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Ignatius of the Washington Post, david rohde of reuters and susan page of usa today. 60 years of news because this is face the captioning sponsored by cbs and good morning, again, we want to go first to atlanta and the cdc director dr. Tom frieden for the latest on this new case of ebola, which was confirmed in dallasing over might. Doctor, thank you so much. The authorities at the hospital are saying that the person who is, has now been diagnosed as having ebola was a Healthcare Worker, they dont give the gender, and was exposed to duncan, the man who died down there on his second visit to the hospital. Obviously, he was showing symptoms by then. But that the worker had been considered at that point in a low risk situation and they say he was following cdc protocols, in other words, wearing the gown, wearing the gloves and all of that. Doesnt this make this even more serious than we thought it we are deeply concerned about this new development with a preliminary positive in Healthcare Worker who cared for the index patient in dallas on multiple occasions after his diagnosis. I think the fact that we dont know of a breach in protocol is concerning, because clearly there was a breach in protocol. We have the ability to prevent the spread of ebola by caring safely for patients. The fact is that the individual who became ill was as per protocol self monitoring, immediately when they developed symptoms they isolated themselves, they were promptly isolated at the hospital, so that any further spread from that individual was stopped and fundamentally at this point, there are four things we are doing. First is to make sure that that individual is cared for safely and actively. Second, we are identifying that individuals contacts and our cdc team lead for this investigation on the ground in dallas interviewed that individual in detail. Third, we now consider all of the Healthcare Workers who cared for the index patient potentially to have been exposed and we will be rostering those individuals and determining which require active followup in addition to their self monitoring and, fourth, we will conduct a full investigation of what happens before Health Workers go in, what happens when they are there, and what happens in taking out taking off their protective equipment. Because infections only occur when there is a breach in protocol. Schieffer all right. Let me just make sure i understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that somehow or another by accident or otherwise that one of the protocols was violated or not followed . And that is how this happened, not because there are other ways that you can get this disease . Is that basically what you are saying, doctor . That is correct. We know from many years of experience it is possible to care for patients with ebola safely without risk to Healthcare Workers but we also know that it is hard, that even a single breach can result in contamination and one of the areas that we look at closely are things like how you take off the gear that might be infected or contaminated. Another we will be looking at closely in the investigation is the interventions that were done to try desperately to keep the index patient alive, this included dialysis and intubation. These are two procedures which can result in the spread of infectious material. Schieffer and how many of these workers are you now monitoring, doctor . We are now looking at all individuals who cared for the index patient and who, we will be determining how many of those may potentially have had contact that would have resulted in a breakdown of protocol and possible con familiar haitian. Schieffer but i mean, approximately, is that two dozen people . Is that ten people . How many people are you monitoring down there at that hospital . I cant give you an exact number. These are latebreaking developments. We got the preliminary positive test last night, less than 12 hours ago, late last night and our team is intensively working with the hospital on both understanding what happened, identifying other Healthcare Workers who may be at risk and also making sure that protocols are followed in the care of this individual. Schieffer doctor, let me ask you this, and i am asking just because i would be interested to know. It seems that the authorities are being very secret if the, as if they were dealing with top secret information or Something Like that. I just wonder, there must be a reason for that. I dont think we are being secret if the at all. Within two hours of the index patient being diagnosed we had a press conference. Late last night we heard of this patients preliminary positives and we are speaking to the press now. We want to give more rather than less information. Schieffer i understand. We also want to make sure it is accurate. Schieffer i dont mean this as criticism, but i mean the fact that you cant even tell if it is a man or a woman. There must be a reason that you are withholding that information. You know, we really try to protect individual patient confidentiality, so sometimes that may seem excessive, but if you were sick or a Family Member were stick you would really want the information coming from the individual or family. There may be coworkers who would be able to identify who the individual is if they knew the