At todays sessions hearing. The equivalent of being made to go to the back of the bus. Major holes in tillersons sanctuary. Were we lobbying before or against . Im a germaphobe, believe me. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. There are just nine days until donald trump becomes president of the United States. Today we were inundated with news, much of it disturbing, about what to expect when he takes office. In fact there was so much news today it is, frankly, impossible for us to fully cover what we saw and heard, which may well have been the point. We are going to aggressively cover the issues we have deemed most important and they are big ones. Among them, the President Elect evoking nazi germany to characterize u. S. Intelligence agencies, offering kind words to the russians who the Intelligence Community believe hacked the dnc and clinton campaign. Trumps Secretary Of State pick exxonmobil Ceo Rex Tillerson possibly lying under oath at his Confirmation Hearing about exxonmobil lobbying against russian sanctions and an impassioned and unprecedented plea from a sitting senator, cory booker, to reject trumps Attorney General nominee senator Jeff Sessions over his record on civil rights. But we begin with the story we believe to be most important at this Pivotal Moment and what this day with as about. The nearly incomprehensible set of conflicts of interest that result from refusing to relinquish ownership of a multibillion Dollar Organizations that is engaged with businesses and countries around the world, the full scope of which we still dont know. Thats because trump refuses to release his tax returns. Well, im not showing tax returns, as you know, theyre under audit. Reporter every president since the 70s has had an irs. Ive never heard that. You know, the only ones who care about my tax returns are the
prevented from doing so so there is no way of knowing whether they were genuine documents or just phony visual aids like the supposed trump steaks that trump showed Off Last March which turned out to have been purchased from a South Florida Meat Company and still had the labels on them to prove it. To explain the steps he took, trump brought to the stage attorney sheri dillon whose lau firm won the 2016 law firm of the year. She said trump is not liquidating his assets because doing so could lead to unreasonable losses for trump and this is simply too high a burden. The approach weve outlined today will avoid potential conflicts of interest or concerns regarding exploitation of the office of the presidency without imposing unnecessary and unreasonable losses on the President Elect and his family. That position prompted this response from the head of the Office Of Government Ethics
independent trustee as oge has advised him to do. He did not deal with his Emoluments Clause problems, the unconstitutional flows of funds and other benefits from Foreign Governments and their agents. What he announced with his children is more like an ethics sieve, full of holes. So he gets f across the board. I should say that walter shaub gave a remarkable speech, we exerted some of it. He basically agreed with you, norm, this is not my area of expertise. Mr. Painter, what about the argument that was made explicitly by the President Elects lawyer that forcing divestiture would essentially cost the President Elect too much money. That it would be too painful, too large, to unreasonable a financial sacrifice . Well, in the bush
administration as the Chief Ethics Lawyer i worked with a lot of incoming Cabinet Officials who sold off assets and left money on the table, Stock Options and other money, and, yes, it cost them money to enter Public Service. I took a substantial pay cut to go work in the white house. Thats what Public Service is all about. I am thrilled to have a president who has friends All Over The World who will offer him 2 billion and so forth, thats great, but thats got to stop as of january 20. Hes got to focus on being president and this is business is worth a lot to him but im sure he could sell it off for a couple of Million Dollars which is plenty of money for him, but this government everyday spends more money than that business is probably worth and he is in charge of it as president of the United States. Hes got to focus on his job and walter shaubs job at the Office Of Government Ethics is to advise government officials
including the president on complying with a Conflict Of Interest standard and walter is exactly right. There has been a political war against the Office Of Government Ethics this week conducted by super pacs and against walter in particular, trying to line him up for getting fired by the president or Something Like that and i have said this at the Brookings Institution this afternoon. If theres a saturday night massacre aatoge, we wont stand for that in the United States and we wont stand for a president who would tolerate that. This is an independent agency that Implements Ethics Laws in the executive branch. Walter shaub has a job to do and he is doing it and its time for the president to focus on his job and to divest for those Business Enterprises instead of attacking the Office Of Government Ethics. I should note the saturday night massacre a reference to the Attempted Firing of Key Department of justice officials by Richard Nixon which essentially was the end of the end. Well, they did fire them,
they got down to Robert Bourque who would take care of the job for them. But thats not going to happen and we wont let that happen in this administration unless President Trump wants to go the sa way nixon went. Those are strong words and i want to talk about ill let you you gentlemen referred to as a constitutional crisis, which you, ambassador, referred to. It bans emoluments for american officials. Sheri dillon issued kind of fro from the bench her constitutional ruling, quite clear about what is and is not an an emolument. Heres what she had to say. Since President Elect trump some people want to define emoluments to cover routine Business Transactions like paying for hotel rooms. They prevent what the
