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That. I know you werent. Was it racist . Like i said, i wasnt involved in that. I know you werent. Was it racist . When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Well, theyre not calling them impeachment proceedings, but one week from today the House Judiciary Committee will hold the first in a series of hearings on what its announcement refers to as president ial obstruction and other crimes. House judiciary is, of course, the committee responsible for starting the impeachment process should they choose to do so. And at least half the democratic members of that committee are now on the record calling for just that. As of tonight, a total of 58 house members have come out in support of a formal impeachment inquiry, a number thats grown steadily since Robert Mueller told the public last week in his own voice that he was unable to conclude that the president is not a criminal. Lawmakers are back in washington today for the First Time Since mueller broke his silence after spending the past week working in their home districts. During that time, some of them were confronted by voters demanding they get more aggressive, including House Speaker nancy pelosi, whose speech at the California Democratic Party Convention was erupted by calls for impeachment. Why is it the president wont defend our democracy from this foreign threat . What is the president covering up . The report lays out 11 instances of possible obstruction of justice by the president of the United States. As i told you this is like coming home for me. Another member of House Democratic leadership, House Homeland Security chair bennie thompson, told me that he decided to come out in support of impeachment only after talking to his constituents. Up until i came home this weekend, i had resisted moving forward, but, you know, i represent this district and i listened to the people and i heard them. It didnt matter whether i was in the hole in the wall or the finest restaurant in my district, people would come up and talk to me about this. And let me tell you, it bothers them. First up next week, the Judiciary Committee will hear from legal experts and former u. S. Attorneys on the findings of the Mueller Report. They will also hear testimony from a former white House Counsel, not from don mcgahn, who defied a subpoena to testify two weeks ago, citing the president s invocation of executive privilege. Instead the committee will hear from Richard Nixons white House Counsel john dean, whose public testimony on the watergate coverup was a major turning point in that scandal. These hearings represent a compromise of sorts between different factions of the House Democratic caucus, which disagree on strategy and on whether to use the i word, as the president calls it. One thing there doesnt seem to be a whole lot of disagreement on within that caucus is that the president deserves to be impeached. Whether or not its politically smart. That his conduct as seen in public and the Mueller Report already meets the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors, so much so that the number three House Democrat now says impeachment proceedings are all but inevitable. We do believe that if we efficiently, effectively educate the public then we will have done our jobs and we can move on an impeachment vote. But it sounds like youre you think that the president will be impeached or at least proceedings will begin in the house at some point but just not right now . Yes, thats exactly what i feel. I think weve already begun it. Im joined now by a member of the House Judiciary Committee who supports starting an impeachment inquiry, congressman david cicilline, democrat from rhode island. Congressman, tell me what this hearing a week from today is designed to do. Well, chris, its designed to provide some context with respect to the Mueller Report. Well hear from legal scholars, one several of the nearly thousand u. S. Attorneys who have signed a letter that said the conduct of the president would amount to obstruction of justice and he would be charged if he were not the president. Well hear from john dean, who knows something about coverups and the way a corrupt administration operates, but your kind of leadin suggests there are big divisions in the caucus. I would really say to you the Democratic Caucus is unified on two critical points. One is we must hold this president accountable, that no one is above the law, that the president cannot continue to cover up and prevent us from getting to the truth, and secondly, that in addition to holding him accountable, that we need to continue to deliver on the important priorities that the American People elected us to focus on. Driving down the cost of health care. Taking on the high cost of prescription drugs. Rebuilding the infrastructure of our country. Raising family incomes and taking on the corruption in washington. Weve passed over 100 pieces of legislation consistent with that agenda that will improve peoples lives. Weve got to continue to do that. But the American People also expect us to hold this administration accountable. There is some disagreement in the caucus about the vehicle, the best vehicle to use. But the hearings on monday will be the beginning of our congratulations of the contents of the Mueller Report. It will help bring that report to life for the American People and explain the crimes that are alleged ten separate instances of obstruction of justice. Including efforts by