i grabbed the m-4. >> katelyn was talking about the gun she had ready. a nine millimeter pistol and an m-4 rifle and james? he had a ballistic missile as he walked out to reach todd's daughter. >> i had a 9 millimeters around me and i know how to use it extremely well. here is james's memory of a confrontation that's so tent, it sounded surreal. >> they hid behind todd and rachel's children. >> he had ariel on his arm and don had alex? his arms. >> we are afraid you are going to shoot them. >> perhaps. i can't remember whether or not todd went to the door with the kids or i went to the door. he was a human shield, she was going to stop the bullets,