For him. Thanks to al in d. C. John and i will be back tomorrow in gotham city. Well see you then. Thanks for watching. And sayonara. Coming up, hardball with Chris Matthews. The third man. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington on this day after easter. The republican nominee for president will either be donald trump who will win on delegates, or someone else who wins at an open convention. If it comes to it, that could be Ohio Governor john kasich, our guest tonight. Im joined by president ial candidate Governor John Kasich of ohio. A poll shows you beating Hillary Clinton by 11 points in a
hypothetical general election matchup. It shows trump losing to clinton by 38 to 49 . Youre fund rising off the lowlevel feud between trump and cruz. Your campaign sent out an email today that reads enough is enough with the mud slinging and the personal attacks. Its time to get serious and select a republican who can win in the fall. With your help, it would deny Trump Delegates and head into the convention with the man who will win. Theres two ways the Republican Party will pick a delegate. Donald trump, or someone else at the convention. How do you win at the convention . Looking at it from this point . Well, because, chris, if you take a look at all the polls that republican versus hillary, im really the only one who consistently wins. I think the fox poll may be an aberration for cruz. But theres no way he wins. You go to the convention. Im a conservative. Some of these talk show people, you know, try to run me down. Tell me whos balanced more budgets, reformed welfare, cut more taxes, shrunk government, transferred power out of washington, or out of our state capital. Nobodys done all that. Who knows more about national security. So i think at that point theyre going to say, all right, who can win in the fall, which is me, and secondly, this is a crazy one, chris, who actually could be president . And who could help fix the country . I think both of those things are appealing to delegates. You know who the delegates are. Theyre the people you know. Theyre the local party officials, theyre former state legislators, former congressmen. These are people that will make good choices, and this notion that everythings going to be crazy over there is false. Lets talk about lets gps it. You get to cleveland. You get some delegates. Trump doesnt have new for the
1,237, neither does cruz, hes well behind trump. You get to the convention and start giving that pitch, which i think is a good pitch. Who are the leaders . Are there any leaders . Is Reince Priebus a leader . Do we have any guys with cigars like bob strauss would sit in the back room, and actually ohwhos going to broker the damn thing . Dont you need leaders who say, come in here, we think we have a deal that will work here . Figure it out. Whos going to broker it . Who are the brokers . Well, look, youre going to have people like haley barber involved. On my side ive got charlie black. I was there with charlie in 1976. I was just a kid. Charlie was one of the most important people in the Reagan Campaign and hell be involved with us. Ben weber is another one, john sununu, they know how to do these kinds of things. In terms of how you broker it, this isnt going to be a bunch of guys sitting in the back room with a bunch of cigars, i dont
think, because we have so much transparency now. If you smell of smoke coming from the back room, people will smell it. A person going into the convention who led in delegates was only selected three times out of ten. So at some point people are going to look, think about brussels. Weve got one guy weve got one guy saying that we should ban all muslims from coming into america. I have no idea how you would do that. Weve got another guy we should be patrolling muslim neighborhoods. You and i both know if youre going to have intelligence and protect the country, you cant alienate the many people you need to help us to figure out where the radicals are and where they live. These things are important, chris. Were talking about electing the commander in chief, not all this politics. Forget it. I agree with you, governor. Some guy in new york deciding ellis island, wherever you have
to decide this, decides at the airport, are you a men onnite christian or supporting jewish . A lot of people have similar looks and backgrounds. I dont know how you decide on somebodys religious beliefs. I agree with you on that. What do you think of cruz having patrol cars going through neighborhoods, where he thinks there are suspiciously islamic and driving around in squad cars patrolling them . All i know is bill bratton, who is the best spers on policing in america, i only spoke to him one time. He is a brilliant guy. Ran boston, i guess he ran whatever it is, the traffic side of boston, the subways and all that, the metro system, police chief of new york city. He goes to los angeles, he figures out how to deal with the gangs. Now hes back in new york again. He said this idea that cruz has is crazy. And then his deputy saying the