the president to create false documents or encourage people to do that, to encourage people not to tell the truth. These are serious, serious allegations in the Mueller Report. In terms of holding the president accountable, there is also this question of who you can get before you committee. Obviously don mcgahn, bill barr have both defied your subpoenas. I see that theres going to be a vote on tuesday for contempt, it appears, for both of those individuals. How do you see where things stand visavis the kind of obstruction of congress that the executive has doubled down on . Well, i think theres no question that all the members of the committee and all the members of the Democratic Caucus believe that its critical that we have the ability to get witnesses and get documents that we need to conduct our investigations. If we allow the executive branch to simply deny us witnesses or deny documents, the executive branch will be allowed to extinguish executive oversight. That cannot happen. People cannot defy lawfully issued subpoenas. Were really running on two tracks. Well begin a series of hearings before the senate Judiciary Committee. At the same time well move forward on contempt proceedings to compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of documents. Thats what the vote will be next week. That will authorize a Civil Enforcement action. But we really want to make it very clear that we intend to do our work, we intend to use the courts to enforce our subpoenas so we can get to the truth and prevent the president from behaving as if hes above the law and trying to keep this ongoing coverup from continuing. I want to get your response to a little bit of reporting about the president , and this has to do with something that youre working on in your subcommittee on antitrust. In went the president repeatedly told aides such as gary cohn and rob porter and gary kelly to block the at t time warner merger. They didnt listen. His tweet today suggests an attempt to punish a network that he hates. Does that itself open the possibility of impeachment . Using the antitrust powers of the executive to punish bad coverage, where does that stand in your mind . Yeah, its a complete abuse of power. Look, the antitrust enforcement that is required by the department of justice is a quasi judicial proceeding. It has to be free from any political interference. Those are judgements that have to be made based on the facts. Its completely improper for a president to attempt in any way to interfere, and the idea of using the power of the department of justice to punish people that he perceives of giving him bad coverage is a gross abuse of the office and will obviously be part of what were conducting an investigation on with respect to the antitrust subcommittee of the whole issue of antitrust. Yeah. You announced big efforts to look into big tech through that committee today. Its very interesting stuff. I want to have you come back and talk to us about that as that proceeds. Congressman cicilline, thank you very much. Thank you. For more on the first hearing of the Mueller Report im joined by the former chief of staff of harry reid when he was democratic leader in the senate and former congresswoman elizabeth hoeltzman who served n the Judiciary Committee the ven diagram of various parts of the caucus, we should definitely have hearings about what this guy is up to and thats what were getting next week. Right. I think the real problem that the democrats face, well, people who care about democracy face, is that the witnesses who can tell the story are not showing up. And how do you get them . The really critical thing is to get the story of the Mueller Report to the American People. You cant hand a report to a jury and say, convict somebody. Youve got to have live witnesses. And thats the problem here. The story of the Mueller Report hasnt been told to the American People. And it hasnt been told in the first person by the people there, like for instance don mcgahn. John dean, god bless him, but john dean was there 30 years ago, 40 years ago. Correct. He wasnt there now. Don mcgahn sitting up there, but they cant get him to come before the committee. Right. S so what theyre trying to do is figure out how to do that and thats a critical problem for nem. Adam, its interesting to listen to you talk about this because you were an insider. You were in senator harry reids office. You know the view from inside looks very different than sometimes the view from outside. Sometimes properly so and sometimes in a blinkered fashion. Im curious what you make of this strategy and pelosis appearance before the California Democratic party . Speaker pelosi has to bring the caucus along. Thats just a fact. She cant announce shes in favor of impeachment if the caucus isnt there. One of the things that i think was interesting about her appearance is, you know, she laid out the case for essentially why the president deserved to be impeached without saying he deserved to be impeached. Thats sort of one of the things theyre dealing with here. If they lay out the bill of particulars against the president , the automatic reflex question is, well, doesnt he deserved to be impeached. The line theyre trying to walk of making the substantive case against him without saying the i word is tricky because they everyone the power to do it and it begs the question why they dont use the power. Yeah, there is a sort of semantic wrinkle here. When i saw them noticing the hearing and the title is