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Todays crisis. When the pound goes down, more people are coming to turnberry, frankly. And the american parallels. What todays massive victory for rightwing nationalism tells us about clinton versus trump. I would build a wall bigger, better, stronger, than any wall. Nobody comes in. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. One of the most seismic events in recent World History just took place last night. A geopolitical earthquake that will send shock waves through the International Community and Global Financial markets for years to come. This morning we woke up to a brave new world. After Great Britain voted in a referendum to leave the European Union marking the first of 28 Member States ever to do so. In choosing brexit, british exit from the eu, voters rejected the council of elites. Political leaders and Economic Experts the world over, including their own Prime Minister, the bank of england, the british treasury, the International Monetary fond, nobel prizewinning economists, and president obama who made his case in person against brexit in a visit to the uk in april now here we are. The whole world at this moment careening out into uncharted territory. Tonight were going to be talking about how this happened, where britain goes from here what all this tells us about our own politics in the u. S. First we want to take a moment to absorb what just happened in the uk and try to understand what it means. Very few people expected this day to come. Polls had showed a slight edge for staying in the eu on the eve of the referendum, while betting markets heavily favored the remain side. But in the end the margin was surprisingly wide, with britons leave by 42 to 48 . While the majority of voters in the capital city of london voted to remain, strong majorities in england and wales opted to leave lift paid coalition of largely older and whiter voters with fewer years of education. In the cold light of day some of those leave voters were stunned by the magnitude of what they had just done. Im shocked that we actually have voted to leave. I didnt think that was going to happen. My vote i didnt think was going to matter, i thought we were going to remain. The period of uncertainty were going to have, i think thats been magnified now. Yeah, quite worried. The reality is hitting in and the regrets are filling in actually that we have actually left eu. Very disappointed. The whole family this morning, even though a majority of us voted to leave, we are actually regretting it today. It will take a process of two years give or take for the uk to fully terminate its eu membership. Already some massive changes are under way starting with the collapse of the current government under Prime Minister David Cameron. I will do everything i can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months. But i do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination. Cameron will leave office by october and the process to pick his successor yet to be determined. Meanwhile, leaders in scotland, which voted to remain, are seeking a second vote on independence from the uk. Northern ireland too could consider leaving Great Britain and eventually joining with a united ireland. By the time the uks actually out of the eu it might look like an entirely different country, it might be several different countries, some of them part of the eu, while the uk remains outside. Global Financial Markets plummeted today essentially across the board over uncertainty. Not everyone thinks this was such a bad outcome. Guardian reports that russia and iran are delighting in the rejection of the eu. Farright leaders including frances Marine Le Pen hailed the results calling on their own nations to follow Great Britains example. Donald trump visiting one of his golf courses in scotland today predicted a broader turn toward nationalism across the continent. People want to take their country back. They want to have independence in a sense. And you see it with europe. Youre going to have more than just, in my opinion, more than just what happened last night. Youre going to have i think many other cases where they want to take their borders back, they want to take their monetary back, they want to take a lot of things back. They want to be able to have a country again. If that happens, if brexit was just the first domino to fall, this could be the beginning of the end of the entire european project. A remarkable and we must say anomalous 70year period of stability and cooperation that was forged out of the ashes of the deadliest, most gruesome war in human history. Joining me now, edgar loose, dean baker, codirector of the center for Economic Policy and research, Laura Flanders, host of the Laura Flanders show, great to have you all. Everett, let me start with you. Before the whens and whys, the thing at the most macro level that i think had me up late last night tossing and turning was who this empowers. Who it empowers globally, in the uk, it seems to me to put a lot of force and energy into some of the most nationalistic forces in europe right now. It does indeed. I mean, i think the Chain Reaction scenario that donald trump was predicting just now and clearly hoping for across europe is all too possible to imagine. It just takes 300,000 signatures to trigger a referendum in the netherlands, for example. The french, of course, one of the twin motors of europe historically along with germany, are polling at more than 60 , according to a pew poll last week, wanting to