Sanders was in washington today, where he met with president obama for more than an hour. It came days after the president praised Hillary Clinton and seemed to dismiss sanders appeal with an interview with politico. Bright, shiny object people havent seen before. Thats a disadvantage to clinton. Earlier today, i spoke with clinton about Bernie Sanders attacks, and the historic nature of her candidacy. Closing time and closing arguments in New Hampshire coming on quickly. Donald trump is not going to debate on fox tomorrow night. Will you debate on our debate . Will you show up . Look, chris, what i said to my campaign is that i would look forward to another debate. I am, you know, anxious. If we can get something set up to be able to be there, and so lets try to make it happen. Well, someone has to lead from the front. Will you be there no matter what . Will you show up and wait and see . Will you be there waiting for Bernie Sanders an Martin Omalley . Would you, in other words, lead the pack in showing up and committing to doing that . Look, im ready for the debate and i hope senator sanders will change his mind and join us. I think the dnc and campaign should be able to work this out. I said for, you know, for a long time that i would be happy to have more debates, and i hope we can get this done. Well, if he doesnt show up, will you . Well, lets hope we can get it worked out. I dont want to, you know, jump the gun and create more problems for everybody trying to get this worked out. So we can all come to agreement that the voters of New Hampshire and america deserve to see us, you know, debating before the New Hampshire primary. So you wont be there, just the last question, you wont be there unless bernie is there . Well, im not committing to that, either, chris. I think we should have another debate. I think people want it. They have called for it. Folks have moved forward trying to get it set up. Weve got, look, 24 hours in a political is a eternity. We have a little time to try to get everybody on board, which would certainly be my preference. You believe candidates should have the courage to face each other before the caucuses, in other words . You think you should be there, and he should be there . I do. I think that, you know, i agree, we all agree to go with the process that the dnc had set up, and you know, ive been saying for a while that if they come up with more debates, ill be there. Now weve got a real live possibility. And i personally think it would be great for the, you know, the primary. Were moving into the caucus, as you know so well on monday, and then had once we come out of there, whatever happens, we should agree to debate in New Hampshire. In other words, youre sticking to your commitment, i will be there . I will, i will debate. Now, as i say, i want the i want all the campaign, the dnc to agree. Thats my preference. Thats what weve tried to, you know, do in our side of the ledger here. And im pushing people to come to agreement, so we can all get out there and debate before the New Hampshire primary. Well, this getting very sharply worded as we get close to the caucuses. The word in the New York Times this morning, madam secretary, is senator sander ss writing an attack ad against you. We dont know whether hes going to use it, but youre in hock to wall street because of the speaking fees youve taken from Goldman Sachs. How do you respond . How will you respond to an 11th hour attack like that . Well, first, its really disappointing, chris. You know, senator sanders has started to get increasingly personal. Its a low blow. It would be an escalation, breaking of his pledge to not go negative. One of the things that is great about the democratic side is we really have focused on issues, while the republicans have been hurlg insults, and i think the people in iowa want to go to the caucuses, thinking about which one of us as president , and actually make a difference from their lives. And thats the case ive been focused on making. So you know, it would be a sharp departure by senator sanders, and you know, the other part of this is anybody who knows me knows you cant buy me. I mean honestly, ive been standing, trying to get things done that i think would improve peoples lives and im not going to stop and that includes anybody trying to, you know, mess with our financial system. When he uses phrases like you can draw your own conclusions as to whether youre in hock to Goldman Sachs or anyone, is that a low blow, you could draw your own conclusions . Well, i think hes trying to go to the line without going over it, and you know, clearly some of the journalists covering us are starting to notice and call him out on it. But i feel very, you know, very positive and energized by what im seeing happening here in iowa, and i know that i have the best plan to reign in wall street abuses to make sure it doesnt happen again. Lots of folks from barney frank to paul krugman have said thats the case, because i dont just go after the big banks. We have the authority to