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translated he did accept what i said. Dickerson american officials did not challenge that claim. So what consequences do the russians face . We asked u. N. Ambassador nikki haley. I think theyre youre going to have to ask the president. Dickerson not on this trip. The president returnedded to white house without holding the end of summit News Conference president s usually hold. He did tweet, though, i strongly pressed Vladimir Putin twice about interfering in our elections. He vehemently denied it. It is time to move forward with working constructively with russia. President trump also met with president xi of china to do more with north Koreas Nuclear program after the First Successful test of a missile that could travel as far as am bers fly over the north korea peninsula as a show of force. What are the options . Well talk with chairman of the Armed Services Committee John mccain. Back at home, as predicted, republican senators got an earful over health care from their constituents. You come up with terms. Its a lie. Dickerson texas republican senator the ended the ted cruz thinks he has a solution. Well talk to him. Then on the oneyear anniversary of the Dallas Police massacre, former chief david brown joins us to talk about his back on race and policing. Well also have plenty of political analysis. Its all ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nationen im Dick Van Dyke show. Theres a lot of news to cover. We begin with the u. S. Ambassador to the u. N. , nikki haley. When we spoke with her yesterday, we asked her if President Trump accepted russian president putins assurances that he didnt meddle in the u. S. Election. I think we need to be realistic about what happened. You had two men walk into the room. You had two men who knew the exact same thing, which is russia did meddle in the elections. I think President Trump wanted to make sure that president putin was aware that he was acknowledging it, that he knew it. I think president putin did what we all expected him to do, which was deny it. And i think that is what it is. President trump still knows that they meddled. President putin knows that they meddled, but hes never going to admitted to it and thats all that happened. Dickerson given that the president knows the russians meddled, what consequences will they face as a result of that action . I think youre going to have to ask the president. Thats one of the first things, confronting them, letting them know we know this happened, letting them know it cant happen again. I know they had quite a bit of cyber conversation in terms of cyber meddling and cyber abuse. They talked quite a bit on the cyber attack risk. And so i think well see what happens there. Keep in mind, yesterdays meeting was all about talk. But at the end of the day, this is all going to be about actions. We now have to see where we go from here. Dickerson thats right. On that question of action, the president has criticized his predecessor, president obama, saying he choked when he found out the russians were interfering in the election, so is it your expectation that President Trump will take stronger action against the russians for interfering than president obama took . I think theyre going to wait and see how all of the investigation plays out there. s not anybody that thinks that russian didnt meddle in the elections. I think were all very clear on that. I think well see what congress does. And i think president will continue to work on this going forward, but, yes, i dont think this is over. I think what this was was one leader telling another leader, look, we know you did it, dont do it again. So nobody should have the misimpression that the russians are going to go scottfree on this. Theyre going to pay a price, its just a question of what that price is . I think President Trump was letting him no, look, we know you did it. This is being talked about. I think president putin had to deny it, even though he knows that we know, and i this i well see where it goes from here. When you put President Trump in the room with any leader, we can kind of cut through all the diplomatic tape. I think thats exactly what happened. Dickerson during the campaign and during secretary of state tillersons confirmation hearing, there was this idea that if russians are shown weakness on anything, that then that is an inveightation for them to act and to take advantage, and so on this question of what some people in the Intelligence Community say is a political equivalent of 9 11, what is the message in terms of the consequences to the russians for that action . Well, i think the message is, look, were not going to have you interfere, not just with our election, but with any part of how the United States functions. I think thats not just us. Russia has been meddling in multiple ways in multiple countries. And so i think we dont just stand up for the United States and say it doesnt happen here. I think we stand up and say it shouldnt happen anywhere. And we have to keep that voice strong, and we have to keep that moving forward, because the one thing we never want is for any country to think that they can cause chaos in our elections. Dickerson but it seems like its just words at the moment. Will there be any action . Everybody keeps saying, what next, what next. First they wanted him to bring it up in from the of president putin, and he did. Things are happening, and those things are taking place, but, yes, this is going to have the play out. This isnt something small. This is a big deal. I think you saw a big step when he brought it up to president putin first thing to say, look, we know you did. This