Mart that was burned down on the very first night of protests. A small element of looters and rioters. For the most part the protests and everyone here will tell you have been peaceful. There have been a few bottles thrown at the edges. Today has been an entirely peaceful undertake and the frrn the change today is that last night at 11 00 at night eastern time, 10 00 central, as the images were being broadcast around the world, they were reaching the white house. They were reaching the office of the governor, jay nixon, in missouri, reaching up and down the political order and across the world and people realized that something had to change. And so today, there is some change. Heres one thing youll notice. If you look at, youll see hardly any Police Presence here. Last night, on this corner, there were massive armored vehicleses about 70 Police Officers in s. W. A. T. Gear just up here and in camouflage. Tonight, look around, youll see hardly any police and youll also see some very, very dangerous elements here. Some possible looters. Some folks you really, really, need to protect wrouyoure from right over here. This is actually a pretty good image of what these protests have been. They are not the image necessarily that has been shown, i think, on the media thus far. So, last night, a lot of questions about the absence of the governor, or the absence of the president , in fact, so we got today all ranks of officialdom weighing in. The president of the United States had this to say. There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. Theres also no excuse for police to use Excessive Force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights. I know that emotions are raw right now in ferguson. And there are certainly passionate differences about what has happened. There are going to be different accounts of how this tragedy occurred, difference in terms of what needs to happen going forward. Ive asked the attorney general and u. S. Attorney on the scene continue to work with local officials to move that process forward. They will be reporting to me in the coming days about whats being done to make sure that happened. Not just the president , it was attorney general holder who issued a statement saying the department was offering Technical Assistance to local authorities to help conduct crowd control and maintain Public Safety without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force. And then there was the governor. Today, the governor announced a press conference after taking a lot of heat last night on social media and in the press for his absence. Late last night, he issued a statement saying he was canceling his events at the state fair today. He had a press Conference Today and announced a change in leadership over the security situation here in ferguson, missouri. Today, im announcing that the missouri Highway Patrol under the supervision of captain ron johnson who grew up in this area will be directing the team that provides security in ferguson. What im announcing today does not affect the responsibility of those involved in the investigation. And i would once again like to thank general holder, for agreeing to my re quest that the Justice Department conduct a parallel investigation into this matter. I was at that press conference with Governor Nixon and asked when the police are planning to release the name of Police Officer who shot mike brown and whether missouri law compelled them to do so. Governor, the aclu has filed for an open records request for the incident report that will contain the name of the officer who shot mike brown. It seems pretty clear under state law that that is an open record. Should that be released . First of all, i dont know the name of the officer is, im not conducting either of the investigations. I spent a better part of my career doing that sort of stuff i mean, does Missouri State law tsh. What i dont want to get into a debate about what the law is or is not other than to say i would hope that the appropriate security around it, if necessary to make sure that theres not additional acts of violence be done as expeditiously as possible. Were going to talk more about the efforts by these protests and many others to get the name of that officer who believes it should be public information. But we also should note a real difference tonight. I said it at the top. The atmosphere here is very, very different. Every Single Person ive talked to who was here last night and was here tonight says the difference in the lack of Police Presence, it was just a few hours ago that a nonviolent, very peaceful march was led down this street right here which has been the main site of protest. And at the front of it was captain ron johnson of the state Highway Patrol. The man that was announced as being the director of security today. He was hugging people. He was apologizing to people on behalf of the police for what happened last night. Joining me now to talk about what things feel like tonight, versus last night, i have dr. Steph stephan, a professor. It feels as though 1,000 pounds have been lifted off my shoulders. I feel great. You . Like i said, theres a difference between what you saw last night and what you see tonight. Tonight you see people able to walk around while breathing. Last night, they had some problems with that. So it doesnt look militarized as it did yesterday. Theres also a sense here tonight, i means people seem like they arent scared. And