do that under frank, and ive said that i would use that authority if they were posing a Systemic Risk to our ee coop me. We have to go after the shadow bank sector. Lets not forget country wide, lets also remind people, chris, that clearly, the billionaires as bernie likes to say, the billionaires have chosen sides, theyre running ads against me and tried to hood wink democrats into voting against me, because they know exactly what i will do, because they see me in action. So whether its, you know, carl rowe or the Hedge Fund Guys with the super pacs, or jumping in with the ham handed effort to make it look like he was going against bernie when the real point was to, you know, stir opposition to me. I take that as preservely flattering, and as the single reputation as what senator sander ss trying to imply. Youve given us a real rogue gallery here. Shouting slogans, i know what you mean, im going to build a wall against the rio grande river, im going to make the mexicans pay for it. But sanders say free health care, government paid health care for right as a right. He talks about free tuition, free, free. Is that what you mean, i had a young guy on from south carolina, who switched from you to senator sanders. I went through this list of free things, and i said where is the money come from . He says well, we put a man on the moon, we can do this. This kind of fantastic, what do you call it, appeal, and then i heard from sanders the other day that theyre going to stay left, not make any appeal to the middle. How do you beat somebody who promises to go hard left right to november and offers all this stuff to people who are 20 years old, 22 years old, they dont have to pay taxes, you say look, youre going to get free, no more tuition bills, no more bills, youre going to have no health care the rest of your life, forget having to buy insurance, its i pretty good offer. Is that what you mean by shouting slogans. I was really more referring to the republicans, as you pointed out initially. I have been pointing out the differences in the approach between myself and senator sanders. Because i know that its more important we actually make progress than fall back into good lock. Lets take health care as an example. You know, weve been trying as democrats since harry truman to get on the path of union vertical coverage. Before that, it was called hillary care, i have the scarce scars to prove it. We are now at 90 coverage. We need to improve it, get the costs down and make sure we do go after high Prescription Drug costs and some of the other drivers of health care costs, but i think its a lot smarter to try to go from 90 to 100 than to throw our country into another contentious debate about health care, where is the money going to come from, who is going to be paying it. If you have health care, you like if youre under a private plan, you have to give it up, if youre on medicare, and you work, you have to pay more taxes. All these questions would be thrown back into the public arena and we would have to start all over again from zero to 100 . I just think we want to stay on the path of making progress. Now some people, you know, say oh, my gosh, thats so pragmatic, its not soaring or whatever they say. Im out there talking to people whose Prescription Drug costs have gone up from 200 to 14,000. Im talking to people whose insulin costs have gone up three times. Thats not a new drug. That doesnt have any new research in it. Im talking to people who are thanking me for the Affordable Care act, because the lifetime limit, the cap has been lifted. A man in davenport said im so gradeful because i have a granddaughter with a genital heart condition. These people cant wait for another debate that promises the sky. We have to deliver on the ground. We have to help people deal with the problems, the issues that challenges theyre facing right now. We have to restore faith that our goth can work. That is what i intend to do as president. Im going to keep fighting for that. I respect the bowl, because senator and i share the same goal. I think my way will get us there faster. The people here in iowa are telling me they are desperately in need of. Last question, and its so important, this campaign. I know you think so. It has to do with history. Not the only issue. If you look at the american constitution, and youve studied constitutional law, it wasnt until after the civil war that africanamerican men were given the right to vote, and women didnt get it nol the first world war. There a long lag there. Obama was elected president , you might get elected president. You may well get elected president. Do you think Young American women, say young women in college, 18 to 22, 23, do they get it . How long this struggle has been and the fact that its a precarious struggle that could fall back. Do they know the rights to equality at workplace, where they do get it, all were fought for . Do they get it . I dont know that they do. Do you think they get it . Look, i think a lot of young people and i wouldnt limit