Our own lack that we have an obligation it make america work for everyone. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton. Hardball starts right now. A cheap impeachment. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews in washington. Let me start tonight with this evenings house vote to sue the president of the United States. Is this impeachment light as some are calling it, a way to brand the president as bad, without the trouble and noise of putting him on trial . Or is this the first bitter assault on the man in the white house . A tar and feathering to precede the worst . Is this the beating that precedes the execution. Excuse me, is there any other way to see this speck tickle
than by condemnation of the congress minus the due process of impeachment. Something to chuckle about, perhaps even savor over the family camping trip. Thats certainly wait the hard right back ventures see this. This absurd, travesty for television. This, as i said, impeachment on the cheap. An all this as Speaker John Boehner can keep the dogges from the gate, throwing a haunch of red meat hoping this will satisfy them or at least give him the time it takes for him to swallow it. Good luck, mr. Speaker. I hope youre aware you are paying for the time of the dignity of government in this free society. How much of that are you willing to give away before facing the enable wreckoning between lincoln which youre a member of and the pack of jack els that have gotten into the tent . Republican from alabama and congressman jim clyburn, democrat from South Carolina and assist et democratic leader. Back it breaking news tonight. United states house of representatives continue their assault on president obama taking an historic vote to sue the president of the United States. It is not surprising. House voted heavily with party lines with 225 republicans voting yes to sue. And 196 democrats and five republicans voting no on resolution it authorize lawsuit again the president. Let me go to congressman brooks. Why would you vote to sue the president . First, lets be clear. Speaker john boehner, president barack obama, thats a little picture. The big picture, as if you look at history with Richard Nixon, johnson in vietnam, and any number of actions that have been sued since then and that will sue in the future is whether there is anything that can be done by the house of representatives or by the is notate it make sure that the president s obey he the law. An it do that, they compel the president to do that by court
order or to clear judgment so all of us can understand what the law actually means. And this will be binding Going Forward so if you happen it have a democrat house or Democrat Senate or republican president , it cuts both ways. But i think is important to our constitutional process to be able to establish what the house and senate cannot do visavis the separation of powers over the president of the United States. So the Bigger PictureGoing Forward is this is very much bipartisan. Let me ask you about your picture on this. Had mitt romney won in 2012 when he was in chashlg of bringing into action the Affordable Care act and he decided for reasons of efficiency to deplay implementation of the employer mandate, would you have sued him . If there was the opportunity to do so, to question whether a law was being properly enforced, yes. But please understand that im one of those that is somewhat of an independent republican. I do what i think the constitution requires of us. I obey my oath of office as best i can. And if youve got a president
that is crossing the line in a serious way and in a clear cut way, hopefully, so that you dont have very much litigation issue, then yes. You said because this president delayed the implementation of the employer mandate in the Affordable Care act, he should be sued. Are you saying thats the precedent. You said a minute ago you wanted to set a precedent here. The legislation that passed the house doesnt say that. It saysthe speaker of the house is entitled to go forward and pursue civil litigation against the president of the United States on this issue. On the Affordable Care act. Yes. There are any aspect of the Affordable Care act, seeking declaretory action from a judge or from a federal court judge. Chris, there are hundreds of thousands of lawsuits that are filed annually across the United States of america as a way for people to resolve disputes in a
peaceful fashion. And this is way for a very important issue you no to be resolved in a peaceful action. Let me go to jim clyburn. Congressman clyburn, thank you for joining us. Give me a sense of what you you this motive is. I find this very narrow. When you good after the president s way of implementing a law, whether it is his law or a predecessors law, it is executive management. The ironier here is this is pro business. Republicans never liked the employer mandate. Here is the president s charge, sued in civil court, basically, for doing what the republicans would loved to have done which is put off the employer mandate. I this i this is done in a partisan mandate. Your view . Thank you, chris. You are exactly right. You may recall the republicans voted more than 50 times at trying to eliminate certain thoughts of the Affordable Care act. And one of the things we wanted
