Transcripts For KQED PBS NewsHour 20150417

Ifill plus. Its no secret. Hockeys a predominantly white sport. Ifill nhl players team up with inner city youth, breaking color lines and passing the puck to a new generation. Hockey is a tool and kids will learn anything. And if you dont have them in a positive mind, theyll do something wrong. Woodruff those are some of the stories were covering on tonights pbs newshour. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by at lincoln financial, we believe youre in charge. Youre the chief life officer, and this is your annual shareholders meeting. Youre overseeing presentations on research and development, and welcoming new members of the team. Youre in charge of it all. Lincoln financial is committed to helping you take charge of your future. Life, income, retirement, Group Benefits and advice. Lincoln financial. Youre in charge. Supported by the john d. And catherine t. Macarthur foundation. Committed to building a more just, verdant and peaceful world. More information at macfound. Org and by the alfred p. Sloan foundation. Supporting science, technology and improved Economic Performance and Financial Literacy in the 21st century. And with the ongoing support of these institutions and. This program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Ifill lawmakers struck a bipartisan deal to let president obama fasttrack negotiations on trade deals. It comes just as negotiations with 11 pacific nations are ramping up. Under fasttrack authority, congress could give any deal a yes or no vote, but it could not make any changes. The deal faces hurdles, many from within president obamas own party. Every major labor union has vowed to fight it, but late today, the president issued a statement of support for the compromise. Woodruff al qaeda militants in yemen took over a major airport, seaport and oil terminal in the countrys south today. Officials said the militants clashed with military forces outside mukalla before seizing control. Alqaeda militants overran the city earlier this month, and have been fighting with the Iranianbacked Houthi rebels and saudibacked Government Forces across the country. Ifill russian president Vladimir Putin held his annual televised callin show today, and addressed prescreened questions from an audience on a range of subjects. He was adamant that Russian Military forces are not in ukraine. And he defended his decision to deliver an s300 Missile Defense system to iran, even as world powers negotiate a final nuclear deal. translated there is absolutely no threat to israel. Its exclusively defensive weapons. Moreover, we think that given the conditions in the region, particularly in relation with events in yemen, the supplies of this type of weaponry are a deterrent factor. Ifill putin also accused washington of prohibiting World Leaders from attending a military parade in russia next month. The celebration marks the 70th anniversary of the end of world war two. Woodruff more than 40 people seeking to migrate from africa are feared dead in the latest tragedy in the mediterranean sea. Italian media reported a small inflatable boat left libya saturday and sank while making the perilous crossing from libya to europe. More than 10,000 people have tried to make the trip this week alone. Ifill south korea observed a day of mourning on the oneyear anniversary of a ferry disaster that killed 304 people. Ceremonies were held across the country to pay tribute to the victims. But relatives canceled one Memorial Service in protest over the governments failure to improve Safety Standards and hold highlevel officials accountable. South koreas president assured families theyre working to raise the submerged vessel soon. translated there are still nine missing victims in the sunken waters. The government will take all measures so that those victims can return to their families. Recently, there was an announcement that it is technically possible to salvage the ship. We will quickly take necessary measures so that we can salvage the ship as soon as possible. Ifill raising the sunken ferry is expected to take as long as a year and a half, and cost as much as 137 million. Woodruff a new study on smoking found teens are smoking less, but using Electronic Cigarettes at triple the rate they were a year earlier. The report from the centers for Disease Control and prevention was based on a National Survey of 22,000 students at middle and high schools. It found in 2014, 13 of High Schoolers tried ecigarettes. A year ago the government proposed regulating e cigarettes, including banning sales to minors. The entertainment giant sony is facing a new round of problems over last years cyberattack. Wikileaks has created a searchable online archive of thousands of leaked emails and documents from the hack. Wikileaks founder, julian assange, asserted the material is public. Sony Officials Say its stolen information that has cost the Company Millions of dollars in damage. Ifill General Motors will be shielded from some lawsuits over its faulty ignition switches,and potentially 10 billion in damages. A bankruptcy judge upheld a legal shield yesterday that protected the new gm from claims that originated before it declared bankruptcy and restructured in 2009. About 150 lawsuits contend gm concealed a defect in ignition switches that led to the recall of 2. 