you can feel the difference because you could see the people i mean, i had journalists, some journalists who have been in war zones tweeting out photos like, i do not like looking down the barrel of a gun. People are expressing their right to asystsemble and speak t theyre feeling. Theyre so happy not to be intimidated by Police Officers. After three nights of tear gas and rubber bullets,express oursd thats what these young people want. Let me layer r clarify, ther fear last night. People holding up their hands saying, dont shoot, theyre not afraid anymore. Theyre not afraid. The fear was things could continue the way they were going, so theyre not afraid anymore. What do you mean by that, continue the way theyre going . Well, the reason why this happened, of course, what set it off is the death of mike brown jr. But this had been stewing, this had been boiling over for a long time. It was a perfect storm for Something Like this to happen. The only surprise is that it didnt happen sooner. Do all of you here, do you feel like you all have a story about an interaction with a cop that made you want to come out here tonight . You all feel that way. How routine is that . The first interaction i had with a Police Officer that was no fault of my own, i was 15 years old, leaving my school and they decided they want to start macing and tasing us. The next altercation, a firefighter in my school allowed us to stand on a truck. A Police Officer walked up with his gun drawn, yelling us telling us we needed to get off the truck, we had no business being there. We were in the wrong. Basically kind of treating us like criminals. When i was 21, i left a party and got assaulted with a baton. He said i was in his way. That was his excuse for doing it. That sounds to the folks ive been talking to line that fairly routine. One of the things also i think maybe have been getting the wrong impression is that my sense, i was just looking at the fbi statistics, is that ferguson is not a very violent place. Right . Its not we are not talking about a place that is extremely crime ridden, people are afraid to walk outside in which theres tremendous amounts of gang violence. That is not the case. People are happy here, and were integrated. A lot of people want to make this a race issue, but white and black have been fighting and protesting together in peace for six days now. And so its completely contrary to what people are wanting to express nationally. We are working together as a money, as a family. We have new family members now because of what weve gone through for the last six days. Senator, i got to get your response because you tweeted some frustration and anger directed at the governor. Yes, i did. The governor has been absent from the minority communities for decades now and only comes to youre all nodding your head. Yeah. This is how my constituents feel. Hes cut s. N. A. P. Benefits and done other things to take away privileges and benefits for the minority community. He just vetoed a bill helping minorities who need help in education opportunities. Hes done so many Different Things, and he only comes to this community when its politically expedient. And so i say to him that hes a coward. And heres the other ore dole. T the other part of this is weve wanted to express ourselves for such a long time. This is the governors katrina. He still has not come to ground zero. Hes been in a municipality to the north of us, a municipality to the south of us, but he has not been at ground zero, just like george bush was not at ground zero when we had katrina. This is about young people. This fight is only about young people and them being respected and having dignity and being able to succeed and thrive. These young people finally have an opportunity to express themselves, get rid of the anger and the hurt that theyve had in their hearts for a very long time. So thats why ive been standing with the young people because they are the victims and the governor has only assisted in their victimization in the last six days. And i thank him for finally coming to the vicinity, but he needs to come to ground zero where people are hurting and crying. I should say we invited the governor to talk. I would love to have the governor on at any point. Tomorrow, ill be here. So, the question is, okay, what what is next here, right . So, were not like, i think everybody everybody you guys were here, but let me tell you outside, around the world, from seattle to kurdistan, people were looking at these images saying what the hell is going on . Why is this happening . Why is this happening . Hopefully were not going to see that anymore. What well, these thing, this can be any town in the United States. These kinds of things have been cooking, like i said, for a long time. You antehave a situation where you have 70 of the population is africanamerican, but the police force, theres three africanamericans and 50 caucasian americans. You cant have a situation like that. The amount of citations and stops for at the baseline of all of this, there are things that point to that. Since black people have been moving to the county, they have been experiencing these kinds of problems. How take me through the trajectory of the way this county has changed if i was here 20 years ago or 10 years ago. Yeah, well, all of this has to with deindustrialization, with when black people were finally able to afford to move to different kinds of neighborhoods. They