They got to this temporary rescue Center Thanks to the unrelenting efforts of jan creamer and tim phillips. Creamer and phillips told us that all 24 lions here had been repeatedly beaten in traveling circuses. The lions sounded like they wanted to tell us themselves. roaring this was the first time we had an interview interrupted by roaring. Something unusual happened on the way to the Grammy Awards last year. An album was nominated from malawi. The artists werent polished pop stars, but prisoners and guards, in a place called zomba. A maximum security prison, so decrepit and overcrowded, its been called the waiting room of hell. How could such beautiful music come from such misery . We went to malawi to find out. Im steve kroft. Im leslie stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight on 60 minutes. And, at outback our sweet, tender snow crab legs come with a big bold outback steak and, speaking of big. 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Abdirizak warsame has an exotic name, but he was an american teenager living with his mom in minneapolis, who became the leader of an isis cell sending other young men from minneapolis to their deaths. As we first reported last october, warsame was released from jail for one day to talk to us. A judge would soon sentence him to what could be up to 15 years in prison. Warsame wanted to explain to us and, through us, to the judge how he fell for isis in gods name. Abdirizak warsame the reason i wanted to go to syria was, i felt like it was my duty. I felt like it was something that i had to do. And if i didnt do it, i would be, basically a disgrace to god. I would be a disgrace to the world. I would be a disgrace to my family. Pelley did you see the videos of the isis atrocities . Warsame yes, i have seen them. Pelley of them shooting people and throwing them into the river, one after another . The jordanian pilot that they burned to death . Did you think you were going to be doing that kind of thing . Warsame yeah. I was going to be participating in those activities. Pelley because those people werent true muslims. Warsame right. Pelley and therefore they deserved to die . Warsame correct. Pelley Abdirizak Warsame learned the theology of murder in minneapolis, minnesota. He was an american kid rising in a tough neighborhood but never in trouble with the police. He found his way through high school chasing a basketball, pursuing poetry, and music. Warsame when i say cedar, you say riders cedar pelley cedar, as in cedar riverside, was his neighborhood where 20,000 refugees from somalia began to settle in the 1990s. They set their hearts on the american dream, but like most immigrant communities, the first generation kids grew up between two worlds. Too foreign for many americans, too american for their parents. Warsame i went to school with a lot of kids that were not somali. And so i kind of got into that culture, you know, music. Going to prom, dancing, its hard to kind of explain that stuff to your parents, when they kind of really dont understand what it is. Pelley his mother didnt understand why he was hanging out with tough boys in cedar, so she prodded him to go to the mosque. Warsame learning about the religion and reciting the quran, i started to become more religious. I felt like there was something that was missing in me. Pelley the mosque was not extremist, but the lessons were in somali, and warsame looked for an englishspeaking imam online. Anwar alawlaki we are fighting for a noble cause. We are fighting for god. Pelley he found, anwar al awlaki, born in new mexico, and a leading spiritual advisor for al qaeda. Awlaki produced hours of lectures glorifying war on nonbelievers. Warsame one of the lectures was titled, battle of the hearts and minds. And what they do is try to get your heart and your mind and try to get you to join their cause. And so, whether youre doing something good for your community, whether youre going to school, whether you have a nice job, all of that, theyre going to make it seem like its worthless. And that there is something greater that you can be doing. Pelley awlaki was killed by a u. S. Drone five years ago. But online, life is everlasting. Warsame he explained how islam was, you know, like, my calling. It was almost like he was talking to you. And like it made you feel like you were special, you know . And like youre the chosen one. And the more i listened to it, the more it was appealing to me and the more interesting it became. Pelley how much time did you spend watching these videos . Warsame i would just continuously watch them when i wasnt doing anything. When i wasnt at school or doing my homework or, you know, out with my family. I was watching those videos. Awalki we are facing you with men who love death just like you love life. Pelley around the videos grew a congregation, eleven of warsames friends. Warsame i thought i was the only one. But when i met these group of men that i was friends with, it was kind of shocking to see that they also knew about these videos too. We would listen and listen and listen until we became, you know, wrapped in this ideology. All those lectures would talk about how it wasnt a time for just, you know, talking, but it was a time for action. Pelley the route to action was a link away, in the recruitment videos of isis. Music videos, a language the boys could understand. Youtube became more real to you than your neighborhood in minnesota . Warsame yes. Pelley how could that be . Warsame it kind of takes control of you. And you think youre doing something for