6 million vehicles. Woodruff on wall street, stocks finished the day nearly in line with where they started. The Dow Jones Industrial average lost almost seven points to close at 18,100. The nasdaq fell three points, the s p 500 lost more than a point. Ifill and a first for the us record books a woman in houston gave birth to quintuplet sisters. Danielle busby delivered all five girls last week, in four minutes, by csection, after a 28week pregnancy. In a video posted on youtube the parents said all five sisters are doing well, and require only modest breathing support. The last known quintuplet sisters were born in london in 1969. Thats going to be a handful. Woodruff still to come on the newshour europes crackdown on google. A change of tone toward nuns at the vatican. Making sense of welfare to work. Oklahoma city 20 years after the bombing. And, how hockey helps inner city youth. Bipartisanship may be alive and well on capitol hill. As we reported a few moments ago, top lawmakers from both parties struck a longsought deal to give the president to give president obama the authority to noches sweeping trade pact with pacific nations. Here to fill in the picture, newshour Political Editor Lisa Desjardins. They agreed allow a yesorno vote on this trade pact. What is the significance of that . Reporter a lot of the viewers might remember fast track authority. Thats what this is. Let me explain this. We can look at a graphic here. Fast track Authority Means the president can bring the outlines of a deal to congress if it meets the objectives congress is setting in the deal today then the president gets fast tracked. He gets an upordown vote and gwen thats significant because it Means Congress cant amend a trade deal. Thats important to the pacific nations and other nations were negotiating with who dont want to agree to a deal and have congress have the ability to change it. Ifill what is the partnership that the asian nations are waiting on. This is a very significant trade deal. The transpacific nations incorporate 40 of the worlds g. D. P. These are some of the countries highlighted right here. One of the most important partners in that group is it japan who by the way, their Prime Minister will be here on an eightdie daytour in just a couple of weeks. Coincidence . Not at all. Thats why they want to move the fast track now. They want him to be here and be able to say we are open to the Transpacific Partnership to you which opens, basically, more doors for trade. Theres a debate over whether its good or bad. Ifill as you know all politics is local, all politics is domestic and a lot of democrats are not happy about this and unions are not happy about this. This is fascinating. The president has broke wen unions here. Unions think it is a terrible deal. They think it will mean lower wages for workers here. They think it will mean Human Rights Violations possibly overseas. They also think it could have problems including the environment. Unionions opposed it and the a. F. L. C. I. O. Told me today they are going to launch ads. If theres a weak point on the hill, its the house. Right now the Senate Looks Like its behind the deal. Ifill except for Chuck Schumer who may be rising in the ranks of the senate shortly. Thank god you said that. Youre right. Chuck schumer the heirapparent to harry reid said hes skeptical about it. And heres what he needs to get on board. Thee thinks there is no teeth on the deal, that all the countrieses can manipulate their currency and increase trade in their direction. Schumer wantes more currency manipulation protections displiefl in the blink of an eye the president came out with a statement supporting this agreement today. What the is significant of a white house endorsement . I think its huge. We knew the president liked this, but what was interesting in the statement, gwen, is he went out of his way to say i care about american workers. I think this is good for american works. He knows this is a problem for him on the left with unions. Sreenivasan and he can can say were working on it. This is huge for the trade rep that has been working on this for a long time. And also a trade deal in europe in the works as well. Ifill Lisa Desjardins as usual, you go behind the scoons for us, thank you. I love it, thank you. Woodruff there was an important and surprising change from vatican city today. It has ended a crackdown placed on the major Umbrella Group for u. S. Nuns. The group, the Leadership Conference of women religious, had been accused under the previous pope, benedict, of straying from Church Teaching and overemphasizing social justice. The vaticans earlier actions were seen as especially tough on women in the church. Pope francis met with some of the sisters for nearly an hour today. A look at the signficance and what this was all about with rachel zoll, National Religion writer for a. P. Rachel zoll, thank you for being with us. First of all, remind us what was the origin of this dispute between women religious and the vatican and the previous pope . Well, the investigation started about seven years ago, and the vatican never said specifically why they started it, but it emerged from tensions over Church Teaching and the modernizing reforms of the 1960s, when the Second Vatican Council convened and the church went into the modern era. The nuns followed them along. They shed their habits. They took on higherlevel professional jobs in academia, and they focused on social justice issues, such as fighting poverty and fighting war. What happens whapped is theological conservatives within the church started becoming concerned. They wondered if and very openly questioned whether the sisters had left behind the kind of traditional prayer life that was so important to the church, and many people openly questioned whether the sisters had actually been violating Church Teaching and some of the programmingprogramming and some of the issues they had emphasized. Woodruff so what proportion of the women religious of the nuns were affected by the action the vatican took a few years ago . Well, there were two separate investigations that ran parallel. One was for this Organization Called the Leadership Conference of women religious. Its an Umbrella Group for the heads of womens religious orders. And separately but parallel, there was an investigation or a review, called an apostolic visitation of all the womens religious