Clutched the medias attention with an indictment that the president of the United States is foreign and illegitimate that he forced his way into the countrys highest office but the countrys life itself. Can this man now be taken seriously as his wannabe successor . Michael steele, the former chair of the Republican National committee, joan walsh, both are msnbc political analysts. Lets watch him do it. These are the best and the finest. When mexico sends us people, theyre not sending their best. Theyre not sending you, theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems and theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs, theyre bringing crime, theyre rapists and some, i assume are good people. That was nice, wasnt it, joan, there are some. Where is this operation chief somewhere in hq, mexico, guadalajara is sending people off in droves in different complements of troops, its all organized by some capital and some province in mexico. Even if the notion that he talks in seems fictitious. Its crazy. Is that too strong a word . No, not too strong a word. We can say racist. This is like half the size of cantaloupes except its not as funny. Its really dangerous for the Republican Party. I felt like what we were seeing was kind of a bizarro world version of jeb bushs speech the day before. Jeb breaks into spanish, donald trump breaks into nativist. And i think its terrible for the party. Im so happy about one thing. Thats that my friend michael does not have to preside over this circus. I was looking out to the crowd. I dont know whether black, white, mixed crowd, its really not important. But he says to the crowd in saluting their nativeborndom, theyre not sending you, youre good people. What a pander that is. Not people like you. These dregs, these losers, these criminals, these dealers. First of all, who was he going for . Lets talk politics. Chris, this clearly wasnt the give me your tired, the poor, your hungry. Dont give me any more of them is what it was. This wasnt that speech. Look, thats donald. Donald throws down. He throws down hard and stuff splatters everywhere. And interesting challenge for the republican other republican candidates is what type of check theyre going to be on that kind of language, that sentiment. Is that going to be the brand that goes forth in the 2016 campaign or is it Something Else . And i think joan touched on a very important contrast between what we heard come from jeb bush yesterday in reaching out to the Hispanic Community and what we heard today, not so much. Well, as i mentioned, the donald, as he is, was one of the most outspoken birthers in the country for the last half dozen years questioning the president s place of birth again and again and again saying hes basically somebody snuck him under the fence from kenya. Lets watch him at it. Why doesnt he show his birth certificate . And you know what . I wish he would. Because i think its a terrible pale thats hanging over him. Im a really smart guy. I was a really good student at the best school in the country. The reason i have a little doubt, just a little, is because he grew up and nobody knew him. Nobody ever comes forward. Nobody ever knows who he is until later in his life. Very strange. If barack obama opens up and gives his College Records and applications and if he gives his passport applications and records, i will give to a charity of his choice. As recently as this february, 2015, trump continued to play the birther card. Lets watch him at it. I still would like to see his College Records. Id like to see a couple of things. Im not looking at his marks. Id like to see where he put on. Look, he wrote a book when he was a young man, and it said, born in kenya, blah, blah, blah. Id like to see it. Trump comes along and says birth certificate. He gave a birth certificate. Whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly question it. Okay. Where do we start with this, joan, this attempt to delegitimize the president saying he snuck into american life. He may not even have been in american life. He may not have gone to those schools because nobody knew at those schools. The indictment here is so colossal that hes a fiction himself that obama never really existed in these schools because nobody knew him, so how could he prove he ever went to these schools. Right. To get down to the level of this indictment is pretty raw. I have a thought about it but your thoughts first. It is raw and it trades on all the worst rightwing stereotypes about the president. Hes kenyan, hes foreign, also hes not very bright. We dont know what he really did in school. He may be fabricating that, hes not competent. It pulls them all together in this massive questioning of his identity. I thought the day that the president had to show his long form birth certificate was a truly sad day when this carnival barker gets the president to show his papers. His papers like he stopped him in his car and said, show me your license. Show me that you deserve to be here. It was disgusting. Michael, my friend, i want your thoughts, then ill give you my thoughts because ill expand on them later about why he does this. In