it to women. I think young people of every background, every, you know, racial, ethnic religious background, are you know, trying to understand how best they can participate in our political system, and what the stakes are for them. And of course, you know, if youre if you havent been through a lot of these struggles, its ease easy to not know about them or they didnt go far enough, or everything is taken care of. So we have the two extremes of the argument. But here is what im hearing. At least from the young women who come to see me. They say, hey, okay, youre for equal pay, what are you going to do to make sure i get it. I had a young woman here in iowa say i want to go to law school. How can i be sure if i work hard and do well and get a job, im going to get equal pay. I said okay, thats the right question, because weve been fighting for this, weve made progress, but not enough. Here is what i think we need to do to get it. Or young women who say i cant balance family work. I had a young woman come to smee holding her nine month old baby. She said you know, i cant go back to work until i get my baby stabilized. I need to take family leave. What are you going to do about it. So i think what is happening is as the Campaign Goes on, a lot of young people, and lets focus on young women, are moving from the sort of general, either we havent gone far enough or those fights are over and i dont have to worry about it, to being much more specific, and that is a good development, because at the end of our efforts here in the primary, if im so fortunate enough to get the nomination, then i think we fight out an election between a party that believes weve got to continue to address the lacks in our drive for equality, our drive for justice, whether its racism, sexism, homophobe yeah, you name it, and the other doesnt want to admit they exist. I think were going to have a positive reaction in the general election between the big deniers on the republican side and lets make progress, get things done on my side. Thank you so much. One last, just to clarify what you said about the dedebate. Would you like the chairman to approve the msnbc nbc debate next week . I would like the chairman of the party and the campaigns to agree that we can debate in New Hampshire next week. That is what im hoping will happen. Okay. Thank you so much. Its been an honor to have you on. Secretary Hillary Clinton. Thank you for joining us on hardball tonight. Thanks, chris. Good to talk to you again. Coming up, donald trump is going to skip the republican debate. At war right now with fox. News anchor and its pr team. Well, trump out foxed fox. Well, his gambit pay off . Ill ask ann colter straight ahead. What will the snubbing fox have on the race out in iowa. Hes neck in neck with cruz right now. Cruz says if trump wins, hell be unstoppable. Heroin addiction on the rise across the country. Major issue in the campaign trail up in New Hampshire. Were going to talk to two senators trying to break the chain of addiction in america. Finally, let me finish tonight with a role model for donald trump. Teddy roosevelt, this is hardball, a place for politics. 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On caucus night in iowa, you will be able to tell very early, i think, who wins and who loses. If there is a large voter turn out, were going to win. That was a beautiful Lafayette Park across from the white house. Hardball returns after this. Welcome back to hardball. Republican frontrunner stunned the political world by announcing he will not show up at the debate hosted by fox news. Fox respond by issuing a statement saying quote, we learned from a back channel that the ayatollah and putin both intend to treat donald trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president. He has his own secret plan to replace the cabinet with his twitter followers to see if he should go to the meetings. After he put out the tweet, he said he wasnt going to be toyed with. With me, theyre dealing with somebody thats a little different. They cant toy with me like they toy with everybody else. So let them have their debate. And lets see how they do with the ratings. And i told them, i said give money to the Wounded Warriors, give money to the veterans, theyre going to make a fortune with the debate. Lets see how many people watch. When they sent out the wise guy press releases, along with roger ails, i said byebye, okay. Byebye. Any way, the back and forth continued with megan kelly when she realktded to trumps decision. Trump is not used to not controlling things, as the chief executive of a large organization. But the truth is, he doesnt get to control the media. And of course, trumps main rival in iowa, ted cruz pounced on the drama between trump and fox. Apparently megan kelly is really, really scary. And you know, donald is a fragile soul. You know, if she asks him mean questions, i mean, his hair might stand on end. If he thinks megan kelly is so scary, what exactly does he think he would do with vladimir putin. I