orders in the United States. While both of these investigations differed in some ways, they did also together look at the fidelity to Church Teaching of the sisters in United States. Woodruff so many women were affected by this. So what is the significance then of what the vatican announced today . What happened today was very much an abrupt aboutface from the tone of the investigation itself. In 2012, the vaticans Doctrine Office announced that they were man daight a reform, a toptobottom overhaul of the Leadership Conference of women religious. And they issued a report that was very harsh in its condemnation. They said that the programming for this organization was undermining Church Teaching on issues such as samesex relationships and the priesthood, that they had given platform to people who had been gone too far in terms of their questioning of Church Teaching and the phrase that stuck out for a lot of people was that the they were accuse of promoting radical feminist themes in some of their programming. Now, the leaders of the organization themselves said that these conclusions were deeply flawed, that yes they there was questioning of Church Teaching but it was well within the bounds of fidelity to the church. Woodruff just in a nutshell, todays announcement means what . That the vatican review is over, that the oversight that the bishops themselves had taken of the organization is over. That the Leadership Conference is free to go forward and do the programming and the work that they want to do. Theres one caveat though, and that is that within the very short report that was released from the vatican today about what is going to happen, there was some talk of some continuing review of the whether or not their programming was doctrinally sound. Its not clear what that means. However most people feel that the that the investigation itself is over and that this is good news for the nuns. Woodruff well, the fact that you described it as an aboutface is significant, certainly bears watching going forward. Rachel zoll with the associated press, we thank you. Thank you. Ifill now, a look at the antitrust action the European Union has filed against google. We start with a little background. Today we have adopted a statement of objection to google. Ifill after a fiveyear investigation, the European Union has charged google with using its internet search dominance to favor its own google shopping engine. E. U. Competition commissioner Margrethe Vestager what we would like to see, is that consumers are certain to see the best Comparison Shopping results, and they should not just be shown the google shopping results, if they are ifill the move could lead to billions of dollars in fines for google, which handles more than 90 of internet searches in e. U. Countries its u. S. Share is around 70 . Google responded to the accusations yesterday, insisting that its shopping results have not harmed the competition, adding, any economist would say that you typically do not see a ton of innovation in sectors dominated by one player. Yet that is exactly whats happening in our world. In a separate probe, the e. U. Is looking into googles android mobile system. Officials say the company is illegally obstructing rival systems, applications and services. Google has 10 weeks to respond. The case is just the latest in europes battles with major u. S. Tech companies. Microsoft was forced to pay more than 2 billion in fines during a decadelong antitrust fight and apple, facebook, and amazon have also faced off with european regulators. Ifill and the European Unions commissioner for competition Margrethe Vestager joins me now. For the record, we extended an invitation to google to join this conversation, but they declined. Welcome. Thank you very much. Ifill what is the offense in a company deciding theyre going to arrange their Search Engines so that they promote themselves . Well, then the consumer doesnt necessarily get the best answer to their query. Sometimes it may be the best answer to be presented with google shopping. But sometimes the best answer may be another answer. And what we see is that google has systematically been faiferg its own services and displayed that dominantly in the page when you search on your computer in european countrieses. Ifill do other Tech Companies like amazon not do that . Well, they do not hold a 90 dominance in the general search market, as we see it in the european markets, and thats a very important difference. Ifill how is this different from microsoft we mentioned in the setup the microsoft, the interks l cases, some of which have been settled . Its a completely different matter. And a lot of order on the beach since then. The digital market has developed dramatically in those years, and a lot of innovation, and a lot of other Consumer Choices being made over the years. For me its very important to see this as an individual case and not to, you know think about other cases or precedent because this is one case, and it has to be, you know, judged by its own facts and its own sort of proofs. Ifill consumers in america are used to seeing that. They expect the top results to favor Church Search engine theyre using, whether its yahoo, or google. I think consumers expect google to present them with the best answer to their query. And i think theyre very reluctant to accept that the best answer is always the same. And therefore, of course we state our preliminary views saying well, this is how we see it, and now we expect google to answer within 10 weeks or and or to call a hearing where they can present their case, and where also the complainant of which there is quite a number can tell how they see the case. Ifill google, of course, has already responded in part. Part of their defense is well the industry has changed. Competition has changed. And more important, the technology has changed. Even