north philadelphia during the campaign in 2008, you know the neighborhood. Its down around temple and the neighbors never really changed. A working class black neighborhood. Kind of tough, tough neighborhood. Its never gotten off the ground. When obama came in here and gave his big speech, i thought hed be promising people benefits, but he said i want to bring this country together. Were going to be one country. That got the biggest applause from these people who have nothing. Could have asked for anything and they dont have it and all they wanted was to be 100 accepted as not just equal american, fellow american, one of us. Lebron james just as much an allamerican as tom brady. Thats all they wanted. Just to be fully accepted as american. And this guy comes along and plays the card. Your guy, the one elected president , even hes not one of us. Hes a foreigner. He snuck in the country. Hes a liar. What do you think of that, michael . I think its eating at the heart. But an equal fellowship. He says, oh, no, even your best guy is a fraud and a foreigner. I think he knew exactly what he was doing because the 20 of the country that still have a problem with this proposition cheered it. A lot of his business partner, his business dealings he makes with people. The lowest common denominator, theres no doubt about that. I think that in large measure the vast majority of the American People rejected that argument and have moved away when are the Republican Party going to reject it . Why dont these just say i will not debate a man who goes after the president that way . Well, i hope they do. And if he does, i hope in that moment on that stage that one of those individuals rises to the occasion and puts the appropriate check in place. I really do. I think they would. But i dont think thats going to be donalds play this time. I think donald wants to have a more serious, if i can use that term, conversation about some of the things that are important to him. But this was not the way to start that conversation when you use the name calling, when you make pejorative comments about people. Look, you sit here and build a wall and send the bill to mexico as president. Youll be waiting a long time to get that check. Thats not president ial. Thats a tone that hes going to have to change, i think. Theres no excuse here for lack of intelligence. Donald trump is as smart as anybody who has run for president. He knows how to make money and how the world works and he does this. I dont know why he does it. Also he had a speech and he chucked it. I dont know if the racist line was in there. Hes disciplined. Michael is way too kind, way too optimistic. The only thing ill say, the only proviso ill put on this, he may not really run. This is not, quote, official. Hes not filed papers with the fec. We may have just watched a 45minute infomercial where he got to claim that hes worth 10 million. Hes in first debate, joan. I think we can be sure of that. I hope so. He wants to be on that stage, on that first debate in august. He is running second, third in most national polls. He is going to want to be on that stage. But i think donalds going to have to do a little bit different approach in order to stay on that stage. Well see. Donald trump did what he does best today, he sold the brand. He sold donald trump. Lets watch him in action. Our country needs a truly great leader. And we need a truly great leader now. We need a leader that wrote the art of the deal. I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. I dont need anybodys money. Its nice. I dont need anybodys money. Im using my own money. Im not using the lobbyists, im not using donors. I dont care. Im really rich. Im proud of my net worth. Ive done an amazing job. It was even reported incorrectly yesterday. Because they said he had assets of 9 billion. I said, no, thats the wrong number. Thats the wrong number. Not assets. Im not doing that to brag because you know what . I dont have to brag. I dont have to. Believe it or not. What do you make of this guy . I get the point. Hes 9 billion in net worth. An amazing success story. No doubt about it. I give him credit for it. But i was always taught dont ever say youre rich. You say were comfortable. He breaks all the rules. I mean, braggadocios. Chris, if i could, thats a very important point. He breaks the rules. Hes a guy that walks into the china shop and just goes through it. And thats where the party is right now with him. Youre going to have to a lot of very staid coiffed and prepared candidates standing on that stage and to their right or to their left will be donald trump. Who will say anything. To as coiffed as he is i dont know if hes coiffed if i were you. Hell say absolutely anything. It will be very entertaining for us. What if he keeps somebody like john kasich off the stage . I would think thats a big problem for you guys. I would bet you that a john kasich or bobby jindal or Carly Fiorina who are going to be sitting at home that night because they didnt reach the magic number, a real problem. Lets agree now we have some Common Ground coming up here. Donald trump did talk about the need to rebuild our