to do was to delay the employer mandate. And as soon as the president moves to delay it, now they are suing him for doing exactly what they suggested that he should do in order to give the businesses of the country an opportunity to prepare for the implementation of the act. Look, this is all about using the discovery process to get the peg upon which they can hang an impeachment resolution. Thats what this is about. We all know that. Members are saying it. Couple of the five members voting against it say it. They all go straight to an impeachment resolution. So thats whats going on here. The American People are fed up with this. They want to see a fixed immigration system. Do something about the current infrastructure. Do something about our children being able to attend schools of
their choice. Here we are, gamesmanship, of the side ive never seen since ive been here in congress. Let me go back to congressman brooks on this. It seems the members who voted on your side, basically expressed the view, this isnt strong enough, what do you say to them . S they want impeachment apparently. No surprise there from texas. Do you think they are extremist or ahead in schedule . What do you think if the president failed to respond it a court order in this case . First, i agree with you, chris, and congressman clyburn on the paradox on the employer mandate. I would have much predperferred contraire troy federal law give
work permits which in turn cost american citizens jobs. Thats where i would have preferred litigation to be. But unfortunately, that was not what the house leadership decided to do. So i think there is some merit to the paradox position of the house now suing the president if that is in fact what the speak does, on the employer mandate issue. When i think the president is doing the economy good by delaying that. Once it is implemented, it will have an adverse effect on jobs and the economy. Thats my view and i think you agree with that and congressman clyburn agrees with that. As a commentator, i think that makes more sense. Though i wouldnt agree with it. You have legislative power. What does he ush issue it under the office of the president stationenerry . Anyway, lets look at what congressman john lewis today say today on the floor during vote. From his first day in office, republicans in the house, in this house, have never supported
the president. Every other branch here was broken. But today, we have reached a low. A very low point. This revolution to sue the president just goes a little too far. It is a shame and disgrace that we are here debating the suing of the president. The American People deserve better. We can do better. We can do much better. Congressman brooks, last thought. You just admitted something that you you must would have preferred to vote on something much more controversial, like the president issue work permits. Certainly not an executive function, a legislative issue. But you voted for it. Is there not a willingness from the part of your caucus to hit the president whenever they can. Whenever they can. As congressman lewis just said. No, an Administration Bill by way of example. Bipartisan bill went through the house addressing a very serious issue and i think the president will be on board and sign that bill. I dont think it is across the board. But there are policy disagreements between this white house and house of representatives and United States senate. And youve seen this in perpetuity through out history of the United States of america. When you have these policy disagreements, you have these vigorous debates. Ultimately, the people decide in the election process every two years. But until then we have to work our way through our disagreements and do what we can where we agree and try to work our way through disagreement. Mr. Clyburn, how much of this do you think is at the aca and how is it is implemented . I think most of of is is directed at the president. I agree with my colleagues. That is the way we resolve issues at the ballot box. What has gone on here is the failure to defat this program at
the ballot box is now being substituted with the lawsuit. This is just an attempt, as john lewis said, to once again to destroy the effectiveness of this president because they did not get their way in the pile discussions. We do that every two years. We dont go to the courts and ask the courts to carry on our political battles for us. I remember very well, right after 2000, when there are a lot of people in our caucus saying, lets impeach president bush. Nancy pelosi said very forcefully, impeachment is off the table. Now lets go forward. I would love to see Speaker Boehner speak up and let everybody know that impeachment is off the table so that we can have the kind of powerful discussions that my colleague thinks we aught to be having. Not what gone on all year and i thank the American People straight up. We are busy. Maybe clyburn didnt see it. But the president said impeachment is off the table. There is zero effort of infutility, there is no way in the world you would get 67 senators and a Democrat Senate to impeach barack obama no matter what the charges are. There is zero chance of that being brought forward to the house of representatives. Bill clinton was impeached, just not not effective yeah. The majority votes of the house, drawn on you thank you for the technical correction. And there is no i respect you both for coming on tonight. Congressman clyburn and congressman brooks, thank you. Sounding like harry truman after going after the version of