though we may dominate the market in europe, people can still its their choice. They can still go somewhere else if they want to get a different kind of result. Yes, and, of course you can go somewhere else. You can find other Search Engines, but google holds a very dominant position. And if you do that, well, you should not sort of misuse or abuse the powers that you have. Of course, i think its obvious you should congratulate google for being successful and innovative, and helping us all quite a lot, but for me the congratulations stops when you see that a dominant position it being used in a neighboring market where youre not dominant to sort of help yourself to a better position but not on the merits of competition. Ifill i know you said that all these cases are different, but microsoft in the end paid billions of dollars in fines and it took themselves years and years. Intel is still aexpeelg still in trouble against the European Commission on this. What how do these kinds of complaints, these charges that youre bringing, change corporate behavior . Do they make things better or are microsoft and intel doing what theyve always done . I think its very important. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of businesses who compete on the meritz who present their products to the customers and who, of course expect competition on the merits, that the game is not rigged in one way or another. And i think consumers expect of us that we enforce the law that enabled choice and affordable prizes and innovation to take place. And, therefore, i think the case is very important to keep everyone sort of straight focusing on consumers and on innovation. Ifill you said also yesterday that youre going to be looking it be mobile system, the mobile operating system, android system, which operators like samsung use. How is that different for an operator to use something that somebody else produced to allow people they can if you have an Android Phone if you have a samsung phone, you could use other operating systems, cant you . Well, these are very early days. What we are saying by saying that now we formally opened an indepth investigation is also to tell them now its in the open. People can come forward in they have information for us, and its a high priority. Well put resources into this also, in order to finalize it relatively quick. But, of course, we worry if we hear that those who manufacture our tablets, our smartphones are being very strongly sort of incent vised to use one certain system, which would be android followed by google suites of products. Ifill well be watching it all very carefully. Margrethe vestager the European Union competition commissioner, thank you very much. It was a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Woodruff theres a growing push at the state level to crack down on welfare spending. In some cases, its about how much is spent and for how long. In other cases, its about making sure the money is spent well. Kansas became the latest state today, when Governor Sam Brownback signed a law establishing stricter limits on eligibility and the use of benefits. Nearly two dozen states have made some kind of change to their rules. Our economics correspondent paul solman, has been looking into how welfare reform was working before these latest moves, part of our ongoing reporting, making sense, which airs every thursday on the newshour. The wait is crazy there for almost like three to four hours. Reporter three to four hours . Minimum to just go like into the office. Reporter in boston, 24year old ashli murphy, single mother of a boy, four, and girl, one. Shes been on welfare since 2013, would do anything to get off. I feel like they kind of look down on you. Reporter murphy is now in a privately funded Career Training class, hoping to get a job in nursing and off welfare, which shes on because she quit her last job, in retail. Reporter and why did you quit . I was working there for over two years and i just got 9 an hour. Reporter and how many hours did you get in a typical week . It decreased to like four to eight hours a week. Reporter so you were only getting four to eight hours a week at 9 an hour . And paid every two weeks. Reporter well, you obviously cant live on that. Thus, it was welfare for murphy. But to get welfare, you have to work, as of the 1996 welfareto work law passed, over skepticism from liberals, by a Republican Congress with support from president bill clinton. When i ran for president four years ago, i pledged to end welfare as we know it. Reporter and so he did. This story is about how that effort has fared. Today, a hope of many years standing is in large part fulfilled. Reporter welfare as wed come to know it began in 1935 as part of president roosevelts Social Security act the aid to dependent Children Program to help subsidize families that had lost an incomeproducing father. By the 1970s, welfare had long been a lifeline for single mother families, and a target of critics, encapsulated by Ronald Reagans references to it in runs for the white house. Its now Common Knowledge that our welfare system itself has become a poverty trap a creator and reinforcer of dependency. Reporter Alina Gardner, a manager at a boston employment center, doesnt disagree. I had my first child in 1990 and this was before the welfare reform went in. In those days you could just be on it forever. You know there was there werent many expectations. Reporter but you were just sitting home collecting benefits. Bad for you . If youre idle and youre home all day and youre not taking time to invest in yourself so then you, and raising children to move into a direction that you want them to be selfsufficient, yeah its bad. Reporter thus the clinton welfaretowork program, which weve covered since its inception single mothers ushered off the dole and into the workforce, often groomed by privatecontract