Its fair to say they were blown away by what they found 1,400 works of art, some of them worth millions. They also found 80yearold Cornelius Gurlitt, a virtual hermit, who said the only friends he had in this world were his art art thought to be worth over a billion dollars. Art piled on shelves. Much of it, art the nazis declared to be degenerate. It was art taken from the walls of museums, and from jewish owned galleries and collectors. All of it acquired by Hildebrand Gurlitt, corneliuss father. He was a leading art dealer chosen by hitler to sell the art to customers abroad for hard currency. Much of it featured in a 1937 degenerate art show in which hitler wanted to show germans what he regarded as the decadence and depravity of modern avant garde art. Art historian vanessa voigt, a specialist in art of that era, was called in by police during the raid. Vanessa voigt i saw there Cornelius Gurlitt. He is an. A man who is ill. He was afraid, and he. He didnt speak. Safer cornelius sat stunned as agents went through his apartment. Did he say anything to you or to the agents from the government . Voigt no. He. He was really shocked of this situation, i think. In this apartment, there were no people for. For many, many years. I think there were perhaps an art dealer, but. But no one else. Safer did he seem to be sane . Voigt yeah, he was. Safer his cousin says, after cornelius father died, he never allowed anyone into the apartment or his crumbling house in salzburg, austria, where he kept a collection of 238 works of art of immense value, like this painting by monet. Gurlitt he gave him the whole collection of. Of these paintings as inheritance, right . For. So, to. To survive. So every time cornelius would run out of money, he sold one of these paintings. Safer almost overlooked among the cache was a small drawing of a piano player by the german romanticist carl spitzweg. It is a drawing Martha Hinrichsen has spent the better part of her life trying to track down. The nazis had confiscated it from her grandfather, henri hinrichsen, along with his entire art collection. Before the gurlitt collection was discovered, had you pretty much given up hope . Martha hinrichsen i was absolutely stunned. I wasnt expecting anything like that. Safer during the raid, agents found gurlitts fathers records from 1940, which reveal details of a sale of four works once owned by her grandfather. The sale was really theft by other means. Hinrichsen never received the money. In 1942, he was gassed at auschwitz. Hinrichsen legally, it was a sale. Morally and ethically is another question. Safer but with the seller having no choice. Hinrichsen exactly. Safer another painting gurlitt had was two riders on the beach by max liebermann, now valued at more than a million dollars. David toren, now 88 and blind, left germany on a kinder transport days before the war began. He last saw the painting at his uncles home in breslau just before his father was arrested by the nazis. Both parents were murdered at auschwitz. David toren there came two guys from the gestapo we have instructions to take you to gestapo headquarters. That day, i remember every little detail. I was sitting in the anteroom at the Winter Garden and looked at the picture, and that was the last time i saw that picture. Safer toren had been searching for any trace of his familys art collection, but all he found was a 1939 nazi inventory that mentions the liebermann painting. Toren the letter says that the action to confiscate art owned by jews has been very successful, but theres still some rich jews left. And the first example, he mentions my uncle. And the letter ends with, i want the jew, david friedman, not to dispose of any of the art objects until we come back. Safer after the war, the allies art Recovery Unit the Monuments Men found and returned millions of artworks. They also found Hildebrand Gurlitt hiding out in this bavarian castle owned by a local nazi party leader. Inside were hundreds of treasures hildebrand and his young son cornelius had hidden. Many more were apparently stashed in hiding places all over germany. The Monuments Men took some of his paintings, but they let him keep most of his collection, did they not . Korte thats an unresolved mystery, i think, up to this day. He was able to produce one story after another about how he had acquired these before the war, and for reasons that i have a hard time understanding, he got away with it. Safer among the artworks in that castle was david torens uncles painting. Hildebrant gurlitt told the Monuments Men it was a gift from his parents before the war, and that painting, like most of the others, was returned to him. Did he feel any. Did he feel any guilt working for the nazis . Gurlitt im sorry, but he had to survive. So what would you do . I mean, this is. This is just a thing. What. What would you do . Safer but was he as innocent as he claimed . Voigt most of these artworks were stolen, i think confiscated from jewish families or stolen, yeah. Safer Hannes Hartung and tido park, two lawyers who have represented Cornelius Gurlitt, say the sins of the father should not be visited on the son. Hannes hartung Hildebrand Gurlitt wasnt completely innocent. Thats. Thats for sure. And now, there are cases we will deal in a fair manner because, you know, under german law, morality has nothing to say. This. No, im sorry to tell you, but the german law, its a law which. Which has not been made for the horrible outcome of the third reich and all that happened. So now, what we are talking about now is about morality and how to deal with moral responsibility. Safer german law puts a 30 year statute of limitations on stolen property, so the works, by law, remain the property of Cornelius Gurlitt. As for the art itself, authorities wont explain why they kept the discovery a secret for nearly two years. How strong is the governments criminal case against him . Tido park they really dont have a strong case. They pretend to have a case because they have, of course, to justify the seizure of the whole collection. Safer right now, the collection is in the hands of a task force, which is examining each work for evidence of looting. Ingrid bergreenmerkel heads up the task force. Uwe hartmann is the chief researcher. He says, even as germany was collapsing in 1945, the nazis were dutifully recording the art thefts. Why did they keep these records of the evidence of their own crimes . Ingrid berggreenmerkel you mustnt throw public documents away. Thats what they learned in. Thats what they did. Uwe hartmann thats the german gruundlichkeit to. To do his duty. Berggreenmerkel yeah. They werent allowed to. Hartmann until the last day. Safer the task force is initially examining 590 works as potentially looted from jews, starting with this matisse which was looted from jewish art dealer Paul Rosenberg in 1941. Beyond the. The minutiae of legality, theres a larger question and thats the moral question. Berggreenmerkel 80 years after hitler took over, 75 years after the synagogues burned in germany yes, we know. Thats the moral obligation. And we take it seriously, very seriously. On the other side, there are the laws. Safer so youre not making judgments. Berggreenmerkel no, we are not a court. We cant. We mustnt. Safer but you could still recommend. Berggreenmerkel mr. Gurlitt told me when i talked to him, he said, whats whats been taken away. What had been robbed that was his words has to be given back. Safer Cornelius Gurlitt, who is recovering from a heart operation, says the collection is rightfully his and that his father did nothing wrong. But he says he is willing to negotiate. What a lot of people might wonder is, theres nothing to negotiate here. These paintings either belonged to german museums and should go back to those german museums, or to jews who owned collections and were forced to sell them. Park mr. Gurlitt is absolutely willing to find fair solutions. But what we need, of course, is clear evidence. Because we have some letters addressed to mr. Gurlitt saying, oh, look, my grandma had a specific painting 70 years ago in her living room. No evidence, nothing. Safer as for Martha Hinrichsen, she has filed a claim with the task force, but has little confidence shell ever see her grandfathers drawing. Hinrichsen quite honestly, i dont believe in my lifetime, because i think this is going to be a long, long battle. Safer Cornelius Gurlitt is close to an agreement with the German Authorities. He has agreed to give up paintings proven to be stolen, and will retain the rest. Why did hitler fear modern art . Morley safer explains. Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by viagra. 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