were able to move to the county. When they moved to the county, white people started moving out of the county. This is a universal truth about humans is that they just want to get to the suburbs. Well, they want to get to a place where they can have good schools. Where they can live have a yard. All those sorts of things. Thats what this represented for folks that were moving out of st. Louis and out of other areas around here. Absolutely. When you think about these young people, one of the things im glad youre here and its designed the way we have these young people behind us it the images of the young people going out around the world havent always been so positive. When talk about mike brown, the Police Officer had an image in his head of what black men are. I wouldnt say that these young people represent that kind of image. And most of the young people around here dont. So i think thats very important. Im part of the young citizens council. Thats one of the major things were trying to push is the idea that young people, you ask whats going to happen next, maybe well find out what the name of the officer was that shot mike brown. Is that important to you . I think thats crucial. Essential. If we can have if we can have a dead body on the street for hour, find out the name of every looter, socalled looter around here, if we can find at all that kind of stuff, why cant we find out the name of man that the people pay . Thats a crucial thing. The second after that, youre going to need to improve the police force with regard to racial diversity and by that i mean hiring black people. See how many black folks i had someone tell me about going for a traffic stop in ferguson, and showing up at traffic court, and he was the only white guy in traffic court. And that i think i read that half of the revenue of the municipality is coming from traffic stops. And also, chris wait, i just want everyone in america to think about that, think about government that has nothing but an incentive to squeeze you for as many traffic stops as possible then layer on top of that the fact you have st. Louis county. Right. There are some objectives were looking at. First, we do need dashboard cameras. Thats what was missing in this entire case. Thats why my constituents have such distrust in the police right now. The next thing, we have to work on institutionalization. Racism within institutions. As i said before, the community is sbr intertwined, integrated. Not at the top. Not at the top. Other thing we have to focus on, every Police Officer should have a relationship with residents where they are not in fear and that is what has been missing the entire time. And they also need diversity training and changing the composition of the Police Department. I think those are some objectives. Where to we want to start . I think the need for training is something that is now unanimously been seen by everyone in the world. One more thing, citizens review board is crucial that the people who are paying for these Police Officers have to have some sort of oversight over the authorities. Its not a militarized place. Civilians run the show. Absolutely. Professor stephan bradley, thank you very much. State senator marie that chapelle nadal. Stick around. Well be right back. So ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts . Thats right. Its just that im worried about you know hidden things. Ok, whys that . No hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. Protesters returning to the scene where last night there was so much Intense Police force. Tonight barely a Police Officer to be seen. And a kind of joyful ecstatic scene. People with their hands up in what has become the universal sign of protest in the wake of mike browns death. 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For me, when you see your niece, if you can tell that captain johnson apologizes and says hes sorry. All right. Im back here in ferguson, missouri. What you just saw is the man appointed by the governor to head up security at the scene after the, frankly, disaster that was the last several days. Im here with major robinson of the st. Louis city police force. As a member of Law Enforcement, what was your thoughts when you saw what was going down here the last few nights . The last few nights i wasnt here. Just watching it from television, listening, watching the news, everything that was going on, i saw a cry for help. My agency, chief saw a cry for help. We need to take an approach and get out here and listen to the people and find out exactly whats going on and what theyre feeling. Tragic incident. The platform that started, what got us to this point, needs to be focused on and the attention was going away from that issue. Were out here communicating with the people, talking to the people and giving them the nushishment that they need. This community is crying out for help. Its an ill situation. And were out here to do the best we can to bring peace to the community. Do you do you have trust, you know, there has long been discussion of the sort of wall of blue, and the kind of solidarity between members of Law Enforcement when something happens to their own, particularly when one of their own commits an act that might be the wrong thing to do. Do you have trust and faith were going to get accountability and a fair and full investigation of what happened . Oh, yes. Yes. The world spotlight is here now. These people have accomplished, i believe