stamps. the benefits program also known as s.n.a.p. the new rule makes it harder for states to wave s.n.a.p.'s work requirements in areas with high unemployment. the administration says the move will encourage self-sufficiency, because you know, making people go hungry will somehow get them jobs. joining me now, the chairman of the campaign. bishop barber, we know this will impact 680,000 people who lose their benefits. it's a $5.8 billion reduction in spending over the next five years, which doesn't amount to a whole lot of money when compared to the budget. it's going to affect 39.7 million people received s.n.a.p. benefits in 2018. it was $64.9 billion in government spending and the average monthly benefit is only $255. it's almost no money in the actual budget, but it's really going to hurt people. what do you make of this policy? >> it's another policy rooted in the lies of extremism, that somehow, if you take food away from people that need it, that