a greater cause. And you think youre doing it for good. Pelley and what was that . Warsame most of the videos would talk about how if you would engage in jihad, you would be doing your family a favor. And that you would be saving their lives from eternal hellfire. Pelley that if you died as a martyr, you would not only go to paradise your whole family would go with you. Warsame whole family would go to paradise. Pelley and you were trying to be the best muslim you could be . Warsame correct. You want to be the hero. You want to save everyone. And you want to do good. Pelley in 2014, at the age of 19, warsame helped organize a plot to join isis in syria. He helped his friends get passports and made connections with people who could smuggle them through turkey. The first two reached syria, yusuf jama, and abdi nur. Nur sent back facebook pictures. Warsame i remember him telling me, you know, im having the time of my life, and he was fulfilling his dream or on his way to heaven. Pelley what happened to him . Warsame i believe hes dead. Pelley how did that happen . Warsame he was fighting, and he was killed. Pelley yusuf jama was also killed. Are you responsible for their deaths . Warsame yeah, i believe i am responsible for their deaths, and i think about that every day. Pelley and if you had been able to get to syria, what do you think would have happened to you by now . Warsame i probably would be dead right now. Pelley after your friend, abdi nur, left minneapolis, his mother was trying to find him. She was desperate. Warsame she was desperate. She needed answers. And, i knew where he was going. And i did the unthinkable and i lied to her, and i told her that i didnt know where her son was. Pelley she was trying to save his life. Warsame yeah. That was very evil of me to do. Pelley as more of warsames group applied for passports, one of them was evasive about where he was going, and a passport official passed along his suspicions. The f. B. I. Got involved and convinced one of the conspirators to cooperate. Andrew luger he ended up wearing a recording device for two months, and thats one of the ways that we have such good insight into the thinking of these coconspirators. Pelley u. S. Attorney andrew luger ran the prosecution. Luger theres a pull and a push. And the pull is this ideology that says were building the perfect world. You belong with us. Come join it. And the push is theyre not going to treat you like we will. Youre always going to be an outsider. Pelley it sounds like a gang recruiting a kid in chicago . Luger there are a lot of similarities. It goes a little deeper, though, because this message of, you dont belong in the west, is so dangerous. Pelley luger meets with the community often in hopes of warning parents and turning young men around. Luger our job is not only to catch and prosecute criminals, but to prevent criminal activity in the first place. Mohamed amin if theres violence in society, everyone loses pelley mohamed amin is among those fighting the isis message with one of his own. Amin were comparing their system, al qaeda, Islamic State. Why is our system better . Because its fairer. Its just, its more open and more importantly, it works pelley amin works in a gas station and spends his money producing antiisis cartoons under the name average mohamed. What do you think your Job Description is when you join the Islamic State . Behead unarmed innocent people. Destroy World Heritage sites, empower unelected, bloodthirsty individuals as leaders. Amin given resources and opportunity, we can win this fight. Pelley why do you think so . Amin because i have hope. Peace supersedes violence. Freedom supersedes hate. And my Community Wants to be part of the american dream. We love our country. Its a great country. Its given us a lot. A lot. Luger we have to work with all minnesotans to combat islamophobia, because racial bigotry and religious bigotry helps the isil narrative, and weve got to stop it. Pelley how does it help . Luger you listen to these young men, and theyre hearing a message that says, youre not wanted in the west. So when a mother is beaten in a restaurant, which happened last year here, simply because she was somali, had a beer mug smashed across her face and told, go home in front of little kids, that helps that isil narrative. Pelley was she an american citizen . Luger yes. Pelley and her kids were too . Luger yes. Pelley and so when the person said, go home . Luger the kids said, what do they mean . We just want to eat at applebees. Pelley andrew luger prosecuted nine of warsames group. Four had been intercepted at j. F. K. Airport in new york on their way to syria. Warsame and five others pled guilty to supporting a terrorist organization. Warsame i pled guilty because i knew i was guilty. And i knew what i did was wrong. Pelley another who pled guilty was zacharia abdurahman. His father, yusuf, told us that his son had been working nights to go to college by day. He told us he never saw trouble until he looked in hindsight. Yusuf abdurahman in our culture, where i come from, we are very harsh. Nomadic society, very harsh. We dont do compliments, we dont praise the kids, we dont hug them. We dont just tell them, we love you. I never tell my kid, i love you, until he get caught and hes behind bars. We are out of touch with our children. Im not computer savvy. These children, these computers and this internet this is their toys. Pelley their toys. Abdurahman yeah. Pelley and you didnt know what was happening. Abdurahman we didnt know whats happening at the time. You