Transcripts For KPIX Mosaic 20130804

Lets start by giving our viewers an idea of what the latin mass is and a little of the history. For most of the history of the church, the mass was celebrated in latin after the early centuries was and then greek. And what latin became the dominant language of the western world, then the scriptures were transcribed into lasttown and that was used exclusively till 1964 in the language of the mass. And then the right, of course, developed over the many centuries beginning with the last supper, of course. And then the church became recognized and the church developed more and more and it developed into what we know as the latin right. At the time of the it put together the definitive form of latin mass. And that was used to 1950s and then that the second vatican counsel. And there was a reform called for by the council that was imply implemented. Some of us remember the changes. Some you remember the changes. It was after 1964. I remember it as a child myself going with my parents to the mass. We went all together. There were five of us. I remember being in the catholic school. We had the latin high mass every day and the chance i went from being alter boy. I have a found rec recollection of it. And then things ban to change in the mid1960s and almost overnight it became almost impossible to find a mass in latin, let alone the old form. And theres a distinct made. You could use the new forms in latin that is also permitted. Many recall that the new translations were from the latin. But then the form, the way the mass is celebrated was also changed in 1970. So many preferred and looked back to the older way and that was also in latin. And this concern was expressed many years after the council. And during Pope Benedict Pope John Paul ii if they were still interested in it and what the feeling was. And there was an opening to redeserve and an opening to bring back the mass the way it was before and some went and left the church in. And many groups asked the holy father to receive them into the church and they wanted to keep the traditional lit are reby and that was strict. And pope 16 gave a letter giving great access and greater freedom to do the traditional right. And that is where we are now. And in the next segment well go into how that has been translate into reality in not only our archdiocese but the whole world. Yes. And well define some of the latin terms when we get back. Stay with us, please. Good morning. And welcome back to mosaic. Im vicky evans from the office of Public Policy and public concerns at the San Francisco arch day sees. And our father is father mark mazza we now have the traditional latin mask celebrated every week. Every week on holy day and soon well be having it every day. That is wonderful. We have several parishes over the archdiocese where we have the traditional latin mass. And then in more rin county and we have one at the Immaculate Conception . Yes. We have a main line mass at 11 00 a. M. And the archbishop wanted it at that time. We started it under the encouragement and the desire of the archbishop and asked me if we would start the a tradition the traditional latin mass and of course i said yes. The archbishop was searching for a church that is centrally locates, which you are and the church would be suitable physically for the latin mass and also he needed a pastor that was willing to learn it that way. At first i thought sure, well have it. Who is going to do it . I thought he had someone younger and more expert to it he said youre going to do it. I said, oh. How did you feel about that . Having remembered it, i knew it required a lot of work to learn the details. Its fairly complicated compared to the new rights. And theres usually just a right way of doing it. And easily theres the wrong way of doing it and everything spelled out. And probably the reason for that is the church didnt want to have with the celebration of the mass. And it came with details and he insisted that those be done precisely. So theres a certain precision in the traditional forever and you have to learn how to do that. And there are a lot of differences. But could you mention some of the main ones . The people would notice that the priest is turned in the eastern position. We dont like to say he has his back on the congregation. Its symbolic like you have in the eastern rights. The priest is facing god and he heads the congregation in offering the sacrifice of the mass to god to our Lord Jesus Christ. Hes an instrument of the lord. That is what we believe about any mass, in fact. But this is brought out in a symbolic way in the traditional position. And would you notice that immediately. And would you notice that many of the prayers are said silently by the priest that is more than the current mass. And it gives people more time to meditate or to follow along with the prayers in the book. And you notice there are prayers at the food of the alter of that been removed. Now we have one in the traditional mass. One done by the priest and one by the server in the name of the congregation and you have the psalm 42. But the basic structure is like the current form of the mass. You have the scripture readings. Theres only one reading for the first part and in the current mass theres two and theres one read in the traditional form and then theres the gospel and these are proclaimed in latin. The book is moved to the left side and the gospel is proclaimed. And on sundays, the scriptures are reread in english and then theres the preaching. Let me interrupt you for one minute. I think were going to show your blog what is on this blog, father . All sorts of good information about the traditional mass in the archdiocese. Were hoping to