job placement programs like america works. The jobs werent always great in the late 90s. I have cashiers that i need for krispy creme. Cashier, food prep at brueggers bagels on 42nd and sixth. Reporter . But some held out the hope of upward mobility. Dawn, i have a great position for you. Youll be involved in some of the creative end of the job, as well as dealing with their client base. I also have accounts receivable positions with time warner cable. Research from the 1990s and early 2000, seems to show that the families seem to be doing pretty well. Reporter berkeley economist Hilary Hoynes studies social safety net programs. Going into it, there was a very strong fear that incomes would really plummet and that didnt happen. There might have been a small group sort of left behind, but for the most part, i think many people were surprised that it worked. Reporter if you just look at the welfare rolls, it more than worked, the number of families on welfare slashed from 12 million 20 years ago to some 3. 5 million today. And back in the 90s, bottom tier wages were going up. But, says hoynes. That increase in real wages for low skilled workers in the late 1990s is not experienced in the 2000s. Reporter thats the welfare towork problem today, says job counselor Alina Gardner you may find lowwage work, but how do you ever move up . Wheres that middle ground, right . There is no more middle ground, its either youre down here or youre up here, you know . Reporter sociologist mary gatta confirmed this when she went undercover at a new jersey job center, pretending to be unemployed. After a class, i went up to an instructor and i said, im looking for a waitressing job and she said, this is great, we have a job fair on the boardwalk go to the job fair and youll get a job. So my next question to her was, well what happens after Labor Day Weekend . On the boardwalk after labor day there are no more jobs. And she said, dont worry, were doing a holiday job fair at the mall. Reporter yes, seasonal low wage jobs have always been an issue for the poor entering the workforce, but its been traumatizingly true since 2008. Extreme poverty increased by much more in the Great Recession than we would have expected, and all the evidence suggests that thats due to welfare reform. Reporter food stamps, housing and health care outlays are up, but welfare checks for the very poorest singleparent families have shrunk so much they now get 35 less in total benefits than such families did before welfaretowork began. And theres another major problem for welfare recipients right now significantly reduced funding for job placement and training. After being told that work as a waitress would be onandoff undercover sociologist mary gatta took the allimportant class in how to find a job training program. At the end of the class they said, well, unfortunately weve run out of training dollars, so you have to wait until the next cycle. Reporter you mean the class was literally about what training was available and then there turned out to be none . Yeah, there turned out to be no funding. I applied for the training in may, but they were not with funds at the time. Reporter at the boston center, Vanessa Cooper also was stymied after the training prep class. It was pretty frustrating waiting for funding that wasnt there. Reporter Neil Sullivan has run job placement for the poor in boston for more than 30 years. We were much better off in the late 90s, when the federal investment in welfare reform and job training for welfare recipients was enormous as compared to the pittance the federal government is able to invest these days. The result is welfare recipients languish in the system and many others are rejected from the system and left to make it on their own, and quite frankly they dont. What would be the average Blood Pressure rating . Reporter ashli murphy is actually lucky to have gotten into a Job Prep Program foundationfunded through the city of boston. Lets hope it gets her a decent job, 19 years after welfareto work became the law of the land. For the pbs newshour, this is economics correspondent paul solman, reporting from boston. Ifill join us for a twitter chat next week, where well discuss laws that limit how welfare recipients can spend their benefits. Details are on our home page, pbs. Org newshour. Woodruff this weekend marks the 20th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, a moment that shocked the nation and changed the way we think about threats at home. Two minutes past nine oclock on the morning of april 19th, 1995. Downtown Oklahoma City is torn apart. I went under a table. The ceiling was coming down. I think it saved my life. Woodruff a ryder truck loaded with a diesel fueland fertilizer bomb, blew up next to the alfred p. Murrah federal building, cutting it in half. 168 people, including 19 children in its Day Care Center, died. More than 650 were injured. On april 21, gulf war veteran Timothy Mcveigh and another former soldier, Terry Nichols were arrested, and later formallycharged with the bombing. Two days later, thenpresident bill clinton came to comfort the city, and the country. For we will stand with you for as many tomorrows as it takes. Woodruff mcveigh and nichols, members of far right wing, antifederalgovernment groups, timed the attack for the twoyear anniversary of the fiery end to the 1993 siege of the branch davidians. That breakaway religious sect, in waco texas staged a 51day standoff with Law Enforcement, which ended with an f. B. I. Led assault on the heavilyarmed compound. 