Plus, the culpability of his supporters. The sycophants around him have led us i think to a dangerous place. And white house photographer pete souza working for president obama. It tells you something about barack obama. That at the behest of a young kid you would bend over and let that young kid touch your head. And why he could never work for President Trump. I couldnt work for trump because i dont respect him and, you know, i dont think hes a decent human being. From studio 6a in rockefeller plaza, all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes, and it is a special occasion. Were doing our firstever holiday show in front of a live studio audience here in 30 rock. And how do you know its a holiday show . Well, there you go. So we started doing these friday night shows with a live studio audience in 6a back in august, and were going to keep doing them next month. And throughout ive gotten to speak to all sorts of amazing people. Like jean mayer, the brilliant journalist marsha guessen and dogged Trump Foundation tracker david farenhold. I get to sit down and talk to my guests in person for a big chunk of time. It has allowed us to take some conversation to some really fascinating places. Tonight were going to look back at a few of them including when white house photographer pete souza took me through his favorite pictures of president obama and when Steve Schmidt weighed in on what he called the retreat and decline of america in the world. And came on the day that the former ambassador to ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified in the impeachment hearings and if you recall she was abruptly recalled from her post in the wake of this gnarly smear effort by Rudy Giuliani and amplified by trump tv and the president s own son. And while she was partly testifying about all this President Trump himself went after her. As we sit here testifying the president is attacking you on twitter, and id like to give you a chance to respond, ill read part of one of his tweets. Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in somalia. How did that go . Ambassador, youve shown the courage to come forward today and testify. Notwithstanding the fact you were urged by the white house or state department not to. Notwithstanding the fact that as you testified earlier the president implicitly threatened you in that call record and now the president in realtime is attacking you. What effect do you think that has on other witness willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing . Well, its very intimidating. Designed to intimidate, is it not . I mean, i cant speak to what the president is trying to do, but i think the effect is to be intimidating. Of course one of the sharpest rejoinders of the president attack came from one of the sharpest tweeters of the Democratic House caucus, congresswoman ocasiocortez. She tweeted, trump himself is clearly not satisfied with one only article of impeachment. His choice to publicly broadcast his own personally authored witness intimidation means he wants to signup for another article on obstruction of justice, too. The congresswoman joined me right here that very night. Hey, how are you . Good to see you. Have a seat. I guess its not surprising the president did that. No, not surprising at all. Im sure and it certainly seemed my republican colleagues were scrambling after he sent out those tweets trying to provide some kind of cover. I mean its a theyre really beclowning themselves at this point trying to somehow find a way to both preserve their careers and their futures while protecting this president , and theyre not possible. And theyre going with the latter. Youre someone who i think you came to congress with a very strong vision and agenda. You were clear about that when in your primary that you won and theres an interesting debate about this impeachment and about the president that has to do with, you know, is this the best use of legislative time . Youve seen some republicans saying its not. As someone who has an agenda that you want to pass, you want to see happy, how do you view impeachment in that context . Well, im not very concerned about it because were able to legislate while this is happening. Just yesterday, i introduced our first piece of Green New Deal legislation which was around Public Housing and decarbonizing our entire Public Housing stock in the United States. And so, its not coming at the cost of legislating. Some say mass media may cover our proposals a little bit less but i love you but i dont think im going to get like a decarbonization like 8 00 p. M. Time slot. So its okay. I think were legislating, were working for people and holding the president accountable and its all possible. Do you how do you view the stakes as here . I think some people think hes bad in a normal way, some in an abnormal way. Some think he genuinely represents like an actual real existential constitutional threat to the order of the republic. Where are you on that scale . Yeah, its bad. Its really bad. Its not normal bad. It is threat to the republic and to the order of American Society bad. And if we dont hold this accountable, then we really erode rule of law in the United States of america. And really what makes america different when people say i want to do business here, i want to write books here, i want to take my family here, i want to raise and be around american ideals, a lot of it has to do with the reliability that people the right people will be held to account, that there are consequences for doing wrong, for