gender, so, you know, we would rather err on the side of safety and the side of respecting and protecting patients. Schieffer doctor, thank you very much and we certainly appreciate your taking your time to talk with us this morning. Thank you. Thank you very much. Schieffer officials at that hospital in dallas have also announced they are shutting down the emergency room there until further notice. We have put the Emergency Department at presbyterian on diversion until further notice because of limitations in staff capacity, that means ambulances are not currently bringing patients to our Emergency Department. Schieffer they are, there are also reports as i alluded to in the interview with dr. Frieden that the Healthcare Worker, the identity of that person is that she is a female nurse. We are going to go to the chairman of the House Homeland Security committee, Michael Mccaul who is in austin this morning. Mr. Chairman, you heard hearings down there. Let me ask you about that first. Have you been able to confirm, is this a female nurse who was infected . We have confirmation that it was a nurse at dallas presbyterian, i dont know the gender of the nurse, probably most likely female, but, you know, this really raises the issue of protocols and proper protocols and procedures, remember mr. Duncan when he was first admitted said he came from liberia had a 103degree temperature and then was released on to the streets, which also causes a threat to other people out in the community, and so we believe that the hearing brought out with cdc and Homeland Security officials and state officials they need to start following better protocols and very sad to hear about the nurse being exposed as well because as i understand, the nurse was wearing the protective gear and there must have been some breach of that protocol. Schieffer well, it sounds as if, like, for example, that this may have happened whe whens nurse was taking off the gloves. Right. Schieffer that they wear or something of that nature, but clearly, it does underline the sensitivity. Our dr. Jon lapook is going to be with us later in the broadcast has been talking to officials at the cdc and he tells us they are now considering sending ebola patients to just one of the four december nateed facilities, emory, at emory in atlanta, at nih in montana and in nebraska. Do you think that is a wise step there, if they should do that . Is that necessary . Well, i think that may be wise because they have the expertise to deal with this very horrific virus and we had five cases, mr. Duncan passed away, unfortunately, and now we have a new case and so i do think that is important and also it is important we eliminate the source, threat at the source and the source really is in africa, where it is spreading like a wildfire. We have now over 8,000 cases of ebola spreading throughout africa and west africa, 4,000 deaths, and i think we need there is a lot of talk about banning flights i think we need to target more the individuals themselves and look at the idea of potentially temporarily suspending the 13,000 visas that would be coming out of this region, allowing Healthcare Workers to go in, because they have to contain the threat, but then when it comes to the sort of the original population out of west africa, leaving i think until this gets under control that is a measure that policy makers ought to be looking at. Schieffer well, we have as you well know started screening at five airports now in this country. Right. Schieffer where most of the passengers from those three west african countries come from. Do you think that is going to help . Well, i think it will help a great deal. We do screen at the point of origin, and then the point of entry within the United States and the top five airports where they would potentially come through. They are secondarily screened automatically, as they come from the country of origin and coast guard medical officer in do an evaluation, including a temperature analysis. Now, this is a virus that incubates for 21 days, so it still least the possibility somebody could still get through that process. Schieffer mr. Chairman, we are going to have a lot more on ebola in the second half of our broadcast and want to thank you for joining us this morning and also have a report from liberia, by the way, but we want to turn now to the other big story, the war against isis. Cbs news correspondent elizabeth palm search in baghdad this morning with the latest on that. We will have more on ebola in our second half hour, including a report are liberia, but we want to turn now to the other big story, the war against isis. Cbs news correspondent Elizabeth Palmer is in baghdad with the latest on that. I see is now on the attack in a kind of half circle around baghdad from the north around the west, and down to the south. At the closest point, their fighters are in an outer suburb called an abu ghraib which is about eight miles from the perimeter of Baghdad International airport. There are now 12 teams of American Military advisors on the ground with the iraqi force whose are charged with protecting the capital and american is, america is also carrying out air strikes nearby, mainly to the west and to the south. Now, nobody expect a major assault on the city my time soon, but it is likely isis will keep up the pressure with a Bombing Campaign by