there was an entity involved with this incident and right within this crowd that wanted National Attention and ended up getting world attention. I think transparency, justice will prevail in this case. Everybodys got their eye on st. Louis and whats going to happen in ferguson, missouri, on this issue. All the entities as far as Law Enforcement is coming together. The governor has made it clear he wants it to be fair and professional and my chief put it out here to make sure thats going to happen. One more question on this. Is it ever acceptable for an officer of the law to point a weapon, point a weapon at an unarmed peaceful protester . No. Unless that officer is in fear of their life or to keep peace. Other than that, no, sir, you have the right to protest peacefully. If they want to protest peacefully 24 hours a day, thats mawhats going to happen jermaine lee, you and i spoke on the phone last night as you were wiping the tear gas out of your system. Whats your reaction to the scene right now . Its distinctly different from last night when the militarized vehicles lined up and essentially drew a line in the sand over there. Protesters had no choice but to go face to face with these officers. Now the mood seems much lighter. Yesterday, it was so tense, you could cut it with a knife. Something has been won, something has been achieved. The victory is we dont have 70 people in s. W. A. T. Camouflage gear and armored personnel carriers. Because at first people wanted their voices to be heard, wa wanted a protest. They want a full, thorough investigation. What they got in trying to voice their opinions and voice how they feel was officers with m16s, sniper rifles on top of militarized armored vehicles, which exacerbated the attention. See horns honking, people with their fists, hands in the air. We dont want to speak too soon, too quickly, but the mood is completely different now than what it was yesterday. We should note some of the worst stuff thats gone down in the reaction has happened after nightfall. Theres been a difference in Police Response to what happens during the day and what happens during the night. We are now, you know, heading into nightfall. It does seem, though, it is palpab palpable, right . The message as fwogone from on high, probably from the white house, since president obama spoke to jay nixon today, no more. Right. The president said its a time for healing and time for peace. And it always has only been a small segment of the protesters that wanted to voice their opinions violently, aggressively. Most people ive come across, were peaceful. Now its senator mccaskill saying its a new day, president obama saying its a time for healing. Attorney general eric holder weighing in for the second time. It seems that penetrated. Again, lets wait for nightfall. Lets see what happens then. And to me, its also about now we are shifting into a broader conversation of lets a not lose sight of the facts of the matter of mike brown. We now have three witnesses, three witnesses who give very similar accounts from three different points of view that this was a man who was shot prone with his hands up and killed and shot multiple times by a Police Officer. Qulo you know, if thats half true, there is very serious legal accountability that has to be faced. Certainly. Because of all the uproar here, what theyre calling ground zero, we are forgetting what brought us here in the first place was the shooting death of an unarmed teenager. And if you listen to their accounts, its pretty horrific, fwripi ing gripping stuff that the officer grabbed him through the drivers side according to one witness. A single shot from inside the car which might explain why theres a shell casing inside the car. When the young man run, officer trails him, pops off several more shots while his hands are in the air. Some may be in the back. As long as the Police Department holds close to the vest the information of the autopsy result one young man just rode down the street on horseback which is not something you see every day. Its a new day. Yeah. That would not have been happening last night. I think its fair to say. And i think also theres been a so the question now is, where does this go locally . And then also, the fact that mike brown is one of four young africanamerican men shot and killed by Police Officers, i think in the last ten day, if im not mistaken. Because the media has honed in and focused on ferguson, missouri, the same way we had in sanford and across the country. Look at eric garner a few weeks ago in new york city. Talking about on high. President obama is my brothers keeper. Its high time to start evaluating how do we as a society value the lives of young black men . Cases like this exemplify it. Ends with a young man dead. Jermaine lee, doing outstanding reporter for msnbc. Com. I appreciate it. 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Its just that simple you feel like as soon as you cross a certain border, youre a target . Youre a target. Exactly. The second you cross the border. What are those interactions like when you get pulled over . Well, some of them have been positive, but most negative. Sometimes i was in the wrong, but each time i was stopped, i should not have been stopped. Sometimes i didnt have a drivers license and things one right. You know, but each time i was stopped just for being black. My license plates was right. I wasnt speeding. And i was just stopped and there it is. Thank you so much, michael willis. No problem. Thank you. Take care, man. Ill be back with much more from ferguson, missouri, right after this break. [ woman ] if you have moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis like me, and youre talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic. This is humira. This is humira helping to relieve my pain. This is humira helping me lay the groundwork. 