leave the eu. Higher even than britain. So the far right there are going to be wanting to use this as a lever to get a frexit referendum. The knockon effect in europe is obvious. Theres a backlash against democracy. Trump is the most obvious example. I used to be based as a philippines. A guy there, rodrigo duterte, who throws people out of helicopters. He was mayor of a city in the south of the country. He throws people out of helicopters, criminals, to keep the crime rate down. Hes just been elected president in the philippines. There is a sort of middle finger going up to democracy as normal, way beyond the west. Dean, i want to get your take and laura as well, but i want to push back on that for a second. To say a middle finger to democracy what could be more democratic than a straight up or down referendum vote in which the voters of the uk decided they no longer wish to be part of the eu . How is that a middle finger to democracy . That looks like democracy in its essence. Sorry, are you asking me . I am, you, yes. I beg your pardon. Its a middle finger to business as usual, democracy as usual. Right. Its a middle finger to the elites, its a middle finger to london and brussels in the case of the brexit vote, and clearly with the trump support, to washington. I think its just a convenient lightning rod. You quoted a couple of people at the beginning of the program saying, essentially, they thought this was a protest vote. Right. They woke up to find it actually happened. Well, then, perhaps there are a lot of voters out there who are a little bit like the Financial Markets. They expected a certain outcome, and voted on that basis. So i think its a lightning rod to express contempt for democracy as normal, not for democracy as such. I would push back on that in the way i think you were going earlier in that this does have democracy at the center, this is about democracy, the lack of it. The lack of it in europe. The unelected european board. The Central European board that is an embodiment of lack of democracy and is in itself kind of insulated from popular pressure. I think this is the national state, the state sort of sowing the harvest that brussels, london if you will, sowing what brussels, harvesting what brussels has sown. A protest vote, a use of democracy against a very undemocratic institution. And the other thing that it is is a reflection of, i dont know what do they think . They thought people were just expounding hot air when they said vast inequality, the failure to share the wealth weakens the economy, weakens society. Did they think we were kidding . This is that reflected in reality. Dean, you have been a strong critic of Economic Management in the eu and particularly as regards countries like ireland and greece and so forth. I mean, some people make the case that was part of what was here, although in some ways the uk has been isolated because they have the pound, they havent been waterboarded underneath german austerity the way, say, the greeks are. Whats your read on that . A couple of things. First off, uk by its own volition has been the route of austerity. They voted it themselves, no one imposed it on them. They vote voted for it themselves. Similar outcomes, not as bad as youve seen across the eurozone, still their economys not been great. Most people have very little to show over the last eight, nine years. Youve had cuts in public services. National Health Service has been a big issue. Peep are talking about older people, older people need health care. By a lot of accounts the national Health Service has deteriorated because of budget cuts. Hasnt been forced by brussels but people may not realize that. People blame immigrants, it wasnt an immigrant story, the fact is people they voted for made those cuts, they should have realized that but didnt, they blamed brussels. A step further, we hear stories of horrible fallout, the case you were talking about where this is the first step, when its france, then whoever else, well, part of that story will be depending on the reaction of the European Union leadership. So if their response is, were going to punish them, were going to make them feel the pain so no one else wants to do this, well, thats an incredible downward path. Theres the old monty python line, the beatings will continue until morale improves. And that is a disaster. What you have to hope for is we have a little learning, some signs of intelligent life in the eurozo eurozone, well have to see. I will say, dean knows this better than i, the level of inequality in the uk is something that has to be looked at very closely. We have in the last two years evidence to suggest from the National Board of statistic in the uk that youve seen an increase in wealth going to the top 1 of Something Like 21 . Very fast growth of wealth going to the top 1 . With the bottom 45 of the population sharing 9 of the wealth. You have surveys of property, pensions, share wealth, housing, amounting to an average in london of Something Like a millionplus of the average family, versus the bottom 10 , Something Like 12,000 pounds. The contrast is huge. And this is one of the things at the heart of the problem. So yes, you can say, well, they did vote for austerity themselves. Theyll feel more pain. Theyre already feeling the pain. Theyre going to be feeling worse pain because of this. For sure. This is not a rational vote. Theres going to be austerity. For sure. The average tax rates across the rest of the continent, the rest of the European Union, are way more progressive for the