president ial obstruction and other crimes. Its like, well, oththeyre cri. Crimes means crimes. Thats the territory were in. Right. You dont need a crime to be impeached. I think they have to be really careful about the language they use. Yes. I would have said obstruction of justice and other abuses of power. Right. Because i think you fall into a trap that youre going to that the American People expect that you can prove that he committed a crime. Right. Abuse of power. Adam, this little blip, right, this just passed today. The president tells his advisers go block this merger because i dont like the way this company is reporting on me. Its the perfect trump example because its obviously, to me, its an obvious abuse of power. I think it meets the threshold for high crimes and misdemeanors, but they all just ignore him. Time and time again the guy tries to commit massive abuses of power and fails in doing so, so many around him, wait the guy out, you cant trust him. I think thats part of the problem that the democrats have. Right. Thats right. Except for the fact that as of january 1st, 2019, they have the power to do something about it. Right. And i think trump got used to two years of being in control of the white house with a compliant Republican Congress where nobody was doing anything about it. He got in that habit. Democrats i think in some ways got used to the fact that it feels powerless because the media would eventually move on and the story eventually moves on, but they have the power now and they have the power for the if first time to actually do something about these abuses of power, and it really is incumbent on them to do it. I want to play you something weve been watching the sort of president ial candidates react to this. Mayor Pete Buttigieg was on a town hall right before our hour. Really fascinating. This is him and Chris Matthews talking about this question of impeachment. He comes right out and says what he would do. Take a listen. So i do recognize that while were still trying to get information, the investigations are ongoing, there are witnesses yet to come before congress, that there may be some strategic wisdom in following that sequence. Ill leave that to congress. Ive got a followup and its its the its to sort of nail you down. Yeah. If you were voting in congress right now on impeachment, would you vote to impeach . Yeah, i would. Its hard to adams point, right, thats the problem is, when you lay out and say, look, i think the guys abusing power and hes committed hes abused the office, you know, you end up entailed into something. Right. Well, look, there are a lot of parallels with nixon. Thats what i write about in my book. The dangles pardons, thats what nixon was impeached for. Firing the special prosecutor. But nixon succeeded in doing it and trump didnt. Trump did. He fired the special prosecutor. Im sorry, he fired comey. Right, he fired comey. He tried to basically end his own presidency and firing mueller but don mcgahn wouldnt let him do it. Right. Nixon in the end didnt succeed in undermining our whole government. Neither with this president. There is plenty out there. The question is how do you bring the American People along . Mueller sets out part of the case and its critical to bring the American People along, educate them. Thats what happened in watergate. Lets follow that blueprint. Final thing, adam. Our next segment is about some of the legislation sitting on Mitch Mcconnells desk. Its true this house has done a tremendous amount in terms of passing a lot of stuff, whether you agree with the legislation or not. You saw cicilline talk about two tracks. There is this idea that the Domestic Legislation passed out of the house can be the kind of message for democrats and i wonder what you think of that. Yeah, i mean, you know, House Democrats are proud of the fact that they ran and won on health care in 2018 and thats really important. There is a difference now. In 2018 the prospect of republicans taking away health care was a live possibility that drove a constant flood of news out of washington so that buoyed democrats messages. You cant drive messages just by passing bills. The press knows theyre going to die in the senate. Even if they didnt, President Trump would never sign them. You cant drive a message in this saturated environment we have by passing a bunch of bills. Thats well said. Good to have you both on. Next Mitch Mcconnell is holding the senate hostage. Senator chris murphy on the standstill senate in two minutes. Dstill senate in two minutes. Or trips to mars. 4. 95. Delivery drones or the latest phones. 4. 95. No matter what you trade, at fidelity its just 4. 95 per online u. S. Equity trade. 