hurting people and also that this is a fair country where everyone is treated equally. But isnt that often uttered in the breach as not. One of the things that i think helps him is theres so much cynicism about that exact thing. Theres a lot of corruption big money and big pharma and big oil and big gas have taken over our entire political system, and there are a lot of systemic threats, but that doesnt mean that just because some things are broken, you throw out our entire country and set it on fire. And at its core, the most sacred document in our society is the constitution of the United States. Everything else is very easily amenable, but this is not. And once we erode the general respect for the constitution, then we essentially erode respect for the United States of america, and thats what this president has done. You theres a report this week about Stephen Miller who is the president s point person on immigration. In fact to the extent that he is, hes kind of run russia out of dhs as an independent agency that functions. There are about 700 emails of his leaked in which hes cultivating breitbart reporter and pushing White Nationalist themes that immigrants are criminal and hes recommending racist books. Youve called him for him to resign and youve start ed a h6a petition, why . If we have a White Nationalist at the helm of u. S. Immigration policy, it means that u. S. Immigration policy will become increasingly more fascistic, and we cannot allow that to be us. And so long as Stephen Miller is in charge of u. S. Immigration policy, hundreds of thousands of peoples lives are going to be endanger. Over 70, or around 70,000 Migrant Children have been detained and including child separation, including horrific conditions, including Young Children who have died in u. S. Custody, this is not normal. And when we have its nuts because earlier this year when i echoed the consensus of experts, of historians, and political scientists in saying the conditions at our border, the mass expansion of detention camps qualifies as concentration camps, everybody thought it was nuts, right . Until we realized this week Stephen Miller is no joke die hard White Nationalist. This is what our policy has become. And in order for us to rectify and to begin to heal as a country, he has got to go. [ cheers and applause ] i feel duty bound to note that millers defenders i think miller himself would say im jewish myself, i come from a jewish family and its offensive for you to invoke that word particularly as regards someone who is jewish. Well, im sure thats also the way in which hes weaponized his identity, right . Like, you know, they say and theres this the color of your skin and the identity you are born with does not absolve you of moral wrong. You know, it doesnt. And the perfect person the perfect looking person to advance horrifically inhumane immigration policy would be someone that looks like me or someone that looks like somebody in this audience because thats what provides the cover for these incredibly damaging and dangerous policies. So im not here to weaponize my identity, and i dont think any Public Servant should weaponize their identity in order to advance White Nationalist ideas. Period, i dont care who you are. You you recently endorsed senator Bernie Sanders and you were just out in iowa. This is your first trip to iowa. It was, it was. The bronx goes to iowa. It was. It was a clash of cultures in a beautiful way. But it was heres my question yeah, there you go. You know, this is not a question about your choice to endorse sanders or its more a broader question about these two ways in which people are talking about the primary. One is like, youve got to be realistic, this is crazy, we cant do medicare for all, we cant do a Green New Deal. You guys are out of your minds. And the other is go big or go home, bold solutions, you stake out your position and fight for it. Im sympathetic to that latter one but i do feel theres a little overcorrection sometimes where its like there is a political reality here, and it seems to me the debate had a bit of angels dancing on the head of a pin quality, which medicare for all are we going to do . Do we have the votes in the house right now . How do you square this sort of politically possible and bold vision in your head as a sitting member . Well, for me and my personal political strategy, and this is what ive practiced, is to come in with the boldest vision possible because the political reality hits the fan on the floor of the house. So let that happen down the road we need to come in strong. Dont do it ahead of time is what youre saying . Yeah, dont bargain and negotiate with yourself ahead of time, and dont kind of be overly cynical about this political moment. Because what we have right now, frankly, with donald trump in the white house is a moment to create a unique moment to create a Mass Movement of americans to push for everything that we want and all that we deserve. So we dont need to negotiate with ourselves before we do that. You said this thing when you were endorsing sanders that has really stuck with me, and i feel like youve been very honest about this, about the pressure to conform. That you show up in congress and theres just pressure to conform. What does that pressure feel like . How does it manifest itself . What do you mean by that . Well, that pressure is like a vice, and there are so many different mechanisms in congress that create that pressure. One, for example, is the fact that any bill in legislation that is being voted