most part than they are in britain. This is the same electorate that voted in the conservative, voted back a conservative government, with the majority last year. I think it might be misplaced. Its definitely misplaced. But the idea that europe is the problem, the cause of britains inequalities, is i think a very bad misreading. Absolutely right. But it is the argument that the leave contingent made. Its also one of the things where so much of our reasoning, we see this here with trump, so much of our political reasoning is, if my enemy is against it, then im for it. If my enemy is for it, im against it. If the people i dont like are on the other side i have to say as someone who would have voted to remain were i voting in this election and was actually upset last night, nothing made me want to vote leave more than the condescending tutting, a certain cadre of the Global Financial elite, telling these you idiot british voters better get your act together or were going to take our money and run. One thing i think were almost certain to see is britains financial industry is going to pay a price. If someone wanted to kick britains financial industry, they did it. You might see a collapse of the london financial real estate market, which my view would be all for the positive and might not take the form id like, but you know, very bloated market, a safe haven for rich people around the world, may no longer be the case. For sure. Britain had, you could argue, the best of both worlds. It was did in the European Union, therefore in the single market, but not a lot of the eurozone. It didnt have to wear that pseudo monatarist strait jacket. It was also permitted to is permitted to be the center of trading of the euro. Thats almost certainly going to end now as a result of this. And thats a lot of business. Thats a lot of global bank headquarters. Thats a lot of job. Whatever you think of the overfinancialization of the british or american economy, that is real economic activity. The city of london voted 75 to stay. Yes. And they found out they didnt actually rule the world. Thats right. Thank you all, appreciate it. Still to come, the unnerving parallels between the brexit and our 2016 election. What we can learn from the people who voted to leave and their demographic similarities to Trump Supporters ahead. First Donald Trumps Bizarre Press Conference following the geopolitical vote that was come priced mostly of bragging about his golf course. That and the incredible footage two minutes away. Using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit. 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When donald trump arrived in scotland just hours after the most consequential geopolitical event in recent history, trump began as he often does with a tweet. Just arrived in scotland, place is going wild over the vote, their took their country back just like well take america back, no games that even as scotland as you can see was one of the strongholds of the remain portion of the vote. And then once at his destination in turnberry, for the opening of his golf resort, trump offered a brief acknowledgement of the monumental brexit vote before launching into a 10minute review of the greatness of his golf course and its attendant buildings. Very historic day for a lot of reasons. Not only turnberry. This was one of the big votes in the history of europe. And scotland and everywhere. It was very exciting coming in. And we were landing and we had just heard the results so i wish everybody a lot of luck. I think that its purely historic. Weve taken the lighthouse, which is a very, very important building in florida i mean, in scotland and weve taken that building and made it something really special. Inside the light house right now is incredible suites. Brandnew sprinkler system, the highest level. A lot of the people think this will be the greatest par 3 anywhere in the world. Considered one of the most beautiful buildings in golf. Where tomorrow watson chipped in from an area you couldnt hit the green let alone get it in the hole. Since we opened, we opened a number of weeks ago, we havent had an empty slot. Peter, youll be hear to hear this. We havent had one empty slot, its morning to night. The reviews of the course have been phenomenal. Not just like good. Even people that truly hate me are saying its the best theyve ever seen. Keep in mind, this is while Global Financial panic is happening. After that three of trumps children who were traveling with him took turns at thanking their dad for the opportunity to work on the family business. And then finally trump took questions. It was only then that trump got around to offering further thoughts on this rather important geopolitical event. At this moment of profound uncertainty, appears first interested in how well he might make out on the small scale followed by how well he might make out on a large scale. If the pound goes down theyll do more business. The pound goes down, more people are coming to turnberry, frankly, and the pound has gone down. I love to see people take their country back. And thats really whats happening in the united states. And i think you see that. And thats whats happening in many other places in the world. Theyre tired of it, they want to take their countries back. I have a lot of friends living in germany that have always been very proud germans. To a level that you wouldnt believe. Now those same people, some of them, are saying theyre leaving germany, theyre moving. They never thought of moving, now theyre thinking