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For example, republicans have been the ones to block a desperately needed disaster passage. Thats far from the only example, particularly in the senate, where majority leader Mitch Mcconnell has stalled bill after bill after bill. That includes the for the people act on Voting Rights and anticorruption. The equality act, which the house passed. It would ban discrimination by Sexual Orientation as well as by gender identity. Theyve also passed a nonbinding resolution to release the full Mueller Report. The violence against women act. And coming up now on 100 days since passage by the house, background checks for gun sales. Those are all bills the senate could have taken up, could take up right now, but have not to the frustration of even some republicans. We need to do more. By we i mean the United States congress. Other than nominations, which are important, and i will come back to that, we have done nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Here with me now a member of the senate, democrat chris murphy of connecticut. Senator, do you agree with your colleague there . Yeah, you know, theres theres Empirical Data to prove it, we have done nothing this year. This week we took two votes this evening and we will take a few more tomorrow and we will wrap up our business on wednesday and leave for the week after having worked for a grand total of three days. The idea that were doing nothing is i think a complaint shared by republicans and democrats. You know, as much as mcconnell or President Trump can complain about the details of the legislation they might object to coming out of the house of representatives, whats so offensive to me and a handful of other republicans and were not even trying to come up with alternatives in the senate. The Republicancontrolled Senate could call up a debate on election security, could call up a debate on health care, could call up a debate on immigration. We could come to our own conclusion in the senate and then we could try to reconcile that with the version coming out of the house of representatives, but what is really difficult to swallow for those of us that worked so hard to get to the United States senate is that were not even trying to do our job any longer. We come in and cast a few votes on nominations and then go home on thursdays. Its really wild. Having covered capitol hill before and this is, i think, in some ways the extension of certain trends that predate this moment. But, you know, you go there and people find Little Things they can get bipartisan coordination on, the election security, where you can put together a bipartisan majority. Is mcconnells theory he just doesnt want anybody to take a hard vote on anything . I dont even get, what is his theory of the case here . Yeah, its hard to figure out. That certainly is one theory, which is that, you know, this cycle he has more incumbent republican senators that are up for election than democrats, and so why put any of them out on a limb . I think part of it is, you know, when you have no idea what the president is going to say on a daily basis. Right. It does get kind of hard to run a legislative agenda. On tuesday you could put up a bill that the president says hes going to sign and by wednesday morning hes openly eviscerating you on twitter over it. So i think there is just a bit of, you know, theyre scared of what the president is going to do on a daytoday basis on legislation. Youve got i just want to focus for a second on something youve worked your entire career on, which is gun safety legislation. Were in the wake of the murder of 11 people at Virginia Tech sorry, Virginia Beach using a firearm. Freudian sleep. I slip. Two gun control measures have come out of the house. Which i suspect would get close to 51 votes in the senate. Maybe. I wonder what you think about those pieces of legislation in a fantasy world in which Mitch Mcconnell brought them up. So, unfortunately, i think the background checks bill exists in our first theory of the case. Which is that Mitch Mcconnell knows he could lose his majority over the issue of background checks. He knows that this is now a critical vote for swing voters in this country. So he doesnt want to put so many of his republican members in a position where they would have to choose between their voters and the nra. Yeah. Its sad to say, but thats what he doesnt want to do. But there is, you know, legislation out there that could get a pretty big bipartisan majority in the senate. If you put legislation on extreme Risk Protection orders, which is this idea that you can go to court to take weapons away from someone who clearly presents a threat to themselves or others, that legislation could probably get 60 votes in the senate and could get, you know, 80 of the house of representatives supporting it. And even that doesnt feel like its coming before the senate any time soon. So, you know, there are there are the tough votes for republicans and then there are easier votes for republicans on the issue of gun safety and mcconnell doesnt seem to be plowing a path forward on any of it. Final question. There was a vote on a budget i believe proposed by rand paul. This is essentially a symbolic document. 22 of your colleagues, senate republicans, voted for it, which would involve massive, sort of incomprehensible cuts to the basics of the American Social welfare state and social safety net, medicare, medicaid, s. N. A. P. , National Institutes of health. Everything would get cut in half if that was right. Listen, give rand paul points for consistency. He has made it very clear that he believes in a government that doesnt provide any notion of a basic safety net for poor people or disabled people or Senior Citizens and he continues that crusade on a regular basis. He found a rather obscure parliamentary post Traumatic Stress disorder point of order before the congress today. It got a handful of votes. In an era where his leadership in the senate has no responsibility for consistency of views, Mitch Mcconnells view on nominating judges in election years at the top of the list right. At least rand paul brings consistency to his job. Thats right, yes. A transparent outlining of an actual vision people can be for or against. Senator chris murphy. Ideas are pretty lost in the republican party, rand paul still has a few of them, albeit very bad ones. 