same thing. What are you going to do . You get this information on i want to say one more thing. If you want to get information on radicalism, who do you think is going to find it out, Chris Matthews or someone who is part of the Muslim Community . How do you make this case, though . The last convention, like three ballots, the democrats back in 52, they had a guy they didnt like, thought he was a drunk or something, just didnt like the guy. He didnt make it to the all of a sudden this wellspoken guy, stevenson, by the third ballot he wins. Youre laughing that nothings like that happened but in the movies in the last 60 years. How about lincoln . Thats a long time ago, before the tube and everything else. How do you rise up on the third or fifth or sixth ballot . Assuming trump doesnt get to
1,237. The establishment says heres how you do it. Okay. I dont know that the establishment, the delegates are going to look at record. Im going to stress that i can be the president to fix the country. But secondly, i have the ability to get the crossover votes, to actually win. I beat hillary soundly in every Single National poll. Either we want to win i assume were trying to pick a republican who can win in the fall and somebody that can be president. So you get around, you see the delegations look, i was with Ronald Reagan in 1976. I ran five states for him at the convention. And we came very, very close to defeating an incumbent republican president. The delegates take this stuff seriously. So well have our people out there, theyll have their people out there. And well make the appeal. Elses worked pretty well for me throughout my lifetime. Between now and cleveland this summer, where are you going
to win . Youre apparently pulling your ads in parts of wisconsin. Are you going to win wisconsin or is that going to go to somebody else . Can you win pennsylvania . I think youre strong in pennsylvania. Well, look, were in pennsylvania, were in a dead heat with trump, okay . And then when we head farther east, were going to peick up delegates. Well pick up delegates in all these places and well move forward. Well get delegates here in wisconsin. Pennsylvanias going to be, like i say, were doing very well there. But the key is not necessarily having to win as much as it has to do with getting delegates. By the way, you know, ive received like no bump. Im whining a little bit here. I win ohio by 11 points and what do people say, hohum . I mean, the day before the election theyre like, its but its let me ask you this question. How many people who have ever run for president in the Republican Party got elected
without winning ohio . How many . None. I can give you the answer. Zero. I know. Its like a battleground state. Its really critical. Im not going on any ticket. If trump cleans up his act and says its the only way the republicans win the general, we need ohio and they need you, what do you say . Im not doing that. Not for havent vice president. By the time i finish my second term as governor, if i dont work out here, i will have been in public life for 30 years. Thats about as much service as anybody can be expected to give, and for those who serve their country, why dont you serve your country and get behind me. What are you doing . Serve your country and get behind me. How do you like that, matthews . Thats pretty good. Thats pretty personal. Get behind me, come on. My vote is waiting for
november. But thank you very much. Im not talking about you, im talking thats personal. I was getting nervous there. I thought you were retailing me for a minute. Anyway, john kasich of ohio, thanks for coming on. Its always great. Coming up, trump versus cruz. The battle between donald trump and ted cruz sounds Like High School boys towel snapping in the locker room. Trump said of cruz, he started it. Also, weekend with bernie. Bernie has victories in all three contests, alaska, hawaii and state of washington. Hes stepping up his attacks right now on Hillary Clinton. Can he still win the democratic nomination . Great question. Plus, fresh off the weekend. The round table gives access to the reporters notebooks. And finally tonight, let me finish with what happened 100 years ago today, a terrible beauty was born. This is hardball, the place for politics. Or saving th
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thank you for joining us. Hallie, we just had john kasich on. Hes hopeful he can be the third man, the one who emerges, after multiple ballots up in cleveland. I guess thats what what is cruz how does he he wins wisconsin, i guess, isnt that the plan . And then moves on . Thats the goal. Thats exactly right. Win wisconsin and move on. Its not just a strategy about delegates, because obviously the Campaign Wants to lock up the nomination before a contested convention. That does seem very difficult for them. If you look at the map, its nearly impossible, or is impossible for john kasich to do. Which is why hes looking for a contested convention. The team has strategies in place to do this, especially when it comes to delegates. Youve seen what theyve done in louisiana making sure their delegate slates are stacked, picking up the delegates from rubio, and doing the same thing in south carolina. Look for them to do that in
north dakota this weekend and colorado coming up. Why does wisconsin matter . Well, for ted cruz, its an opportunity to prove not only can he win another state, that he can do it in the midwest and pick up momentum as the rest of the calendar moves east to new york and new jersey, where you would think trump would romp, but the Cruz Campaign is certainly not receding. If he wins wisconsin, that does shake things up. Al, we were talking in that earlier segment with john kasich. I said, who are the bosses in politics . Who are the people in the back room like in the old days, bob strauss, the democratic side, who can actually broker a convention . How do you have a brokered convention with no brokers . Who are they . Well, ill tell you, very few. Maybe you are. Well, look, furthermore, there hasnt been a successful one yet. I went back and looked at the 1820s with the antimason