promise you, putin is a lot scarier than megan kelly and i would like him to explain to the people of iowa how is prepared to be commander of chief if hes terrified by a television host. Late today, trump announced hes holding a counter event when the debate starts at 9 eastern. Will i out fox fox. Dana mill bangs, an opinion writer with the washington post. You know, ann, this is an amazing night. I think its a battle of what kind of personality or like least. I mean, trump certainly is big time. He is bombastic, over the top. Ego. And then i see this guy cruz trying to match him. I dont think hes in the same league myself. Your thoughts about the whole thing . I want you on for the theater, because you know theater. Whats going to happen tomorrow night. Will he or wont he show up . Donald trump . I hope he doesnt. He has established himself as the really alpha dog as if he hasnt already. Look, i like a lot of things about ted cruz, but one of his achilles heels is, he does not have a sense of humor. I think the joke about donald trump being afraid of megan kelly, you know, it just doesnt work. Nobody thinks donald trump is afraid of anything. And i mean, as you just, and thank you for telling the story properly, it wasnt over megan kelly. It was over that smartalecky press release. I would ask you to imagine, what if nbc released a press release before a debate. It really is it really is kind of shocking. I think trump is shaking up the way people look at fox news, as maybe not always our network. Why do you think roger ales who had to sign off on any pr that went off, it was sarcastic, it made fun of trump. It made fun of him, the front running candidate. It made him into a little chicken. Why would this last question, because i want to ask dana, why would roger start a fight that could cost him, god, 15, 20 Million People tomorrow watching. Thats right. Thats why trump has established himself as the alpha dog. I suppose because fox news, i mean, i dont know, i dont know if he even saw it, but can get arrogant ill also say that its not only smartalecky, its insulting to voters. Trump didnt like a question going back to his days as a reality tv host, when meanwhile, and i actually liked that question by the way, i have no complaint with megan kelly. Its my one disagreement with donald trump. I like the question. The unfairness is none of the other candidates were asked tough questions. Why were you asking about what trump said as a reality tv host and now hes going to help wounded veterans, how hes going to get people back to work, how hes going to deport illegal ail yens. Those are the questions and voters want to hear answers to. Not this silliness about things he said in fun and to on funny. You know, dandana, trying to think trump is funny itself. Megan and all the reporter, everybody is going to be after me. One of the things i took away, the ridiculous comment he made three or four days ago, if i shot somebody on fifth avenue, first of all, it was metaphoric, because he would go right to jail on the spot. So the idea, the bail would be set rather high. Would he have to turn over his passport. But why, i would think that might be the first thing somebody might say. Why would would you like like that. I think donald trump is atrocious for all kinds of reasons. He is a brilliant showman. It doesnt man if he shows up tomorrow. He won this thing tomorrow. Look, its the only thing anyone is talking about today. I know. If he doesnt show up, theyll talk about him. Theyll be doing split screen over there, where he is out there speaking during the debate. Wounded veterans. Of course, without the interference without the mean moderators from fox news. You know washington enough that if youre not in the room at the party, the dinner party, youre guaranteed to be talked about. So i mean, i would think that trump, theyre all going to, the moderators are going to take shot after shot at him. You know yourself, cruz not having a sense of humor. His unfunny way will be making these pretty broad humored attempts to put him down. None of them have trumps ability to have the one punch knockout. What works about trumps attacks on his opponents, the low energy, they called ben carson to say he was ahead in the polls, but he was sleeping. He has one punch knockouts, because there a grain of truth to it. What these guys dont understand is, oh, theyll go after him, because he wont be there to punch back, but none of their attacks really work. It doesnt work to call the alpha dog scared of a girl. It just doesnt work. Tricky, but i get the feeling, you know, i would have said when people took on leslie stall years ago, or natalie up in, i forget her last name, natalie up in boston, if you want to die politically, take on a woman broadcaster. Thats changed. He is going to war with megan kelly. I im not sure thats a nono any more. I think you can go to war, man against woman in politics now. What do you think . Well, certainly trump thinks so. Tell me if im wrong. He is completely equal opportunity, when