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A total of 14 in all hit the stage for the California Democratic Party Convention to speak before a crowd that is part of the most engaged activist base that the party has to offer. And so with that in mind, perhaps it wasnt much of a surprise when former maryland congressman john delaney got booed for calling medicare for all bad policy. But we need as democrats to build an economy that works, but its got to be with smart policies. Medicare for all may sound good, but its actually not good policy, nor is it good politics. Im telling you. Im telling you. Those boos went on for a full minute and then there was former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, who not only criticized medicare for all and the Green New Deal and socialism all in a matter of minutes. If we want to beat donald trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer. I was reelected i was reelected in a purple state in 2014, one of the worst years for democrats in a quarter century. We shouldnt try to achieve universal coverage by removing private insurance from over 150 million americans. We should not try to tackle Climate Change by guaranteeing every american a government job. Hold on. Hold on. As the Democratic Party we have to create a vision for this country. And John Hickenlooper, 2020 democratic president ial candidate and former governor of colorado joins me now. Governor, was that was that what you were expected or was that what you were seeking in that moment . No, we were aware we might get some boos. Certainly i wasnt planning on it. Let me ask you this. It was interesting. So you talked about that, socialism and yourself, your sort of political bona fides. Youve been elected in 2014, a tough year for democrats in a purple state. When you talk about these issues, do you see this in sort of practical terms that the electorate isnt there with us or in substantive terms that these are bad ideas . No, no, im running for president because i think this country is in a National Crisis of division and trump is fueling it and its taking the country backwards, but socialism isnt the answer. What we did in colorado, we got nonprofits and business, democrats and republicans to get to almost universal health care coverage. We became the number one economy in the country and we beat the nra with some tough new gun laws, right . As a governor but also as a Small Business person, i brought people together to get the big progressive things done that people said couldnt be done. I guess when people talk about bringing people together, right, the question i always ask is, like, what sort of magic do you have or what trick have you figured out that everyone else hasnt, right . Barack obama, i think everyone agrees, whether they liked him substantively or not, one of the most talented politicians in recent memory. Had a huge mandate, hat huge majorities, right . And Mitch Mcconnell basically did everything he could to obstruct him. In what universe does John Hickenlooper not encounter the same problem . Well, i think that in part its who i am. Im the one person running for president who never run for student council. Do you think your personality is such that Mitch Mcconnell is going to bring up stuff because of who you are . No, no, Mitch Mcconnells the exception. Hes a powerful exception. He controls one of the two legislative branches of the United States congress. I understand that. You certainly have to go talk to him just so that the people who follow him and respect him wouldnt feel diminished. In the end youve got to do what youve got to do to get stuff done. And i think both as a Small Business person, i spent 17 years as an entrepreneur and a Small Business person, you learn different skills of negotiation and you build relationships in ways that other people dont. Look at tip oneal and ronald reagan. They hated each other at first, right . They were at each others throats and in the end over a period of time they came to know each other and they got big things done. Right. But tip oneal and ronald reagan, my colleague wrote a very good book about this, that id remedy. Its a different political era. The polarization of the parties hasnt settled in. Southern democrats who are traditionally conservative. There are all sorts of structural things in 30 years that have changed. I think the argument on the oth people on the other side of the debate has is if you go into these polarized politics thinking with a 1984 model, youre going to get the floor wiped with you. Im not using that model. Im using the model of human nature. When i ran for mayor in 2003, they were mostly suburban mayors and hated the city of denver. We got all 34 mayors to unanimously support a tax increase to build the largest Transit Initiative in modern American History and did it collaboratively. You fly in d. I. A. Now and youll see one of the National Models of urban revitalization. That was through collaborative effort. It didnt happen overnight. Aurora hated denver. In the end we got people to work together. When i got elected governor, i was the first denver mayor in 120 years to get elected governor of colorado. That should say something. I want to ask you one more question about your record because you did mention the Green New Deal and youve talked about climate as well. One of the things that happened when you were governor of