Masters in politics podcast. Bob shrum. Absolutely humongous night four, count them, four president ial candidates, here on msnbc. Thanks for watching. We are americans before we are republicans, or democrats. We are americans. John kasich is as determined as ever. Im going to compete across the country, and tell people who i am, and let the chips fall where they may. Can he unite a divided party . I have a record of accomplishment, a record of bringing people together, and im the one that can get the crossover votes. I will not take the lone road to the highest office in the land. I will not do it. And do more than just stay in the race. No one is going to that convention with enough delegates. Im beating hillary by 11 points. Im the only one that can win in the fall. They told me it cannot be done and i said you watch me. This is an msnbc exclusive with governor john kasich, from saint Helen Catholic church. Here now, chuck todd. Well, good evening, and welcome to another msnbc town hall, this one with Ohio Governor, john kasich. Were in queens, new york. St. Helen catholic church. Not far from where donald trump grew up. Governor kasich is playing the long game, looking toward a floor fight at the convention in his home state, which just happens to also be in cleveland. But there are a lot of contests to get through. First, weve got a few more months before the july convention. New york votes in less than three weeks. It matters. The new york primary. And the next big primary is even sooner. Its wisconsin. This coming tuesday. So lets get started, and welcome, governor john kasich, republican from ohio. Welcome to queens. You know youre in Donald Trumps home bureau . I didnt know that. If i had known that, i would have studied it. I know im going to get good pizza when this is over. Thats what i know. Thats more important. Thats the pandering we want to hear. You dont use a knife and fork for your pizza, fold it and eat it like a new yorker, right . Well, come on, chuck. I grew up in the keys rock. We didnt have silverware. Lets start with a question that actually is almost the most common one i get and i bet you get it too. What the heck is happening in
the Republican Party . Well, look, a lot of these people that are here today, they think the system is ripping them off. I mean, theyre worried about hear jobs, chuck. Theyre worried about getting a wage increase. They put their money in the bank, and remember, we used to get interest. Now they dont give you anything. Theyre worried about their kids. Weve got a lot of kids here im told. We want a good america and theyre worked up about it. On top of it, politicians that promise things they could never deliver. The talk show hosts, they drive this as well, and people are stirred up. Whats the organizing principle of the Republican Party now . I thought i knew what it was, low taxes, small government, Strong National defense. It doesnt feel like the organizing principle right now that we are a seeing in the party. Well, youre seeing it out of me. I have a right to lead the party and define it as much as anybody else. Here is what i believe. You havent responded to it
yet. When they know me they do, absolutely. Heres the thing. I think its really a couple of things. First of all, its all about jobs. I mean, the only thing that matters, the three things that matters is jobs, jobs, jobs. Once we have economic growth, once we have jobs, then we cant leave anybody behind. The mentally ill, the drug a d addicted, everybody has to have a sense that they can rise. There is one other thing i think is really important. Especially being in a place like queens. I mean, i dont know queens that well, but i can sit here for two seconds and look in your eyes, the spirit of our country doesnt rest in washington. The spirit of our country rests in your neighborhood. You, look, i mean, i dont know as much as i would like to about what happened here during the flood. My understanding is this church served as a beacon for people who lost. Part of it was flooded as well. I know. There was ten feet of water here
according to the father that runs the school. But everybody pulled together, right. Shoulder to the wheel. We were all connected. Thats what needs to be reborn in america again. We dont need to wait for a politician to fix our problems. The politicians ought to do their job, provide economic growth, protect us from these crazy people that want to kill us. But then our schools, the poverty programs, the programs that affect people who are lonely, were the ones that have to heal that, right where we live. We need to give people the confidence to know that they need to change the world in which they live, chuck. I mean, you know, were all look, its, you know, easter season still. I believe the lord has given us all certain gifts, and i think we need to use those gifts to live a live bigger than ourselves. Thats what i think is important. The bigwigs taking care of their job, and then in the neighborhoods, revitalizing and
rereenergizing the country. Its been defined by a sentiment, a culture, however you want to describe it, the issue with this Campaign Manager and the charges that were filed, ted cruz called it blamed trump himself and says he is creating an abusive culture in the campaign. You were critical too, saying would you have suspended mr. Lewandowski. I heard there was a video. I would have gotten rid of him, period. Do you blame trump for the culture at these rallies . Here is what i know, chuck. Ive done more than 200 town hall meetings. I can walk into a room and tell people about how were going to solve problems, recognize the frustration, but tell you how we can work our way out of it. Ive done it all of my career. Or i can walk foo a room and just depresented ros people and bitter. Its your choice as a leader. I choose to give people hope. I think in some cases, he has fed on he has driven people further into gloom and doom. I dont think thats what a good leader does. And you know, this whole thing that we always lose, i think were doing pretty well in america. I mean, yeah, we have our problems. But look how much longer people live. Look at the improvements in education. Look at the improvements in transportation, and so many things. You think america is already great . I think america is great. I think we have our challenges and problems, clearly, brought by politicians that havent done their job, and with some people in the Business World who have been greedy. I mean, there is a lot of things that are floating around out there, but does anybody deny the greatness of our country. Where would you like to live if you didnt live here. This is a great place. The key, though, is to vinconvi the people here, if they can liver a life better than themselves, i can get the jobs going and take care of the national security, were going to be fantastic and our kids are