about moving, because of the tremendous influx of people. You know whats happening in germany. Its a real problem. Not to be forgotten, it was all finished off with a ribbon cutting. Joining me, mckay koppens, buzz feed, off in the wilderness, deep inside the republican partys combative, contentious quest to take the white house. I was watching this just how long is he going to my twitter feed, the other screens that i have access to, are just losing their minds about what is happening. Right. And its like, i couldnt believe what i was watching. Is this bizarre . So i think you see a couple of things. I got up early to watch this, im happy i did. I think two things here. One is that donald trump filters all Current Events and especially economic developments through a very specific prism, which is how it affects the trump organization. Right. And him. Right . Right. Its like yeah. This might be the catastrophic end of the european project, but more people at turnberry. More people are going to come to turnberry. Which is interesting because hes this populist and claims to be speaking for the little guy and the white working class, instead its all about his very specific portfolio of businesses. Thats one interesting thing. The other interesting thing here is that this was such an opportunity for him. That he didnt really politically latch on to. Thats a good point. He started to get there eventually but this was a huge victory for what he for trumpism. For his blend of nationalism and populism and antiimmigrant fervor, and he could have, should have gone out there with a great with prepared remarks and said, this isnt just in our country, its sweeping the world, people are tired of the status quo, here tired of the political establishment. Too much immigration, the elites are keeping them down. He didnt do any of that. Part of this goes to this elemental thing that the kind of person that you want as president , independent of their politics, which is sort of curiosity about the world, knowledge. Exactly. A few weeks ago, michael wolff, brexit, your position . Huh . Brexit . The brits leaving the eu, i prompt, realizing his lack of familiarity, one of the pressing issues in europe for him is no concern. Oh yeah, i think they should leave. Like, what do you want for lunch . Totally. This is one of the biggest things happening in the world. He didnt learn about it until two weeks ago. We were talking about this offair. I dont blame anyone theres a story and i shared it impulsively and i wish i hadnt about all the people in britain who are feverishly googling about the eu after the vote ended and people saying, look at these stupid voters. Look, people dont follow this stuff closely. And i wish we shouldnt laugh at them. But he is the presumptive nominee of the republican party. The presumptive nominee in the country that is the site of the most epochal thing to happen in geo Global Politics probably since, i dont know, the iraq war, maybe 9 11. And hes standing there talking about how great the par 3 is and the lighthouse. The lighthouse. For ten minutes. With no evident knowledge, facility, or curiosity about what he is in the midst of. Right. And in fact, i thought it was funny that even fox news cut away from that for a little while. Absolutely. Laughing, they couldnt even cop taken their laughter. The golf talk, its like the golf channel. Mckay koppens, thank you for agreeing with me about how ridiculous that was. Up next, an indepth introduction to some of the key players involved in this referendum. Oh my god. Thats just after this short break. Use to take a pill . Or stop to find a bathroom . Cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. 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This british referendum to leave the eu was not something that had to happen. 2013, Prime Minister David Cameron promised he would hold the referendum if reelected and it was a vow designed to placate antieu members of his own conservative party. He worked out the plan at chicagos Ohare Airport the year before. That political ploy which probably seemed low risk at the time was blown up in camerons face and he plans to step down as Prime Minister. The frontrunner to replace him is former london mayor boris johnson, seen here getting stuck on a zip line while Holding British flags during the 2012 olympics in london. Johnson is in some ways a trumpian figure, not just because of the hair. John wan was born to privilege in new york city. But presents himself as a populist. Unlike trump hes a bracingly assured writer and they ainker. With an eye on taking camerons job, johnson was the most prominent voice in the leave campaign arguing exports would help keep britain economically healthy. We export im proud to say we export cake. In growing quantities of particularly dense and glutinous chocolate cake. We export from walthamstone to france. They love our cake in france. Claiming britain sends the eu 350 Million Pounds. The probrexit camp said go to national Health Service instead. Ninlg ankle fer raj admitted today the promise was empty. The 350 Million Pounds a week we sent to the eu which we will no longer send to the eu, can you guarantee thats going to the nhs . No, i cant. I would never have made that claim. It was one of the mistakes the leave campaign made. Hold on a moment, that was one of your own votes. It wasnt i can assure you. That was one of the leave campaign promises, that money was going to the nhs. I think they made a mistake. Thats why many people voted. They made a mistake