on is not really debuted to members until about 48 hours before the vote. And so sometimes these bills, they go through markup, they go individual committees and we all sit on different committees so theres no way we can all be at every markup at the same time. But they move through markup, but we often dont know what a street is coming until its according to house rules 48 hours ahead of time. Which is an improvement on 24 hours ahead of time. And so were talking about pieces of legislations that are thousand pages long, and you say wait, wait, this is really big problem, thats a really big problem and they say are you on our side or not . And theres all this lobbyists, you know, authored provisions that are slipped inside. Sometimes were able to catch them and take them out. We did that quite a few times in appropriations where we found a couple of fossil fuel amendments, but theres a real intense pressure to conform, yeah. Do you feel like that intense pressure to confirm, theres also how do you balance like im entering this institution that i ran against in some ways, that i viewed as corrupt from the outside. Now im inside it, and i dont want to sellout, and i dont want to be sanded down to conform, but also i want to learn how the place works. And those seem to me like those can be impulses that are intentionally do you feel that way . I think, well, they are naturally intentioned but thats kind of where an individuals personality comes through. So if you just think that a persons politics defines who they are and you see every person that is on the other side of you as almost a personal enemy, that creates a huge amount of problems for you. But when you see the result of our political process and the things that come out of congress as the natural result of pressures on our system, then you can treat the individuals inside that system as human. But also it also almost i dont like using the word civility in politics because i think its a term to police how people talk. Yeah, youre going to get dragged on twitter now. Exactly, but i do think theres an element where if i respect you like people know my political positions when i walk in there. And whats great is that they know exactly how i feel and who i am, and so they know not to come to me with certain things. And they also know that probably saves you some conversations. It saves me a ton of time, a ton of time. But they also you know they also are willing to reach out to me on unusual things that they feel would fit in the consistency of my values. Do you like being a member of congress . I do. I do like being a member of congress. I think being a Public Servant is the greatest honor of my life. The bronxs own congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez. Thank you so much. Coming up, we have Steve Schmidts return to msnbc and from our very first live friday show pete souza talks about throwing shade. Dont go anywhere. Ere. Ere. I am totally blind. And non24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. Talk to your doctor, and call 8442142424. Make familysized meals fast, and because its a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. The ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. When you take align, you have the support of a probiotic and the gastroenterologists who developed it. Align naturally helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets, 24 7. So, where you go, the pro goes. Go with align, the pros in digestive health. Wthats why xfinity hasu made taking your internetself. And tv with you a breeze. Really . Yup. 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So you were working for Howard Schultz who was a starbucks ceo who toyed with a run. How was that . Howd that go . Well, he as you know he thought about being a candidate for president. He took a look at it closely and in the end he decided dont want to be a candidate for president , so im delighted to be back. Thats what youve got to say about that . I do, yeah. What has it been like to if not take a step back from the news because i imagine you consume it, but just to watch the arc of the news and not be intimately involved on commenting on it . I think it gives you a different perspective in that youre not talking about it three times, four times, five times a day, havent tweeted in nine or ten months. And so its healthy to some level just to step back from all of it. I mean, part of i think living a democracy is freedom from the leader, the ubiquity of the president constantly in your face. This is not something you see in normal democracies. We ought to have freedom from our politicians. They shouldnt be the central figures in our lives, the all consuming and deeply worrying manner that they are. [ applause ] thats a really great point. I mean, there are many ways in which just to i think a core instinctual and visceral level he really does have much affection for strongmen bought actually likes that system and in some ways has oriented our political culture around that vision. I think one of the things there was a trilogy of fdr books that were completed by and im blanking on the authors name, but he talked about the fact that fdr, he was architecting the world we live in today and he said to the canadian Prime Minister that the ambition wasnt this new world order, this americanled liberal global order, wasnt that it would last forever. He only wanted it to last for as long as every person who was alive on the day the war ended was still alive, and its had a good run. But you see this week in stark ways the retreat and decline of american influence in the world. We see the ability of the chinese culturally to impose silence on some of our most famous athletes, some of our most outspoken citizens. We see the filling of the middle east with russian influence as opposed to american. We see americas adversaries with license to move. We see chaos in the world. And so weve entered this consequences stage of the trump presidency. And i think when we look at it we should take very seriously what the former head of the u. S. Special Operations Command admiral William Mcraven said and he said the republic is under attack from within by the president. Were moving into a very, very serious time in this country now. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with. 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But i feel like you have a better sense its psychologically fascinating the disassociation you see playing out as if the silence and the acquiescence to the nonstop lying, to the corruption, to the incompetence, that none of that accumulated to this moment. As if they have no responsibility for it. So he will have been elected three years ago. He has been president for a substantial period of time. And his behavior is getting worse because of the license that hes been given by members of the congress who are who are members of a coequal branch of government who have subordinated these institutions to the strongman president , who, as admiral mcraven has said is a real threat to the republic. There was a bipartisan vote in the house condemning the syria policy. There might be one in the senate. I guess i wonder, does it matter more than this issue . Theres some line of argumentation that you could see republican senators start to get freaked out about the very durability of the countrys interests being vouched safe by the man in charge of it that might make them more open or more willing to break with trump on other things. But do you think that is true . We havent seen it so far. This is the first instance because the incompetence of the decision and the consequences of that decision. We have hundreds of isis fighters have escaped from prison. Theyre not going to go to community college. What theyre going to do is kill people, and theyll kill people in western capitals. We see a Foreign Policy disaster really of unprecedented dimensions. And the consequences of that disaster will be felt for years. We dont know whats going to happen. We dont know how any of this will play out other than to say that trump has unleashed vast quantities of human suffering. He has destabilized the most destabilized region in the world, and he has harmed deeply the National Security interests of this country. I want to sort of play devils advocate for a bit on this. One thing as i wichd this, i imagine a future in which a democratic president even a republican president withdraws from afghanistan, something i think has to happen at some point. We cannot be there forever. I worry about the forms of argumentation being made here being used there. Were abandoning our allies, the taliban will rush back in, and i worry about essentially the same kinds of arguments being used then and stopping and promoting a war going on essentially forever. I think one thing is certainly likely to be true is that before the next president ial election we will see the First American soldier, sailor, airman and marine who was born after 9 11 killed in action somewhere in the global war on terror that days events brought. And so the idea that we should have a permanent garrison force for 20, 40, 50 years in afghanistan, i profoundly disagree with. The idea that we can turn afghanistan into a jeffersonian democracy has always been a fools errand. That being said, how we get out has to be as with care, with thought and frankly, a lot greater thought than how we entered into some of these countries. I think the how is a great point. And thats i think part of whats United People so much about this is how insane the how was. I mean, i remember that sunday night all of a sudden twitter lights up and its like, wait, the white house put out a statement on what . Like theres a sense in which you said this before hes getting worse, and ive seen people say this since he came down the escalator. But i felt like the doral decision yesterday felt like some kind of a break because it is so egregious, its indefensible. How do you understand what he did yesterday with that . Its just extraordinary. Theyre like pigs feeding at the public trough. Its this is what the emoluments clause in the constitution directly speaks to. Its what its there for. Its completely, utterly indebatably unconstitutional. Its an extraordinary level of corruption. And the brazenness of it is really at some level you teeter between being outraged and sitting back and laughing. When Mick Mulvaney goes out and says absolutely its the best place. Of all the places its the best one in all the land, doral. There is also a sense in which, you know, there are all these stories in the beginning i found sort of maddening which were clearly i think coming from folks inside the administration of like, dont worry, i got this. This idea of were the guardrails, dont worry, were keeping him in check. That being said, it does seem to me the case there are fewer internal guardrails now. That there were more people before who for whatever reason could distract him and push him off stuff than there are now which is why youre getting the doral decision, getting the insane stunt he tried to pull with a grieving parents whose child was killed. It was like he was meat loafed from an apprentice episode trying to please mr. Trump and the sycophancy has led us to a dangerous place. But now were seeing a level of corruption thats so obvious and deep particularly with ukraine well start to see i think as facts come out there is more nervousness on the republican side than there has been heretofore. Steve schmidt, glad to have you back. Thank you once again. Thank you for coming here tonight. [kristen gasps] employee because you never know what might be behind you. kristen bell does the sloth come standard . kristen bell vo looking to buy . Enterprise makes it easy. Get new deals all day during amazons cyber monday sale. Low prices and Free Shipping on millions of items. 