going to have a great life. What are we thinking about here . You shall we say have evolved when it comes to donald trump. The one piece of tape i have, i want to play a compilation what youve said about mr. Trump and the potential of you supporting him. Why are you comfortable supporting him. Because weve got a long way to go to the nomination. I dont believe hell be the nominee. If he ends up as the nominee, sometimes he makes it hard, but you know, i will support whoever is the republican nominee for president. Well, its tough. I mean, but he is not going to be the nominee. Well look at it every single day and see what happens. We have a long way to go. I dont want project hell be the nominee. If he is, i review it everyday. I was going to say, it sounds more hesitant everyday. I said what i said, chuck and im done talking about the subject. This is getting very boring. Guess what, i was right. Sunday, you said one thing, 48
hours later, you called his Foreign Policy ridiculous, his rhetoric, i cant imagine you ever supporting someone you thought was incindiary or ridiculous. Im a republican. Were all in arena. There is only three of us left. But anybody who got in the arena, i mean, its no the easy running for president. I can tell you. Its great. I mean, my dad was a mailman, im sitting here with chuck todd in queens, its fantastic, okay. But, but, i mean trump is in the arena with me, and sometimes it is a roller coaster the way i see him. Sometimes he calms down, the last debate, he was very calm, and then these crazy things start happening. Its not just him, he says we should patrol muslim neighborhoods. It pulls the country apart. I was thinking about this today driving over here. So i have two 16yearold twin daughters, whenever i say who,
if you happen to be the nominee, i would have to tell them why i would endorse him if i did. So i have my two daughters you dont know what to tell them. I dont know what im going do yet. Honestly, i dont think he will be the nominee. Ill tell you why. Nobody will have enough delegates when we get to the convention. People will think about two things. Who can win in the fall, which he and cruz cant. And secondly, who can be a good president. Thats a crazy thing to think about. Who can run the country. You can laugh. The fact that you said you dont know what to tell your daughters yet, do you think he is sexist . Look, im not going there. Do you think im not going there. Why did you say two daughters. Because if they were my two sons. I have daughters, okay. Because a lot of people believe [ applause ] chuck, were not in a
psychologists office here. Ive said what i have to say. You figure. They pay you all this money to figure this out. All i want to do is a politician want please to read between the lines. All i want to tell people is how we can get it fixed. A lot of people say why do you always talk about your record. Ill tell you why. In this day, if a politicians lips are moving, we assume theyre lying. If i can tell you what i have done in various places, and tell you what i can do, instead of hey, im going to give you a 10 flat tax, all this and other things, i can tell you what i think can be accomplished. You just brought up what ted cruz said about patrolling muslim neighborhoods, and as you know, bill bratton, he criticized what cruz said. Cruz has argued, he thought it was a mistake that the nypd stop
surveilling muslims. He is a policing expert . Bratton said it was short sided capitlation of the people of new york. Who do you side with . Im a bratton fan. Bill bratton started in boston. He had a hard time in boston. They kicked him around and he came up with this policing business. He did he graduated from boston. He did great there. He came to new york, and he was giulianis commissioner. Then he then he goes to los angeles. He is out there dealing with the gangs. When i was first governor, i called him. He didnt know me. I said sir, ive been elected governor of ohio. Who would be the best person to run my prison system, because youre the best in policing. He said well we dont have anybody great. We do now, my guy, gary moore. But bratton is a smart guy. I believe him. These people can get it. I have no question about it. If i want to find out about radicalization in the muslim community, i dont send you. As smart a guy as you are, you arent going to be able to figure it out. I have to go talk to somebody who goes to the mosque. If i try to send you there, you would be three blocks away, here comes that guy from television, okay. It wouldnt work. We have the entire civilized world fighting against a small group of murderers. Our key, the key for america and the president is to unite the civilized world, to get over the egos, turf protection and fight this, and stop it now, both killing isis in the middle east and then the good intelligence