convention and i looked at nine or ten open or brokered or contested conventions. And not a single candidate emerging out of those conventions ever won a general election. Here we have two guys, as comedians would say, whos on first . So both ted and donald trump have to stop this thing. When people are laughing with you, thats good. When theyre laughing at you, thats not good. And so they better get this thing figured out and we better get into a convention and figure out also how to heal the wounds that theyre getting deeper the more personal this thing gets. When it gets to your families, it gets very dirty. Heres a bit of the backandforth over the last 36 hours. Just 36 hours. Hes been hiding in trump tower. Late at night he sends tweets attacking my wife, attacking heidi. It is inappropriate and disgusting. This is garbage. Tabloid smear. And it came from donald trump
and his henchmen. I had nothing to do with the National National enquirer. I just saw it yesterday for the first time. Its likely he should blame me because hes losing by a lot. This has turned into an absurd race to the bottom. This is the campaign that trump wants. Chaos, unpredictability, unseriousness. Ask yourself which one of the three remaining candidates will prosper. At least not be damaged by that focus. The answer is obvious. Hallie, it seems to me the according to chris thinking, trump does well on a muddy track. When things get rough and tumble and people get personal and go after each others spouses, he always comes out better. Because look at whats not being talked about, chris. A few days removed, a week removed from a terror attack overseas. There was a shooting at the capital today. There are events happening here
in the u. S. And around the world that the conversation has simply moved beyond because of donald trump. Largely continuing to bring this up when had eis in the public eye, hes continuing to be asked about it as well. This is a point ted cruz made today. Talked about the idea should donald trump apologize to ted cruz, should ted cruz apologize to donald trump. I asked the senator about this, and he looked around and he said, who cares. Who cares if donald trump is sitting up late at night tweeting. Who cares if the American People deserve better this, we need to move on. It allows cruz to look like hes taking the high road here, and allows him to do what he and his Campaign Want to do in wisconsin, which is pivot away from attacks on donald trump and instead talk more about two things, jobs, and national security. Much more so than weve seen from ted cruz over the last couple of months. Hes taking what you could call a more pop i list tone. Talking about workers and
economic security and Foreign Policy as it relates to keeping the u. S. Safe. Which is something hes talked about before, but its clearly field designed for him to appeal to the wisconsin conservatives as opposed to the utah conservatives or iowa conservatives, places hes been successful in the past. I dont buy the fact that cruz says trump attacked my two children and family. Why does cruz talk about the two kids . Nobodys talking about his kids. Why did he bring it up . Theres no way its in there. I think hes trying to draw this idea of family. His family under fire. I think theres perhaps an idea that people can relate to that, right . People who have families, who have spouses can relate to their spouses coming under attack. Al, what do you make of that . I guess you can go way back to the late 19th century, they talk about candidates, fathering illegitimate children, wheres my ma and wheres my pa, that kind of stuff. Weve had dirty campaigns of this nature, but not recently. This is the sideabout isides of spouses. This is so high school. This is pretty rough stuff. Well, look, weve started appealing to our lower instincts in some of these primary commentaries. Its only gone downhill since. At least in the early days you had duels. And that kept most people from stepping out of line. Nowadays, its just a backandforth. But look, if they dont get this resolved soon and we move forward, with kind of the serious talk that she was just talking about, i think our partys wasting a golden opportunity. Look, the turnout numbers are great. I think that frontrunner for the democrats is in a weakened position. But with ekeep stepping on it. And every day i wake up and say how much worse can it get. And we figure out a way to make it worse. Im hoping to wake up one
morning and get all this behind us and Start Talking about real issues so we can fan some momentum. But its getting short. Donald trumps transparent views are coming under dispute. Eugene robin so wrote, it appears he knows next to nothing about the issues that would confront him in the job. Here he is answering a question, donald trump, about isis. Here he is. If you could substantially reduce the resk of harm to ground troops, would you use a battlefield Nuclear Weapon to take out isis . I dont want to start the process of nuclear. One thing everybody has said, im a counterpuncher. Rubio hit me, bush hit me. When i said low energy, low energy individual, he hit me first. By the way, its been 18 million worth of negative ads on me. This is about isis. Can i ask you one thing . This is a good looking group of