know, im a parent that his kid is in jail now. You know, im sorry what hes going through. But, you know, im very glad that hes here. Im very glad that he was caught, that he was stopped. Pelley youre glad that he was caught . Abdurahman yes. Yes, hes alive. Pelley of the twelve, two were killed, the one who cooperated with the f. B. I. Has not been charged, six pled guilty, and three were convicted at trial. Warsame testified for the prosecution. And these selfies were part of the evidence. Did you write those words . Warsame yeah. It says till the death of me, baby. Pelley and what did that mean . Warsame that meant, this is what i stood for. Pelley and you were willing to die for it . Warsame for this cause. Pelley hoping to die for it . Warsame yeah. Pelley youre looking at potentially 15 years in prison. Who do you blame for that . Warsame myself. At the end of the day, i was the one who made those decisions. Im trying to do the best that i can, to make up for all of the things that ive done. Pelley do you really believe that, or are you saying it so the judge will go easy on you . Warsame i really believe that. What ive done is something that nobody can be proud of. Its very shameful. I might be very remorseful, but i havent done any actions to correct those wrongs. Pelley and thats what this interview is . Warsame its the only reason im doing this interview, is to make up for the wrong that ive done. Pelley and to those young men who are watching those same videos right now, today . You say, what . Warsame i say its not worth it. Its not worth your family going through all the pain and suffering just because you believe in something that is total nonsense. That doesnt make sense. Its not worth your life. Pelley you watched those videos to change your life. And they have. Warsame correct. Pelley Abdirizak Warsames life changed again two weeks later in federal court. Judge Michael Davis told warsame, im not convinced youre still not a jihadist, as he sentenced him to two and a half years. 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And some you shouldnt have to shoulder alone. Like ensuring hes welltaken care of. Even as you build your own plans for retirement. Ask a Financial Advisor how lincoln can help protect your savings from the impact of longterm care expenses. Whitaker for 25 years, jan creamer and tim phillips have made it their mission to stop animal abuse, in circuses. This relentless british couple sends teams to infiltrate circuses around the world, to document the mistreatment of animals. Their work helped lead to local laws banning most wild animals from circuses in more than 15 u. S. States; and to national bans in more than 20 countries. As we first reported in march, their latest successes have been across south america, where they spent years recording animal cruelty on hidden cameras. We caught up with jan and tim in peru, along with two dozen lucky lions theyd recently rescued from travelling circuses. A warning some of the pictures later in this report are disturbing. These caged lions have never had it so good. They got to this temporary rescue Center Thanks to the unrelenting efforts of jan creamer and tim phillips and members of the organization they founded, animal defenders international. Creamer and phillips told us all 24 lions here had been repeatedly beaten in travelling circuses. The lions sounded like they wanted to tell us themselves. Hold on just a second. This was the first time we had an interview interrupted by roaring. Creamer this is their morning song. Whitaker morning song . Phillips if it was you or i, itd be, wheres the hell my coffee . Whitaker laughs i do sound like that when i havent had my coffee. Jan and tim rescue more than lions; they launched their south America Campaign after seeing a chimpanzee named toto chained outside a circus in chile. Creamer theyd smashed his teeth to punish him. They were stubbing cigarettes out on him. Phillips jan shot that picture, and he just gazed across at the andes. It almost looked like he was looking mournfully at what hed lost. We determined to rescue him, and we took him all the way home to africa. Whitaker a judge, appalled by totos treatment, had given custody to jan and tim. Creamer our role is to take them from where they are, where theyre suffering, and put them where they. They need to be. monkey screeches whitaker in south america, their team recorded this hidden camera footage of abuse, which is hard to watch. Phillips what we did was, we put a Team Undercover inside the south american circuses, and they stayed there for almost two years just gathering evidence, filming, photographing. And so, youre living in the heart of the circus, but thats how you get the really amazing evidence. Whitaker many of their pictures were taken by undercover cameraman alexis diaz. When circus workers discovered what he was doing, they beat him up and broke his leg. Still, he kept working to collect evidence. Creamer lots of our evidence has been used by prosecutors for cruelty convictions. Just one beating of an animal isnt going to secure a conviction; you have to show a pattern of behavior. Whitaker some circuses claim they train wild animals without abuse, using food and positive reinforcement, but creamer and phillips insist beatings are routine, because performing tricks is unnatural for wild animals. They only comply out of fear. Phillips if youve got a dangerous animal, that means subjugation and so. Whitaker subjugation means beating . Creamer absolutely. Its all about control, and how they are going to