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world war ii. Here is truman in the 1948 democratic convention. The middle of the night, no air conditioning, 100 degrees, and here he is turning a campaign for president around. I sat out, set out a tenpoint program for the benefit of this country, among other things, stand by price control. I got nothing. Congress has still done nothing. My duty as president , requires that i use every means within my power to get the laws of people need on matters of such importance of urgency. I am therefore calling this congress back into session on the 6th of jouly. . Was wild, howard. He thought he lost. Everybody thought, this i gos finish. So error is truman. Congress is home knocking the
hell out of me. Im calling them back it washington. I will make them a pass everything in their platform and the place went nuts. He won. I ronically enough, president obama was in kansas city today. So if you wanted to draw the truman connection there. Hence my thought of truman. He is doing the best the president can do now by way of political argument. Which is that i want to do things for you. And he ticks them off in that speech. Talks about education, student loans. All of the things that are appealing to his voters and to swing voters and says, i want to do them. These guys want to do nothing except play politics. I thought his best line is hope is better than cynicism. I think the republicans may have overshot the mark here. Freezing the ball. Yeah. They have plenty of things to motivate their base. But this argument to go after
them illegally, an illegally ridiculous case. Congressman from alabama, ill save you the research and tell you those had nothing to do with what they are doing. This isnt the right place to hit him anyway. Right. The Republican Base is already mote invited by hatred of obama. Government, whatever it is. They move to the polls, they can vote against democrats. They cant do much to rev that up as much as it is. Maybe a jimmy falcon issue now. Something that will become a joke that enough people will see. A lot of people dont Pay Attention are you talking about doing nothing or suing him . Suing him. The fact that they are suing him becomes a great punch line and people, the few independent voters out there, people may not Pay Attention, they will get that. They will sound silly. I say they are already
absurd. When you go into the department of Motor Vehicles and you pate washingtonity in line maybe three hours, are you really happy with the guy in the back all the time . The guy that never comes out . And theres one guy working there. You get a little ticked at dotnothing political or donothing officials. In philly, these were the drones. The ones that work in city hall but never do anything. By the way, chris, in this year, when everybody is so disgusted with washington, the president has the clans to hang that emotion on the republican for polling this coined of thing. And republicans are incumbents too. And there are people who will be why do they all even the fine gentleman we just had on, mr. Brooks from missouri, he didnt seem happy with the letter of the law from alabama. Why did he do it. I think in alabama and the tea party or the people are going to be out there. He is a liberal. They would primary him if he
didnt. Anything thats posed against barack obama, they cant vote against republicans. He cant even have a debate on this. You know, only ones who can are the ones who sigh, this isnt strong enough. If they goat impeachment, thats what im questioning. He is implying they will go. Buzz they didnt hold back. That is a very interesting question. I have to believe in john boehner doesnt want it reach that point. He doesnt. But if he cant hold back floodwaters, what happened oh, he wont stand in the way. They think they are being smart by putting predicate out here of this lawsuit. And then they are going to thats an alternative. Wait a minute. Then they will dare the president to do what everyone thinks he will do on immigration. Thats take executive action on immigration. Then they put the two together and turn it into an impeach the on immigration which, for them, and their people thats what they want. I dont think you can issue work permits on the white house. 20year mistake tore them politically. In to 2016 they shouldnt take the bait. Next, Jimmy Fallons pros and cons for mitt romney presidency. E acceptable. Teach them how to deal with cyber bullies, and encourage them to come to you if theyve seen something that makes them uncomfortable. You wouldnt let your kids go walking thru the neighborhood without permission, right . The same should hold true when they go online. The more you know. Hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. Yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. Good. I hate surprises. Surprise at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and see your fico® credit score. Celebrate your love of crab with gthis years largest variety . cause its crabfest at red lobster dig into a succulent selection of crab entrees. Like new crab lovers trio with sweet snow crab legs, split king crab, and jumbo lump crab over savory shrimp. Crab three ways all on one plate. Or try new jumbo lump crab over woodgrilled salmon. Experience crabfest at red lobster today. Only for a limited time. Come in and sea food differently