i think we now see where it goes from there. I think first thing was facetoface acknowledging the fact that we knew that they meddled and facetoface looking them in the eye and saying, dont do it again. Dickerson let me ask you about north korea. You said this week that pyongyang was quickly closing off the possibility of a diplomatic solution. What does that mean exactly . How many tests does it take and how many more times do we have to tell them no escalation . The fact that they launched an icbm test is hugely dangerous, not just for us, but for so many of our friends in the world. And weve got to put a stop to it. So what we wanted to tell north korea is, look, we have told you, were in the looking for ream change, we are not looking for war, but dont give us a reason to get involved in any of this, and so were going to go ahead and push for a strong resolution against north korea. I think it will be very telling based on how other countries respond whether they want to hold kim jonguns hand through this process or whether they want to be on the side of so many countries who know that this is a dangerous person, with the access to an icbm. We dont want to that happen. Were going to push hard, not justen north korea. Were going to push hard on other countries who are not abiding by the resolutions and not abiding by the sanctionings against north korea, and were going to push hard against china, because 90 of the trade that happens with north korea is from china. And so while they have been helpful, they need to do more. Dickerson has china let america down in their work on north korea that the president put trust in them on . I think they actually followed through on the things we asked them to in terms of whether it was coal, whether it was talking to them, whether it was dialogue, whether it was letting them know and condemning, they did that part. Now we have to say, okay, clearly thats not enough. With this security counce resolution that were negotiating now, we dont expect a watereddown resolution. It will be very telling as to whether china works with us, which were hoping they, will and well know in the next couple days whether thats going to be the case, whether russia is going to stand with north korea and, you know, just oppose us for the sake of opposing us, or whether everybody is going to say once and for all to north korea, stop, this is reckless, its irresponsible, and were not going the take it anymore. Dickerson you said about china, or you seemed to be referring to china when you talked about country that do business with north korea. There are countries that are allowing, even encouraging trade with north korea. Such countries would also like to continue their trade arrangements with the United States. Thats not going to happen. Dickerson are you saying that china is going to lose trade with the United States if they dont do more on north korea . Im saying that ammunition comes with multiple options, and its not always military. Ammunition also comes with sanctions. Ammunition also comes with trade. We this a lot of trade with a lot of countries. If there is a country that we dont think is looking out for our security and looking out for our confidence in that, then, yes, that is one of the ammunition options we have on the table. Dickerson you mentioned countries in general, though, but china is obviously 90 of the trade with north korea, so this is really a direct threat to china about their trade with the United States . This is encouraging and motivating china to say, look, we appreciate what youve done. This is a whole new level. This is an icbm test. We need you to not only do more, but we need the pressure on north korea, and china has the ability to do it. They know that. We know, that, and we need to see more action accordingly. I think the resolution will be a big test on that. Dickerson ambassador nikki haley, thanks for being with us. Thanks, john. Appreciate it. Dickerson we turn now to the senator from arizona john mccain. Senator, i want to jump all every the world here. Theres a lot of ground to cover. We dont have a globe, but lets start with russia. The u. N. Ambassador said in terms of consequences for russian interference in the election, she suggested consequences could come, but the president is tweeting and he said the following, now it is time to move forward in working constructively with the russians. That seems to suggest no consequences. Well, so far the interesting aspect of 24 whole issue is we know that russia tried to change the outcome of our election last november, and they did not succeed, but there was really sis sophisticated attempts to do so. So far they have not paid a single price for that. We passed a very good bill through the senate on sanctions, and we also have other proposals out there, but as far as a specific penalty for what they did, there has been no penalty. So if you were Vladimir Putin, who ive gotten to know over the years, youre sitting there and you got away with literally trying to change the outcome, not just of our election, the French Election tried to overthrow the government of montenegro, a beautiful little country, i recommend it, and theres been no penalty whatsoever. Time to move forward. Yes, its time to move forward, but there has to be a price to pay. Dickerson why does there have to be a price . Otherwise he will be encouraged to do so again. Obviously. I mean, does anyone doubt his intentions of undermining american supremacy, undermining democracy, the principles of freedom and all of the things that have epitomized europe and the world since the end of world war ii. For the last 70 years, weve had a new world order, and this is now