make it do what they want it to do. So, its a kick, its a punch, its a beating. Phillips and really, weve seen that everywhere weve gone. This is. Whitaker everywhere . Phillips yeah. In europe, in america, in south america. There are certain consistencies in the way that these circus animals are looked after. Creamer using violence is the way that these animals are made to do things that they dont want to do. They dont want to get up and perform, so they have to force them to do it. Whitaker so, when you made this Video Evidence public, what was the reaction . Phillips the reaction was instant. I mean, it. It really was just outrage. And then, the politicians were starting to hear about it and say, well, we should probably have legislation here. Whitaker bolivia was the first country in south america to ban wild animal acts. Other countries have followed suit . Creamer absolutely. Colombia, peru, theres over 30 countries. Whitaker but in peru, the new law led to their next challenge enforcement. Lion acts were outlawed, but local police were not equipped to pick up the lions or care for them, so jan and tim said their organization would take in the lions. They brought police for protection during the seizures, because circuses resisted handing over their moneymakers. Phillips yeah. They threaten to release the animals into the streets, and we try to. Whitaker seriously . To let wild animals run through the streets if you come down hard on them . Phillips thats right. Whitaker when they raided the circus in cusco, peru, they rescued three lions. But the circus refused to release its star attraction, a lion named smith. The circus demanded police get another court order for smith. While jan and tim worked on that, smith had to keep performing. Creamer he was unstable and upset because his family had been broken up, and then he was forced into the ring. That was not the time to put someone in the ring with him. Whitaker a Grade School Teacher volunteered to have smith jump over her, but smith had other ideas. screams amazingly, she jumped right up and was not badly hurt, because hed grabbed her by her collar. Some viewers wanted smith killed, but jan and tim came back to save him. And after what smith did to the teacher, the circus was forced to give him up. One year later, smiths favorite toys are soccer balls. They dont last long. Sharp teeth. So, have you seen a big difference in his behavior since he came here . Creamer huge difference. Whitaker whats changed . Creamer hes not frightened, hes playful, confident. Whitaker how was he before . Creamer wired, nervous, neurotic. Whitaker why does he not have a mane . Creamer when you castrate the males, they lose their mane. Whitaker do you have a favorite . Creamer i do have a very soft spot for leo. So, leos getting special attention again. Phillips the very first lion we rescued and loaded on this was a old lion called leo, and he just looked broken. Every tooth had been smashed, all of his canines. And he just looked like hed given up. Within weeks, his coat was looking healthier, and hes just blossomed. Hes like a real kitten again. He, too, likes playing with soccer balls, but with few teeth. Whitaker hes the one who just gums it. Creamer yes. Whitaker each ball lasts a lot longer. Rapunzel also has made a remarkable transition. Jan said when they came to take her from the circus, rapunzel had never been out of her cage. Creamer shed been born in there, her mother had died in there, her father had died in there and shed never been outside. So, when we brought our cage up to it and we opened the doors to try and transfer her, she was afraid. Whitaker jan said it took more than an hour to entice her out. Rapunzel was also afraid of hay because shed never seen it. But, as you can see, shes gotten over that. Plenty of circuses like this one still are crisscrossing peru with lots of human acts to entertain. But the government told us, thanks to the efforts of jan and tim, there are no more wild animals not a single one still performing in peru. Lions that had been malnourished now get to feast on whole chickens. After plenty of food and medical attention, jan and tim found them a permanent home at a sanctuary in south africa, but that would mean a long flight from peru. And theyd have to coax two dozen skittish lions into travel crates in time for takeoff. Tim told us the transfers would be tricky and dangerous. Phillips might have a few problems. Worst Case Scenario is, we have to anesthetize an animal to get them loaded in order to catch the flight. There can be problems with it. The big lion anesthetic, it does lead to seizures. Whitaker the transfers didnt start well. Creamer come on, people. We dont have all night. Whitaker but then, one by one, they lured the lions into their crates. That was easy. God, hes a big fella. Several objected to the smaller space. Creamer okay, this one needs to be moved. Whitaker this is going quite well. Creamer were actually really fast. Vet ven, smith. Ven, smith. Whitaker smith, who had dragged the teacher, also seemed ready to leave. Vet muy bien. Muy bien. Whitaker finally, the last lion was reluctant rapunzel. Remember, during her rescue, it took more than an hour to get her to leave her circus cage . Once again, she refused to leave the known for the unknown. With time running out, they had to tranquilize her. Creamer this is the scariest thing that we have to do with an animal, but we had no choice but to do it. She wasnt settling down. Alexis uno, dos, tres. Whitaker fearing she could suffer a seizure, they