Certificate . Im starting to think he was not born here. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im kriz hayes as u. S. Russia relations has taken center stage. Tonight we have breaking news, secretary of state john kerry and Russian Foreign minister have announced a break through agreement on syria and includes a cease fire on areas like aleppo which have been under seize and planned for u. S. Russian cooperation to defeat isis. These appear to be concrete steps taken by the Obama Administration and russia to Work Together to end the syrian civil war. Barack obamas leadership of the United States of america. Trump has long had praise for putin. He took it a step furt cohosted by nbc news. Ive already said. Hes really very much of a leader. Far more than our president has been a leader. We have a divided country. It appears to be the campaigns official defending defending the comparison to president obama in an interview yesterday. 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Following a precedent set by george bush they will not air ads on that day. Trump Whose Campaign has yet to the announce his plans for sunday was a prominent new York Real Estate development and he cited the resistance of new yorkers to ted cruzser. Ing . Of new york values. New york values were for all to see in the aftermath of it 9 11, a strike at the heart of our city and our nation, in our darkest moments as the city, we showed the world the very, very best in terms of bravery and heart and soul that we have in america. New york based journalist michael daly has long covered both candidates and hes got a blistering piece in the daily beast today discussing 15 years of Donald Trumps lies, insults and slights. He joins me now. Youre a lifelong Crime Reporter basically. When i started there were 2,000 murders a year in this town. I covered crime like the way you would cover war. Youve been a new york reporter at the daily news for years. What prompted you to write this piece . Back in february during the republican debates, trump said i lost hundreds of friends on 9 11. Hundreds. All right . And im thinking that of all the funerals i went to after that, i never saw him. I never heard anybody talk about him. I never heard of anybody saying oh, yeah, that guy was a friend of donalds or i saw donald at the wake or donald gave a call and askedler ifsley needed anything. I didnt hear his name once. Im thinking how could that be . So i reach out to his organization and said can you name just one. I thought it might be interesting this person was a friend of donald and you nknow nothing and it just kind of stayed with me. There are a lot of things you dont do and one of them is you dont lie about people who died on that day. And particularly if youre a person who is living in the city of new york. And particularly if you live just up the street from st. Patricks cathedral when they had one great fireman after another getting buried out of there. So that kind of stayed with me. And there were some other things that he was saying that he saw thousands of muslims cheering, saw news footage of thousands of muslims cheering in new jersey, the attack on world trade center. And i never heard any of that. What i did hear i remember there was a Muslim Police cadet who was on his way to his day job at rockefeller university. He was driving a car with the license plate saying young jedi and he heard there was the attack and he drove down there to try to see what he could do and he was killed. I remember that. I dont remember the cheering muslims. And then he talked about how he watched the people jump from his windoo at trump tower four miles away. And im thinking, i was down there that day and even when youre right by the tower when theyre up there, you know, theyre very small. And unfortunately, they became bigger. And that stayed with me. And then also, i was trying to see if he had ever given money to anybody at 9 11. I came across one report in the New York Post that he had promised, this is right after the trade center, that had he promised to donate 10,000 when he called into the howard stern show to rudys twin towers fund. I thought, okay. But i didnt see any trace of that. You havent been able to track down that donation. No, i havent. The twin towers fund is closed so its hard to go back the other way. But all the donations i know that hes made to anybody are through the Trump Foundation. Records of that. I went through the Trump Foundation records for that year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year. I saw no 9 11 donations whatsoever. So and then so that stayed with me. And then he finally did go down to the memorial, Memorial Museum when he is finally in the midst of this campaign. The people down at the museum said they had had never seen him there before. He had never made a donation there before. He arrives and gives a 100,000 check. They said yeah, its drawn on his foundation which he hasnt contributed to for at least six years. So even thats not his money. Then i was talking to somebody else who was kind of with him as he walked through the museum and they were kind of surprised that almost everybody is, you know, stops is moved, cant believe they saw that. And you would think particularly a guy who says that he watched jumpers from the building facing him that he would at least stop and look. Theres one photo in the museum of a woman standing at the huge hole in the north tower. Its the uptown face of it. Its what would have faced trumps apartment if he really had been able to see this. You would think that he would like, well, thats the building was facing where i was looking. Thats what i saw. Theres that woman. Who was she . You know, she was and she was working as a reception just because she needed to add to the income from the family florist. You would think he