slipping through the many army and Police Checkpoints in the city and even civilian security checks that have been set up in all Public Places including in mosques, in fact, yesterday more than 30 people were killed in three separate bomb attacks. Now, outside the city, i see is in control of some major sections of highway and also key towns. The Iraqis Security forces fighting them are holding their own, but only just, there certainly have been no major victories in the past few days. Schieffer all right. Elizabeth palmer reporting from baghdad this morning, thanks, liz and joining us how, former secretary of de15, the former cia director leon panetta, his new book is just out, it is called worthy fights, a memoir of leadership in war and peace, mr. Secretary we are glad to have you. Nice to be here, bob. Schieffer you just heard elizabeth, do you think baghdad is actually in danger of coming under attack now . I dont think we can take anything for ganted with isis. They are moving against kobani, on the syrian Turkish Border and moving in Anbar Province as we have seen. This is a welltrained, a well armed and frankly they are well commanded in terms of their ability to conduct war and i think we just have to be very aware that they represent a significant threat. Schieffer we have now been conducting air strikes for what nine weeks and yet as you say, they continue to advance in some ways they seem stronger rather than weaker. Is this strategy working . This is a strategy that is going to demand a lot of patience. I think the president is taking the right steps. We have got troops to try to help the iraqis get their act together in terms of their security force. We are conducting these air trikes. We are trying to train and arm the rebels in syria. We have built a coalition force. But all of this requires great leadership on the part of the United States. We will have to keep this together and be very patient, we are going to have to be very determined. These air strikes can help to a degree. I think they have helped kind of stifle some of the momentum, in isis but to make these air strikes work, you have got to have information on targets and you have got to be able to pinpoint where the enemy is located and that is something frankly that is going to take time. Schieffer basically what you are saying is we have to have some kind of people on the ground here. You have got to have boots on the ground, maybe doesnt have to be american boots on the ground but you have got to have people on the ground who can identify targets and who can help us develop the kind of effective air strikes that are going to be needed if they are going to be able to undermine, destroy this vicious enemy we are dealing with. Schieffer the president S National Security advisor susan rice was on television this morning and she said if i understand it there has been no recommendation from military commanders that the United States would come, would put combat troops in iraq. Does that sound right to you . Well, the one thing i know about our military commanders is they are going to be looking at every possibility of how we effectively deal with isis. And i dont know what recommendations they have made or not made. But i will say this. I think the president of the United States has to be open to whatever recommendations are made in order to ensure that we are effective in going after isis. Schieffer he said flatly this morning we are not going to get involved in a ground war in iraq. We are not going to put troops in there. Should she be ruling that out . I always felt that the president of the United States ought to keep every option available in dealing with this kind of enemy. It doesnt mean that we need to invade, it doesnt mean we have to, you know, as susan rice said have combat troops on the ground but i think you want to protect every possible option, because we are dealing with a very resilient enemy and the only way you deal with a resilient enemy is with flexibility, adaptability and the kind of determination that we are going to need if we are ever going to win this war. Schieffer we will take a break here and come back and talk some more about this in just a minute. Schieffer back now the with leon panetta, mr. Panetta, in your book you talked about how the dysfunction that is now set in in washington, you have all talked, also talked about how control has been so centralized in the white house that cabinet officers, including the secretary of defense sometimes were told not to deal with congress, for example, that all of those things would be handled in the white house. What has gone wrong here in this administration . I mean, for one thing they cant seem to catch a break here, and is it their fault this is it just what has happened . Or what is the problem . Bob, there are, having been in this town close to 50 years, you know, i have seen washington at its best and washington at its worse and right now i think it is washington at its worse because of the gridlock and the stalemate that is involved in this town. A lot of things have contributed to it. But i worry about that and thats really one of the reasons that in the book i try to identify my concerns, because we are looking, regardless of what happens at this election, probably two and a half more years of stal stalemate, if that happens, at a time when