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Whether there will be accountability for that overwhelming force. We got an answer. We wants to look forward, not back. Ma in terms of looking forward, the mood tonight is completely 180 degrees different. Theres a jubilation in the air. There are police intermingled in the crowd. They are talking to people. There is not a single s. W. A. T. Team in sight. Theres not a single armored personnel carrier. Theres not a Single Police gun unsheathed in sight. To give you a sense of how Different Things are, we just saw a man riding a horse down the middle of this street which last night would have ended in a very, very, very ugly situation. All right. Here to talk to me now, i have patricia bond, democratic committeewoman for ferguson township, and john gaskin, spokesperson and naacp. Committeewoman, what to you think of jay nixons response today in this press conference . I think the governor he could have done a little better. I dont think he held himself very much for getting love and respect from fis this community right now. The relationship is a complicated and tortured one. Your eyes bugged out when you said that. Yes, it is. Im not going to lie, yes, there is. We dont feel like were represented. The africanamerican vote always feels like its taken for granted, were supposed to come through democrats, but we dont always get what we need from the party. Do you feel thats the case with this fwomgovernor . Yes. I should say youre a democratic committeewoman from here. Im getting you in trouble right now. I think im representing my people very well. Ive been out here every night with them and out here to make sure things are going like they should be going in the community. And its my job to voice those concerns up higher. Can i ask you a question . So weve all been hearing this statistic, this little township of 2010 people, is 2 3 africanamerican, and 1 3 caucasian more or less. Its got a white mayor, basically an all White City Council except for one member. Whats going on . Like, are folks not voting . How does that work . Its classic disenfranchisement of the Africanamerican Community. Look at the socioeconomic makeup of the Africanamerican Community here. Theyre low income, so most people are worried about can i get a job, can i get to work, what am i going to have to eat on the table . When that election day tuesday comes around, its not im going to vote, its i need to go to work. So thats how people dont wind up voting and the ones who are in a better socioeconomic place, they own homes and theyre going to vote and theyre going to ask for decisions that are going to be in their best interest which are not of the majority of the population. Youre saying theres a huge divide between who knows up how vote in ferguson local elections between people of color and white folks basically . Basically. Thank you. Yes. John, what was your reaction to some of the comments . Im curious what your the president s comments today about this. How you reacted. Well, were so happy to see that president obama used the power of his office to finally speak out about this. As you know, hes been noted to speak out about police brutality, especially with the Trayvon Martin case. Do you really feel like he spoke out today . I think he made a statement. That seems i think he made a statement. What happens further down the road as this case, you know, goes on, and what he views as power of office with the Justice Department, it remains to be seen. But comment on what you said about Governor Nixon, were finally happy that he finally decided to make st. Louis county and north county a priority because honestly weve been put on the back burner for way too long. It sounds like the governor is sort of based his support geographically sort of in the far suburbs of st. Louis, where hes from, kind of st. Louis. You feel like this area has not gotten much attention. Correct. Basically they feel the urban area is going to come out and vote democrat anyway and have to work for the rural votes. Certainly feel like the africanamericans are going to vote democratic. So i think that this is what happens when we know that we dont get what we need from a governor, someone in a power of position to help us. Senator Claire Mccaskill was down here today. She was talking to demonstrators. What did you think of her reaction . I really appreciate senator Claire Mccaskill. I think shes awesome. I love the fact of what she said, the way it is moderate and makes sense. We have to do common sense things and look at whats going on here. Senator mccaskill talking about rolling back the militarization were seeing of this very small Police Department. I think part of whats so shocking to everyone was to see the gear in the hands of a Police Department that has at last i checked 55 officers, is that correct . Something like that. And then the question becomes, you know, ultimately here is about political empowerment. Do you think this is a kind of Tipping Point for a kind of political sensibility . Like, are these people who are here being politicized in this moment . Are they seeing the kind of way power works in this place and how it can be changed . I think tonight, i think people have had a wakeup call. They see that when you get your message out there, when you use your voice, i think this is going to be a real encouragement for folks to make it out in november. Absolutely. Im a democratic committeewoman. I have to do my job. The answer is going to be yes by the time i get finished. H thank you, both. Patricia bynes, john, thanks a lot. Hi, youre on the phone. I cant talk to you now. No, no, i have to go to break. Shes on the phone. Thats why im going to go to break. So factors like diet can negatively impact good bacteria . Even if youre healthy and active. 