President Elect isnt aware of. These people are wrong. Youre wrong ambassador is that correct . Like many of her clients tweets and statements, its tolly incorrect. The Emoluments Clause, its a fancy 18th century word. All its intended to say is that president s of the United States cannot get cash and other benefits from Foreign Governments and you can understand why that would be a coern, how cane know if somebodys getting these 2 llion offers. Right. Lets say that came from a Foreign Government. We dont know if a Foreign Government was involved in that or not. How can we know theyre doing whats in the best interest of the United States . The founders were very concerned about that. They put this in the constitution and donald trump is allowing all of that to
continue. Its absolutely shocking. Ambassador norm eisen and richard painter, gentlemen, you have been really, really helpful in understanding and navigating all this and i thank you for your time tonight. Thank you, chris. Still to come, Filmmaker Michael Moore with his reaction to the slights, vendettas and Unanswered Questions from the President Elects first Press Conference. As that Press Conference was going on, we got our first chance to hear trumps pick for Secretary Of State and his somewhat inconsistent views about russia. Well dive into the Rex Tillerson hearing ahead. Let me ask you this question is Vladimir Putin a war criminal . I would not use that term. Well, let me describe the situation in aleppo and perhaps that will help you reach that conclusion. vo maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles. Or here, when you walked away without a scratch. Maybe it was the day your baby came home. Or maybe the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. Every subaru is built to earn your trust. Because we know what youre trusting us with. Subaru. Kelley blue books most trusted brand. And best overall brand. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. A body without proper Footd Needssupport can mean pain. The dr. Scholls kiosk maps your feet and recommends our custom fit orthotic to stabilize your foundation and relieve foot, knee or lower back pain from being on your feet. Dr. Scholls. Of this is the equivalent of being made to go to the back of the bus. It is a petty strategy and the record should reflect my consternation at the unprecedented process that braug us here. The Confirmation Hearing of senator Jeff Sessions. Congressman Cedric Richmond had strong words for the Senate Judiciary committees decision to place key testimony against sessions from members of congress at the end of todays hearing. The former chairman of the Judiciary Committee and Ranking Member senator Patrick Leahy said he cannot remember a time when lawmakers who testified were put at the end of the hear. Among those testifying at the end of the hearing today, Civil Rights Icon and congressman john lewis and senator cory booker who today we believe just became the first sitting senator to testify against a colleague in a Confirmation Hearing ever. If confirmed, Senator Sessions will be required to pursue justice for women, but his record indicates that he
wont. He will be expected to defend the equal rights of gay and lesbian and Transgender Americans but his record indicates that he wont. He will be expected to defend Voting Rights but his record indicates that he wont. It doesnt matter how Senator Sessions may smile, how friendly he may be, how he may speak to you. We need someone who can stand up, speak up and speak out for the people that need help. Joining me now, share lynn ifill. Share lynn, i should be clear your organization has been a strong opponent of Senator Sessions. Let me ask you if you saw anything in the last two days that changed your mind . No, i didnt see anything that changed my mind. In fact, chris, i saw several
things that deepened the concerns that we expressed about Senator Sessions, weve been familiar with him since 1985 when lawyers at the Naacp Legal Defense Fund represented three civil rights activists, two of whom had been Close Friends of Martin Luther king who Senator Sessions prosecuted when he was u. S. Attorney in alabama. They were acquitted but that prosecution had longstanding affects on that community in terms of intimidating black voters who were questioned by the fbi and who Senator Sessions allowed to be intimidated by members of his team. So weve known him and his record for a long time. What i heard yesterday was in my view what is a very cynical effort to dismiss a record of over 40 years Senator Sessions has been a u. S. Attorney, the Attorney General of alabama for about two years and then the a United States senator and in that time weve had an
opportunity to see where he stands on a variety of civil rights issues. He was rejected, as you know, by the Senate Judiciary committee in 1986 when he sought to become a Federal District judge because they found that the evidence of that prosecution and statements he was accused of making made him unsuited to be a Federal District judge. Yesterday he said he was wrongly characterized, you can find our report on our web site that starts looking not only from 1985 but up to this century and 2017, including during the campaign of President Elect trump where Senator Sessions was a close ally and was the first sitting senator to endorse President Elect trump. I want to talk about one specific area that ive been following myself for a book i wrote and something you and i have spoken about, which is policing. Particularly because this Justice Department under President Obama i would say,