colorado is that fossil fuel extraction went up tremendously. It was a boon for the fossil fuel companies. I know a lot of that was fracking. When you look at that chart, when people who are really concerned about the Climate Crisis and say we need to get to net zero by 2050, isnt that chart moving in exactly the wrong direction . What we did in colorado, we got the oil and gas industry to sit down with the environmental community. If you look at it, we were the first state they got methane regulations, 20 to 40 times worse for the climate than co2, and in the end the oil and gas industry agreed to pay 60 million a year. The equivalent of removing 320,000 automobiles a year from the roads. No one had ever done that, not in this country as far as i can tell. No other government had done that. If were going to deal with Climate Change, weve got to address methane and get everybody at the table and figure out compromises, otherwise were yelling at each other. John hickenlooper, the governor of colorado, 2020 president ial democratic candidate, thanks so much for making time. You bet. And im going to be talking with another 2020 candidate this coming wednesday. Were heading straight into the heart of Trump Country for a live town hall with president ial candidate Elizabeth Warren in fort wayne, indiana. A red county in a red state as warren tries to prove she is the candidate who can turn the rust belt blue. 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You can see hes still got the golf shoes on and his golf hat, which he remembered to remove after he was already on stage. That removed the new trump hair style, 18hole hat head. A white house spokesman said that the trump made the unplanned stop in vienna, virginia to visit with the past . Pray for the victims of the community in Virginia Beach in the wake of the mass shooting there on friday. The pastor said in a statement that he got a call out of the blue that the president was on his way to the church and wanted them to pray for him. There was no mention of the Virginia Beach shooting at any point in the president s 15minute visit. Pastor platt has now apologized to his congregation for leading the pratt prayyer for trump. If youre looking for a pastor who will do all those things, oh, do we have the guy for you and hes thing two in 60 seconds. Award winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. Theyre americas biopharmaceutical researchers. Pursuing lifechanging cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs. Like a way to fight cancer by arming a patients own tcells. Because its not just about the next breakthrough. Its all the ones after that. Pastor Kenneth Copeland and a televangelist and a member of President Trumps evangelical Advisory Board and hes used his tv platform to preach for trump for years. Youre going to be held seriously, seriously to account by god if you dont vote. I mean, we could have another eight years of Hillary Clinton and the worst mess that anybody could make out of a nation. Like many big time televangelists, Kenneth Copeland has upzed his position to live a pretty curby lifestyle and for some reason he has four, yes, four private jets, one, two, three, four. A bit of scrutiny about that and when a reporter from inn side edition caught up to ask him about it, well, hold on tight. Isnt it true that you want to fly commercial so that you can fly in luxury . How much money did you pay for tyler perrys gulf stream jet, for example . Well, for example, thats really none of your business. Isnt it the business of your donors . Listen, i paid you kind of caught me off guard here, okay . Thank you, lord, help me let me pray just a second. Let me ask you a really simple question. A lot of people think its unbecoming for a preacher to live a life of luxury and to fly around in private jets. Whats your response to that . Very simple. It takes a lot of money to do what we do. Without the airplane that we have that i bought from tyler perry, and i didnt pay anywhere tylers one of the greatest guys. He made it he made that airplane so cheap for me, i couldnt help but buy it. My question okay, all right. I want to get to the demons. People are very concerned about those comments. Give me a chance here, inside edition. I love your eyes. Again, getting back to the comment. 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Bye dennis quaid when insurance is affordable, its surprisingly painless. And everyone ive ever opioloved away from me. Thing everything. I blew my ankle out and i got prescribed pain pills by my doctor. If making my detox public is gonna help somebody im all for it. I just wish i wouldve had a warning. Exclusive reporting tonight from our own Jacob Soboroff, as a courtordered deadline to reunify Migrant Children with their parents approached last summer, 37 kids ages 5 to 12 who were meant to be meeting their parents again were instead left stranded in vans for anywhere from 11 to 39 hours because the i. C. E. Facility holding their parents wasnt ready for their reunification. Msnbc correspondent Jacob Soboroff who just broke this exclusive story along with julia a ainsley joins me now. This is wild and awful stuff. Its beyond awful. There was that refrain over and over again during the separations and again once the courtordered reunifications were supposed to start taking place. Where are the children, particularly the tender aged children . And now we know at least where these 37 children were when they were supposed to be in the