under severe stress, not only in europe, but all over the world. Dickerson the president announced and the white house says this is a significant achievement of their meeting. The president again tweeting this morning said, putin and i discussed forming and impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that Election Hacking and many other things will be guarded. I am sure that Vladimir Putin could be of enormous assistance in that effort since hes doing the hacking. I think its. Look, i support this president. I did not support him, okay. But he is the president. I each tried to work with him wherever i can. Armed services, we passed a Defense Authorization bill, which maybe well get to later on, that is bipartisan, comprehensive, 270 through the committee, in the normal process. We considered over 200 amendments. So instead we decide on this path where were going the ram through a republican proposal that requires 60 votes for a number of important provisions of it. I dont understand that. What do we need to do now . Go back to the beginning. Introduce a bill, move it through, brick it to the floor, vote on it, thats the normal process. And if you shut out the adversary or the opposite party, youll end up the same way obamacare did when they rammed it through with 60 votes, only guess what, we dont have 60 votes, john. Dickerson so what happens now on Health Care Next Week . I think. My view is its probably going to be dead, but i am. I have been wrong. I thought id be president of the United States. But i think. I fear that its going the fail, and then we should convenient a republican conference and say, what are we going to do . Introduce a bill, say to the democrats, heres a by. It doesnt mean they control it. It means they can have consideration. Even when they lose, then theyre part of the process. Thats what democracy is supposed to be all about. Dickerson let me go back overseas. I want to ask you about syria. Lets listen to something that secretary of state tillerson said about the russians who have interests in syria and the United States. Lets listen to the secretary. By in large our objectives are exactly the same. How we get there, we each have a view. Maybe theyve got the right approach and we have the wrong approach. Dickerson do the russians have the right approach . You cant make that up. You cant make that up. These are the same people that use precisiongraded weapons to strike hospitals in aleppo where sick and wounded people are. This is just. You know, i am preparing myself mentally to be on this show. I said, john, youre not going to get upset, youre not going to get emotional, but i have met white hat. I know what the slaughter has been like. I know that the russians knew that Bashar Al Assad was going to use chemical weapons. And to say that maybe weve got the wrong approach, look, i agonized over voting for or against tillerson for secretary of state, not that i didnt admire his success and all the great things hes done, but the things that he said in the past, he has divorced a fundamental of american democracy, the reason why we are the shining city on the hill, as Ronald Reagan used to say, is because they look up to us because of our principles and our beliefs and our advocacy of freedom, thats what america is supposed to be all about, not whether theyre right and were wrong. We know who is right and who is wrong here. Dickerson you regret that vote for tillerson . Sometimes i do, but im still torn by the fact that the American People chose this president , and he ought to be able to have his team. When barack obama won in 2008, in 2009 i voted for his team. Because i think that the American People wanted him to have his team. But dont think i wasnt worried about it. Really worried. Dickerson finally, you were just recently in afghanistan. Whats your sense of the picture there . We have no strategy, and we are losing. When youre not winning, youre losing. And the ana, the Afghan National army, is taking unacceptable losses. And we are going to have a new strategy. You know, theyre coming to us and asking for additional funds for additional people and additional missions. We wont do that unless they give us a strategy. Ive been asking general mattis, who im a great admirer of, general mcmaster of, where is the strategy . Where is the strategy . Then we can have a policy. Then we authorize funding and troops and tanks and guns. And, you know, we all know what the problem is. Its in the white house. Theyve got to get their act together, announce a strategy, that has to be done by the president , by the way, and tell the American People that you have to win there. Dont forget 9 11. Heres what we need to do to get there. Unfortunately theres so much disarray within the white house, but i am confident the United States of america, the best and strongest nation on earth, can do it. Dickerson all right, senator mccain, thanks so much for being with us. Dickerson thanks, john. Dickerson and well be back in another minute with another key republican, texas senator ted cruz. burke at farmers, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a coupe soup. [woman] so beautiful. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you. [burke] and we covered it, november sixth, twothousandnine. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum dickerson we want the turn now and again to health care. Ted cruz has held several town halls over the break. Senator, youre working on a solution, welcome, but it looks like the bill is in trouble in the senate. John, good morning. Its good to be with you. No doubt this has been a rocky path to getting, there but i continue to believe we can get this done. I think there are a lot of senators who have been working in good faith, working collaboratively for a long time. Six months ago Lamar Alexander and i breakthrough together a working group that ran the full spectrum of the republican conference. And i think were making real progress. In my view failure is not an option. This has been a central promise voters have made for several years. The way the deliver what i have been urging more than anything else, the way to get this done, lets focus on lowering premiums. The biggest reason so many millions of people are unhappy with obamacare, is that its made their premiums skyrocket. If we can fix that with common sense solutions, give people more choice, more option, more feedz and lower premium, that will be a win. Thats how we unify our country. Dickerson but heres the challeng coming from senator grassley, your own party has worked on the health care issue. On your plan he said this, and lets listen to the audio. I want to get your reaction. Sure. There is a real feeling that that is trying the get around preexisting conditions. If it subterfuge and it has the effect of annihilating the preexisting condition requirement that we have in the existing bill, then obviously i would object to that. Dickerson your response, senator. Well, Chuck Grassley is a i think its important for republicans not to be deceived by the attacks that are coming out of Chuck Schumer and the democrats. Chuck schumer this week blasted the Consumer Freedom amendment, which is i think. Dickerson your amendment. Yes. Because Chuck Schumer doesnt want us to pass this. Chuck schumer wants this to fail. So no republican should be deceived when Chuck Schumer. Chuck schumer made the argument, he called it a hoax. Look, ill note that Chuck Schumer and obama know a lot about health care hoaxes. Obamacare was sold to the American People on a whole series of lies, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. So what we need to focus on is how do we actually deliver results for the people hurting under obamacare. But this is senator Chuck Grassley. Hes not first run for him. He knows this issue, and hes a republican. So hes not. Well, but we need to focus on the actual facts. How does the Consumer Freedom amendment operate . It operates as follows its designed to be a compromise that can bring together conservatives and moderates, that can unify the conference some what it says is, you the consumer, you the patient, should have the freedom to choose the insurance you want. It shouldnt be the government ding tainting what insurance you can buy, so if an Insurance Companies offers at least one plan thats consistent with the title 1 mandate, so it meets all of the mandates that you got to provide right now. Dickerson that are part of obamacare, including preexisting conditions. All of that is there. If they offer one plan, they can also offer additional plans that consumers may desire. That means youre not taking away anything that is there right now. All of the protection for preexisting conditions are, there but what you are adding is additional options. All the people who cant afford insurance suddenly will have options of lower premiums where theyre be able to ad for coverage they dont have now. Senator grassleys critique, one obamacare plan you allow will attract all the sick people. The premiums there will skyrocket, so you may be offering people preexisting conditions in that single plan some the premiums will be so out of sight that in effect youre not really offering that. Again, that argument is inaccurate. Yes, it is true that some Young Healthy people may choose to purchase freedom plans at much, much lower. Dickerson theyd be crazy not. To. So theyd get much, much lower premiums. Millions of young people are better off. They get hammered by obamacare. Millions of young people suddenly get lower presume use. Lets focus on the relatively small pool of preexisting condition, significant illnesses on the individual market. Youre dealing with roughly four to five Million People out of a country of 330 million. Dickerson but the sickest among us. In the individual market, yes. In every other market, in the group market, preexisting conditions are there. Everywhere else the preexisting conditions are. There the individual market is a relatively small slice and this is abeven smaller slice. Now, what i would say, and in congress, there is wide agreement that were going to provide significant assistance to people with serious medical conditions and preexisting conditions. The question is how do we do it. What obamacare does is it takes millions of young people, millions of people just starting out their ca rar and it jax up their premium, it doubles or triples their premiums and uses that money not for those people but to cross subsidize those who are sick. I think thats unfair. If you have a 28yearold woman who just started her career, shes making 30,000 a year, trying make ends meet, i think doubling her premiums is wrong and its unfair. My view is we ought to do it with direct tax pay funds. Lets use Warren Buffetts taxes and not that of a 28yearold woman starting her career. And let me point out, the senate bill has billions in taxpayer subsidies and stabilization funds so the premiums for preexisting conditions stay stabilized and well. Dickerson okay. It will be worked out this week. Senator, thank you so much for being with us. Well be back in a moment. Comfortable you are in it. So find a venus smooth that contours to curves, flexes for comfort, and has a disposable made for you. Skin smoothing venus razors. Excuse me, are you aware of whats happening right now . Were facing 20 billion security events every day. Ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks. Actually, we just handled all the priority threats. You did that . We did that. Really. We analyzed millions of articles and reports. We can identify threats 50 faster. You can do that . We can do that. Then do that. Can we do that . We can do that. Dickerson you can keep up with news of the week by subscribing to the face the nation diary podcast. It recaps the week and sets the stage for our sunday broadcast. Find us on itunes our your favorite podcast platform. Dickerson well be right back with a lot more face the nation, including an interview with former Dallas Police chief david brown. Stay with us. Dickerson welcome back to face fis. Im john dickerson. Its been a year since 12 Dallas Police officers were shot by a sniper. Five of them fatally. At demonstrations against the use of Excessive Force by Police Officers. Tributes with were held around the country friday in honor of those lost. Were honored to welcome former Dallas Police chief david brown. Hes written a book, its called called to rise. Welcome, chief. I want the start with a year ago what you said after the shooting. You said that society is asking the police to do too much is. That still true . Its still true. When one third of our prison population suffer from Mental Health issues and basically the prisons arent meant to be Mental Health providers, and that translates to cops having to deal with people who are mentally ill, who we dont have the training for that, and we just kind of by default take on that task. Dickerson have any Police Answered this call that you put out a year ago or legislators . Have they heard you . Are there places where prison are getting the load lifted off of them because people recognize the point that youve made . John, it seems that every time we see some progress take a step, theres two steps we take back with another viral video or a Court Proceeding that didnt end in the way i think the public expected. And so we stay divided in this conversation about the role of policing in the 21st century, particularly in communities of color. Dickerson your book is such an insight into life as what a Police Officer is like. I want to get to that in a minute, but since you raised the viral videos or the news events, what do you say to those in the community, communities like the one you grew up, where people see these Court Rulings and say, well, the policeman seems to get off free from what of these incendiary events. Whats your response to that . That officers are willing to sacrifice their lives for these communities. They give their all, particularly white cops. Still in many department, its majority white officers on the police force, and they go into these communities and they risk their. Lice. Just this week we had a bad time for Police Officers in new york and san antonio being killed in the line of duty by ambush, by suspects. So theres no question that the cop on the beat is sacrificing and committing their life to protect all of us, including communities of color. At the same time, i dont think there a contradiction in saying communities of color do get treated differently by those few officers that dont deserve to be in the profession. And there is a small number, but for these communities, this becomes their world view. Dickerson one story you tell in your book about the mind seth of what its like to be a Police Officer, you see threats where regular civilians dont. I love the story you told about your mentor you still had lunch, with a veteran, a retired Police Officer, and why he chooses to sit the way he does. Right. So cops can be perceived as very paranoid about whats happening, even in a restaurant at dinner with a friend, we want to sit where were facing the. And can see who is coming in. Even though retired cops, 80yearold gentleman i have lunch work hes always the first inside so he can have that perfect seat. Hes been retired long. Its a pair nowback almost a hyper vigilance thats required to make it through your shift to, stay alive as a cop. Thats the mindset people need to learn that police have to do their job. How do police learn about the mindset of the community . Whats the solution there in terms of getting to walk in the other persons shoes . Im a big proponent in my book i describe how i transformed to a communityoriented policing type of police chief. Because without the community, we cannot be successful in the best ways to protect it because the communitys priority should be the Police Departments priorities. Were Public Servants and we should be serving these communitiesment. Dickerson the operation kitchen sink, you consider sceptical about Community Policing. Very much. So i went to a Community Policing assign. I was hired on in 1983. This was the war on drugs, the height of the mass incarceration. So i came into the profession believing that lets put them all in jail and let god sort them out. And what i understood later as i matured in the profession is there is only so much jail bed space and mass incarceration is not, first, affordable, nor is it smart, because you have to make a distinction between people who are mentally ill, drug adingted, so we can have space in jail for people who are truly violent and will hurt all of us and need to be in jail. But if you mix them all in the same bag, you dont have enough jaci space. Its not practical to do that. Dickerson the only way to figure that all out is if youre there day to day having these relationships where you see people where they live before there is a crisis. Right. I try to say things to cops and to citizens like this. Policing is the peoples business. Its not ten form business. If