would look at that. Corey lewandowski who everybody knocks is the former Campaign Manager everybody thinks is an attack dog. One of the people in the museum noted he actually did stop and was move by a picture and it turned out it was one of his best friends. Let me ask you this. Because i want to be fair here. In the sense that you have two candidates, each new york. Theyve each talked about 9 11 in personal terms and each used it frankly in their campaign. Hillary clinton ran videos about it at the dnc. Youre a new york reporter. I know youve reported on First Responders and i mean, what is her record like . Well, i mean, for me, my personal encounters . Yeah. On the good side, she really did lose a good friend at 9 11. That was father michael judge, the fire chaplain who was killed in the north tower. She happened to become friends with him because at the white house Prayer Breakfast back in september of i think 1998, the star reports coming out and they say, who are we going to put next to the first lady when theyre talking about monica, right . So they call up brian odwyer and said dont worry, ive got just the priest for you. Michael dose down there. He sits next to her and bill clinton starts talking about forgiveness and the power of you know, all this and this and everybodys saying i hope this priest doot talk to her about forgiveness. He starts talking about how exciting this must be. I hope you dont mind i stole some towels out of the bathroom because i want to bring them back to the Homeless People in new york. Next thing you know, hes got the first lady laughing and saying to her how wonderful it is to be here and how wonderful it must be for her to be there. We should note this chaplain is famous and theres a famous photo of him. And she also, i mean, and then politically there was a fight to get funding afterwards, right . There was. I mean, the other positive thing for her if jimmy boil who is head of the fire union who lost his son, i saw him right after the north tower came. His son got killed a couple hundred feet from where jimmy was standing. And he will tell you she was always there for the families and that she was always there for the votes they needed in congress. The negative side you might, if you want to look around to be as balanced as you possibly can that as the Democratic Convention was approaching, jimmy boyle got a call saying, would what do you think about her and he said she was great. He said would you make a video. He said sure. Would you come down and appear at the convention. He said sure and he said but youd have had to fly me down. They said wait a minute, your cell phone is a new york number. I moved up to rochester. Youd have to fly me down. Well get back to you. And no one ever called me back. You dont sleight jimmy boyle. Do you not do that in the city of new york. Hes a sainted man. Michael daly, what a pleasure to have you here and listen to your recollections. Appreciate it. Coming up, the Washington Post drops a bombshell editorial warning other newspapers to stop obsessing over Hillary Clintons emails. Author of that will join me to explain ahead. [ dreams by beck ] hmmmmm. The turbocharged dream machine. The Volkswagen Golf gti. Named one of car and drivers 10best, 10 years in a row. Is 22 pages long. Did you read every word . Noonly lawyers do that. So when you got rearended and needed a tow, your Insurance Company told you to look at page five on yo. Did it say great news. Youre covered on page five . No. It said, blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah. The Liberty Mutual app with coverage compass™ makes it easy to know what youre covered for and what youre not. Liberty stands with you. Liberty mutual insurance. 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The editorial boofrtd Washington Post, a mom from fbi director james comey saying despite all the chest beating there wasnt a prosecutable case and the email exchange between Hillary Clinton and colin powell saying now it seeps like he engaged in similar behavior. Of the 30 benghazi emails recovered during the investigation, only one in fact was previously undisclosed and contained nothing but a compliment from a diplomat. It ends by adding imagine if looking back at this election the voters empowered a dangerous man because of a minor email scandal. There is noquiv lins between her wrongs and olympian trumps unfitness for office. Joining me now the person who wrote those words, Steven Strom Berg editorial writer at the Washington Post. Let me start with that last quote. Is this you just not liking donald trump and essentially reverse engineering your way to a position on the email scandal to convince yourself that its not that big a deal . Well, thats a very good question. Look, i think that the story really of this election is that the republican primary process failed. And produced a man who is manifestly unfit for was office as the nominee and you have the democrat whos nominated somebody who is essentially a conventional president ial candidate. You know, broadly speaking. She falls in the main an stream, that sort of thing. She has foibles a lot of politicians have. An editorial writer and opinion writer, it can be difficult sometimes our feel difficult to cover the race without drawing false equivalencies between the two. That said, you know, we called in the editorial. The email can dal a minor scandal. We laid out some reasons why. You know, we dont think its illegitimate. We think there are reasons for people to be concerned. But you know what . Theres a narrative thats develop. Theres a short happened for the election thats developing thats wrong. And that shorthand is, donald trump is you know maybe hes a racist or he however you want to phrase that, you know, maybe hes a no nothing but you kind of you know, what you hear is basically what