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It was person who i think its fair to say was in so many ways personalitywise very much the opposite. He was disciplined and he turned some of those into a book. Its called shade and joining me now, pete souza. Have a seat. So you started photographing barack obama on the first day that hes sworn in as u. S. Senator when you were with the chicago tribune, right . I was based in d. C. Working for the tribune. When he was elected to the senate in 04 and joined up with him that first day he was sworn in. You know, you have these sort of images like this one where hes walking down the street and no one knows its barack obama. Its interesting, you know, he had this obviously he had a natural profile because of that speech at the convention, but in those sort of early years in a senator he was not that far removed from a guy that took a car to the car wash. And he had still had school loans. This picture was on a trip to russia, so this is sidewalk in red square. Amazing. And hes Walking Around red square and not a Single Person recognized him. And i was very conscious of that because i knew, you know, if he ever did become president this scene would never be repeated. I dont think he could go to red square now no. What was your impression of him in those early years his general sort of personality and how he carried himself . Very laidback. For a photojournalist was an amazing subject in that in the presence of my camera, my presence taking pictures did not bother him in the least. I mean, i use what i call small footprint, im not using a loud motor drive and im trying to be quiet how i went about my business. But he was very unusual in just the presence of my camera not affecting him one way or the other. Do you think that was something about the kind of person he was . Yeah, i think so. How so . I think it being brought up in hawaii. You know, people in hawaii are you know, he was born in hawaii. I dont know if you knew that. [ applause ] i forgot where we ended up on that whole thing, yeah. You know, hes a laidback guy, still is. You then started you were photographing him for the trib and then you worked in the white house, second white house you worked in and you not to see hes sworn in amidst as the world is falling apart. And youre there through all these moments of just unbelievable high stakes and stress. Well, especially those first few years trying to get us out of what was the greatest recession since the great depression. And, you know, hes working every weekend. I mean, i was there every saturday and sunday, he had meetings with his Economic Team trying to figure out what the levers could push to right the economy. So, yeah, it was a stressful time. This was one of the moments of maximum stress and also one of the most famous photographs not just youve taken but i think in the modern era, honestly. This is the night that the bin laden raid happens. Tell us what that was like to be in that room . Well, we were in that room for 40 minutes. They were monitoring the raid as it happened in realtime. People jammed into this little Conference Room right across from the main situation room because this is where the Communications Link had been setup. They did not know that the president wanted to be there while the raid was taking place, so it was sort of a little unexpected. He walked into the room, Brigadier General seated at the head of the table saw the president of the United States walk in, stood up to give up his chair. President obama said to him you stay right where you are, youve got work to do, ill just pull up a chair next to you, which is why hes seated where he is. I also like to point out to people that youve got the most important powerful people in the executive branch of our government all in this room at the same time, and theyre essentially powerless. Theres nothing they can do to affect the outcome of what theyre monitoring. Its up to those guys on the ground. They made their decision in the days and weeks before. And now its up to those guys on the ground, and all they can do is watch. What is it like you had worked in the Reagan White House and obviously youre used to this. Youre a photojournalist, but youre in that room too. All those people are in that room and theyre the most powerful people in the United States government. What is it like for you to be in that room . Did you acclimate yourself so much to be in those situations it didnt stress, didnt penetrate you . I was stressed. It was a stressful situation, and part of it was there were so many people jammed into that room that i picked a corner and i couldnt really move at all. I can remember at one point, my rear end hit a printer and a printer started printing. And