you take away people from this formula, you use a the very nature of what policing is supposed to be about. Were supposed to protect people. Dickerson the number of shootings of Police Officers is up. Whats your sense of whats happening right now in the relationship that you write also in your book about how both after columbine and you own experience, i think it was arizona street. Yes. Dickerson where the fire power you were facing was of a different kind. I think weve taken two steps back to when it comes to the safety of our Police Officers. They dont feel supported. I am also encouraged that there are number of citizens who openly express that their support Police Officers. And thats not giving the cops who dont deserve to be in the job a pass. We still need to be held accountable, but the vast majority of cops do the job the right way and they deserve our support. Dickerson there was a pew study at the beginning of the year that found that 72 of police interviewed said their colleagues are now more hesitant because of that, what you described. Before we go, i want you to tell one last story, which is about an experience you had that changed your life when you were young about a guy named mike. Tell people that story. Yes, mike shillenburg, in sixth grade i was parted of busing, desegregation. I was bussed to an allwhite school. Mike shillenburg was a white kid. You can tell im black. We were both 11 years old. He invited me home for dinner because he saw the difficulties i was having in school. That transformed my world view of race because mikes mom brought out two pot pies and we sat and had dinner and became best friends, were friends today. God knows what i would be thinking about people if mike hadnt invited me home for dinner. So again, my takeaway is see you at dinner. Lets not be so divided. Dickerson chief brown, thank you so much for being with us. Dickerson thanks, john. And well be right back with our political panel. Dickerson were joined now by our political panel. Margaret brennan is cbs News White House and Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent. David ignatiusco is a columnistt the washington post, Candy Crowley Michael Crowley is a political Senior Affairs correspondent, and David Nakamura is with the washington post. Margaret, welcome back from your trip. What was the administrations view of this meeting with russian president putin . Well, the administration believes now that theyve checked the box. Theyve handled the issue of russian hacking by speaking directly to Vladimir Putin. The only account of that meeting was described to us by secretary of state Rex Tillerson. Hes the only other Administration Official in that very small meeting, and as described by russian officials, in their oncamera press conferences, both from their foreign minister and Vladimir Putin, they said President Trump accepted their denials. And agreed to move forward. Secretary tillerson says, we agreed to move forward. The majority of the meeting went on, he says to, focus in on this first test of u. S. Russian cooperation in syria. And this limited ceasefire in the south of the country. That went into effect today. Dickerson well get back the syria in a moment. But nakamura knack, you wrote about other president s who have met with president putin. Continue to put this meeting in the context of history. Well, you know, i think whats interesting is putin has sort of really soured on u. S. Relations. We know that under president obama at the end of george w. Bush they tried to get off the a better start, but he was very frustrated, and he was known to begin meetings with a litany of complaints about u. S. Actions undermining russian cooperation. I think there was a little different element here at play, where he sort of recognized challenges that donald trump is under politically, and to some degree its interesting, we dont know who set up the terms of this meeting, because so few participants and the idea that beth sides came out spinning sort of proactively on their behalf, but what we do know is that president putin has gone on camera and had, as margaret said, a press conference, and foreign minister lavrov has, as well, the u. S. Side has not done that, some on the record, some not, disputing some of putins characteristics of this meeting. But this morning you have donald trump saying the russian leader denied the meddling and i donald trump have had what i had to say. 123450 nor mccain if you move on and the russians face no consequence, theyll be emboldened. Thats certainly the way president ial candidate donald trump talked about it and the way secretary of state Rex Tillerson talk about it. What do you make of the state of play with respect to this interference . Sanctions against russia are still in place contrary the what senator senator mccain said. President obama did impose additional sanctions for the hacking on september 29th, expelling russian diplomats, closing two of their compounds. Those are not, so far as we know, being returned. Theyre still in play. So there are no additional sanctions for now, but none were taken off as a result of this meeting. To see the u. S. In the form of trump so isolated from our political ally, the g19 versus the u. S. On Climate Change and then this extraordinary rapprochement with Vladimir Putin, accused we our Intelligence Agency of attacking our elections and the president basically saying its time the move on, we wont move on until Robert Mueller has delivered his investigative report. Thats whats going to resolve this, along with a conditional hearing. Dickerson go ahead, margaret. To your point, one of the best sort of contrasts to this would be to look