quickly gave rapunzel the antidote and hoped theyd given it to her in time. Creamer shes awake. Phillips she should be okay now. Creamer the cages. The cages are empty. They really are. That feels good. Whitaker the drive to the airport began what would be a twoday journey. Jan, tim and a vet flew with the lions, without incident. Then, in south africa, we caught up with them being transported through the countryside after what had been the biggest lion airlift in history 33 lions, including nine rescued from colombia. Phillips seeing these animals when youve taken them to as close as we can give them to freedom really is what its all about. Whitaker the lions are still fenced in, but they have plenty of room to roam more than 30 acres. These cats couldnt survive in the wild. Most dont have claws, and their teeth have been smashed. Here, theyll get fed, and they can bask in a world of new experiences. Many had never stepped on grass, had never touched a tree lifes simple pleasures, long denied. Since our story first aired, despite having armed guards to protect the lions, two of the rescued lions were poisoned and killed in their south african sanctuary by poachers. Animal defenders international called the killings evil and cowardly. They are working to increase security. This cbs sports update is brought to you by ford division. At the quicken loans national, kyle stanley made par on the first playoff hole to beat Charles Howell iii. In baseball, mookie betts hit eight home hit a home run. 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As we first reported in october, the artists werent polished pop stars but prisoners and guards men and women in a place called zomba, a maximum security prison so decrepit and overcrowded, we heard it referred to as the waiting room of hell. How could such beautiful music come from such misery . We went to malawi to find out. This is the music that brought us to malawi, one of the least developed nations on the planet. Its a place of staggering beauty. Theres vast mountains, lush forests, and a long, idyllic lake. Drive through the countryside, however, and you quickly see poverty is widespread. For the countrys 17 million people, life is full of hardships. Zomba is malawis only maximum security prison, and the music youre hearing comes from behind these walls. This prison was built to hold around 400 inmates. Today, there are 2,400 here. Whats so startling when you walk into the prison yard on a sunday morning, is that everywhere you turn, there is music. A cacophony of choirs. Many here are hardened criminals robbers, rapists, murderers. Others are casualties of a legal system that can be chaotic and arbitrary, where court files are routinely lost, and most suspects have no legal representation. In a small room off the yard, theres a prison band practicing every day on donated instruments. Those men in green are guards. They play side by side with inmates. Ian brennan, an american producer who travels the world recording new music in unlikely places, heard about zomba and four years ago flew to malawi to check it out. Youre taking a gamble because you go to places, you dont necessarily know whats there, right . Ian brennan no, no, no. We we have no idea. Its a leap of faith every single time. Cooper his was not the only leap of faith. Officer Thomas Binamo took one, too. He helped found the prison band nine years ago and wasnt sure what to think the day ian brennan showed up. Thomas binamo translated i was quite surprised because i couldnt understand how this guy knew about us. And why would he be interested in our prison . Cooper its not every day a White American knocks on the prison door and says he wants to come in . Binamo translated yeah, its true. laughs its not every day. Brennan what took you so long . Cooper brennan saw promise in this prison, and the possibility of an album. So he set up his microphones and asked anyone interested to write and sing songs about their lives, men and women, inmates and guards. It was something most had never done before. What were you hoping to find . Brennan well you know, the thing we look for everywhere, which is, you know, music that resonates with us. This is what moves me. And hopefully itll move someone else. Cooper and when you hear it, you know it. Brennan yeah. You feel it, usually. Cooper even if you dont understand the words right away . Brennan its better when you dont understand the words. Because when you dont understand the words, you have to listen to what somebody means, not what theyre saying. And if they mean it. Cooper officer binamo was reluctant to write and sing about his life, but when he did, ian brennan knew his music would be on the album. Just listen to what he came up with one morning when we were there a softlysung ballad about the sudden death of his wife. You left without saying goodbye, he sings. You left behind the children, too, they no longer cry. Brennan laughs he writes songs and plays as beautifully as someone can. Hes reached that level of transcendence where it cant be better than it is. It just is. Its something that just hits you. Cooper to fully appreciate the music here, you have to see the misery. But when we arrived at zomba, authorities didnt want us to show what life is like for the prisoners. So, much of what we filmed, we had to record secretly, without the guards knowing. Inmates in zomba are fed just one meal a day, a small bowl of gruel made out of cornflower. The menu, were told, rarely changes. On good days, they get a few beans; on bad days, inmates say, theres no food at all. Chikondi salanje sang on the album nominated for a grammy. Hes doing time for burglary. Do you eat meat, chicken, beef . laughs youre laughing. Thats not good. When was the last time you had meat . Chikondi salanje 2014. 