document, that would be the height of recklessness and irresponsibility and gravely damaging to u.s. national security interests, and i think everybody should be outraged, if that is what occurred. >> if that is what occurred though, you and i have struggled for the last five years to figure out where the checks and balances have been in this administration, and what we did learn is there were people in the intelligence infrastructure, in the defense department, who were whistle-blowers, who did say enough is enough, and this is dangerous. i would assume this would be a trigger, right? this that happened, would we know? would we know if donald trump had declassified information that by being declassified would have posed a national security risk to america? would we ever find out that's true? >> who knows what documents he might have taken out of the white house, and clearly there were some, that's why the fbi and the d.o.j. are going after this. but there is supposed be a record of every document that was declassified. and what i'm hearing from the trump people is that well, it wasn't recorded.