people. Can i go around so i know who the hell im talking to . Donald trump sat down for an interview with the New York Times last week. He would cancel defense treaties with japan and south korea, against north korea. He doesnt mind, had ewould be okay if japan and south korea go nuclear. American policy for decades, since world war ii, has been trying to keep nukes out of that arena. He would stop importing oil from saudi arabia, if they dont pay to more for their defense. We need oil. We are not energy independent. We rely on oil, still. For our daily needs. Sure. He is completely all over the lot on iran. He believes he complained iran isnt buying our planes. It had to be pointed out iran is still under sanctions and cannot buy american planes. He is completely uneducated
about any part of the world. You know, Hallie Jackson, normally when a candidate starts talking about Nuclear Weapons, the opponent jumps on him. Because with eamericans, or nobody in the world likes their leaders to talk about the use of Nuclear Weapons of the you just say no comment. Its not something you talk about. Its astounding to me that trump has discussed, even though it was poked into it by reporters who want to have him do this, usually know what the reporters are up to, andave some fun. Im not talking about Nuclear Weapons in south korea or japan or hes accepted that bait of the reporters. Why isnt the guy youre covering jumping on him . Well, two points to make on this topic, chris, when it comes to the question that youre asking. Number one is what his rivals are doing. You spoke to governor kasich. He was out campaigning in wisconsin today. This is the area where kasich and ted cruz both see weakness for donald trump. And they see a real
vulnerability because of the clip you just played. When you talk to these people out at trump events, including at rival events, you still find truch supporters. For example, a cruz event today, we spoke with a woman who talked about donald trump. Its about how he comes across and what he seems to stand for as has been cited for us. For them, they dont mind hes talking about the japanesesouth korean treaties with the united states. They like how hes communicating his message and that is what resonates to them. Its been resonating to them. And it hasnt changed so far, chris. Yeah. Chris, america cant survive a donald trump domestic policy. But on Foreign Policy, i dont want to take that risk. You just evidenced it. You and i remember the fact that when castro and khrushchev had those intermediate range
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injured. Now back to hardball. Right now, we have a lot of momentum. Were focusing on wisconsin, new york state. We have a path to victory. We are going to win this nomination process. Welcome back to hardball. That was, of course, senator Bernie Sanders after his big weekend sweeping the states of washington, hawaii and alaska. Today his Senior Adviser, tad devine, characterized Hillary Clinton as a weak frontrunner. David plouf said sanders doesnt have a chance at winning the nomination. Today, with data advancements and especially in races with clear demographic trends, there are fewer surprises. Its easier to predict which delegate allocation will end as a result. Casey, youre out front here. It appears brerernie sanders, t theyve got a second wind here. Theyre going for the kill. They want to beat Hillary Clinton. Take the nomination away, not just get on the platform or win the argument on student loan payments, but beat her. If they want to beat her, they would be up on the air with all the kinds of ads that were run against Hillary Clinton. Or that barack obama leveled at her in 2008. There is there are no shortage of ways to go after Hillary Clinton. The reality is whos talking about sharpening their knives . There are people talking about sharpening the knives, but theyre still saying, its going to be about policy. I will believe it youre such a veteran. If its about policy, theyre not serious. He has not named her in a single negative ad. Because he wont go after email or benghazi that republicans do. He said he wouldnt. And part of the Bernie Sanders mystique, the Bernie Sanders thing is that hes not a regular politician. He said he wouldnt do negative advertising. But he still but that makes the point of the he should be going all out in the way had eknows he has to, which is clinton. They just had a string of victories, caucuses, who knows. But theyre on a winning streak right now. Why wouldnt they lets talk turkey. He wins wisconsin on april 5th to get in the game again. He has to win april 5th. I think thats right. He wants to win in new york. Look at this. This weekend, sanders called on secretary clinton to debate him in new york before the primary on the 19th. Lets watch. I would hope very much that