roads, bridges and airports. Lets watch some Common Ground here. Lets watch. We have to rebuild our infrastructure, our bridges, roadways, our airports. You come into laguardia airport, its like were in a third world country. And i come in from china and qatar and different places. And they have the most incredible airports in the world. You come back to this country and you have l. A. X. Disaster, you have all these disasters. Airports. Donald trump, a broken clock is right twice a day. Hes right on that one. Ill tell you. Down in south africa, a new country, newly democratic, a country that has the most beautiful airport in the word and weve got jfk. Anyway, thank you, michael steele, thank you, joan walsh. A hot fight brewing between the right wing in this country and pope francis, the holy father is about to release a cyclical saying Climate Change is man made and we need to take urgent action to combat it. Now we have conservatives some running for president caught between their ideology and their religion. 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The pope will make a moral and scientific call for urgent action on Global Warming saying that, quote, plenty of scientific studies point out that the last decades of Global Warming have been mostly caused by the great concentration of greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen oxide and other, especially generated by human action. The poor and the berth are shouting, care about the world that we inhabit. Anyway, the popes words are a strong denunciation of what were hearing on the hard right, especially among president ial hopefuls. Heres just a sampling of the flatearthers, if you will, running for president. I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it. Somebody tell me what a hundred years data is in a earth thats 4. 6 billion years old. My guess is that the conclusions that you make from that are not conclusive. For the people to say the sciences decided on this is just really arrogant. Do you believe Climate Change is real . You know, im always troubled by theory that fits every perfect situation. This whole Global Warming hoax, this winter is brutal. I mean, im in new york right now. The airports are closed, everythings closed. Its freezing. Susan milligan is a Political Writer with u. S. News world report and president of the prohillary group, correct the record. I love that. Just the facts, maam. You know, the pope is a strong force in the world. People, friends of mine who are jewish, not just the catholic church. He seems to have a moral authority and maybe now intellectual authority that we havent seen on this issue. Absolutely. First of all, we have to say from a historic standpoint here, its just so profound what hes saying. We have to Pay Attention though this earth while were here. Its a gift from god. We have to take care of it. The pope has been a leader not just on this issue but on income inequality and trickle down economics. Here you have the World Leaders who cant get their act together on it and its the pope stepping up saying we need to Pay Attention to this. It does create problems for some of the conservative candidates, christian right candidates who are using the church for their world view. Look at jeb today. Hes a catholic, of course. He reacted to the news at a town hall in new hampshire. Heres jeb bush. I hope im not like going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but i dont get Economic Policy from my bishops or my cardinals or from my pope. There are parts of miami that with a couple of inches, three or four or five inches of rising sea level could create huge problems. My attitude is i dont think the science is complete, but i do think we need to create longterm policies for adaptation. The climate is changing, whether men is doing it or not, in the case of the sea level rising in miami is kind of irrelevant. So what is his proposal for dealing with the sea level rising . Gondolas . In other words, dont go to the cause but deal with the solution. So the waters coming up, so get boats and move around the city. We have boats and maybe use marco rubio. Thats what hes saying. Sometimes i think there are 25 people left in this country that dont believe in Climate Change. Its the koch brother, the head of the rnc. Tell me this, how do you explain why the republicans as a party now dont believe in the science . Why are they rejecting it . A couple things. The Koch Brothers are a huge influence. Oil and gas. Thats what they sell. Fossil fuels is not what they want limited. Exactly. Theyve sent a group over to the vatican to protest the pope. I mean, these are the Koch Brothers are fighting with the pope. The gop is fighting with the pope. The base of their party does not believe in this type of science. By the way, there are some in their party who dont believe in the Science Behind vaccines and theyre playing to this crowd in the republican primary. You know what im talking about, a lot of the church, the stuff about sexual behavior, all about samesex and abortion, its not always about life, but about sexual discipline and behavior. This is a life issue, life on this