we are facing the kind of crises we are facing abroad, at a time when we are facing major issues in this country, there is a certain sense that both parties have kind of given up ongoing after those issues and dealing with them. And this country cannot tolerate another two and a half years of stalemate. The president cant tolerate it. If he wants to be able to get the things done that he wants done, and i respect him for what he wants to get done, he has got to get into the ring, everybody has got to get in and fight to make sure that we do the right thing for the country. Schieffer well, what do you think, there are some suggestions that he might be considering some major staff changes after the election. Do you think that would be a good idea to just kind of clean house and start over . Other president s have done this in the second term. I always think it is a good idea to bring new life into the white house. The problem with the white house is, as you mentioned, is isolation. You isolate the president from a broad range of views and i understand this has developed over the years, more concentration of power in the staff of the white house, and as a result, the president doesnt get 0 exposed to a broad range of views he needs order to make the decisions so bringing new life in, bringing new views in would be very helpful to giving the president that greater exposure to a lot of different options that he is going to have to consider if he is going to get things done. Schieffer you say in the back that sometimes he doesnt seem to show the passion that one needs to show, that he approaches things as a law professor. You know, look, go mind president s who have the quality of a law rfer in looking at the issues and determining just exactly, you know, what nears to be done, but president s need to also have the heart of a warrior, thats the way you get things done, is you engage in the fight, and in this town, as difficult as it is, and it is difficult, i mean you have got Tea Party Members in congress who basically want to shut the government down and tear it down, he still has to have the ability to engage and to try to work with people who want to get things done in order to make sure that we just dont stalemate as a country. This country is strong, it is powerful, i think we could have a great future, but if all we do is operate by crisis after crisis after crisis then we are going to weaken this country. Schieffer wall street journal reported friday that the president is now regular options for closing down guantanamo and doing it by executive order. That would be doing it without congresss approval. Good idea, bad idea right now . I think the president was right to want to close guantanamo. I respected that, and frankly we took steps to try to do that, congress put a barriers to that. But this is a big step and if it is going to be done right i think the president has to engage with the congress in trying to provide the kind of transition that is necessary to make it work right. We are in another war. We are going to be getting enemy combatants and we we have to tk about how we are going to deal with all of that and the only way to deal with that is working together on what is a major issue that is going to have to be confronted. Schieffer leon panetta, always a pleasure to have you. Thank you, bob. Schieffer and we will be back in a moment and have some personal thoughts. This portion of face the nation is sponsored by, banking, loyalty, analytics, engage with us. Schieffer i have lost count how many weeks but it was another awful week two, cases of ebola, one fatal have now been confirmed on u. S. Soil, and isis is on the move in Northern Iraq and syria. American warplanes were in the air again but it was hard to judge their impact and now the United States and its ally turkey are at odds on how to confront the terrorists. The stock market had a bad week and china finally passed the United States as the Worlds Largest economy. Not surprising, then, that a Chinese Company bought the waldorf astoria hotel, the iconic new york landmark where Henry Kissinger entertained chinese officials when the two countries first resumed talking back in the seventies. Now the chinese own it. I guess this is just another example of the interlocking global economy, but with russia billionaires buying up new yorks luxury apartments and now this somehow it makes me a little sad. I have got to believe it is not what rogers and hart had in mind when they wrote that great old song that says we will have manhattan, the bronx and Staten Island too, it is lovely going through the zoo, no, they would be surprised by all of this, but it is a great song, and we still own the zoo. Back in a minute. Some stations are leaving us now but for most of you we will be right back with lots more face the nation including an update on the new case of ebola in dallas and have our panel, so stay with us. Schieffer and welcome back to face the nation. We want to get an update first on the condition of the dallas ebola patient, the new patient, cbs news correspondent rain necessary is outside of dallas presbyterian. Listen, 90 minutes after that order detected they had a fever they ended up here and presbyterian and now we are told the nurse is in stable condition. The Texas Department of health detect conducted the initial test here