that we need and the policing that we need worldwide, so auto we can be safe. If youre going to polarize one group, am i right or wrong about that folks . I mean, i dont think there is any other way to do it. Speaking of these folks, lets go to some questions. One other thing about this. And then i want to get to their questions. Doubling down, the easiest people to attack are the muslims, right, attack them. I mean, then i can be popular. Thats not what a leader does. Sometimes a leader has to say hey, folks, lets calm down, lets be smart about this. Because its our families, neighborhood, and civilization thats at stake. I am free. People say what does that mean . Im having the time of my life. I get to say what i really believe, based on all the experience ive had throughout my lifetime, to be a good leader. So if i dont get your vote, i want it, but if i dont get it, thats cool. Because you dont want me telling you something that isnt true, so i get your vote. Then suck you into the process and then when i dont deliver, you get bitter. Im not going do that. Its hard. But thats the only way i can see to be a publish official. Lets answer questions from them and not me. Edmond sullivan has the first question. Where is mr. Sullivan here . Right here. Sorry. We want to make it so you dont have that. Retired new york city firefighter. Welcome, governor. Slices of pizza on your way out. I am a retired new york city firefighter, and i firmly believe elected officials have ignored new york city for decades, unless for a tragedy or political fundraiser, for example, we are a political football as we were for sandy. Two issues that should have been a no brainer. Why should we believe you have our best interest and not simply cl
clamorri clamorring votes. Were all connected. You know, we are all, if things happen, when sandy happened here, and people lost their homes, or when we see a Police Officer that gets, you know, assassinated, we all die a little bit. You know, we all lose a little something. You know, not only here. But even around the world, when we see people get blown up on easter sunday, we all die a little, dont we. When a fireman goes into a building and loses their life, we all look at it. We all die a little bit. So we can all die a little bit, but we can all rise a little bit, sir. And there is no way that i love new york. This is incredible place. Just coming here, its like, you know, its like, its like having a transfusion into life, when you come here. This is a precious place, a precious city. Frankly, the apple of the world,
not just of the United States. But thats the way i feel, not just in a big town, but small towns as well. I mean, this is america. And we are strongest when we pull together. I think heard the little sound bite, we should be americans before were republicans and democrats. Absolutely. And we cant have a system were driving people. You know, i am a democratic and i hate you, im a republican and i think youre nuts. Look, i am a conservative, but i dont have to dislike the people that dont agree with me. And so when you talk about new york or any where else, its got to always be in the minds of a leader of this country, but you know who its most important that it is in the minds of, you. As a fireman. As a policeman, as a teacher, as a nurse. I mean, again, i want to go back. The strength of our country rests in the neighborhoods, and we cant ignore neighborhoods when theyre in distress. Let me ask you, though. The Republican Party scapegoats new york city every once in a while they want to make a point. Who did that . Ted cruz talked about new york values. Who else did it . You have lot of people, when they run and theyre small conservative towns. I love that song by riana. When you hear the phrase new york values, is that a positive or negative. For me, i love it. I cant keep my wife from coming here all the time. Shell come and campaign here. I say sweetie, will you come to new york. You wont be able to get rid of her. For me, its an exciting place. I mean, think of the arts and the all the things, the literature. Its great. Im not pandering either so is columbus, ohio. Come. You know where you really want to come this summer. You want to go to cleveland. Apparently a lot of people want to go to cleveland. Im going to sneak in a quick commercial break on that note. Well be right back. Hey, need fast heartburn relief . Try cool mint zantac. It releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. Zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. Nexium can take 24 hours. Try cool mint zantac. No pill relieves heartburn faster. A 401 k is the most sound way to go. Lets talk asset allocation. Sure. You seem knowledgeable, professional. Would you trust me as your Financial Advisor . I would. I would indeed. Well, lets be clear here. Im actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way i have no Financial Experience at all. That really is you . If theyre not a cfp pro, you just dont know. Find a certified Financial Planner professional whos thoroughly vetted at letsmakeaplan. Org. Cfp work with the highest standard. This just got interesting. So why pause to take a pill . And why stop to find a bathroom . Cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be Ready Anytime the moment is right. Plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. Side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. To avoid longterm injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. If you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any symptoms of an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. Ask your doctor about cialis for daily use. Insurance coverage has expanded nationally and you may now be covered. Contact your health plan for the latest information. And you may now be covered. May not always be clear. But at t. Rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. So wherever your