planet. Thats why the popes involved in it. If conception if life begins with conception, how about human life begins on this planet . Its endangered over time. Its a legitimate concern of a moral leader. Rush limbaugh is calling the pope a marxist for his views on Climate Change. Every other word seems to be about how unfettered capitalism is destroying the world and how the rich countries have to give more money to the poor countries to make amends. I mean, thats call it what you want, marxism, socialism, what have you. Rick santorum, a traditional catholic and the runnerup of the Republican Party race four years ago is criticizing the pope. Santorum is calling Global Warming a hoax. I would just say this, that the church has gotten it wrong a few times on science, and i think that we probably are better off leaving science to the scientists and focusing on what were really good at, which is theology and morality. Well, that is a punch to the stomach, going back to the old medieval church. Whats incredible about that comment is republicans dont want to listen to anyone. They dont want to listen to the pope. Rick santorum says the church doesnt do science but they wont listen to scientists. 90 of Scientists Say manmade Global Warming exists. They wont listen to the scientists its extraordinary. When will democrats listen to the economists on trade . Keep moving. Theyre suggesting that theres no moral component at all to either the economy or the environment, and thats really i think the fundamental problem here. Republican senator jim inhofe, chairs the senate committee, hes perhaps the biggest science denier in the Republican Party. This february he brought a snowball on to the senate floor to disprove Global Warming. I asked the chair, you know what this is . Its a snowball. And just from outside here. So its very, very cold out, very unseasonal. So therefore, catch this. Mmhmm. Point made. He doesnt believe in manmade Global Warming because according to the bible, god controls the climate. My point is gods still up there. And the areas of people who think that we, human beings, would be able to change what he is doing in the climate is, to me, outrageous. Kind of ayatollahish, going to religion on these questions and that point of view. They go to religion and then ignore the pope. They say we should let the science dictate. But then ignore the scientists. Who theyre listening to is the base of their party and the Koch Brothers. They sponsor an exhibit at the smithsonian youre like me, one of the people that really tries to understand politics as economics. Almost everything is explicable. Almost everything. I am a determinist. They should get a Tax Deduction for their Campaign Contributions because its all in their interests. Exactly right. Thank you. Mr. Matthews says we can handle it. Up next, new information about the man hunt for those two escaped killers. Seriously, what do you think about these guys . Have they probably done something right in their life, learn how to get away. The trail looks cold right now. When a moment spontaneously turns romantic why pause to take a pill . And why stop what youre doing to find a bathroom . With cialis for daily use, you dont have to plan around either. 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Com well, the manhunt for those two convicted killers who broke out of the new york state prison are now into its 11th day. According to a senior new york official authorities have received no solid intelligence over the past four days as to where they are. Also today the husband of joyce mitchell, that prison worker who has been charged with helping the convicts escape, visited his wife in jail today. Msnbcs adam riess joins us from new york. Are they in that forest or have they given up there . Reporter we dont know. Theyre expanding their search to other areas around dannemora. There have been a thousand tips. 800 searchers are out here, but there hasnt been one solid lead. It looks like the trail has gone cold. That opens the question, could they have gotten away in those six hours before the prison authorities were alerted to their escape . Could they have gotten a hitch somewhere . Reporter its quite possible. Weve learned that they havent really set up the checkpoints until a period of time after they left. So its quite possible they made their way out of the perimeter before all of these checkpoints were set up. Were looking at a guy right now on the stock film or the recent film here of a guy going way down into a hole. Are they looking for them in holes . What are they doing . Reporter theyre looking everywhere, chris. Theyre going through the forest, theyve got dogs. Theyre talking to people inside the prison, corrections officers, people in the town. Theyre still going house to house. Theyre talking to residents. Theyre talking to everyone. They might be talking to people in canada, people in mexico, as far away as california. They say theyre looking everywhere. Nothing is out of the question. What about the meeting today between the prison worker who has been charged with helping them to escape and her husband . What do we know from that