particularly in the second term, has played a muscular role in the Civil Rights Division in patterns and Practices Investigations of cities from chicago to cleveland to baltimore to ferguson and Consent Decrees that are federal efforts to reform policing externally for localities that have proven to be unable to do that for themselves. Heres what Senator Sessions had to say about those Consent Decrees today. Take a listen. Its a difficult thing for a city to be sued by the Department Of Justice and to be told that your Police Department is systematically failing to serve the people of the state or the city. So thats an august responsibility of the Dow Jonat General and the Department Of Justice so they often feel forced to agree to a Consent Decree just to remove that stigma. That was obviously yesterday. What do you make of that answer . Well, i think you have to combine it with even more testimony yesterday, the fact he was endorsed by the Fraternal Order Of Police, there was a phalanx of Law Enforcement there to support him yesterday and the head of the Fraternal Order Of Police testified on his behalf today and they all essentially said the same thing, and what they said and what i heard out of the mouth of Senator Sessions is that he intends to be a champion of local police, that he does not believe the federal government through the Department Of Justice should be intruding in local policing matters. He said specifically he thinks that too many people, including the department, are paintin entire place departments as being engaged in unconstitutional conduct when in fact its just a few officers, a few bad apples, something weve heard before. We hes a proponent of that view. He has been skeptical about Consent Decrees for many years, not just recently. But what we heard from him at this hearing makes me quite
certain that Senator Sessions, if he is confirmed, will be taking a very different tack on policing reform. I do not expect pattern and practice investigations, i do not expect Consent Decree. I hope he will continue work of the cops office that works on retraining Police Departments but that remains to be seen. I was not encouraged by what i heard from his lips yesterday and what i heard today. As you know, local practices like in ferguson, it was the Department Of Justice that discovered this kind of Pyramid Scheme that ferguson was running, it was Department Of Justice that discovered unconstitutional policing in baltimore and we need to Department Of Justice to be engaged in that activity. Those patterns and practices report which is you can find on line are remarkable reading produced by that same department that the senator would be running, sherrilyn ifill, thank you for your time. Thank you, chris. Up next, nine days away from his inauguration, President Elect donald trump escalated his feud with his own Intelligence Agencies by and im not making this up comparing them to nazis. That story after the short break. Just thinking about it . At red lobsters big festival of shrimp, get your perfect pair for just 15. 99. Choose 2 of 6 new and classic shrimp creations, like bold new firecracker red shrimp. Exploding with flavor . Yeah they are. Or try new creamy shrimp linguini, and new sweet bourbonbrown sugar grilled shrimp. Flavors like these are big. And for just 15. 99, they cant last. So hurry in. So we know how to cover almost almoanything. Hing, even a rodent ridealong. [dad] alright, buddy, dont forget anything [kid] i wont, dad. [captain rod] happy Tuesday Morning captain rod here. Its pretty hairy out on the interstate. Traffic is literally crawling, but there is some movement on the eastside overpass. Getting word of another collision. [burke] it happened. December 14th, 2015. And we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum
trump referring to an unverified dossier containing embarrassing claims about his alleged ties to russia which was prepared by a thirdparty individual, not members of the Intelligence Community, and published not by the Intelligence Community but by buzzfeed news. That came after the President Elect opened his Press Conference with a Broadside Against American intelligence officials whom he blames for talking to the press. I want to thank a lot of the News Organizations here today because they looked at that nonsense that was released by maybe the Intelligence Agencies, who knows but maybe the Intelligence Agencies which would be a tremendous blot on their record if they, in fact, did that, a tremendous blot. And in a particularly astonishing moment, frankly, the President Elect admitted openly to Setting Traps for the Intelligence Community in an attempt to find out whether theyve been leaking about his classified briefings. I said maybe its my office. Maybe my office. And what i did is i said i wont tell anybody, im going to have a meeting and i wont tell anybody about my meeting with intelligence, nobody knew, not even ronne, my Executive Assistant for years. She didnt know. I didnt tell her. The meeting was had, the meeting was over, they left and immediately the word got out that i had a meeting. Now based on the reporting over the past few weeks and admittedly its a lot of Anonymous Sources and hard to make sense of its clear at least a significant portion of the american intelligence apparatus appears to believe that the incoming president of the United States, their future boss is potentially the turned asset of a foreign adversary and at the same time that same man, the President Elect, seems to think that the intelligence apparatus is out to destroy him politically by staging a kind of soft coup. Its a recipe for a major constitutional crisis in the very near future. And the urinar. 