as we go into new york state, secretary clintons home state, that we will have a debate, new york city upstate, whatever, on the important issues facing are you worried she wont debate you anymore . Yeah, i do have a little bit of concern about that. But i certainly would like to see a debate in new york state. That was a great question by john. He waste quite ready for the tactical question. Just the big philosophical thing. One of clintons top advisers responded today there wouldnt be another debate. Listen to this, unless sanders tone changed. This is like a nun talking. Youve got to change your tone for us to have a proper debate. Theres no risk. Shes done very well in the debates. But senator sanders doesnt get to decide when withe debate. Lets see if he goes back to the tone he set early on. If he does that, well talk about debates. No chance of a new york
debate . I didnt say that. Well see what kind of tone he sets. Tone . Tone . Politics is supposed to have a somewhat rough tone to it. He said unless you clean up your act and get more nice to us, were not going to have a debate with you. Joel, whom i love, if he thinks bnie sanders is running a negative campaign from Hillary Clinton, what does he expect from donald trump . Is this a fake foul . It seems to me if they cant take the kind of punches leveled at her, what whats joe up to . Hes trying to back bernie off. He wants to make sure that bernie doesnt run a more vick rouse campaign. Its a highhanded tone. Hillary clinton to get a debate she wanted a few weeks ago, a month ago, agreed to the two extra debates. She never wanted a debate in new york. The debate in new york was always a sticking point. When they were in the protracted
negotiations, the one thing the Sanders Campaign was focused on is location and time. Why does location matter . Because theres going to be a primary in new york. She wanted a debate in flint, michigan, but so he wanted it beningson also on that same call said sanders was going to campaign as a brooklynite in new york, and Hillary Clinton was going to campaign as the senator who once represented the entire state. Well, from new york, from new york. She switches into a brooklyn accent, he said, when i was a boy in book lynn. Is there going to be a debate in new york . The jury is still out on that. Where does Bernie Sanders think he can win now . Wisconsin . He thinks he can win wisconsin. New york, they are more confident about new york than you might think. They think that their numbers look better there than in some
other states that they were further behind and eventually won. Thats also a wild card. Theyre also looking at pennsylvania. If he has any hope of exactly. You guys are so smart. You see beyond all this b. S. I think pennsylvania is for hillary. The clintons have always been popular in pennsylvania. Working class white voerters in pennsylvania . Thats too cute. Casey hunt, thank you, gene robinson. Well see. Shes from scranton, remember. These two democrats could face the billionaire from new york, donald trump. Ill sit down with trump in an exclusive town hall wednesday night in green bay, the home of the packers. Wisconsin. 8 00 p. M. Eastern here on msnbc. The round table is coming here next for next on this republican race. Some say free the whales. For them, nothing else is acceptable. But nothing could be worse for the whales. Most of the orcas at seaworld were born here. Sending them into the wild wouldnt be noble. It could be fatal. When they freed keiko, the killer whale of movie fame, the effort was a failure and he perished. But we also understand that times have changed. Today, people are concerned about the Worlds Largest animals like never before. So we too must change. Thats why the orcas in our care will be the last generation at seaworld. There will be no more breeding. Were also phasing out orca theatrical shows. Theyll continue to receive the highest standard of care available anywhere. And guests can come to see them simply being their majestic selves. Inspiring the next generation of people to love them as you do. This just got interesting. Why pause to take a pill . Or stop to find a bathroom . Cialis for daily use is approved to treat
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by chesting it out with donald trump, i think hes making a mistake. Ultimately that is Donald Trumps turf. If ted cruz is going to win, he has to do it a little differently than that. Neither one of them looks particularly tough, they just seem like terrible people yelling at each other. Like slap fighting. Its terrible. That doesnt sound like a you cant outtrump trump. You saw that with marco rubio. His Campaign Died is when he laid into the gutter politics with donald trump. Could he be stepping on it right now, donald trump . We know from the polling now every time we faced an international crisis, like brussels, we can identify with people, in subways and airports. Thats where we live, too, in this country. These europeans look like they live the life with edo in many ways. Were just as exposed as they are. Trump is benefiting from this. Doesnt he want to get back on this security . Im going to bash them and do