and now the center for Disease Control must confirm the diagnosis. But the name of the work search not being released and Spokesman Says the worker came into contact with Thomas Eric Duncan during the second visit here, duncan died from the virus last week, the worker who has now tested positive we were told had full protective gear including a gown, glove, mask and a shield. A spokesman said he was very concerned that a worker would still become infected even with all of this protection. The worker had been under a self monitoring regimen prescribed by the cdc and 48 people are in what is considered a self monitoring pool, part of that process includes checking themselves for temperatures or for fever at least a couple of times a day and as i mentioned less than 90 minutes after this nurse did that they went to texas presbyterian. The worker was considered in a low risk pool and had not been to work for at least a couple of days, bob. Schieffer thank you so much, vicente. U. S. Forces have now arrived in west africa to help fight the ebola epidemic, cbs News Reporter debra p at t a is in monrovia, liberia and here is her report. Ebola has reached 4,000, here in lie per, experts in liberia warn it is probably much higher as still many up unreported cases, awareness is key to halting the infection but western support is also crucial. Last week another group of soldiers arrived in monrovia, they are being deployed around the country by general from an Emergency Operation center at a beach front. Liberia government Western District of texas the u. S. Presence in liberia but also criticism this is too little, too late. What you need to understand, debra, the ambassador, leadership, aid, the u. N. , cdc, a host of other nongovernmental organizations have been here for some time dealing with this, so we were brought in to provide our unique capability, logistics, engineering, training, to fill a gap. And in terms of filling that gap, do you think you can reverse the trend . It is a whole government approach and just filling that small gap. The u. S. Military here is not here to solve ebola. U. S. Military extent out mobile testing labs which can cut the time down to, with respect to whether a sick person actually has ebola from several days to several hours. This will entry up beds a lot more quickly a short drive away, 150 bed unit, ebola treatment unit is under construction and double the capacity to deal with the disease. But now there is a new concern, liberian Health Workers are threatening a slowdown on monday, they want danger pay and safer working conditions. The government says it is doing everything it can to resolve the dispute quickly but aid organizations are concerned that a potential strike could severely setback ebola containment at this critical juncture. Schieffer all right, cbs News Reporter debora patta in liberia this morning, our chief medical correspondent, dr. Jon lapook is here with me. Doctor, i want to get back to this, what they are calling a breach of the protocol, what does that mean . It sounds like, as they described it, we have now confirmed it was a nurse that somehow or another all the things that the nurse was supposed to do apparently the nursemaid some sort of mistake, maybe taking off the gloves, what do you read into this . Well, it says to me that you really have to rethink where exactly these patients were diagnosed with ebola should to in the best of circumstances. So as you pointed out earlier, there are four medical centers around the country that are specifically set up for these high risk infectious, emory, member a, and mota, montana of the six patients who has had ebola and treated in america, now seven i guess three were at emory, two nebraska, at emory, nebraska these two high risk centers they are specifically taught how to deal with it and none have been infected, so i asked to tom frieden the head of the cdc and what about considering in abundance of caution, every hospital has to be able to diagnosis it but once you diagnose it being sent here so i got this back a few minutes ago and this is what i heard back from the cdc, the developments in dallas are reason to double down on all efforts to make sure all medical care workers are properly trained and meticulously follow guidelines while triaging potential ebola patients or providing care to ebola patients. Any hospital in the u. S. Must be prepared, however as we continue our outreach efforts it may be prudent, it may be a prudent measure to suggest certain hospitals which have specifically Trained Personnel and which have exercised their Ebola Response plans thoroughly be prepared to zephyrs. So i am reading this assaying, yeah, that may be a good idea to once you have a diagnosed patient move them to these high schieffer to these four. And they have run through the drills, you know, in fairness to places like dallas and places all over the country, we have not run through these drills in the way these high risk centers have, so when do you make the mistakes . In the first couple of times you see the patient. Schieffer is it your surmise and again it cant be anything more at this point maybe what happened is this worker, this nurse took off the gloves or something and that is how this was you dont think this means there is some new mysterious way we didnt know about before . No, and i know dr. Frieden