doing that. Farage among other things responsible for a probrexit, antimigrant poster widely decrowd as racist. Fer rage celebrated stating britain voted to leave the eu without a single bullet being fired despite the assassination of proremain labor mp jo cox last week. He cast the vote in us versus them terms that would be familiar to sarah palin. This will be a victory for real people. A victory for ordinary people. A victory for decent people. Coming up well break down the strong overlap between the coalition for brexit in britain and the coalition behind donald trump in the u. S. Im alex trebek. If youre age 50 to 85, i have an Important Message about security. Write down the number on your screen, so you can call when i finish. The lock i want to talk to you about isnt the one on your door. This is a lock for your Life Insurance, a rate lock, that guarantees your rate can never go up at any time, for any reason. But be careful. Many policies you see do not have one, but you can get a lifetime rate lock through the Colonial Penn program. Call this number to learn more. 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People over 65 were for brexit. As you can see the leave vote driven by the people who will have, on average, the fewest years to live with the decision. Ed there are also significant regional differences. Cosmopolitan london voted to remain. The older and whiter areas outside the big cities known as Little England voted to go. While white voters favored brexit, just about every other group voted overwhelmingly to stay in the eu. Joining me, matthew mcgregors, 2012 Obama Campaign staffer, former adviser to British Labor leader ed milliban in the 2015 election, i feel you have a unique view. Youve worked on campaigns on both sides of the atlantic. Yeah, as you said, 2012 and then in the uk over the last few years. And this is something thats been brewing for a while. I think this result is a shock and its very hard to take for a lot of people, most of my friends voted to remain. But i dont think its a huge shock to people who have been following some of the deeper underlying trends. You talked about the big demographic differences. I think that one of the big things is the class difference. Workingclass people, d. E. Groups as we call them in uk, overwhelmingly voted to leave. Those are the groups that have been hit hardest, not just by global recession recently but over a long period of time, with wage stagnation. These are people who have been left behind, people who havent had the pay rises productivity has deserved, and theyre angry. We were a very divided country and the results showed that. So lets talk about that. The sort of class strata. Are those folks one of the differences in the u. S. And the uk in this respect is the u. S. Is a more diverse country. So the percent aage the u. S. S about 55 , 60 nonhispanic, white. The uk is around 85 . Talking about the working class, what are the politics of the folks do you have labor workingclass folks voting to leave . Absolutely, yeah. This is a big problem for the labor Party Going Forward in tears what w terms of what the country does to negotiate the exit. Labor voters in the midlands, the northeast, even in some areas of london, voted to leave. Thats a big problem for the leadership of the labor party. Its a big problem how we try and rebuild a coalition that can get us back into office in 2020 or sooner if theres an election. Labor doesnt have the advantage that the Obama Coalition has which is just the demographics work in the obama colittles fable better. You can cobble together essentially enough liberal white voters to build a majority in a way that is still not boss nibble the uk. It feels like where its not possible under the current political vale lances. Its not possible for demographic reasons and for where those people live. The boundaries of the districts. But also because of some of the kind of micro trends. Scotland, for example, is a country thats traditionally been overwhelmingly labor. Labors been losing the last few years and lost catastrophically the last election. So putting together a coalition is a really big challenge for the labor party. They might have to to it really soon. Theres a good chance there will be a general election much sooner than the next scheduled one, possibly before the end the year. If thats the case, how much also is this essentially theres this question about how much this is a proxy vote on diversity, race, immigration. How much having worked in politics recently in the uk, how much do you read it as that . People are really, really angry. Immigration is one of the things that they talk about. I think immigration is something thats been driving some of the labor market challenges, the wage stag neighbor, the lack of jobs. Just to be clear, you dont think its scapegoating, you think theres negative economic effects . There are problems with discrimination and racism in the uk that we have in lots of countries, and that shouldnt be downplayed, i dont want to downplay that. At the same time, thats something that people are holding on to to talk about much broader issues, ways in which immigration has suppressed labor market, the jobs that people can get, and wage increases that just havent transpired. One of the wrinkles here is that when we talk about immigration here very much in terms of race, much of the immigration there, particularly in competition for lowwage jobs, is coming from places like poland or bulgaria where its not necessarily a racial difference. No, exactly