76 members of the group died that day. In 1997, mcveigh was found guilty on 11 federal counts of murder and conspiracy; he was sentenced to death and executed in 2001. Nichols was later found guilty on federal charges of conspiracy and manslaughter and 161 state counts of first degree murder, he is serving 150 life sentences in a colorado federal prison. The anniversary will be recognized throughout the coming weekend in Oklahoma City, and there will be much attention on how survivors and families are faring. Our colleagues at the pbs station, oeta, produced a documentary called resilience and spoke with many of them. It was done in conjunction with the daily oklahoman newspaper. Heres an edited excerpt. It features the nowgrown daughters of a bombing victim, the sister of another, a 21 yearold man who was one of six children who survived from the Day Care Center in the building. It burned his infant lungs and left thirddegree burns over half his body, and the head of the credit union in the murrah building at the time. I dont know how we did it. The first morning we opened up for business, there was probably 500 members of the credit union that some of them had been housed in the murrah building. Nobody had anything to do. In fact everything in Oklahoma City stopped. Everybody stopped when that happened. Our dad thought it was really important for us to continue with you know continue with life, and thats really been even from the immediate incident, thats really been a defining kind of trait as weve as weve gone along. Otherwise, you sit glued to the tv and you can only you can only watch watch so much over and over again. A counselor once told me that you have body memories your body remembers what your mind processed in a traumatic event, and that sometimes your body reacts, sometimes in similar fashion, and i think thats really true, and you do. You just start getting kind of tense. Ask sometimes its funny, ill almost not feel well, and ill think, i wonder whats wrong. And ill think, its april. I constantly deal with that day every day of my life so its never pushed it aside. I always am thankful that i was able to make it through that day, and what i take from it, whenever i think about it is that god had a plan for me to survive that day and i try to figure what that plan is. Woodruff three sprps on Lessons Learned from the attack. Jamie gorelick was the Deputy Attorney of the United States at the time, the second highest position in the department of justice, and a point person in the response in the trial. She served on the 9 11 commission and is now a partner at the law firm miller hale. Barry grissom, and kerry pettingill, was eye lieutenant with the oklahoma Highway Patrol on the day of the bombing and an early responder. He would later become the first director of Homeland Security for the state. And we welcome all three of you to the program. Kerry pettingill, as we said you were with the oklahoma Highway Patrol on the day this happened. You got the call. What did you see . Well when i first started responding to the downtown area, i had approached from the north it was there was already gridlock. I had to drive across sidewalks in order to get as close as i could. And i had to walk in from the north, and i had in my mind that it was going to be a we knew it was some type of an explosion. I was thinking natural gas or perhaps even a airplane had crashed into the building because we at that time, we had a downtown airport. But when i turned the corner and i saw the building or what was left of the building i knew immediately that this was no Natural Disaster or not natural but a disaster an accident. And then the observations were just the way the people were going about helping each other and for me, it was trying to determine what to do next. Woodruff how do you think, looking back on it, Oklahoma City and the state did deal with it at the time, and how are they doing today . Oh, i think the Immediate Response was tremendous. It was a coming together of everyone, not just the responders but also i say the professional responders the actions of those men and women that were involved in the blast, those that were injured but could care for others, the way they assumed certain roles and cared for each other and helped get everyone to safety, i think that the leadership from the governors office, the Mayors Office the chief at the fire department. Chief gonzales at the police department, and bob ricks, who was the special agent in charge of the f. B. I. , the way everyone came together and made decisions very quickly i think helped us maneuver through the immediate processes of trying to gain some type of control over the incident. Woodruff and Barry Grissom, as we said you are in kansas. You were in kansas at the time. Thats where Timothy Mcveigh rented the truck. We know thats where he got the materials to make the mom bomb. What did this mean to that part of the country . You could argue that was the last place people expected there to be an attack like this . Yes. Thats the refrain you always hear, that how could this happen mere . To believe that and ultimately find out that the rider truck was rented in junction city, kansas, and that the Ammonium Nitrate was purchased in harrington kansas and the blasting caps were stolen from a rock quarry in marion, kansas, and no one detected or connected the dots that ultimately led to the tragedy, that was the thing that really shocked us. Woodruff and something that you didnt think would happen in that part of the country, and how do you think that the midsection responded . I think the midsection responded just like we want them to as was described what the folks did in Oklahoma City, the outpouring of support from kansas, from texas, from arkansas, from colorado was amazing. What it did do for us, though, it was an awakening. It made us understand that this isnt an east coast or a west coast phenomena, that this is something that can take place in our backyards, in our neighborhoods. Sp as a result of that the evolution thats happened in Law Enforcement through joint Terrorism Task force working together has been really great. Woodruff and Jamie Gorelick, where fr where you