meeting . Anything . Reporter despite allegations that she wanted him dead, her husband still supports her. He went and visited her. They met through a plexiglas window. She told her attorney she was actually happy to see him. She said that shes distraught, weepy, upset, remorseful that shes helped these two guys escape jail. What a story this is. Thank you so much, msnbcs adam riess. Up next, a republican president ial debate with the bombastic donald trump on the stage. Wheat get to that next. Is there such a thing as a sure thing in business . Some say buy gold. Others say buy soybeans. I say, buy comcast business internet. Unlike internet providers that slow down when traffic picks up, you get speed you can rely on. Its a safe bet. Like a goldplated soybean. Reliably fast internet starts at 69. 95 a month. Comcast business. Built for business. Theres been no crowd like this, and i can tell you some of the candidates they went in, they didnt know the air conditioner didnt work. They sweated like dogs. They didnt know the room was too big because they didnt have anybody there. How are they going to beat isis . I dont think its going to happen. Were back. That was donald trump declaring his candidacy for president and making jokes about some of his gop rivals. Republicans better get used to trump taking personal shots at them. Just wait for those gop debates coming up in august. Today was new exception. Trump wasted no time going after jeb bush and marco rubio. Here he goes. You looked at bush. It took him five days to answer the question on iraq. He couldnt answer the question. He didnt know. I said, is he intelligent . Then i looked at rubio. He was unable to answer the question. Is iraq a good thing or a bad thing . He didnt know. He couldnt answer the question. How are these people going to lead us . How are we going to go back and make it great again . We cant. They dont have a clue. They cant lead us. They cant. They cant even answer simple questions. It was terrible. Looked pretty good there. Trump didnt stop there. He continued his assault on jeb. Here he goes. Bush is totally in favor of common core. I dont see how he can possibly get the nomination. Hes weak on immigration. Hes in favor of common core. How the hell can you vote for this guy . You just cant do it. So what happens when donald trump actually gets on the stage with the rest of the crowded 2016 gop field and how his rivals respond to that . Joining the roundtable tonight Jonathan Capehart with the washington post, liz mair is a republican strategist and Heidi Przybyla is a reporter for bloomberg. Lets start right down the line here. You throw this guy into the pool. The water splashes like mad and everybody gets swamped. Nobody gets a lot of attention once he shows. When you have that many people on the stage no ones going to get a whole lot of attention. So the thinking will probably be get your soundbite in. Donald trump, as we know from years of watching this guy, is a soundbite machine. So you take that plus im still not convinced the guy is were going to be talking about him come january or february. Lets talk august. August . If hes going to be there. No, hes going to be there. Hes a guy who really doesnt care. So hell say anything. Suppose he goes from, say, seventh or eighth, where he is now, liz, and he does one of the ross perots and pops up to third. Will he walk away when hes in contention . I have no idea what the ultimate game plan is here. My opinion is this is all a publicity stunt. Even if hes doing well, he would quit . I dont know. What i will say with regard to the debates, if i were advising any of the candidates, i would tell them to work on the presumption that hes going to be there. Make sure theyve done their Opposition Research on everybody else on the stage including him and be ready to fire back at him. Would you fire back . Yes, i would. Yes, i would. I would absolutely fire back. Try the shake it off. You have to fire back. You have to. Theres no one more happy about this than you cant let a guy knock your head off and act like it didnt happen. You have to respond. But the problem is, like liz says, they have to come in and do extra and says ill steal your line. Hes going to create some awkward moments. Trump said all he hears is talk. Isnt it funny . All he hears is talk from his republican rivals in the gop. Here he is. I watched the speeches of these people and they say the sun will rise, the moon will set, all sorts of wonderful things will happen. And people are saying, whats going on . I just want a job. Just get me a job. I dont need the rhetoric. I want a job. Look, i have a theory about this guy. Its so simple. The average working guy out there male sees him as the wife, golden buildings, hes a comic figure, comic book figure. He has a lot of dash to him, splash to him. Do you think people connect and say, maybe he can create jobs. Seriously, any chance theyll see a connection . They might see a connection. But going back to the debate stage, if he does one of these zingers that hits a little too close to home, that is a little too rude, a little too over the line, he will fizzle. People