process of being reunified with their parents. They were sitting in a parking lot in a white mass senator van, six to eight kids crammed into each van, for as you said, up to 39 hours, and the reason is port isabelle, the i. C. E. Adultonly Processing Center that was supposed to take them in and reunite them with their parents just wasnt ready despite the fact that hhs called and gave them the heads up twice before these kids were brought over, and the idea that the first child was able to get off this van and see their parents after waiting 11 hours is it is hard to believe, but i feel like weve said that way too many times about this man made separation crisis. Youve managed to get your hands on some internal emails, basically the contractor working with the government and watching over the kids flipping out over whats going on. Its completely inappropriate in the eyes of the people that are supposed to take care of these kids. When i was on the air with you from that brownsville shelter, the hhs shelter, the former walmart that held over 1,000 young boys ages 10 to 17, i told you at the time these are people tanked with taking good care, licensed social workers of the separated children and in their care from no fault of their own because the Trump Administration ripped them away from their parents. This contractor, bcms, wrote emails to health and Human Services essentially saying this is unacceptable and we need to come up with a plan so that this does not happen again. It was elevated all the way to commander jonathan white, who was the man in charge of spear heading the communications for hhs who basically said confirmed the anger we could see in these emails. He said you did the right thing for raising this and hhs called i. C. E. In the middle of the night to ultimately get these kids reunified. Jacob soboroff, thank you very much. Thank you. Next, a rare interview with one of the most powerful people in the country and its bad, i mean real bad. The best moments from the kushner interview next. Kushner interview next you should be mad they gave this guy a promotion. You should be mad at forced camaraderie. And you should be mad at tech that makes things worse. But youre not mad, because you have e trade, whos tech makes life easier by automatically adding technical patterns on charts and helping you understand what they mean. Dont get mad. Get e trades simplified technical analysis. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. Exactly. So you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty people wake. And smile, when they see the sun. Not that one. This one. It makes knowing when to take your prescriptions clear as day. Up to fifty percent of people dont take them properly. So at cvs pharmacy we got up early and built a system that helps calculate each persons ideal schedule. Its great for doctors. And caregivers. At cvs pharmacy, were just trying to help more people have more mornings. Jared kushner is literally one of the most powerful people in america and indeed the world i think you can say. Yet despite conflicts of interest so intense he was repeatedly denied security clearances until his fatherinlaw directly intervened on his behalf rngs kushner basically never has to answer for hisment egregious failures in his many white house jobs. And after this latest interview with axios you can see why they keep him away from the cameras. Alexandria ocasio cortez, she calls she has called President Trump a racist. Mmhmm. Have you ever seen him say or do anything that you would describe as racist or bigoted . So the answer is no. Absolutely not. You cant not be a racist for 69 years, then run for president and be a racist. And what ill say is why the democrats call the president a racist, i think theyre doing a disservice to people who suffer because of real racism in this country. Was birtherism racist . Look, i wasnt really involved in that. I know you werent. Was it racist . Like i said, i wasnt involved in that. I know you werent. Mmhmm. Was it racist . Look, i know who the president is, and i have not seen anything in him that is racist. So again, i was not involved in that. Did you wish he didnt do that . Like i said, i was not involved in that. That was a long time ago. Joining me now for more on the president s soninlaw, Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post column exist msnbc krishtd. Its amazing for someone who has as much influential and power as the man apparently does how little you get anything like this. I think there are two things that are confirmed by this. Number one, whoever said he should do this interview should be fired. Number two, it shows you that inherited wealth is often inversely related to intelligence and competence. This man is a man who just rolled out a immigration plan that was pronounced dead on arrival before it got out of a room with republicans. This is a man who rolled out a middle east policy hat secretary of state told a room full of people who are sympathetic to the president this is not going to fly. So he has a perfect record. Yeah, this part on the middle east peace proposal i guess if youre calling it that i thought was interpret a e markable. Jonathan swann who was the interviewer here, does a very good job. Take a listen. Do you believe that the palestinians are capable of governing themselves without israeli interference . I think thats a very good question. I think that thats one that well have to see. The hope is that they over time can become capable. They