sat, number two, at the justice deparment in 1995, what was it like to deal with it from here . And how did you there was no playbook for Something Like this. There was definitely no playbook. And to your earlier question judy, this was entirely shocking to have Something Like this happen in the heartland. And when we found out that it was one of us, that was doubly shocking. Dealing with the event itself was an extraordinary effort. You had many state and local responders, and you had many different federal agencies that had to be deconflicted. And one of my jobs was to make sure working with the governor that we knew who was doing what. You had a crime scene and a rescue scene in the same place. And that active investigation had to start right away, even as we were clearing through the rubble and trying to save people. Woodruff as you look at it from a federal perspective, and looking at how the state and the local area responded, how good a job did everybody do . Fantastic. I mean people really did putogether. The people of oklahoma were terrific. The country was so shocked by this, that there was an enormous pulling together of resources and feeling. I thought the president you had some of his remarks was terrific in a healing role and making sure that the people of Oklahoma City understood that the rest of us were there for the people of oklahoma. Woodruff Barry Grissom back to you, youve seen since them as a u. S. Attorney in kansas, that part of the country, the entire country having to deal much more with domestic terrorism since then than anything we knew at the time. How have you seen the responses evolve and change . Well, the responses can best be defined as this roles have dissolved. Its very rare that its federal, state, and local name tags. Its Law Enforcement. Through these joint Terrorism Task forces that we have now, were able to work with Law Enforcement partners crossdesignate folks, and work closer with one another than we ever have in the past. Woodruff and what has that meant . How is it more closely together and understand that it is going to happen again . Yes maam, thats right. Ill give you a perfect example. A little over a a week another we stopped a young man who wanted to drive a car load of explosives on to fort riley and kill soldiers. That was just the past week. A year and a half ago we had someone who wanted to drive a car load of explosives on to the tarmac in wichita, kansas. We were able to stop. Tragically we werent able to stop a person from killing people at a Jewish Community center in overs land park. Having been u. S. Attorney for only five years and having to deal with three what i perceive as major terrorist potential events, thats that we stopped two of the three we take some pride in that. Woodruff Jamie Gorelick how do you see washingtons response . I know youre out of the federal government now but you watch it very closely. You remember the 9 11 commission. How you have seen the governments response to domestic terrorism change from what it was 20 years ago . Well, i would agree that were much less atomized and more copiecive than we ever were. If you think about the numbers lets say the f. B. I. Has 40,000 people and state and local police are about a million, you have to knit those resources affect. And, you know, the federal government is not going to know whats happening on every Street Corner the way a local cop is going to. So there has to be that sharing. Its much better. Its not perfect but its much, much better. There are all kinds of mechanisms for jointness. Theres much better information sharing. Again, not perfect but a lot better. Woodruff and less likely to be the element of surprise . Even though no one wants or wants to believe anything like this could happen again. Well when you have just a few people or a Single Person who wants to do something bad, its really hard to stop it. Unless you have so much surveillance in your society that its unattractive, to say the least, to the american people, and thats the balance that we are constantly debating and trying to trying to measure for ourselves. Woodruff and kerry pettingill, back to you, how do you see oklahoma, the people of your state changing as a result of what happened 20 years ago . I think that Oklahoma City has grown tremendously. Its a great city today. Its very progressive, and it is barry and i were talking earlier about how much its changed. But the people were very resilient, and it was as you guys talked about the president saying that we werent alone. Knowing that we werent alone if our recovery was i think very beneficial in that process. Woodruff well, its very difficult to look back but its important that we do. And we thank all three of you for being with us. Kerry pettingill and Barry Grissom and Jamie Gorelick. Here. We thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Ifill the National Hockey League Playoffs begin this week, and for years now, the nhls teams and players have made time during their long season to broaden the games appeal working with youth teams in neighborhoods not normally known as hockey hotbeds. We recently caught up with the fort dupont cannons, the oldest team in the nhls hockey is for everyone urban Outreach Program who are getting an assist from stars of the washington capitals. The ice rink was the only one in washington at the time, so with the kids in the neighborhood i came over to the rink and rented some ice and from then on its been known as the fort dupont ice hockey program. Im neal henderson, im the founder and owner; im the head coach there; weve been in operation since 1977. Our rink is right on a fort that was there during the civil war. The Southeast Side of the capital was not ever touched during the civil war because the slaves guarded that section and fought anyone that came on that side. The black represents the slave the gold