right. And also if you look at some of the geography, areas that have actually do have high immigration rates, voted to remain. So i dont think thats interesting. I dont think its necessarily a pure issue of racism. But it is something that is representative of the austerity that people feel that they faced. And is the vote i think is a reflection of Government Policies as well as some of the broader challenges that are happening in the economy. Matthew mcgregor, thanks for your time, really appreciate it. Still to come, Bernie Sanders makes some big news regarding his support for Hillary Clinton. Plus new clarity on why he just did three rallies in two days. First, why are these men on the ground during a Donald Trump Press Conference . Think fixing your windshield is a big hassle . Not with safelite. This family needed their windshield replaced, but theyre daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. So we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo well come to the zoo only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. With our exclusive mobileglassshops. And our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. Service that fits your schedule. Thats another safelite advantage. Safelite repair, safelite replace. 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If youve accepted the arithmetic of the race and realize shes likely to become the nominee, why not withdraw from the race . Why would i want to do that when i want to find out make sure we have the best platform we possibly can, that we win the most delegates that we can, and that we transform the the goal of our campaign was to transform this nation. Howard dean, former chairman of dnc, msnbc political analyst, Hillary Clinton supporter from basically the beginning. Sanders was doing an event with a congressional candidate. He has been telling his supporters to run for office. Theres this sort of turn towards trying to broaden out what hes doing. In some ways democracy for america, which is the organization that became dean for america, tried to do something similar. We did and it was successful and we do have a lot of people in state legislatures, water commissioners in chicago who figured out a way to get around the machine and pull phosphorous out of the lake and stuff. And of course he has his campaign ten times my size, or eight times, or something, in terms of the amount of money raised. I think its great. It strikes me that one of the challenges is that its harder to gallivvanize and coalesce pee when you dont have a candidate and a campaign, particularly a president ial campaign, than when you do. Its true. Bud youd be amazed how people respond to grassroots stuff. Its not flashy and it doesnt get in the paper but they really respond. Dfa is still raising a lot of money. Weve got 1 million members. Hes going to have a whole lot more than that. Heres the potential for a large and enduring organization. Yeah. And one of the things i think, to think about, when is youre talking about a state reps rate, if you can send out an email for smalldollar donations to a state rep running whos a true believer in Bernie Sanders style of progressivism, 5,000 in a race like that could be enormous, 10,000. It is enormous, especially in a relatively small state. Even in a big state. We got people in chicago, we saved some of the aldermen that rahm was going after, progressive aldermen. So yeah, bernie raised 200 million instead of 60 million, which is what we raised. I think this is a great development. This is how you really change america is piece by piece, inch by inch, bit by bit. Theres a vote today on the 15 minimum wage on the platform committee, that amendment put forward by keith ellison, sanders supporter, failed. I wonder how much you ultimately think the platform seems to me the platforms going to reflect what the nominees priorities are. Yes, its true. I think i would have as soon seen that one pass. I know hillary technically is right on the 15 and the 12 and the midwest and all that business. Its not going to hurt her any to have 15 in the platform. It will make bernies people happier. So that one i probably would have let go. I mean, there are going to be things sanders cant get in the platform. Right. 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That is precisely what many people have been telling themselves about donald trump. Tlult the primary, now heading into the general. Molly ball, the atlantic. Josh barrow, business insider. Molly, there are parallels that are good and parallels that are bad. In some ways their vote didnt have anything to do with us. How much reflection do you see in this domestic political environment . I think its the same global currents powering both phenomena, rather than two situations that happen to be analogous. In both cases you seem to see this dichotomy between cosmopolitans and traditionalists. You seem to see an uprising, reactionary backlash of traditional societies and nationalism and nativism. And a sense of grievance against the sort of progressive, cosmopolitan ethos and the swiftness of demographic change. I think there are a lot of similar things happening in both these phenomena, and you know, the sort of idea of an out of touch cultural elite that did not anticipate the force and the passion of these populist currents. One of the things that a few people had noted about this, josh, in terms of predictive, a mismatch between the betting markets like, no way. The polls, it was a tossup more or less, clearly going to be close. My feeling about the domestic political election is the clear politics arm is 5 or 6 points. 