at the french president when he melt with Vladimir Putin, who, yes, they had a meeting, lets talk about working together, but in public came out and directly said, i dont like where they are on human right, persecution of gay, issues of Election Hacking, et cetera. And he stood up to at least say, here are our values that we dont like you undermining. Secretary tillerson on the other hand described this meeting and chemistry between President Trump and putin as positive, they couldnt stop talking, the first lady had to barge into the room to say, can you wrap up the meeting and then they kept talking for another hour. The optics are troubleing to our european allies are troubling because of that degree of positive creme industry. Michael crowley is tweeting about this Cyber Security unit. Its getting some tough reviews. Senator rubio tweeted, partnering with putin on a Cyber Security unit is akin to partnering with assad, the leader of syria, on a chemical weapons unit. One thought i had would be Maritime Security cooperation arrangement with the japanese after pearl harbor. They came in, the russians hit us really hard, its not clear whether they were able to influence the outcome of the election. We know that votes were. There with was the sweght of the vote. Votes were not changed, but i think despite trumps repeated assertions, you cant say for sure that the russian propaganda that made its way into the u. S. And the theft and release of embarrassing emails from the dnc and the Hillary Clinton campaign, you cant say they played no role. So i think that its very troubling for a lot of people in washington, in the congress, possibly even in trumps own administration to see him. His response to this is we need to working together and, john, i would add that in that press conference, that secretary of state Rex Tillerson had when he talked about, this he said that, as we move forward and we have this cooperative relationship, both sides are agreeing not to interfere in each others affairs, which i think is a real concession to Vladimir Putin, who feels that Hillary Clinton helped to mastermind popular protests against him in 2011, and indeed many people believe that created a grudge where putin was out to get revenge against hillary. There is basically no evidence that the state department or the u. S. Government whipped up those protests that. Was genuine popular dissengts. This is a kremlin myth that tillerson and trump may have implicitly endorsed. Dickerson david, one thing that seems confusing in terms of the president s posture is on the one hand he blames president obama for having choked, having not held the russians to account. But now, the president would like the move on and is forming a cyber unit in cooperation with the russians. He blamed president obama on this trip for not doing enough. He wants to have it both ways. Thats not going to satisfy people on capitol hill or others in the media who really want to see not only Robert Muellers investigation play out, but also whether the president will take accountability and follow up on some of the sort of additional sanctions that some in congress are pushing. Dickerson david ignatius, the syria agreement emerged. I want the get you take on this, too. So that is one of the things that came out of this meeting, but also we have what the secretary of state says about syria, which is, again, he said by in large our objectives, hes talking about the russians here, are exactly the same. How we get there, we each have a view, maybe they, the russian, have got the right approach, and we have the wrong approach. I have no idea what tillerson meant by that. Its a strange comment, senator mccain was right, the russians have been subject to a barbaric campaign of assad. Tillerson also said the u. S. Expects, it was implied that trust and russia expect, that president assad will leaves as part of a transition and that the assad family will leave power as this transition moves forward. Just been in syria two weeks ago, and whats of course si that there is movement with the u. S. And russia working together toward deacon politics, deescalation and identification, different parts of the country where th can be truth in effect, people stand down, thats real and its been happening for weeks, and the reason that i have some confidence that this may have legs is because theyve been testing it, you know, one that you could for the last three weeks, the agreement on the southwest, was reached about a week ago. Theyve been watching to see when it holds. When it held, theyve decided to announce it. Dickerson whats your take . And negotiated by american diplomats, not necessarily in that room, between the two heads of state, but what i think is interesting here is its been presented as a test, but this is also a test of russia in terms of can they actually influence and control assad and the Iranian Forces that are on the ground, because wenr dont negotiate as the United States government with either the assad regime or with iran. So paper agreements are nice. Lets see what happens. But as i was just saying, this has been tested. In some ways this could be a lifeline for the u. S. Backed opposition in that particular part of the country. It could also be something that allows them to hold on to the government structures that theyve started to publish there. That might be a blueprint for the future, but it is so heavily caveated with can anyone actually enforce this. Well have the see what happens. Dickerson well pause. There well be back in a moment with our panel on north korea and health care. 