like bite in candidates but they dont like the bite to go in so deep that its offensive. Right. And he said some things today that were offensive. Called people losers. Immigrants coming up, some of them are rapists. Some of them are good, actually. Some of them are good. He once said about george w. Bush. He may not be the worst president in history but hes certainly the stupidest. He just says that stuff. What happens if jebs standing there when he says that . My brother, youre talking about my brother. It will be an awkward moment and hell probably just dismiss it elegantly and move on. But back to your point on the jobs argument. We are talking about a time in American History when theres no other issue that creates more anxiety in this country than job losses. Here is the guy that actually patented the trademark on the phrase, youre fired. President obama i think there are a lot of people out there who are just angry and pissed off and are probably going to be drawn to some of the rhetoric, but the firing back will be important because people have to shut that down. Obama has speech writers. But if you have enough time to set up the artillery. President obama at the Correspondents Dinner a couple years ago. Donald trump is here tonight. Now, i know that hes taken some flak lately, but no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. And thats because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter like did we fake the moon landing. What really happened in roswell . And where are biggie and tupac . Thats like roosevelt in the speech. But it took time to get that ready, bring in the artillery, get jokes ready. Roundtable staying with us. It is possible to identify yourself as black if youre white . Well talk about that with our expert here. John has been writing about it. Well talk about that and the interview with the woman, well show a bit of that, too. That said she was black. How do you get to the top of your game . Give it everything youve got and leave those sticky sunscreens behind. New neutrogena cooldry sport. Powerful protection designed to feel good. Micromesh technology lets sweat pass through and evaporate so skin stays comfortable, while clinically proven protection keeps going strong. Dont get stuck with a sticky sunscreen. Stay protected and comfortable with every move. New cooldry sport. Neutrogena. Seriously . Youre not at all concerned . About what now . Oh, i dont know. The apocalypse . Were fine. I bundled renters with my Car Insurance through progressive for just six bucks more a month. Word. 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Civil rights activist Rachel Dolezal resigned yesterday as the chapter president of the naacp in spokane after she was accused of being dishonest and deceptive with her identity. It began when she was asked this question are you africanamerican . I dont i dont understand the question. Are your parents, are they white . According to her parents, Rachel Dolezal is a white is white but had been presenting herself since 2007 as an africanamerican. Further scrutiny revealed she had identified an africanamerican man as her father on facebook, and she had invented stories about her childhood. Her claims have sparked outrage across the country, but shes now speaking out to try to identify why she identifies with a different race. Here is what she said to say in an interview. From a very young age, felt a a spiritual, visceral, just very instinctual connection with black is beautiful, you know, just the black experience and wanting to celebrate that. And i didnt know how to articulate that as a young child, kindergarten or whatever. You dont have words for whats going on. But certainly that was that was i mean, i was socially conditioned to not own that and to be be limited to to whatever biological identity was thrust upon me. Jonathan, youve been talking on this, youve been writing about it, i want to hear what you think. Look, had Rachel Dolezal simply said, yes, i identify with that connection, i feel a connection to that community, that would have been great. If she had done that and not fabricated her own life stole, if she had just said i identify as black, yes what does that mean, identify as black . Someone who identifies with the culture, who identifies with the people, who feel strongly not just here, but here. What about the make up and the hair and all this, this effort to look black . Is that all right with you . Thats fine with me, too, if thats what she wants to do, if thats how she wants to express her black identity as she sees it, fine. Has anybody else ever done this that you know of . Not that i know of. But my problem here is her entire story is fabricated. She said she lived in a teepee and she had to hunt with bowes and arrows for their food. Not true. She put a picture of an africanamerican man, herself with an africanamerican man on the naacp Facebook Page says this is my dad, hes going to come to the event. Thats not her father. She made stories up. Thats why i think so many black people around the country are angry. You dont have to be you dont have to be black to run an naacp chapter. Whats your the