5 or 6 points is still basically a 50 50 country. Donald trump could be president. Its been pretty stable. The one blip you can see on that chart is that one point where trump clinched the nomination and clinton hadnt, a weird moment in the election. Now things have returned back to where theyve been for months and months and months. People say, they said brexit could never happen so maybe this could never happen. We said brexit could never happen in spite of polls telling us brexit could happen. Similarly people said trump couldnt win the nomination even though he led polls almost the entire same from june last year until he clinched the nomination. Yeah, you shouldnt assume that things that seem awful and ridiculous cant hap. I think the lesson is look at the polls. What the polls are telling us is donald trump isnt going to get elected. A big part of that is trump is not a referendum, hes a american with ul these negative personality traits. And u. S. The different from britain, britains 83 . The u. S. Is 63 . Nationalist movements dont appeal very well to minority groups especially when they are led by people who make lots of openly racist statements is a thing that will undermine trump and make him perform more weakly than leave did. Ers this this sort of i a lot of lot people worrying that theres some secret set of trump voters who arent telling the truth to pollsters because they feel ashamed by the negative coverage of trump, et cetera, but that theyre going to show up on election day. There was some examination of this during the primary. It actually seemed like the polls i believe it was the live caller calls where presumably people would have been more reluctant, would not have shown up. Those were more accurate than the online polls. So i dont think we see that much of an effect. If i could go back to what josh is saying about the polls right now, you know, its june. Its a long way to go until november. But what we do see is that both of these candidates are substantially under 50 . Trump is not behind by very much. And if you believe that its as obvious as the demographic equation, and if you believe that trump is doing as badly as some of the sort of political narratives had it, that gap ought to be a lot bigger than 4, 5, 6 points. So i do think we shouldnt underestimate the popularity of these sentiments to Cross Party Lines the way they did in the uk. Its june but this election has been so unavoidable and exhaustingly saturating. People know these two candidates probably better than the two candidates theyve had to choose from in any election in my lifetime in the u. S. I think thats part of why the polling is was pretty stable in the republican primary, even though the campaign was so loud and weird. Donald trump led the whole time and his numbers didnt even jump around all that much until he started to really consolidate at the end and go up. So i dont think theres a lot of room for there to be movement between now and november because voters have already thought about this so much. So many havent made up their minds. Theyre so far under 50, both of them, right . Theres some pool of voters the numbers arent adding to 50. These two candidates have high unfavorable ratings. A lot of people dont like either candidate. But Donald Trumps unfavorable ratings are much higher than Hillary Clintons which i think are reason to think its very unlikely he will succeed in closing ahead. Gary johnson might get 8 or 9 points. Molly, to your point, the way i think about it to what youre saying, i agree in this sense, the realization of brexit was a lot of people felt there was a guardrail on the road. The car might jerk around and maybe people grab the wheel and go off one way but you hit the guardrail and get back on the road. But the realization was, theres no guardrail. Theres just the outcome of the election. Its not like i hear people say, people say to me at barbecues, he cant really win. Its like, no, he could. If he gets enough votes, he will be the president. The guardrail is Donald Trumps 70 unfavorable rating. Right. Its not some broad principle about the electorate that it cant do stupid things. It can. I just look at the polling evidence out there and it suggests the electorate is not going to do this particular stupid thing. Molly . I think what we learned in the republican primary is, as you were saying, there was this idea there was this invisible hand of the establishment that was going to protect us from certain outcomes. And all of the other republican candidates believed in that. So they didnt think they had to do anything. And i think there was a similar force at work in the brexit vote where there was thought to be this controlling ethos of the establishment that couldnt be violated even by and a lot of the voters themselves felt like they might as well make this vote because it couldnt possibly happen. Thats right. Well just bump into the guardrail. What we found in the republican primary is that establishment was either incompetent or none existent or a combination of body. Thank you very much, enjoy your weekend. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Thanks for joining us this hour. On the one side it was britain and france and russia and the u. S. And italy and belgium and greece and portugal and just this incredible list. In the end it was a huge list of countries. On the other side it was germany and austriahungary and the turks which you would be well servedt