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lawyer and your client, an elected fushl, a big one, is accused of taking gifts. Taking gifts along with a businessman. Pictures like this have beenant duce into evidence. The man behind the whooel of the said businessmans convertible. What do you do . Come out with a totally different narrative. Thats what bob mcdonald and his wife have done. This blaring headline says it all. A broke al marriage, first ladys crush, on wealthy ben factor described. Have you heard of the twinkie defense. This will be the soap opera defense. Stunning political reporters in the courtroom. Humiliating trial for mcdonald. Lets face it, they brought it on themselves. There are reports that maureen mcdon wellnelcdonnels attorney first ladys favorite playmate,
robert mcdonnells attorney, saying that she hated him. And that mcdonnel who read out loud an email where he pleaded to his wife to save the marriage. This is Johnny Williams, the prosecution witness, took the stand. Reporter from richmond affiliate tweets Johnny Williams on why he hoped virginia polls he plain. In the frolet me ask you, what think when you were sitting in the courtroom reporting on this. And all of a sudden you come out with, my wife and i arent getting along. She has this thing for a fat cat. All she want to do is spend time with the i go. Thats why she takes all the of the gifts, designer shopping
trips. Stunning. We had sort of heard some rumors that this might be coming. This might be their defense and she had sort of romantic inclinations for Johnny Williams senior. But to have it be such a central part of the defense, basically, the marriage was broken. So how could they have conspired to subvert virginia and federal law. How could they have communicated to do that if they werent talking to each other. This would become a payton place. Nobody expected that. Clarence, this doesnt help the image of politicians. We have stanford in South Carolina. Nobody really cares what they do. But they arent supposed to care about peoples marital situations. Here they come out with the fact that marriage isnt happy. Something is missing there and she is finding it in the person of this guy feeding him all the gift. Now the guy rats him out. Thats right. A trial is a competition between dualing narratives. Two stories. Have you a prosecution story which everyone knows. Hearing all about the gifts et cetera, et cetera. Now the mcdonnells come up with the opposite narrative saying basic facts but that bob insisted he didnt know his wife was getting all of these gifts funded by Johnny William or that it was strictly business. It is hard for me to get my mind wrapped around the idea that his wife got a 6500 rolex. What is he doing riding around in his ferrari and having golf chips. He is not holding back, Washington Post reporter tweeting out, Johnny Williams on his april 2011 nyc, new york city, 20,000 shopping trip with maureen mcdonnell. It went on for hours. She was happy. This is a gushing story. To play defense is to sacrifice reputation. Mcdonnell is willing to sacrifice his personal reputation, and that of his
wife, basically, in order to save his political and professional reputation. I think is very important to him that he be found innocent on this. He could have had a deal and he turned it down that would have what did they offer . Well, reports are, which i believe, that they offered he would not have to plead guilty to corruption but plead guilty to making a false statement to a bank. So one felony. A felony, but just one. Would they have time . Im not sure if there would have been jail time. Could have been. But she would have walked. He turned that down. Reports are that he turned that down. What is he facing right now . Decades, if convicted on all count. 14 felonyes. I have distance from this. Have you distance. I thought he was clean as a whistle. Conservative, family values. Roman catholic background. Ive seen him at mount vernon one time. And involved with some big event my wife was envelopinsolved in. Ininvolved in. He is a former politician, former attorney general. A lawyer. He has that impulse that i can talk my way out of anything. Can i get on the stand and persuade that jury that im clean as a whistle and that Johnny William is the dirty rat here. Will the jury buy it . Thats the question. We will have to wait and see on that. The couples problems, they are not exactly exculpatory. He explains he was not benefitting from the guy that gave all these gifts to his wife. But the governor himself, seen riding around in the ferrari. What does he need a ferrari . His wife is in the car, maybe a gift to her or a lone to han tod