have a society to promote the traditional latin mass society. He and i write letters to put on there. We invite our viewers to take a look at the blog and well talk more about it after this break. Heres a chance to put your idea into practice to get organized and to support it and encourage it and help people discover this beautiful gift that we have in the faith in the church. I took that in high school. Having just started to say the mass in latin since may 26th which was your first mass. I do notice many of the beautiful latin words that are in the scriptures. And it helps to open up your idea of things, what it is all about, how they originally translated the scripture. They had the first translation. Its interesting. So there are many things on the blog. Thats where you should go if you want the latest information about it. Speaking of your first mass on may 26th, that was the feast of the pressure body and blood. It was the feast of the holy trinity that is why we have the block, only trinity, one god. We have that because that was our first mass and that is our foundation date of the latin mass society. And the latin mass doesnt need any foundation. This is a people like mine and we were trying to get to know each other better. Ive gotten to know wonderful, wonderful people through the latin mass. Did you have any mentors when you were starting to learn how to put this together . A young priest of the archdiocese and he was watching me how to say the latin mass. And we have a joke ask a young priest because theyre very enthusiastic about it. The from freethese are wonderful people. And i must say that in the short time that weve had it, ive shared in many of their joys as a pastor and some of their sore rows their their sorrows too. You had a wonderful turnout your first mass . Yes, about 280. People came to offer us support. Many of the other traditionist came to stand together for the first mass. That is wonderful. And i understand you had signups in the church hall afterwards . Yes. We had a lot of signups for the choir. We started a choir. We have a sal talented organist. And they are forming a group and theyre gearing up for the high mass and theyre learning the chance with a low mass with singing. And they sing at almost every mass and our weekday mass they have been singing at special masses. If you like that sing that music, the traditional music, i encourage you to get into this. I think that is a key part of this, right, the music . Yes. Were fortunate to get the organist that we have. Were not a wealthy parish. And we could not afford a hundred thousand dollars salary which we deserve that is well train in the classical tradition. One day this guy showed up from hungary. When he we get back from the break, lets hear more about the choir. Stay with us, folks. Welcome back im vicky evans your host. And our guest is father mark mazza from star of the sea in San Francisco what is telling us about the traditional latin mass that is being celebrated there now. It is in latin. So the missiles had to be changed, right . We had in latin and english. And we even have one in spanish and latin. And we also have one in chinese and latin. And people can use those to follow the ordinary prayers, the ones that dont change from mass to mass. And then. We have also obtained a reprint of the missile, the daily missile that people can hold in their hands that has the latin on one side and the english. And we have provided it as being sold at the parish or the Latin Society of meetings for 35. 50 discounted. Normally, the book is almost 70. So we got a big discount. And we said why dont we make some money . So we sold about 50 copies of the daily latin english missile that will have all of the masses for the whole year in there. And the book that we have is different than maybe you are used to some book was have some latin and some english, but mostly english. But this has every latin and every english and translated on the column right next to it and if you study the latin language and you can learn more and you can appreciate the full text in latin. It used to be hard to get. The latin of the gospel and the graduals, these things were often were not in the books. They would just have the english. This is an excellent book. It helps the people in the pews actually learn what is going on at the alter. Right. And it has everything in there. Ive been getting calls recently, you better hold me a copy theres just been a reprint. And soon well have the spanish latin one available in october. Its a hefty book and nicely done and has a nice cover. It has ribbons and it is very nicely done. And it was nicely done. And the other thing that a lot of people find interesting about the is the traditional holy communion. They kneel and receive on the tongue. And theres a longer formula that the priest says over each person and blesses them with the host and it says may the body of our Lord Jesus Christ preserve your soul for life lasting, amen. Were winding down. Is there anything else that you would like to tell our viewing audience other than to come and see. Come and visit. Many young people are being attracted to t theyre finding Something Wonderful in it. Theres a lot of reverence. Yes, it gives you a lot of time to think. As you know we were afraid of silence. That is great. Everybody, come to mass, 11 00 on sundays. 11 00 a. M. And give it a trial. Plenty of park in the back of the church. And im sure youll really like it thank you, father mark. Thank you. I would love to do this again. Join us next week. Im vicky evans, signing off. We love to hear from you. Go to cbs5. Com and scroll down to bay sunday if you have a show idea. 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