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Tillerson has had extensive contact with the russian government as the ceo of exxonmobil, even winning russias Order Of Friendship Award in 2013 after making a half trillion deal with the governmentowned oil company. Asked about russias role in the election, he sounded a somewhat different note than his would be boss. Do you believe during the 2016 president ial Campaign Russia Intelligence Services directed a campaign of active measures involving the hacking of emails, the strategic leak of these emails, the use of Internet Trolls and the dissemination of fake news . I did read the interagency report released on january 6. That report clearly is troubling and indicates that all of the actions you just described were undertaken. Senator bob menendez, a democrat, asked whether tillersons responses reflect the views of the President Elect himself. I assume to some degree youve had some discussion about what it is that that world view is going to be in order to understand whether youre willing to execute that on behalf of the person youre going to work for. In a broad construct in terms of the principles that are going to guide that, yes, sir. I would have thought russia would be at the top of that considering the actions taking place, is that did that not happen . That has not occurred yet, senator. Thats pretty amazing. Senator menendez asked tillerson about his companys history of opposing economic sanctions including those leveed against russia for its invasion of crimea. This was the response. First, i have never lobbied against sanctions personally. The company you directed did. To my knowledge exxon never lobbied against sanctions, not to my knowledge. New jersey senator bob menendez. Shortly after that your colleague senator corker said mr. Tillerson i believe you called me to lobby against sanctions. Later in the Committee Meeting you then pulled out the Lobbying Disclosure forms that showed exxon had filed disclosure forms to lobby on sanctions. Do you believe that mr. Tillerson was being deceptive with you today . Well, he was either avoiding the truth or his Management Style has got to be ofoncern as he seeks to head one of the biggest departments of the federal government, the State Department, not only with its operations here but across the world. Its impossible to almost believe that you could spend and direct millions of dollars in bobbying activities as those reports that i submitted for the
record show and not know that was happening and not know they were lobbying against sanctions. The second thing he said to me when i presented the evidence, he said to me well, it doesnt say whether we were lobbying for or against. In what world would he have lobbied for sanctions that would have hurt the bottom line of his company . So it clearly was at least not transparent and worrisome because if he really didnt know, how do you operate a Large Institution like the State Department and whats your Management Style . He also exxonmobil responded saying lets be clear, we engaged with lawmakers to discuss sanction impacts, not whether or not sanctions should be opposed although that strikes me as a distinction without a difference if you come to a Members Office and say this is going to hurt our bottom line you dont have to say thats why you should oppose it. Absolutely. Mr. Tillerson said it was to seek information and guidance. Well, you dont have to have a Lobby Disclosure Form in order
to seek information or guidance. You have a Lobby Disclosure Form because you are taking a specific position for or against a specific piece of legislation or regulatory action. That thing about getting information is not tenable because you dont need to do that to file a disclosure form. They were clearly lobbying against sanctions on iran, russia and other iterations of those sanction regimes. So was this fundamentally deceptive . I asked at the beginning but he says he never personally lobbied then you have your colleague saying you called me. Do you feel the answers he gave today were forthcoming and truthful . No, i have serious questions as to what he answered. On the whole sanctions regime, which is part of our limited arsenal of peaceful Diplomacy Tools so you dont have to go to war over disputes, he had it all over the place. He has a history of lobbying against it to exxonmobil then he says they can be powerful a
powerful tool. And when i asked him today, without specifying with sanctions, do you not believe on the face of everything russia has done including trying to affect our own National President ial elections that additional sanctions should be called for and he wouldnt commit to that. So i have a real concern as to where he stands as it relates to that and other issues. All right, senator bob menendez, thank you for your time, appreciate it. Thank you. Still to come, todays Press Conference served as a stark reminder of the temperament of the incoming president. Ill talk about it with Michael Moore ahead. Plus, a truly, truly bizarre thing 1, thing 2 that you have to see after this break. 