she was driving it. He got to drive the ferrari home from a Vacation Home owned by Johnny Williams. It was fun that he got to drive it. And then they tried to claim that he was doing a favor to williams by returning it to richmond for him. But that turns out to be wrong. But the real the ferrari is, you know, only a small part of this. What stt big thing . The big thing that he took is 120,000 in sweetheart loans to basically bail them out for beach front property. I dont know if it was beach front. But beach property under water p. They bought it at the height of the market, it dropped in value and he couldnt cover the loan. He gave them 120,000 in loans to make up for that. They make a moderate income. An bad income but a moderate income. Then they want it all. Yeah. That explains so many of them. A strange hubris that happens. Mcdonnell seems to be more disciplined and focus than that. But he is now in this mess. The question is, can he get out of it . How many times you deal with politicians that take gifts from friends. These guys are discovered when they are governor and they cant say no. No, i cant take the baseball tickets. I cant take the final four tickets. I cant take the loan of the house for the weekend. Especially when your spouse says, when are we going to have some fun. And he was so busy with his job that he couldnt give his wife enough attention and thats why she began to roam off to this relationship with this buddy on the side. Who happens to be funding or financing. Once again, i have a difficult view of criminal lawyers. What he their willing to say to get somebody off. Doesnt really operating like an officer of the court. Thats my view. Thank you. We will see if it works. Thats a cold view. Thank you. This is a big trial in washington here. Big story. Washington really is northern virginia. Up next, emails from lois lerner show her talking trash about the right wing p. This will be a problem for the liberals. Is it a smoking gun . Republicans are certainly o looking for that. This is hardball, place for politics. To angies list for bringing us together. This is hardball, place for politics. One more note on the corruption trial of Bob Mcdonnell and his wife. At the end of court today, the key prosecution witness, businessman Johnny Williams, testified that the governor must have been aware of his lavish gifts to the first lady. Reporter ryan noble of our nbc station tweets he knew of the money to maureen. Set breadwinner and im not writing his wife any checks without him knowing it. Johnny williams will be back on the stand tomorrow. And well be right back. Two medium cappuccinos lets show em what a breakfast with whole grain fiber can do. One coffee with room, one large mocha latte, medium macchiato, a light hot chocolate hold the whip, two espressos. Make one a double. Shes full and focused. [ barista ] i have two cappuccinos, one coffee with room, one large mocha latte,
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whether the irs unlawfully targeted groups. Dave camp today released an email ex chaen between lois lerner and unnamed acquaintance in which lerner engages in what you might call trash talk about some of those on the right wing. The exchange took place in november of 2012 when lerner was apparently traveling in great brita britain. She writes about women she overheard talking about the national debt. The person emailing with respond to some on the right are saying the same thing. Quote, well, you should hear the wack why wing of the gop. The right wing radio shows are scary to listen to. Lerner writes back, quote, great, maybe we are through if there are that many, you can see the bad word there. Then the other emailer says im talking about host of the shows. Callers are rabid. And lerner responds so we dont need to worry about alien terrorists. Its our own crazies that will take us down. In a letter to eric holder
requesting the appointment of a special council, kouns grassman camp writes the email exchange demonstrates lerners deen an mouse towards conservatives and the treatment toward concerted groups is her hostile et towards conservatives. It shows this scandal isnt going away any time soon. I think is gas on the fire. Sam, i want to start with you about the depth of this whole thing. If you put this together with other things, first of all, the fact that a lot of these emails are missing, that they just went missing like the thing, that rosemary woods back in water gate days, all of a sudden something is missing that everybody is looking for. Put it together with the conversation exposed in april which talks about her talking about having a desire to get a job with this pro obama Group Organizing for action, their d. C. Office, it does expose,
nothing with the white house but it does compose her politics which are against the hard right. And i think, you work in washington, casey works in washington, it isnt a big shock that a liberal works for the government. Who may washington. They may have no contact whatever with the politicians in the white house. There are two separate things here. What lois learner, a partisan and should be a nonpartisan job. And including the disappearing emails suggest that somethings fishy here, that she had anomouse toward conservatives. Does the targeting of conservative groups connect back to the Obama White House or the Obama Campaign . At this juncture there hasnt been evidence to tie the two together. Theres all these disappearing emails. The facts that we know now, dont point to an obvious connection. You have to keep these two things separate. This revelation is really