hes thinking. Hillary clinton on the other hand is sort of corrupt. She lies. You cant trust anything she says. You know, she belongs in prison because email. And not only does that is draw a false equivalence that doesnt belong, its also factually inaccurate. So yes, relative trump, yeah, okay. Shes she doesnt even inhabit the same moral universe relative to trump. But even on its own terps, the email scandal is not you know an imprisonable offense or all this other nonsense you keep hearing about it. That to me i thought the part about you know, theres this question of what would it take for this to be something that people felt like the book was closes on, right . And one of the things you get with the clones is always raises more questions or there are more theres more threads to tug at. I mean, what to you what about the timing of this . Was it the comey memo that you felt sort of laid out look, this is what it is. It is what we have seen it to be and it is of the scale and scope described by the fbi. Yeah, a good question. Look, the actual, i would say the original comey findings before his testimony what 5 1 2, 4 1 2 hours of testimony on this, that was actually pretty definitive already. You already had a sense that you know, no prosecutor in his or her right mind would have brought the case. We already knew that. To sort of dismiss that and say Hillary Clinton belongs in prison, well, you know, youre basically accusing the fbi director and his staff of either corruption or flagrant incompetence. Sort of choose one. Stick with it, admit to it. This is a very important point. Either comey is in on it or incompetent or he made the right decision. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. Thank you, chris. Well be right back with thing one and thing two. 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I just go and try and do a better job from there. I dont think so. Now, when i take when we go in church and when i drink my little wine which is about the only wine i drink and have my little cracker, i guess thats a form of asking for forgiveness. I do that as often as possible because i feel cleansed, okay. I wrote the art of the deal. Thats my second Favorite Book of all time. You know what my first is . The bible. Nothing beats the bible. Nothing beats the bible. Not even the art of the deal. Not even close, okay. Im wondering what one or two of your most favorite bible verses are. I wouldnt want to get into it. The bible means a lot to me but i dont want to get into the specifics. 2 corinthians, 3 17, thats the whole ball game. What about the big picture . What does trump think about god . Turns out that question has been asked. Tell me about god. When i say god, tell me about god, who is god to you . What are some of your thoughts on this . Clearly youre a smart businessman. Youve contemplated this before. His answer, thats thing 2ing in 60 seconds. Car. Its ok. Im not here. [phone vibrating multiple times] im there. So the biggest question that could ever be asked of donald trump, what about god . That question has been asked and it has been answered. Who is god to you . What are some of your thoughts on this . Clearly youre a smart man, youre a smart businessman. Youve contemplate this had before or have you contemplated. I saw god is the ultimate. You look at this, here we are in the Pacific Ocean. How did i ever own there, i bought it 15 years ago. I made one of the great deals ever of this piece of land. I have no mortgage on it. I will certify and represent to you. And i was able to buy this and make a great deal. Whats what i want to do for the country. Make great deals. God is the ultimate. God created this. And you know, heres the Pacific Ocean right behind us. So nobody, no thing, theres nothing like god gs. What up, peyt. 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I dont talk about it anymore. This prominent role in the Birther Movement launched his political career in the first place. In 2007 when he was raising questions bes president obamas birth certificate wa reality tv star mad his mark. Are you a birther, donald. I was a really good student at the best school. Im like a smart guy, okay . They make these birthers into the worst idiots. Why doesnt he show his birth certificate . I would like to have him show his birth certificate. And can i be honest with you . I hope he can because if he cant, if he cant, and if he wasnt born in this country which is a real possibility i want him to show his birth certificate. Why . Theres something on that birth certificate that he doesnt like. A man and a woman with no money toe have a baby, theres announcements in the newspaper. The grandparents did it. Nelson rockefeller doesnt put announcements. There are birth announcements all time. Ive never seen one. Theyre common. I have people studying it and they cant believe what theyre finding. You have people now down there searching in hawaii . Absolutely. And they cannot believe what theyre finding. He spent millions of dollars trying to get away from this issue. Millions of dollars in legal fees trying to get away from this issue. I brought it up routinely and all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and im starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country. His family is arguing over which hospital he was born in. The family doesnt even know the name of the hospital. No nurses, no doctors, nobody ever came forward. His grandmother in kenya said, oh, no, he was born in kenya and i was there and i witnessed the birth. Hes on tape. And i think that tapes going to be produced fairly soon. Somebodys coming out with a book in two weeks. Its going to be really interesting. He doesnt have a birth certificate. Now, may have one but theres something on that maybe religion, maybe it says hes a muslim. I dont know. Or theres something on the birth certificate that he doesnt want people to see. What due think that could be . I dont know. I mean maybe it says maybe it says hes muslim. Which wouldnt bother me. If its that thing you know, if thats it, its it. Its what it is. You cannot understand donald trump as a political figure without going back to the origins of his birtherism. Well talk with someone who advised him on that strategy next. Nexium 24hr is now the 1 choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. For complete proction all day and night make nexium 24hr your 1 choice. This clean was like pow. Ything well . It felt like i had just gone to the dentist. It just kind of like, wiped everything clean. My teeth are glowing. They look great. They are so white. Crest hd 6x cleaning. 