25 december. Cooper two and a half years ago . On Christmas Day . Salanje yeah. Cooper its not just the lack of food. Zomba is so overcrowded, prisoners say they only have enough room in their cells to sleep wedged against one another lying on their sides. Stefano nyirenda also sang on the album. So youre sleeping on your side . Stefano nyirenda translated when you want to turn, you have to do it together. Cooper right next to each other . How do you sleep . Nyirenda translated we just sleep. We have no choice. Cooper stefano is in for robbery, and he is h. I. V. Positive, as are around a quarter of zombas inmates. They occasionally get visits from an italian nun, sister anna tommasi, who runs a Small Charity providing some food and legal aid to prisoners. If you were writing a postcard to somebody, who had never been to this prison, how would you describe it here . Sister anna tommasi oh. I think its impossible for somebody outside to get there are no words which could explain, because cooper what life is like here . Sister tommasi yes. I think, before you came, three days ago, if i had written anything, would do you think you could have had a clue . Cooper no. Sister tommasi sometimes, i call it, its the waiting room of hell. Cooper laughs thats what this prison is like . Sometimes . Sister tommasi yeah. Cooper if it is the waiting room of hell, salvation for Chikondi Salanje comes from music. Salanje translated when im singing, i feel like im in another world. I dont feel like im in prison at all. Its only when i stop that i realize oh, im still in prison. When im singing, i forget about everything else. Cooper when the music stops, thats when you realize youre in prison . Salanje translated when were singing, the walls are no longer there. But when we stop, the walls return, and then were back to counting the bricks again. Cooper chikondi wouldnt have to count the bricks much longer. After five years here, he was about to get released. And when we were there, recorded a new song for ian brennan. Its about leaving prison. And his fears of life as a free man. Dont call me a criminal, he sings. When i get home, theyll reject me. When something goes missing, theyll accuse me of stealing. It hurts badly when you call me a criminal. In the mens section of this prison, there are rooms where prisoners take classes taught by inmates and guards. There are also two small libraries where they pour over faded books, and a rundown computer room. But in the womens section, there is no library, no computers. There is little else, but music. Until ian brennan came along, the women didnt have their own instruments, and they couldnt understand why he was interested in listening to their singing at all. Brennan they really were believed that they were not singers or songwriters. I mean, they were pretty adamant about this. And and just at the moment i i was getting pretty close to feeling like, well, you know, we we tried one person stepped forward and said, ive got a song. And then, the minute she did that, they literally lined up. Cooper Rhoda Mtemangombe was one of those women who stepped forward. The song she wrote for the zomba prison album is called i am alone. What does that mean . Rhoda mtemangombe translated i have no parents. I have no husband, and im here in prison. So i realize theres no one who can help me. So i ask god to help me. Hes the only one who can guide me across this huge river. Cooper rhoda is serving a life sentence here in zomba. Shes in for murder. Do you feel like youre glorifying criminals . Brennan no. No, no, no. Its humanizing them cooper humanizing brennan not glorifying them, at all, right . Theyve committed crimes. Many of them have learned from their experiences. This is about humanizing individuals and thats for the benefit, not of them; thats for the benefit of the listener. Cooper the album ian brennan recorded at zomba did not end up winning the grammy last year, and it hasnt turned a profit, either. Brennan has paid the musicians, and they have a contract to receive more money if there are future earnings. When he showed up at zomba with his wife, marilena, last may to present the prisoners with some gifts and their grammy nomination certificate, it was cause enough for celebration. Though some of the singers, like stephano nyrenda, still had questions about what a grammy award really was. Nyrenda translated can i ask a little question . Cooper yeah, of course. Nyrenda translated this trophy, does it have any money inside of it, or is it just a small prize . Cooper its just a token, theres no money inside the inside the award. Nyrenda laughs cooper being nominated for a grammy has not changed life for the inmates inside zomba. Or for guards like Thomas Binamo, living just outside the prison walls. But they are still writing music, and in september, released a whole new album. Its called i will not stop singing. Inside this prison, its the only promise they have the power to keep. In malawi, the road music comes with road food. For the tale, go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by pfizer. Your body was made for Better Things than rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz is right for you. Xeljanz is a small pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. 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