embarrassing for lerner and her lawyers. What if you are going to make the skeptical argument. She had ambitions to become active, change employment and go work for some pro obama group, maybe they have a Washington Office in this email, could you say her ambition was to join publicly you could make that jump. I dont think it would be criminal per say. The question is, from all the evidence we found, from these be on the lookout lists. Was there a concerted effort driven by the white house, to target conservatives looking for tax exempt status . At this juncture, all we know is that conservative groups were targeted more frequently. A lot of them got denied as opposed to progressive groups. But we havent put two and two together. The white house was behind us. Casey, i know youre a straight reporter, im going to ask you to do an analysis here. Could it be they dont have to hit a home run here . They could hit a triple by
proving there was thinking, it was politically motivated. They dont have to prove any connection necessarily to have scored here. This is a scandal of drip drip drip, one little thing at a time. Youre seeing committees up here do that, prosecute this sort of day by day by day, and considering all of these piles of evidence that were starting to see come out, the things that make this a little bit fishy as sam was talking about, all of this contributes to this idea that there is something not right here, and the point at which this weighs and Means Committee request is jumping off from, is the idea that she denied congress servetive groups due process under the law. Thats what theyre suggesting she is responsible for doing. These emails contribute directly to that body of evidence. They have the bonus of being very easily written into headlines to have them say lois lerners calls gop crazy and
uses a word i wont repeat here. Thats a straightforward and direct way to get at the root of this scandal which has otherwise been pretty diffuse and hard to grapple with. The fact is, she took the fifth. Its not incriminating. It does suggest she has things she would rather not talk about under oath. You get to the fact she was willing to talk on email about her political views. Even as i pointed out this april, she was eyeballing a job with a pro obama group, i dont know, and the fact that this rosemary woods thing, that was a famous tag on what nixons secretary did when she reached 18 feet across the room to put her foot on the pedal to kill that stuff. It was physically impossible to accidentally erase all this stuff. But do we know anything further about what casey called the melted down email . Hard drive information . What we know is that there were several irs staffers who experienced this. It could be coincidental. It could be a conspiracy. Each side alleges the opposite. I would guess organer that lois lerner would do herself good to reverse her decision to not testify by the willingness to evoke the fifth amendment that at this juncture in terms of public relations, i think it would do some good to sit before the congressional investigators and explain exactly what she knows. Yeah, unfortunately she will be sitting before people who will focus on what were talking about. And they wouldnt exactly create a forum for her to explain herself. They would ask her to basically accept the words. It would be a bipartisan forum . This is the weighs and Means Committee, weve seen competing investigations going on up here
in capitol hill. Darrell issa with the oversight committee. I would say that the weighs and Means Committee has been a measure calmer in its approach. Thats certainly the image i have of david camp, the chairman, i dont think of him as any kind of wing nut at all. Thats not a derogatory comment. I think hes a straight republican. Thank you, casey, and thank you sam stein. Well be right back. What would happen. If energy could come from anything . Or if power could go anywhere . Or if light could seek out the dark . What would happen if that happens . Anything. And for many, its a struggle to keep your a1c down. So imagine, what if there was a new class of medicine that works differently to lower blood sugar . Imagine, loving your numbers. Introducing oncedaily invokana®. Its the first of a new kind of prescription medicine thats used along with diet and exercise to lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. Invokana® is a oncedaily pill that works around the clock to help lower a1c. Heres how the kidneys allow sugar to be absorbed back into the body. Invokana® reduces the amount of sugar allowed back in, and sends some sugar out through the process of urination. And while its not for weight loss, it may help you lose some weight. Invokana® can cause important side effects, including dehydration, which may cause some people to have loss of body water and salt. This may also cause you to feel dizzy, faint, lightheaded, or weak especially when you stand up. Other side effects may include kidney problems, genital yeast infections, urinary tract infections, changes in urination, high potassium in the blood, or increases in cholesterol. Do not take invokana® if you have severe kidney problems or
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