represents the brass buttons on the uniform and the white represents their officers. This is why we wear these colors. People think that im crazy for playing hockey, cause people think its like, scary, when the puck comes at you, and my name is benton oneill and i play goalie for the fort dupont cannons, and im 14 years old. When i tell them i play hockey theyre kind of like surprised that im a black kid playing hockey. And my family, they encourage me to do my own thing, and be myself, so that i wouldnt follow the crowd. Because its such a rough area, it gives the children an outlet; so they have somewhere to go when theres issues going on at home. Im alecia wilson, im bentons mom. Ive never had an issue with him because hes always wanted to play hockey. Im always emphasizing to other parents how great hockey is. Hockey is a tool and kids will learn anything. And if you dont have them in a positive mind, theyll do something wrong. I have very high standards, you can only have one c on your report; you must strive for as and bs. i have a young lady thats interested in harvard or cornell to play on the Ladies Hockey Team there. Hockey at the collegiate level, i know its going to be very competitive. My name is katherine baker, i play for the fort dupont cannons, i play defense. To my neighborhood and myself its been very important; its my safe haven. Its where i go every free moment i get, basically. I started playing hockey because a group of my friends where also playing, and i really enjoyed watching it. I chose to play hockey because i watched it on tv, and i saw joel ward playing for the capitals and i wanted to be like him. Ahead now on the right side, right circle, sharp angle, a puck in front they score joel ward, on an Alex Ovechkin pass from the right side. Its an inspirational spot to be at if anyone gets a chance to visit fort dupont. Im joel ward and i play right wing for the washington capitals. Ive been there for a couple years now. Its not just about hockey, its about life lessons and learning and a lot of discipline. I think its guys like myself, its our job to promote it. The nhl helps us quite a bit because how many kids get the opportunity to meet the greatest player in ice hockey . Kuznetsov to ovechkin, score thats number 50 if you have a chance to help the kids, you have to do it. Im Alex Ovechkin, left wing of the washington capitals. If theyre not going to be a hockey player maybe they gonna be a good businessman. You know this wasnt my first time playing with ovechkin, this is actually my 2nd. The first time i actually played with ovechkin, it was like ecstatic, i wasnt quite sure how to feel. I just saw a great hockey player and me being able to skate on the ice with him. It didnt really hit me till after the fact. And then, like today, i look back on that like, wow times have really changed, and i still look up to him as a great player. For me it doesnt matter whether white or black, if he a good player he can help the team, he love the hockey, he gonna be out there. To see that many black kids out there black kids playing hockey like that on one surface ive never seen that my whole life, growing up. Its no secret, hockeys a predominantly white sport. When i first came to d. C. I wanted to pick a number that was meaningful and 42 was available, for the honor of Jackie Robinson. Hopefully i wear it with pride and do the number some justice, and obviously hearing willies story, and getting the chance to meet him. My name is willie oree; i played for the Boston Bruins in 1958, 60 and 61, and it was the media that gave me the name the Jackie Robinson of hockey i didnt give that name to myself. I didnt realize that id broke barriers and opened doors for other black players and players of color. And a pass to oree on the right side, oree comes up over the maple leafs line. Players on the opposition would call me the nword. But later on there were more black players coming up and playing in the league. After i retired in 1980, i felt that i had something to give back to the sport. We want to make hockey available to every boy and girl possible. A hockey puck doesnt care who hits it, and i dont care who hits my hockey puck. As long as they want to play hockey, they come to the right place. The fort dupont cannons, its a family. I couldnt describe it any other way. With coach neal and his team, being like your actual parent. Im their uncle, their dad, their big brother. Im someone they can call at midnight, if necessary, sure. I love doing it because what happens is thats the kid i have saved. Woodruff again, the major developments of the day lawmakers reached a bipartisan deal that gives president obama fasttrack power in upcoming trade negotiations with 11 pacific nations. The president faces stiff opposition from his own party, and every major labor union has vowed to fight it. And, al qaeda militants in yemen took over a major airport, seaport and oil terminal in the countrys south. Ifill on the newshour online, the worlds second largest Flower Garden is in bloom right now in the netherlands. Check out stunning photos from the air and on the ground of the 7 million bulbs covering 79 acres in brilliant color. Happy spring thats at pbs. Org newshour. Woodruff tune in later this evening, on charlie rose ibm c. E. O. Ginni rometty on the future of computing. Ifill and again, to our honor roll of American Service personnel killed in iraq and the afghanistan conflict. We add them as their deaths are made official and photographs become available. Here, in silence, is one more. Ifill and thats the newshour for tonight. On friday, well look at the fight to stop the Islamic State in iraq, on the ground in anbar province. Im Gwen Ifill Woodruff and im judy woodruff. Well see you online, and again here tomorrow evening with mark shields and david brooks. 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