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Liz brown, a local columnist no st. Louis. You joined me last night. Weve been talking about weve kind of been working out in circles about issue here. Theres the interaction that happened in that moment. Where that Police Officer, it appears, from the facts as we know them, had a conception of who these people were. That he was ordering to get off the street. Again, this is according to eyewitness testimony. Right. And then it goes out to what that police force looks like and goes out to what the structure of thissen en tcounty looks lio north county, missouri. The fact of the matter, in los angeles, new york, you have a Police Department in new york thats majority nonwhite and eric garner is still on the ground. So what were looking at here is something thats systemic, something that is broad, thing sth that is nationwide. So theres a terrible overlap in this. That is that tracy martin, Trayvon Martins father was scheduled to already be here. Hes going to be here on sunday. Three weeks ago, he agreed to come here for an event that was going to be celebrating nonviolence in this community and now hes coming here in the wake of yet another young black man being dead under really, really terrible circumstances. And so it says something about, you know, the fact that this can happen anywhere, that this particular instance were talking about something that happened in ferguson, missouri. What were also looking at what happened in staten island. Were looking at what happened in san tofordsanford. What happened in dearborn heights, michigan. This is a nationwide problem. If you had to say what the problem is, in a sentence, what is the problem. The fundamental problem i think is the inability to recognize the humanity of africanamericans. When we look at the person who is walking down the street, when we believe that this person is someone other than a citizen, that this person is not entitled to the fundamental rights and respect that any other citizen would be entitled to, and therefore the interaction takes a different direction. Is it a belief or is it a sort of set of kind of subconscious prejudices upon which a whole bunch of institutional actors are acting . Ive known a lot of Police Officers in my life and know a lot of them have its a cantwin job many times. You were called upon, a Police Officer all the time, to essentially litigate things you can a adjudicate disputes you cant. It seems to me theres subconscious and institutional things working through people rather than an affirmative belief. Thats why we hire professionals, if youre a professional, youre supposed to be an exacting standard at which you perform your tasks, perform your professional tasks. When people fail to meet that as in the instance here, there can be tragic catastrophic outcomes. Nobody is going to say human beings are perfect or flawless, but we do expect when problems break down again and again and again, not randomly but particular communities time and time again, this is not just a minority of human error, a matter of a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. How many summers do we have to have rallies about dead people who are at the hands of police oar the hands of subauthorized police like Trayvon Martin . We cant look at this and say, okay, this is coincidental. Liz, missouri obviously is an interesting case geographically, both of the south and of the midwest. Exactly. Do you feel like things have gotten better here in the time youve been living here . What is the trajectory in terms of relations between the community and the policemen, general sort of empowerment and full citizenship across the border . Of course, nothing has gotten better since ive been here. Wait a second, wait a second. Of course, of course, really of course . Absolutely of course. And all you have to look at for evidence are the things that are happening 2014 are the things that were happening in 1995. Things happening in 2014 were happening in 1985. Things have not gotten better. What we have here right now is we finally reached, maybe, maybe the good news is maybe weve reached our bottom. Maybe thats where we are right now. What you have in missouri in this region, look with happened when Martin Luther king was execu executed, right . All over the region, people rioted. St. Louis did not. East st. Louis, chicago, they all rioted. St. Louis remains silent in that. You have years and decades and decades of pent up nonaddressed issues of how people are being treated within our community. No. No, no, no, no, things are not better. Do you feel that way nationally, that things are not better . I think