part, jonathan, this im hearing also from africanamerican women is its not just a lie, but its a lie thats basically parachuting into this identity of being a black at a point where its beneficial for her, furthers her career, without having actually lived the black experience, going through the discrimination and the barriers but its based on african ya studies. She wants to engage and join that culture. Liz. I just cant get over the weirdness of this story overall. I keep trying to think of something really intelligent and meaningful to say about this and i just think this lady is nuts and well, you know and i just hope what this doesnt do is have this story detract from my meaningful work that she was doing. Because some of my africanamerican friends have expressed a little bit of worry about that to me. But the whole thing just strikes me as completely awful. She can reboot if she wants to. She was asked whether shes a con artist. Thats a tough question. Here is what she said. Are you a con artist . I dont think so. You know . I dont think anything that i have done with regards to the movement, my work, my life, my identity, i mean, its all been very thoughtful and careful. Sometimes decisions have been made for survival reasons or to protect people that i love. You know what this sparks to me . My long maybe not profound, but to me interesting question about the influence of africanamericans on white americans, over all these hundreds of years and how it has affected our culture. Were different than europeans. Because i think this experience among us, between us, has been very powerful. And somebody is going to write something brilliant about this some day. Its not just hip hop music or jazz even or anything like that. Its whats more profound, i think. Well, yeah, because africanamericans are in the bedrock of this nation. Right. Thats why. But thats why i think Rachel Dolezal, though, takes that to an extreme in her appearance. But, again, i keep going back to her fabrication of her own history, her own story is what thrusts her into the national conversation. If she is just if she had just done everything shes done with the exception of lying about her history, with wouldnt even know her name. Rachel dolezals interview is coming next next with all in with chris hayes. Im going to talk about donald trump as a president ial candidate, as well. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. Announcer ] take zzzquil and sleep like. The kids went to nanas house. For the whole weekend [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] zzzquil, the non habit forming sleep aid that helps you sleep easily and wake refreshed. Because sleep is a beautiful thing. Let me finish tonight with this. In the fall of 2008 in the last days of that years president ial campaign, candidate barack obama spoke in a rough africanamerican neighborhood in north philadelphia. I know the neighborhood well. This area has not yet gotten itself off the ground. And what was candidate obamas greatest applause line when speaking to this audience . It came when he spoke not of greater government benefits or anything of that kind. The crowd went into something near ecstasy when he spoke about the need to lead a united america. I dare never to speak for africanamericans, but one thing that ive discovered is the longing by this community to be accepted as full americans. 100 americans, not separate but equal, but as much all american as others. Lebron james, for example, being as much recognized as an allamerican type as tom brady. Its this entire to be seen at 100 american, not 80 or in some other category. The deal like barack obama seemed to answer which is the reason why i have found despicable the attempts by some knowing its not true that our president is some africanamerican trying to pretend hes one of us, some foul malignancy offering himself up a as allamerican. Why do i find it despicable . That Barack Obamas americanness cuts to the very heart of what this country has promised africanamericans and some still find too hard to deliver. A full embrace as not just equal, but fellow citizens embraced as compatriots. Today, the man who pushed that that the president is not a legitimate claim in his office offered himself up as a president ial candidate. Donald trump now presents himself for us to consider as his successor. I can only say this. Having been taught to hate the sin and not the sinner, you must, therefore, taking seriously mr. Trumps shortterm commitment to this contest await the sinners repentance. Thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in they dont know me. They really dont know what ive actually walked through and how hard it is. Rachel dolezal breaks her silence and our own Melissa Harrisperry asks the questions Everyone Wants to know. Are you black . Do you consider yourself a con artist . Plus, donald trump rides his own golden escalator to the 2016 stage. Im really rich. Ill show you that next time. It was a president ial announcement that needs to be seen to be believed. I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. We will have full analysis of trumps political theater