90 of the Worlds Largest supercomputers run on intel . That means you can take a universe of data in your case literally and turn it into medical discoveries, diagnostic breakthroughs. Proof that black holes collapse into one singularity. I dont know what that is. But yes. Innovation runs on supercomputers. And supercomputers run on intel. You are super smart. And super busy. Ooh ufo false alarm, eyelash has been a struggle. I considered all my options with my doctor, who recommended oncedaily toujeo®. Now im on the path to better blood sugar control. Toujeo® is a longacting insulin from the makers of lantus®. It releases slowly, providing consistent Insulin Levels for a full 24 hours, proven full 24hour blood sugar control, and significant a1c reduction. And along with toujeo®, im eating better and moving more. Toujeo® is a longacting, manmade insulin used to control High Blood Sugar in adults with diabetes. It contains 3 times as much insulin in 1 milliliter as standard insulin. Dont use toujeo® to treat diabetic ketoacidosis, during episodes of low blood sugar, or if youre allergic to insulin. Allergic reaction may occur and may be life threatening. Dont reuse needles or share insulin pens, even if the needle has been changed. The most common side effect is low blood sugar, which can be serious and life threatening. It may cause shaking, sweating, fast heartbeat, and blurred vision. Check your Blood Sugar Levels daily while using toujeo®. Injection site reactions may occur. Dont change your dose or type of insulin without talking to your doctor. Tell your doctor if you take other medicines and about all your medical conditions. Insulins, including toujeo®, in combination with tzds
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bother. You have a few sitting in front of us. As far as buzzfeed which is a failing pile of garbage writing it, i think theyll suffer the consequences. They already are. Im not showing tax returns, theyre under audit. Reporter every president since the 70s has had an audit. Reporter since youre attacking us, can you give us a question . Mr. President elect, since you are attacking not you. Not you. Reporter can you give us a chance . Your organization is terrible. Im not going to give you a question, i i can you state categorically you are fake news. That man not the man sitting down, the man standing up, is about to become the most powerful person in the world. I will ask Filmmaker Michael Moore what that means for our democracy next. Dont let the food you eat during the day haunt you at night. Nexium 24hr. Shuts down your stomachs active acid pumps. To stop the burn of frequent heartburn. All day and night. Have we seen them before . Banish the burn with nexium 24hr. Were not professional liathletes. But that doesnt mean were giving up. Im in this for me. For me. Along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. Lowering a1c by up to 1. 2 points. Do not take if allergic to farxiga. If you experience symptoms of a serious allergic reaction such as rash,. Swelling, Difficulty Breathing or swallowing,. Stop taking and seek medical help right away. Do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems,. Are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. Tell you doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine,. Or pain while you urinate. Farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital Yeast Infections in women and men, serious urinary tract infections, low blood sugar, and kidney problems. Stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away. If you have signs of ketoacidosis. Which is serious and may lead to death. Im in this for my family. Im in this for me. Ask your doctor about farxiga. And learn how you can get it for free. So we know how to cover almost alanything. Ything, even mermutts. 1940s aqua music burke and we covered it, february third, twentysixteen. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum for patients like lynn, advanced Genomic Testing may lead to other Treatment Options that can work. Learn how Genomic Testing is changing the way we fight cancer at cancercenter. Com genomics
well, first of all, ill speak as a director, then, as a film director. It was a masterful performance, he owned the room, he owned the day, this should be very distressing to everyone. You think it was politically effective today . Absolutely. Especially for he and his side. As showmanship . As such i did this in my hold. Take those same words you just showed you are fake news. Put those words in nixons mouth, it would have sounded like the paranoid that nixon was. Put those words in george w. Bushs mouth, you know, it would have sounded defensive like a little boy. This guy pulls that off and he pulls it off over and over and over again and confuses the situation with so much you dont know we dont have enough time here to deal with everything that was said and done but speaking as a director, once again, the props, the trump steaks were replaced by file folders that by the way, i dont know if this has been
reported, they wouldnt let the reporters we did. One of our own reporters tried to look. Yeah, because of course somebody went to staples and hour earlier. I dont know but that certainly is plausible. Creatined this problem that looks like a law students dorm room, you know . It really its like obviously weve thought this through and obviously weve addressed the Conflict Of Interest, just look at how many sheets of paper there are. Just look at all this paper in an era where none of this is really on paper. So this is where now after this what happened today the threat against cnn and nbc has suffered the same sort of threat before. He attacked our reporter Katy Tur On Multiples on occasions. Absolutely. So now its critical that the media do its job and do not be afraid, do not back down, do not try to because buzzfeed screwed up in some way because of the Michael Cohen thing,
dont now not do your job because this clearly was something that wasnt vetted. So heres my youre referring to that dossier which circulated, published by buzzfeed that contained a bunch of unverified and possibly unverifiable, frankly, outlandish and lurid accusations. You could tell from the first moment that in a smart tactical sense they were going to attack the weakest point so that was distinct from the cnn report, right . But he conflate it had two very wisely, i thought, to attack them both and correct. And the main story, really, if youre a serious journalist, Isnt The Salacious prostitute stuff. Its the second point which is was there collusion between the Trump Campaign and any russians during the campaign . Thats worthy of the investigation that apparently the fbi and others are doing right now. We should note jim acosta that was the question he was asking, can you state