he was going after ben carson for something, oh, i think it was his chronic epidemic bad temper, somebody was asking about it. Trump is the one america that doesnt discriminate on the basis of race. He doesnt discriminate on the basis of gender. Will he show up or not . Your thoughts . I hope not. I mean, normally these debates get 20 million viewers, and thats all because of trump. If he doesnt show, theyll get 20 million for the first ten minutes, and then people realize, where is trump and it will go down to 7 million. I hope he does, because otherwise i have no interest in watching it, like most of america. One move to might show up for five minutes and leave. Thank you, ann colter, on your good behavior. We dont know how to handle it. We like it. As long as youre not shooting at us. Dana mill back, thank you, sir. Full hardball coverage before and after the debate. Working all night tomorrow night, because i love these nights, 7 00 p. M. Eastern, and afterwards 11 00 p. M. Eastern again, for a full twohours going into the Morning Hours with all the highlights. A bit of trump of his thing and the Wounded Warriors of course, the debates about the debates and hopefully trump on tomorrow night. Interviews with candidates, top reporters in the spin room, which will be working over time, because there be one less guy there. Any way, this is hardball, the place for politics. So every single poll has me winning every single debate. Ive done six of them. Now you say when does it stop. How many debates do you have to do. Lets see how they do with it, lets see how many people watch. Lets see how many people watch. I said give money to the Wounded Warriors. I said give money to the veterans. Megan kelly is a lightweight. This is a lightweight. This is not a reporter. This to me is just a lightweight. You know, watching those are Something Else. Donald trump feud with fox news over the debate tomorrow night has take edge the spotlight away from his republican rivals once again. The iowa caucus next monday, Monmouth University poll, 30 to 23 against cruz, who seems to be a bit dying there. Cruz is counting on iowas evangelical vote as his best chance to carry the vote. He warned iowa pastors in a closeddoor meeting, i love these things, if he manages to pull off a victory, be wear, hell become unstoppable. Heres cruz. If donald wins iowa, he right now has a substantial lead in New Hampshire, if he went on to win New Hampshire as well, there is a very good chance he could be unstoppable and be ournami. They let the tv cameras in. According to that poll, cruz leads trump, 3225. But Jerry Falwell junior profile, chipped it away to even. Super pac mike huckabee, also taken aim at cruz with an ad intended to peel off his evangelical support. Lets listen. Have you thought about the caucus . A little. I heard something about ted cruz that gay marriage wouldnt be a top priory for him. He said it at a fundraiser in new york city. I also heard cruz gives less than 1 to charity and church. He doesnt tooit. A millionaire that brags all the time. Just what we need, another phony. Joined by the round table, you joan robinson, political analyst and comments for the washington post, carol lee for the wall street journal. I know know of you were affected by that ad. I could tell. There is some quite smirks there, but that was very targeted there. It was extremely targeted. He doesnt tooit. What kind of person . This is meaningful, and it is designed to raise questions in peoples mind about his evangelical. Gay marriage meaning getting rid of gay marriage. Its fascinating how cruz, he is using up a lot of carpal ma in this race, right, because youve got the establishment candidates attacking each other and then you have the appeal evangelical attacking each other and drawing each other down like crabs in a barrel. Trump floats above it. The macro issue with the cycle is the phony part of it. Thats the thing that people are angry about it. People are phony, politicians say what they want to get elected and change their minds. I think it would be like im sorry. It seemed look a person in eye bay trying to figure out a mayors race in new york, all the different rules about, you know, sexual more yeas and histories of battle. Trying to figure out what are they talking about. I think a lot of people in the east coast looking at iowa saying what are they talking about. Cruz is not performing among evangelicals as he needs to. Huckabee was at 46 peshs. Cruz is at 32. Huckabee was a preacher. A man of the cloth. Yeah, but well, if youre going to dominate tt vote, you need to dominate the vote to win. He has not dominated the way youre seeing him slip among evangelicals. Tell you this, if hes not doing better than 32, i dont know how he wins it. Teeth tomorrow, big casino, people in policy driven, hate this discussion, but theater matters in politics. It just does. You know, when Ronald Reagan spoke from liberty park in new jersey with the statue of liberty behind him, i was with carter back then. Trump doesnt