said the great thing, this is a great time not to have magical thinking, we have 40 years of treating go larks there is no evidence from a new england journal of review that this virus is any different than any of the previous viruses it is mutating or anything like that. We know that to protect the community it is a Public Health measure, so the individual patient sadly died in this case, but what protects a the community is the Public Health seasonal, isolating the person, making sure you track down their contacts and i have to say after some missteps at the beginning where the apartment wasnt clean and people werent moved out, the Healthcare System did a very good job of responding to this and in fact it only took 48 hours for the cdc to track down all 48 contacts. Schieffer we have to move on but let me just ask you this. My sense of it is probably dialysis might be the most dangerous part of this test. I agree with you. When i heard, and people are saying they didnt do a fullout effort, when i heard they gave him dialysis that involves probably people you are not seeing what that involves a lot of body filters and filtering the blood and intubation, breathing tube they went all out and potential to get exposed to fluids when you are doing these dangerous procedures. Schieffer dr. John la book, thank you so much, we will be back with our panel in just a minute. Schieffer time now for some analysis on all of this, peggy noonan, a columnist for the wall street journal, david ignatius, columnist for the Washington Post and we have Washington Bureau chief for usa today, susan page and david rohde of reuters. Peggy, you said you found secretary panettas book obnoxious. Yes, i did. Schieffer what did you think of his Performance Today . Nonobnoxious, actually i thought it was he said something important that gathered together some thoughts in his book and he said words that i think are going to prove to be memorable, a president needs the heart of a warrior, a president needs someone to feel passion and execute plans in a very personal and on the job and focused way. So i think he made that point rather strikingly, made his points about isis and the possible immediate for boots on the ground over there. I found the book itself to be obnoxiously partisan and frankly, ultimately, unhelpful in that way. I always want the older and more accomplished and impressive members of our government when they come forward and rightly share their thoughts in books and people are as, i always want them to be a little above the battle and appreciative of those that, they have had arguments with, so i thought he was impressive today. Schieffer i frankly dont agree with you on the first part of your analysis. I thought it was i found the book very helpful. David, what did you think . I thought we were seeing the real leon panetta, he is a passionate man when he said the president needs to have the heart of a warrior, when he said he needs to get in the ring and fight. That is leon panetta talking. But i think he does believe this is Barack Obamas last chance to be a decisive president. I think that is one explanation for this book that struck so many people as kind of an assault on the president in the white house. Panetta believes deep down that it is crucial that the president respond. He said one other thing that struck me today, which was the need for patience. This strategy has really just been out there a month, it is going to take some months to train up the people who can do the fighting in iraq and in syria to make the strategy work, and i did hear panetta, this strong, experienced voice saying be patient, wait for this to go forward, and i think he is saying people will be patient if they feel they have a strong, decisive warrior president who is telling them he knows what he is doing. Schieffer you know, as we were putting together this broadcast, you know, all, what t do we do first do, we do this or do we do that . And it occurs to me both of these stories are really about National Security in a very different way, but really both about the health and security of the American People. And, you know, i think both of these stories, the ebola virus and isis are feeding into a sense that americans have that the world is not only a dangerous place but the government is not competent to handle them. Even the secret service controversy i think contributes to that sense. I think it is a very dangerous thing for president obama, the sense that his administration is not competent to protect the American People, that is the most fundamental job of a u. S. President and i think it is a big factor in the midterm elections. I think it is increasingly that set of issues are contributing to a sense that republicans in particular are trying to tap as we go into these final weeks before the election. Schieffer do you get the sense and maybe congress ought to be in town dealing with all of this. People say well it is an election year, i always go back to 1964, they did some very, pretty important things in 1964, including passing the civil rights bill. Why isnt the congress here . Thats a good question and i agree there is sort of a growing feeling that the government cant handle this. One other trend that we discussed at reuters is is the white house is centralizing Decision Making we looked at syria and talked about