categorically it was dodged. Acosta then said afterwards someone from abc asked that and the President Elect said no so i want to enter that in the record. Heres my question to you. I have watched this play out in the transition period and what ive noticed is this. Donald trump ultimately became President Elect i think because he was able to profit off a forced choice between himself and Hillary Clinton and hick because of 30 years in The Public Eye because of different factors, he was able to say you may not like me but its me or her. It strikes me he has replaced Hillary Clinton with the media. He is now running against the media. The scary part of that analogy is you have hillary who won but because of the democrats and who they are and the way they are she lost. Well, she didnt win in the sense that she did not win the 270 electoral votes necessary to become president. Well, let me put it a different way. If donald trump had won by Three Million popular votes things would have played out differently. What would be going on right now . I agree. In fact, he laid the ground work for it. Correct. So play that out. So when you say the press has to be uncowed and i agree with you, my own personal perspective on this, they have to focus as much as possible which is very difficult to do, very difficult to do. Yes, right because youre dealing with somebody with certain issues, well call it that just to who likes to pick a million fights. And says a million crazy things. He will in one moment say he believes russia did hack into the dnc and literally less than a minute later say i dont know. Maybe not, maybe it was some other country. Fortunately the 400 pound guy sitting on the bed has been left out of the discussion but it could be other countries. It could be other countries. So this is crazy time but its
so important. Were laughing about this but the media. They said this story has been floating around, did you hear it . I had heard word of it. I didnt read the dossier. But what i had read was david corns piece based off this dossier. In terms of the first order of questions, i think you dont publish that dossier, thats my own personal feeling because you have to verify stuff that you publish. Thats my feeling. No, thats correct. Thank you. And as someone who i myself have had buzzfeed print things about me that arent true so i now youre sounding trumpish. Well, no, its just the truth that this is where this is going to be the undoing of the press if they dont do what you just said, if that kind of serious journalism doesnt happen and and we should point out that nbc
universal is an investor in buzzfeed. Any time thats mentioned it should be said. Yes. They are. So we should say here, though, that that the youre getting at the pay dirt here, what is the term he used . They appropriate this term, fake news. Fake news is this term hes one of the founders of in the the obama era. He created the fake news of the barack obama is not a citizen. And he said that there was intelligence. Thats right. He was called by a reputable source that there was intelligence. He himself was going to he was hiring investigators to support his fake news. He is the godfather of this deck ka decades fake news. For him to say fake news well, this is a great point. As a person who launched his political career off of unverifiable and ultimately incorrect conspiratorial and frankly racist theories about the president s Crypto Kenyan Birth and forged documents and
all this stuff. And the fact that the way he deals with the sex thing is his defense is im a germaphobe. He just admits it publicly on tv im a germaphobe. Like to him that takes care of any sex like sex is all dirty and germy. Whatever. Well thats what he used. This could have never happened. I wont get into the weeds. This couldnt have happened because im a germaphobe and i know where they put the cameras in the hotel rooms, i have hotels. That was also fascinating. But the term fake news and what i found potent about that is describe this specific thing that happened during the election, you see it all the time, in your facebook feed, Denzel Washington endorses donald trump. Thats jus not a true thing and the people that wrote that know its not true. Its not even that important, frankly, but not true. He even tweeted i put out a movie against him called trumpland just before the election and he tweets thank you, Michael Moore, for putting out trumpland. And its like i thought at the time he sees his name in the title. Its to a narcissist its always a great thing to see you name. To be mentioned, yeah. But its just but were through the looking glass. He has appropriated this term to say its a judo move where its its fake news. This was genius today. He pulled it off now well see if the press decides to back down or come back at him. And stay on the conflict story. And stay on the fact that he is a founder of fake news and thats and when he says things like over the weekend i was offered 2 billion. Have you ever heard a president or President Elect ever say yeah, i just got offered 2 billion. And i have to say, i was happy for that moment because it was news, we didnt know that and it concretized precisely the Conflict Problem we have been trying to illustrate on this show. Michael moore, thank you. And thank you and let me just
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