show up tomorrow night, does that show hes the guy, does he win with that . I think he does win with that. Hes dominating the news cycle. But two, you know, cruz has been trying to make the argument that trump is in fact the establishment guy which is sort of helpful to cruz, his argument completely undermined when the establishment of fox is now in a big fight with not showing up is the ultimate antiestablishment that you can get. Im not coming to school. Yes. Thats what thats big talk. Thats another way in which hes not playing by the traditional rules. And you know, he has done this a bunch of times. I didnt go to school today. The home schools might agree with him. Polling shows that trumps voters, his supporters seem to be the most decided. They seem to be more firm in their intention than those of other candidates. So in that sense, its hard to see how he loses a lot. He is already in the lead. Can you imagine us being around during the times of roosevelt. Nobody changed their mind about politics. Republicans, nobody. I changed my mind. Nobody did. Theyre sort of lucy out there. Look at these numbers. Who was that, Hillary Clinton was 50 points ahead. Yeah, but that was sanders a few months ago. Up next, these people will tell me something. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. When youre on hold, your business is on hold. Thats why comcast business doesnt leave you there. When you call, a Small Business expert will answer you in about 30 seconds. 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All the candidates were digging out in iowa, joe biden, i traveled with him, and he gave an interesting speak to a very well healed crowd on the economy where he talked about the importance of safeguarding the middle class, undergoes revolution. Any ways, he had staked out a middle ground that would have been his, the way he campaigned, and certainly be the way he interjects himself. Endorsements dont matter. Theyre perceptions. It mattered in 08. Teddy. Yes. When falwell endorsed trump the other day, its going to matter. Its going to give him a notch. The last thing, really quickly, my friend Michael Blake who was on the ground there in 08 for us said that omalley would determine who wins actually in iowa, because his second choice is going to probably break one way or the other. There is people if they dont get the proportion they need. Thank you so much for the round table, coming up, heroin use in the country has become an epidemic. When i talk to two u. S. 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Hardball, back after this. Welcome back to hardball. Drug addiction from substances like heroin, opiates, and prescription painkillers have grown into a national epidemic. No longer a crisis confined to the inner city, if you will, it has spread to the suburbs and ravaging states like New Hampshire, a state in the 2016 spotlight. Today on capitol hill, a Bipartisan Group of senators urged to action while testifying before the Senate Judiciary committee. We also saw both Senate Leaders promise, both Senate Leaders to promise to move quickly. Last year in kentucky, we lost more people to overdoses than we did in car wrecks. Were trying to craft something that we think makes a difference but work it through the regular order process and move to it soon. Do you think you can finish that by the end of the year . We certainly hope so. I personally think it would be a shame to wait until the end of the year. We should be moving on that now. Its a scourge. The only way it can be resolved is with legislation. Joined right now by senator Jeanne Shaheen, a democrat from New Hampshire. She testified in todays hearing. She has also announced any level that would provide 600,000 in emergency funding kmat drug addiction. Shes joining me along with independent senator angus king of maine whos a cosponsor of that legislation. Senator shaheen, tell us this, whats it like in your state, New Hampshire, were going to be focusing on and visiting in the weeks ahead . Well, its a real epidemic. Drug and opioid abuse and i think its gotten to the point where its a pandemic. This is a real Public Health emergency. We need to be responding to such. Its encouraging, i think theres a lot of bipartisan support in the senate, and here in congress to address this. And the legislation that senator king and i have introduced would be a multifaceted approach to supporting those efforts that we know work. Everything from law enforcement, to intervention, and treatment and recovery, to Prescription Drugs, to making sure that we are taking every opportunity we can to stop the abuse and try to help those families who are struggling with this. Senator king, what kind of people can live a life on heroin . You cant have a job, can you . Are they different aged people . Are they sort of, like, not working . Who are the people who are on heroin . You have to shoot yourself up. It seems to me a complete commitment to this addiction. Well, it is. Its a way of life, unfortunately, and the other unfortunate