what we have is a paradox of progress. We see on the one hand the ability to elect an africanamerican ft. The attorney general of the u. S. And the president today both issuing statements on this, that the chief Law Enforcement officers of the country. Right. And have a false even handedness in both of the statements. We saw what president obama said and attorney general holder said and in both of those instances it made it people, hold on one second. I want to direct camera over here. Theres a Police Car Driving down the main street here. Folks have rallied to its side. They are holding their hand up. Whoa. Did we just are we good . Did we just lose our feed . Were feed . Were good. Were good. You see folks putting their hands up in the gesture, universal gesture of protest. Things are calming down. I didnt mean to cut you off. The manner in which people are policed makes a huge difference, because you, last night the tension was incredibly thick. 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It seems like people are fed up, frustrated and angry and out mere and theyre upset. It doesnt seem like what are the demands and what happens next . Well, your option investigation about that is doesnt feel organized speaks to the honesty of the emotion thats going on right now. It seems to the fact that this is real. These are the circumstances that people have lived under for decades and decades. In terms of what happen, i done know. I dont know what can happen at this point because of the lack of organization. Wro when you dont have organizational structure, sometimes direction is missing, so i dont know what can happen, but what i hope will happen in this is the effort of people to find out, reach out and come to an organized place. What do you want to see happen . You say i want what . What do up so see happen . Ive already seen what i want to see. Ive seen my people out here standing up for something we never stood up for. Thats what i want to see. I see happiness. I see were doing something for a change. Hands up, dont shoot. Hands up dont shoot allying cry, based on the eyewitness testimony weve gotten from three different witnesses about the shooting death of mike brown, tragic shooting death of an 18yearold unarmed teenager just a block and a half away, who it appears based on witness testimony, one of the witnesses i interviewed was holding his hand in the air in the universal posture of supplication and submission when he was shot. Thats not been confirmed by the independent investigation that are going on. There are two independent investigations at the moment. The fbi is conducting one. As well as local st. Louis county prosecutors office. We still on this day do not know the name of the officer. We do know the names of people that have been looting or have been accused of looting. We have their mugshots. There is genuine frustration and anger around here about the fact that there is a mismatch in who is being identified and who is not being identified. As i brought up with the governor today, in the press conference, its fairly clear that under missouri open records law, the name of that officer which was contained in the incident report that was filed when mike brown was killed, that name is in that incident report and that incident report is as a matter of law a public open record. Local police in ferguson have expressed, and i think very sincere concerns about the safety of that officer given the amount of anger and frustration that has built up here. Governor nixon today when i asked him about precisely this, at first tiseemed to hedge and later indicated hed like to see it be done expeditiously and indicated there are concerns about safety, those concerns about safety can be taken. Of course, as the days go by, theres also a vacuum created by the absence of the name of this officer. You begin to see it filled by social media. You begin to see rumors going around and groups saying theyve hacked the Police Office and names whispered among the crowd. It seems to me far safer if that name is made public and all efforts are made to make sure that that man, of course, accorded due process and representation and full accounting of the law is protected and can face the law with his head held high as a fellow citizen. Right now, sun is setting here in ferguson, missouri. As we said, its a very different scene. You see folks coming out. There are a lot of more people who are tonight than there were last night. That probably due to the fact that they are not facing down, looking at snipers, training guns on them. There are no armored personnel carriers or zchl w. A. T. Teams in camouflage. There are police mingling among the crowd, folks handing out food. There are Young Children here, people handing out water. Its a very, very different scene and looks like the america all of us wished we were seeing last night. That does it for this special edition for all in, and well be back live again at 11 00. We hand it over to rachel maddow. Totally peming. Awesome to have you on the scene many. Best hour of chris hayes television ive ever seen. Amazing stuff. Kent, ohio, may 4th, 1970. That was the Third Straight night of protests at the campus in kent, ohio. The protests had been escalating each of those past threw nights. There had been some violence at the protests. Pressure was really building in kent, ohio, by the time may 4th, 1970 rolled around. But the pressure in a larger sense had alsoee