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A lot of this policy has been laid out through his tweets, and jump will treat something, and its not clear that these key players in his administration understand exactly what he means. For instance, recently, and hes done it now a few timeious trump tweeted that the chinese had tried, he has exerted pressure on president xi to do more to crack down on north korea economically, and now has said while the chinese tried and didnt work too, bad, were going to have to do something else. Im not sure that plan b is fully spelled out. It is clear that there are options for imposing more sanctions on chinese entities that do business with north korea, but this is. Maybe that would have some effect, john, but this is something that the United States has been thinking about and talking about for many years, and the question is what price will you pay in your direct relationship with china to try to solve the north korean problems. And that relationship with china encompasses so many things economics obviously, stability, military issues, cyber issues, remember, russia is not the only country messing around with computers. So there are not great options here. I guess i would say the last thing is when it comes to this question of what do you do with china, i think there is this sense in the United States if only we can convince the chinese that its in their interests to do what we want them to do, then we can make some progress. Theyll change their policy, and i just think the chinese have a sense of their own interests. You cant just persuade them to do something. It will require probably some kind of tough, economic measures that its going to. Theyre going to exact a real cost. I dont know whether. Dickerson a couple things in play, though. The administration did follow up through the chinese bank. People in the Bush Administration i talked to suggested that is a significant step, a first step, maybe more. They dont know how quickly that will take effect. You also saw on the sideline, it was apparently overlooked in germany, but President Trump had this try lateral meeting with president moonco and Prime Minister abe of korea and japan. President obama took a lot of effort to get that dialogue started. These are two allies that we think are allies but they themselves are not often on the same page. You have a korean president who came in running on more engagement with pyongyang. You have the japanese Prime Minister saying, no, we cant do that, we need tougher actions first. So to get them in the room talking on this, potentially on the same page is a start. Dickerson and china not in that meeting. Not in that meeting. Dickerson david, what do you make of the u. N. Ambassador saying countries that this trade with north korea, which means china essentially, you know, their agreements with the United States are not going to continue . Is that right, a trade war over this . Well, she was mildly threatening economic action. To me the take away of the last two days on north korea is that the Trump Administration has doubled down on his strategy of working with and through china to try to restrain north korea. A week ago we were all talking about military options and general brooks and south korea had us on the edge of war it seemed. After the summit, weve returned to this idea that china is our partner, the president has said very nice things about china. The atmospherics of that meeting were very, very warm. I thought that was the heart of what Ambassador Haley had to say. She added a little bit that we may stick it to them, but i think where theyre really going is to reanimate that diplomacy. And a lot of that is getting some smaller countries withni Guest Worker Program with north korea is to cut off any kind of financial lifeline. But the biggest checks come from beijing, which is why theyre so relevant. Secretary tillerson said that proposal, freeze for freeze, freezing north Koreas Nuclear program in exchange for the u. S. Doing things like stopping the joint military exercises we have with south korea are something the u. S. Administration is not receptive to at this time. They think it can be a freeze, it has to be a rollback, in other words, north korea needs to offer more before diplomacy gets under way. But we dont have the leverage the force them to rollback unless we start dropping bombs essentially. And thats just a terrible. The options here are good, ugly and horrible. And again, i think weve heard people talk for years about were going to convince the chinese to change their minds and well talk the north koreans into this. You cant do this unless youre willing to blow things up. A lot of things. People start dying, the Global Economy gets rocked. Dickerson david ignatius, you were in mosul recently. There are now reports mosul has fallen from isis. Whats your assessment . I want to be clear. I was in syria and near raqqa, which is also leaning toward falling. John, the strongest emotional response i had was to see the faces of people who have been living under isis for three years as a coming out of a prison into the lights. And they cant quite believe it. Theres a little bit of. You can see how painful this has been. The u. S. Has found allies that have helped clear this territory finally. Americans who died in syria and iraq in the pass three years as isis has been chased out of the major centers. Dickerson thats got to be it. It. Thanks to all of you. Well be back in a moment. And we covered it, july first, twentyfifteen. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum dickerson thats it for us today. Thanks for watching. Until next week, for face the nation, im john dickerson. The following is a paid program. 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