bob gates looked at me and just kind of smiled. These are sort of some images that are kind of like the most intense ones that you see the president there, sort of the stress, sort of you can see it bearing down on him. But theres a lot of images you captured that show the human side of the president and the historic nature of the first black president. Theres one photo again that has this iconic view to it now. Its its whats going on in that moment . This is young jake of philadelphia. His dad worked for the Foreign Service was leaving the white house. President obama invited the family in for a family snapshot, and i think it was his mom, jacobs mom said mr. President jacob has a question for you. Imagine being 5 years old in the oval office and your mom just said youre going to ask the president of the United States a question. It was more like mr. President , my friends say that my haircut is just like yours, and president obama bent over and said go ahead and touch it. And i got one frame, and it was over. Thats it, its the one. One frame. And i think the picture resonates for a couple of reasons. One, youve got a 5yearold africanamerican kid touching the head of the president of the United States that looks like him. But, two, i think it tells you something about barack obama. That at the behest of a young kid you would go bend over and let that kid touch your head. Im quite certain that wouldnt happen today. No, no. Actually, i dont think wed want that to happen. Lord knows what would happen. employee enterprise car sales has access to over half a million preowned vehicles, most with tech features like blind spot detection, back up camera. [kristen gasps] employee because you never know what might be behind you. kristen bell does the sloth come standard . kristen bell vo looking to buy . Enterprise makes it easy. The best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside. 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And you theres some amazing photos youve taken of the two of them. But there are a lot of very intimate moments that you are there to capture. Yeah. This one in particular this was inauguration night going from one inaugural ball to another. And i kind of like this picture because it shows what youre talking about. Theyre sharing this little private moment, but then youve got the staff and the secret service in the background trying not to like i like the sideeye from the guy in the back. But that is the nature of being in that position. And i think im sure michelle talks about this, its not easy to get used to always being in the public eye like that. But somehow they managed. You clearly came to have a eye like great, deep affection, i mean, i think part of it is, its a professional friendship mostly. And i sort of like to say to people that i was there for all the different compartments of his life, family pictures, stressful moments in the situation room economic meeting on the weekend. I knew all these emotions, i was in the room where it happened all the time and i think that because of that, we have a bond thats never going to go away, because i knew exactly what he was experiencing from day to day its interesting, as you say that, theres so much compartmentalization, theres one person in his whole life that sees him at full in all thats pete souza. You also dids this you were the deputy in reagans white house, and you got to see him up close as well. Andos from what ive heard of interviews of you, you think highly of you thought highly of the president . I policiwise, i wasnt necessarily aligned with him, but he was a decent human being, and to me, thats what mattered. I dont think i couldnt work for trump, because i dont respect him. And i just dont think its a zeentd human being. But you know, the reagan i saw, respected the office of the presidency and other people. I wanted to ask you about, and this clip that came out of reagan, you know, out of calling these african diplomats in the u. N. Monkeys. Very disturbing. Yeah, a lot of people around him expressed surprise and they were upset. It was during the nixon administration, so it was ra before i knew him. I didnt see that at all. When i was there. I did not know reagan nearly as well as i knew president obama. In lots of private meetings, and i knew saw that come out. So that was but it was still disturbing to hear. This is a picture a final picture, a picture of our current president , President Donald Trump with president barack obama. 44 and 45 together. And its i think snapped this is during their one meeting in the transition, is that right . Its on inauguration day. They were just about to leave the white together to get in the limousinet and drive up to the capitol for the inauguration. And president obama pulled the incoming president aside to brief him on a National Security issue. And, theres not much confidence in the person on the left i dont think. Let me ask you this, sort of a final question, we watched you sort of develop over the course of the trumpp administration, the beginning theres subtle jabs, that posting photos and something in the news. I have no idea what youre talking about. Well, i mean. Its got in less i mean, its clearly where you stand on this press. You seem like a fairly retiring, in the background person in your nature. What is it that is sort of forced you, pushed to be more we have a president who lies to us all the time, who bullies other people. I think disrespects the office of the presidency. 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