6x whitening. 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See what the power of points can do for your business. Learn more at chase. Com ink a few years ago, you led the Birther Movement. You sent investigators out to hawaii to find out whether or not obama which you said was mot born here. And it turned out to not be true. Why should they believe you here. According to you its not here. Released his birth certificate. If you believe that, thats fine. Its an old subject. Im about jobs, im about security, about fitching the military, about taking care of have you parted ways with trump as of this point. What was the thinking that made this he went from donald trump reality tv figure to possible republican president ial candidate based on this issue. Well, the idea was that we need toed somebody who could be this larger than life figure like the president , like obama who was going to take him on, hurt his favorability and be the guy that said if you gave us the nomination in the primary as opposed to mitt romney or newt gingrich, im here to play and win. Was it to show that he could take down obama . Was that basically the thinking here . Well, look, heres the thing. He had the president talk, you know, communicate with him. He had the president flat out have to send advisorssto hawaii to kind get a copy of the birth certificate and the issue became donald trump against barack obama. Right. But in some way, ways, that issue, i mean when we look at the polling, that issue in some ways is sort of the unforgivable sin. Not just for black vote ares but for a lot of voters but particularly black voters the unforgivable sin. A lot of black voters were hip to his housing discrimination and the central park five ad in 1989. This took the cake. You have the first black president being delegitimized effectively by somebody who is not qualified to make any comment in that regard. And also, i mean, his recent denial of this trying to skate around this, the effect of it is is to say like hey, these black voters upset are crying wolf on in. Theyre not actually offended, they just want to strike at might. We wanted to not talk about this this cycle even in the primary. Why . Did you realize that he looked ridiculous when the president of the United States was forced to show his papers . And they showed exactly what he said . We were worried that if he could be categorized simply as a birther as opposed to donald trump the entrepreneur, the outsider, the guy who is going to come take back washington for the people which is what he ran on in the primary, it would be a loser. So this was a strategic choice not to talk about anymore. Wait a second. Did he ever believe it. I do have a confidentiality agreement with him. He has said he has but he has said publicly, i will say this. This was certainly news to me that the campaign is now saying that he believes that the president was born in america because we simply said that we werent going to talk about the issue. That was our answer. You seem like a perfectly nice dude. Yes. Im not a birther. The president. Im glad to hear that. The president was born in hawaii. Good. Were all on the same page. Do you recognize how destructive this was . When jameel talks about do you get why people found this unbelievably insulting and offensive and race just . Racist, there were i do understand why people found this insulting, why 107 people thought it was racist. I think it was a strategically smart move for trump to use initially introduced himself into the psych. Do you think thats true. Were talking about for the republican primary. It set the stage for whats happening now. He signaled to the constituency that he has now that hey, im one of you. Im going to articulate your message. There are a lot of people who wanted to make sure that not only did they paint him as an outsider but a muslim outsider. Heres a guy willing to do it. Now hes running for president , ill vote for him. Do you think theres a connection . Youre saying we wanted him to win despite that and put that in the past. Do you think that that was what paved the way for him . When you talk to voters on the trail, theyre focused on this issue. It is a primary motivation for a lot of people to vote for trump. Barack obama is Hillary Clintons number one asset right now. Yes, he clearly is. The point jameel made is important. Donald trump may have turned away from it but ive had voters saying, of course, i dont think he was born in the u. S. Or i think he was muslim. Theres polling on this. There were independents that thought this, remember . Theyre no wiser. Lets be clear. Jameel smith and sam nunberg, good to have you here. Thank you very much. That is all in for this even. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Happy friday, my friend. Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Happy friday to you, as well. Youre not allowed to take any fridays off from the news till the election because stuff keeps happening. Particularly on fridays. And todays friday news was both very, very serious and also