that kind of thing. Thats what he should be doing. Thats where his ultimate appeal is. Having attended trump rallies all over the country, i know in some ways hes regarded as our to trump supporters, hes regarded as our bad guy, our guy who talks threateningly. Hes our guy in a tough fight. I compare him almost like to a kind of pesticide thats banned. Okay . You dont want to use it because you know youre going to inhale a cloud of it, but you really want to get off those pests. Thats donald trump. Thats the nuclear program. Thats a little problem, yes, exactly. Trump, look at this new number, hes 49 , which is a high number theres only three candidates now, compared to cruzs 28 to kasichs 10 . Hes riding high on the security question. He is riding high on the security question, pause theyre not looking for nuanced proposal. They just wanted assurances. Hes playing to their worst fears. He polled well. He knows it. How do they stop the muslims at the gate, by the way . People would say, no, im christian. What would you say . Its not without accident that ted cruz this time tried to be the one to come up with the trumplike proposal. Give me a visual of that. Describe that with words. Describe patrolling neighborhoods. Go to a place where theres large Muslim Population and drive around with the light coming off the roof of the car and pointing into the windows . Are they planning anything in there . That will create an assimilation problem. Sabrinas right, ted cruz did it in order to somehow get to the right of donald trump on this question. With that poll number as strong as it is about the temporary
ban, cruz is looking for some way to get to the right of it. Cruz doesnt have the ability to come off like a tough guy. I dont think donald trump comes out like much of a tough guy, frankly, but he can somewhat mimic it. Ted cruz is like a lawyer in a suit and weird sort of like cadence. I talked to john kasich earlier on the show, as you know, and he had tough language for trump and cruz on the muslim proposals. Lets watch. Heres kasich. Weve got one guy saying we should ban all muslims from coming into america. I have no idea how you would do that. Weve got another guy saying we should be patrolling muslim neighborhoods. If youre going to have attention and be able to protect the country, you cant alienate many of the people that you need to help us to figure out where the radicals are and where they live. If you want to get information on radicalism within the Muslim Community, who do you thinks going to find it out . Chris matthews or somebody whos part of the Muslim Community . Sabrina, it seems to me with 1. 6 billion muslims in the world, many from indonesia, pakistan, not the middle east, europe, all over the world, a lot of them are dealing as victims of isis. Thats who iis is killing. Also, whats important about john kasich is, hes trying what jeb bush it, and even what marco rubio did toward the end of his campaign, but unfor natally for the socalled establishment candidates, thats not what Republican Voters want to hear. John kasich is not going to appeal to the primary voters, only appeal to the general electorate. It says something that the Republican Party has reached a point that its seemed courageous to push back against a proposal to just is there a kind of crude arift me tick in peoples minds that say if we kick 10,000 people out of the country, one might be a troublemaker. But im willing to keep 10,000 people. Just to keep that one the trouble with that is, Everybody Knows about it. So everybody gets that attitude backlash. This edont want us there. Im not applying for a visa. Im not going to school there. Its an elite coded racism. They wont be able to determine whos a muslim or not. Theyre going to say, were going to keep arabs out of the country. There are a lot of christian arabs. But thats what theyre saying. The average trump voter doesnt know dont forget, donald trump began with the immigration issue, by talking about building a wall. He was already there on immigration, if you want to call it racist, you can, or nativist fear, you can, or call it economic fear, you can. He was there on that ground. Then paris happened. Then San Bernardino happened. Suddenly the immigration issue became a security issue. Hes at that intersection in the Republican Party where 80 of the voters want to temporarily
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catching it in the teeth a bit from washington, d. C. Last week he put out this tweet highlighting some cranes over washington and said he hoped it would be a recession in washington because he thought we were rebuild our city based on federal taxpayer dollars, which is not true. The irony is as a private businessman three quarters of a Million Dollars in federal state contracts. Without complaining. Yeah. Hes a bit of a hypocrite there. That doesnt shock me. Sabri sabrina. We spend a will the of time talking about what kind of effect trump could have. A numbers state of current projections were to hold that could turn blue like arizona like georgia and missouri. All of them also have republicans up for reelection. This is big time. This is big time. What would cause this to happen . Theres a number of things. Arizona is a prime example. If democrats can turn out their base this georgia, you would see the same thing. There was a recent poll showing donald trump tied. Okay. I would say some cases the republican or the establishment of the senate like in missouri. We talk about california. Look to new york on april 19th. Thats where donald trump is hoping to make his slam dunk statement. Hes got clout there. Hes got real friends there. Hes leaning with his money and conducts on every republican in the state. Hes running by the new york
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