this earlier, both republican and democratic 43s ae trying to control things, and you cant do that in a world where in one summer you have ebola crisis, you have the russians going into ukraine and you have this new crisis in syria, you have got to delegate to the cdc, the pentagon, you know, secretary panetta and the state department more and our politics are so savage, frankly, and unrelenting that the president is kind of getting the bunker mentality and thats what we are seeing. Schieffer well, if ever there were a case where everybody should come together, we have got a real problem here, i think it would be this ebola situation. You can disagree or agree on whether air strikes are helping, but i mean, disease, you know, the possibility that we may have, you know, some sort of epidemic, i dont think we are anywhere close to that right now but we could have. One would think that that is where the two sides would come together, peggy. Yes, it shouldnt be any means be a political argument or a partisan one. Susan mentioned the word competence, that there is an anxiety about the government being competent to handle these real assaults of ebola, isis, et cetera. It seems to me part of the competence question is connected to the word candor. I do think the American People hear the government talk and it incessantly talks and talks in a concentrated way from a few people 0 in the white house, as they hold on to their sort of concentrated power, but there is a lack of a sense in so many of these stories that you are getting it straight. That they are telling you really what they know, that they are telling you what you can do. There is always a sense, especially with the h ebola thig that they are trying to keep you calm and it has that patronizing sound of we dont want you Little People to get nervous. Look, nobody wants the American Public to get nervous but we would all be less nervous if we had a sense we were getting it straight from our governmental bodies. Schieffer . You know, i think people do want to hear the truth. I am struck, i read something this week that said the virus is multiplaying on virus time. It grows exponentially, it is 2,000, 48, 8,000, and our response is growing on program time, during bureau tick time, and there is a mismatch on clocks, one is running real fast and one is running normal speed. Wrong this has been politicized, thank goodness, i do think that government officials are worried about panicking the country which is not a crazy fear given some of the responses you see. So they need to be careful, they dont want to talk down to people. They want to be candid, but they need to be careful not to fuel a public panic. So but i think that the deeper problem is until you get the two clocks in sync and then slow virus time this is really going to look like it is out of control. But if they dont seem more candid. I mean i understand your point about panic but they have to seem like they are telling the truth by telling the truth, then there will be no paranoia and sense of oh we are not getting it straight. They are not telling us. It is really a part of people, keeping people calm is being candid with them. So maybe we need more leon panettas who, despite the criticism this week of leon panetta for writing a book that is critical of the president still in office, it seemed to me one leon panetta has a long question, he, you ask him a question and he gives you the answer and it gives people reassurance in the government. Leon panetta makes a point there is onefourth of Barack Obamas presidency to go, his presidency is not over. We have got two more, two more years, and i think he is making the case that it is possible to change course on some of these things that reason so problematic on the centralization of power that david talks about, on the failure to listen to other points of views and sometimes to talk an issue to death instead of to acting decisively and that seemed to be part of his motivation. David, you were about to say . Well, the feedback from the Administration Officials as we are going the story is there a is a feeling both for george w. Bush and barack obama that the smallest of cake is going to be pounced on by your political opponents and they are just going to ravage you, and that the nature of 0 our politics now, frankly complain about the media, the 247 onslaught, the instant need for an instant position, it is very hard for them to handle, and they are afraid of taking risk and i think that is very bad for our system, you know, in the longterm. Schieffer david, you made, wrote a column this week suggesting, and i am must say i am sort of hearing the same thing but not from many sources the president may be looking at making some staff changes after the election. He would not be the first real estate to do this about halfway into his second term. No, in fact, leon panetta is a perfect example of how a president who is in real trouble, bill clinton was in terrible trouble in 1994. His white house was a mess. He had a very nice genial man mchardy and he brought in leon panetta who cracked the whip and said everybody reports to the president through me and thats it. There is going to be no more separate deals and the Clinton White house began to calm down so it shows what he can do. George w. Bush did it the same way with josh bolton in the second term