piece as you alluded to, chris, in your introduction is this is no respecter of gender, age, race, anything else. Its really a catastrophe. Were losing nationwide, chris, five people an hour to overdose deaths. Now, thats a small fraction of the people who are addicted, but just think of that, between breakfast and lunch, were going to lose more people this morning than we lost in san bernardino. I mean what triggered this . Its just unbelievable. What triggered it . Ill tell you what triggered it, the enormous use, and i think overuse and overprescription of prescription painkillers. The experts tell us that four out of five new heroin addicts started on Prescription Drugs. And thats where i think we need to direct a lot of attention. Senator shaheen, a lot of people are going to be up there, tell us how youre going to make this case. Are you going it be able to beat the drum with the candidates for president who are all going to come to New Hampshire in the days ahead . Absolutely. Thats already started. We heard on both sides of the isle the candidates have addressed this, talked about what theyve seen in their own families, in their own states and what they think we ought to do. You know, ive endorsed hillary. I think she has a plan out there that would really call attention to how we need to invest to address this. You know, its costing 700 billion a year in lost productivity. So the 600 million that were talking about in our emergency spending bill is a drop in the bucket when you think of what we can do to prevent that lost 600 talking about in our emergency spending bill is a drop in the bucket when you think of what we can do to prevent that lost productivity. Yeah. We spent 5 billion last year to address the Ebola Outbreak and had only one death in this country from ebola. Were losing in New Hampshire a person a day from drug overdoses. Three times as many last year as we lost in traffic accidents. Okay. Well i hope the people suffering from this addiction right now take action right now and family members to stop it now. Me, too. This is going to take at least a year to get something done here. Thank you so much, senator Jeanne Shaheen and senator angus king. Thank you. When we return, let me finish with a role model for donald trump, the roughride himself, Teddy Roosevelt. I have a particular point to make tonight. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. If you need a reason to start celebrating super bowl 50 early ill give you two. Get a large,1topping pizza for only 50 cents when you order any large pizza at regular menu price. Better ingredients. Better pizza. Better football. Papajohns. Com when youre on hold, your business is on hold. Thats why comcast business doesnt leave you there. When you call, a Small Business expert will answer you in about 30 seconds. No annoying hold music. Just a real person, real fast. Whenever you need them. So your business can get back to business. Sounds like my rides ready. Dont get stuck on hold. Reach an expert fast. Comcast business. Built for business. Let me finish tonight with another new yorker who found himself in the president ial business. Teddy roosevelt was our youngest and in his day perhaps the most popular president. He was roughrider, the guy who charged up san juan hill, the guy who built the panama canal, took on the trust, won the Nobel Peace Prize for ending the war between russia and japan and of course great pioneer work in conservation. There was Something Else about him. He was a plan of conviction. He promised in 1904 even before his inauguration that he wouldnt seek reelection again. Four years later, he kept that promise. He knew that if he changed his mind when 1908 had come around and ran again, people would have supported him. He was popular, after all. People would just figure, well, thats what politicians do, go back on their word. For their own selfinterest. Thats why Teddy Roosevelt said he didnt run again in 1908 because he, Teddy Roosevelt, said he wouldnt. Thats why hes up there on mt. Rushmore today. I say this because whatever else i think about donald trump, my god, hes a mixed bag, id like him to stick to what he said last night and not let him show up at tomorrow nights debate. Let them have the debate without donald trump or anyone else who looks remotely like him up on the welllist stage. Excuse me for being a lover of romance. If politics doesnt have its wonders, why Pay Attention in the first place. Thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. Dont forget, join Rachel Maddow in one hour at 9 00 eastern for a special town hall an american disaster the crisis in flint. All in with chris hayes of course starts right now. Tonight on all in. Were not seeing a lot of courage here, are we . Donald trump escalates with fox news. I dont know what games roger ailes is playing but whats wrong over there. Tonight, new questions about the rncs role in the fox news debate. You know, thats not for us to second guess. 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