being the palestinians . The palestinians. Do you understand why the palestinians dont trust you . Look, im not here to be trusted. Im here to well, you are frankly. To look at it from their point of view, and youre a businessman, you always look at things from their view. Youve got three Orthodox Jews on the negotiating table. Two of you have at different points funded settlements, jewish settlements in the west bank. Youve got the actions youve taken so far moving the u. S. Embassy in israel to jerusalem. Youve cut all aid to the palestinians including hospitals in east jerusalem. And youve shut down the palestinian Diplomatic Office in washington. Can you not see why they might not want to talk to you and that they might not trust you . Theres a difference between the palestinian leadership and the palestinian people. Okay . You think the palestinians would be okay with all those things you guys have done . The actions weve taken is because americas aid is not an entitlement. If we make certain decisions which were allowed to as a sovereign nation to respect the rights of another sovereign nation and we get criticized by that government, the response of this president is not to say let me give you more aid. Again, ha was as a result of decisions taken by the palestinian leadership. I mean, this is the guy running this process. Listen, there are those of us who didnt think that the Peace Process was a process at all and this sort of confirms it. Hes certainly thrown dirt on it. This man is an embarrassment to the United States. That hes running around loose talking to foreign powers. And can you imagine what hes saying behind closed doors if this is what he says on air when he knows the cameras are on . This is really is embarrassing. And it just underscores the need to abolish nepotism in the executive branch. Its inexcusable he should have a position of authority. Theres also the case that he lies again or apparently misdirects on this question of his security clearance. I want to play one more clip, which is to me the most egregious thing here is khashoggi and the relationship between kushner and the saudi government, which hacked to death a columnist for the Washington Post. Take a listen. Saudi arabia has admitted that saudi agents strangled and dismembered khashoggi. Islam, judaism, and christianity value burying the dead. Will you join khashoggis fiance in calling on the saudi government to release his body to his family or identify where theyve put the body parts so his loved ones might give him if not a timely burial at least a burial . Look, its a horrific thing that happened. And what weve done is weve called for full transparency. Were working on an investigation to get to the bottom of what happened. Should they return the body . Once we have all the facts then well make policy determinations. But that will be up to the secretary of state to kind of push on our policy and well doefrg we can to try to bring transparency sxktability for what happened. I mean, with respect, the senate has unanimously said Mohammed Bin Salman ordered it. The cia briefed members of the senate who voted that way. I dont know what the administrations waiting for in terms of accountability. I believe that theres a report that theyre working on. Theyve been doing an investigation. And when they have the facts of the investigation, then it will be up to the president to make a determination on what he wants to do. He murdered a columnist for an american newspaper. Yes, he did. He dismembered him. He murdered him. He lied about the murder. And the president of the United States and this individual, his soninlaw, have lied about that again to the American People. Understand also that Jared Kushner was giving Mohammed Bin Salman advice. Contrary to the notion that were trying to get to the bottom of, it hes playing pr agent for the guy who hacked an american journalist. It really is galling. And once again, i think he should be banished from office. And the people who are in charge of Foreign Policy in this administration are doing a bad enough job on their own without introducing Jared Kushner. So i think it would behoove all of them to put him behind closed doors and have him not make any more public statements. As far as the saudis go, we have not paid we have not forced them to pay any price. The congress has condemned this. The congress has voted. The white house is stalling. The white house lies. And this is just unacceptable. And i think the United States Congress Needs to consider further steps to make sure that our disapproval, to put it mildly, of the saudis is felt. Yeah, it is remarkable. I come back to this time and again. The America First campaign, the America First president , who is putting american interests behind the interests, quite frankly, in front of all of us, of Mohammed Bin Salman who runs the saudi kingdom. Jennifer rubin, thank you very much. Youre welcome. That is all in for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Good evening, chris. Thanks, my friend. Much appreciate it. Thank you to you at home. Thanks for joining us. Happy to have you with us. This is the largest u. S. Air base in the middle east. It is a Logistics Hub for ongoing u. S. Operations in afghanistan and iraq. It is a key asset for the u. S. Military in terms of its air power. Among other places in the Syrian Civil War and in every engagement and Training Mission in the region. This is a huge base

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