so i think this white house is thinking we have two more years, how do we get enough intellectual capital to deal with what we know are huge problems. We have talked about isis, ebola, thats just the beginning, china, and so i think they are looking, i think they are trying to think who are the people who would help, be bring in retired general allen, marine general, widely respected is the first sign of what you will see a lot more of after the november election. Schieffer and also Ronald Reagan made some significant changes in his white house. Wholesale during and after irancontra, oh, my goodness, everybody got canned and very serious and substantive people took their jobs and these were people who could push back very seriously against anything they didnt like. I understand what everybody is saying about maybe the president will make personnel changes. I rarely disagree with that, but my sense is, as david says, if you dont change the procedures that are not working it is not going to matter so much. Schieffer what do you mean. The new people. If everything is coming out of the white house and the executive agencies are lacking autonomy and premium and become, therefore, passive vessels with names of subject like energy, et cetera, if it is left like that, even a change of personnel wont work, if the president eases up and lets the agencies come back, help develop policy, it gives people people outside a very small circle a voice that will help him. Schieffer does the president simply need to talk to more people . I think he needs to talk to more people and he needs to talk to more people who will talk back to him and one of the things we have seen is that the people with the greatest standing to talk back to him have left, you know, hillary clinton, bob gates, leon panetta, and they have been replaced by and large with people who are, tend to be more loyalists and people who, whose stature comes from him. So i think it makes him more reluctant to disagree with him when he might be considering a big decision. And, you know, besides the problems he is facing he is going to have a different senate, a different congress, most likely, after the november midterms, he is likely to have a Republican Controlled Senate and that is going to be something that i think propels as well changes in the administration to try to make these last two years something that really count. Schieffer well, lets talk about that a little bit. Do you agree that republican coddle senate i think george w. Bush got shell lacked in 2006 election and made major changes as well the president needs to talk to more people and also delegate more, but again when we brought up sort of specific issues we had someone, some former official admitted the white house now watches Embassy Security worldwide in the wake of benghazi and obviously there is a huge controversy about benghazi they see it as an honest mistake as, where they let the state department handle it and a tragic event happened and they said we cannot delegate but i think they need to delegate and they need to sort of fire people if things go wrong. The president has been hesitant to clean house, he should delegate and remove people if they are not doing that their job. Schieffer quickly. I think the president will be wise to bring in some prominent republicans among the new talent that he brings in after the november elections. He is likely to face a Republican House and senate. He has got to deal with that reality, and if he is going to govern amidst this crisis he needs allies that will help him get things accomplished. Schieffer thanks to all of you, i want to thank you and we will be back in just a minute. Schieffer finally today, in an interview for cbs this morning, state Department Correspondent Margaret Brennan sat down with ed and paula kassig the parents of american hostage peter kassig who after converting to islam now goes by abdulrahman kassig, asked about their efforts to bring their son home. We are hoping that if not directly word will get to them indirectly that we are doing everything we can to secure his release. Have his captors asked for anything . No. No demand. The they simply demand. And they are, and their demands . Have always been ones that we cannot accommodate. It is just beyond what is reasonable in terms of money, in terms of your power . Right. In both cases, yes. And we have sent them back messages that we cannot do what you ask. We have tried, but we dont have the power to do it. Please be merciful. He is your brother. He is your brother in the faith. Schieffer there will be more of margarets interview tomorrow on cbs this morning and we will be right back. A remote that lives more wifi in more places. A Movie Library you can take wherever you go. Internet speeds that have gotten faster 13 times in 12 years. The innovators and inventors at comcast labs are creating more possibilities for more people every day. Comcast. Bringing media and Technology Together for you. Schieffer and thats all the time we have for today. We want to thank you for watching face the nation. We will see you next week. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org the smartest or nothing. The quietest or nothing. The sleekest. Sexiest,. Baddest,. Safest,. Tightest,. Quickest,. Harshest. Or nothing. 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