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drug addicted with an 80 success rate. Were funding more money into k through 12 education, create vocational education, more school choice. I can go on and on. Giving everybody a chance. The key to the future, economically oh common sense regulations, so were not killing small business. If you overregulate them, you kill them. Thats where you need to work. Number two, you have to lower taxes for individuals and businesses and number three, youve got to have a plan to balance the budget. You cant do it by visiting the waste, fraud and abuse office, because there is no such place. What that will do is allow us to grow again and leave no one behind and to unite us. Thats what ive been all of my lifetime. Being able even though i dont agree with the liberals, i get along with them and being able to bring us together to remind us that were all americans, and finally, i spent 18 years on the Armed Services committee. So i actual will he have Foreign Policy experience and the knowledge of how to defeat isis, how to bring the world together. How to unite people, not divide the world. So here is the problem. You send somebody down there that doesnt understand how it works, then youre going to have more drifting, and the only thing i can tell you is we wont drift if im there. My dad carried mail on his back, his father dad of black lung, my mothers mother could barely speak english. All of my lifetime, ive been a rememb reformer all of my life. I upset the apple cart all the time. I dont hate the establishment, but i know how to move the establishment for the good of the folks. I cant do any better than that. Other than i think the more youll get to know me, the more you will like me. Thank you so much. Good luck to you. Before you go, are you still on the train . Im sorry . Are you still on the trump train . I am on the trump train, but i do like a lot of your views, and i do like the way you would
run the system. Im going to tell you, and chuck has been fair to me. I receive no attention for months and months, for do you like rocky, the under dog. Do you know, ive been ignored for about five months. You know why . Because i wouldnt name call. Everybody pronounced me dead all the time. Were the little engine. We keep climbing. Our challenge now is for people to really get to know who i am. Now theyre beginning to know i exist. But they need to hear more about who i am before they can decide. Thats thats why things like this are so important. Because what i love about this, its not sound bites, not wrestling in the mud. You get to listen to me, look in my head and heart and you get to decide who will fight for you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. You had an interesting profile, you probably saw it, that some of your old friends in congress, they dont recognize
soft and cuddly, they remember scolding confrontations. Thats what i remember. You were the maverick. I still have the maverick. Incorrect sometimes, the blunt talker. But you have been the prince of light, is this by comparison or have you moderated yourself demed demeaner wise. If you want to get in a fight, lets get it on. I fought for ten years to balance the budget. I couldnt get my own party to support it. Now, what am i supposed to do . Just smile. I had to fight for what i believed in. And guess what . I got it. I won. Some of them are very bitter about the fact that i got this budget balanced. You know what theyre really bitter about. I left washington. We had a 5 trillion sure police, and guess what, the republicans controlled the senate, white house, and they spent it all. There is no difference. Democrats love to spend, republicans feel guilty. The point is, the point is,
chuck, im going to fight. Im in a big battle with the legislature of tax and the fracking industry. Republican legislation. Yeah, i am going to push as hard as i can respectfully. But im going to push. Because if we dont push, we get nowhere. You know, if you go to washington, this guy is running for congress, mr. Oreilly over here. You owe me now. Thats what i was going to say. Youre mouse, youll get nothing. If you want a friend in washington, buy a dog okay. Ive got a lot of my old pals. The guy has been living out on the campaign for me. Lets go to. Thank you for coming to howard beach. My question is what plan do you have to keep new york city safe and america from preventing another terrorist attack. Very quickly, we should have a coalition of the arab muslims
who supported us in the first gulf war, along with the europeans, we need to go to the middle east, destroy isis on the air and on the ground. Destroy them. When it settles down, come home. Let them figure it out. We need to take this nato organization. Chuck and i talked about it on sunday, which he gave me a lot of time to talk about it. A fundamentally military organization, it needs to be transformed into a policing organization, and the president of the United States needs to make it clear that were going to Work Together to make sure we know where the bad guys are so we can disrupt them and im pris prison them. This is made of fbi, homeland security, Law Enforcement they have the resources, i would get it to them, and the tools which is why im glad to say the encryption issue seems to be behind us, and here is another
thing, you as neighbors, you see something crazy, youve got to tell somebody. San bernardino, the neighbor knew, they didnt say anything. But the point is, we need to be able to tell people what we see and that is why bratton is saying policing the neighborhoods is not a longterm solution. The solution is all of us who believe in peace, and civilization and the lives of our children need to be together. You said quickly about you know, get in, destroy isis and let them work it out. You dont think american be theyre going to redraw the map. Dont have to get involved. But you are in favor of regime change in north korea. Is it because of the Nuclear Issue . Yes, im in favor of it . How do you do it . A lot of people have asked that question. You look for all the means. First of all, what would i would rather do it prevent nem from
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we are back. Welcome to queens, new york, howard beach neighborhood. Town hall with governor kasich. This is sherry marie. Thank you todd. I believe youre running for
office. State Committee Woman of the 9th assembly. Thank you so much for coming here to queens county. For me, governor kasich, your narrative for president mirrors that of lincoln. My question to you is as president of the United States. Thats not bad. Thats pretty good. As president of the United States, what specifically would you do to build trust and what specifically would you do to reform social and economic injustices in africanamerican communities across the country . Well, you know, one of the things that happened, it was really great, nina turner, a democratic, former state senator, may some day be mayor, she came to me with a couple of other ladies, africanamericans, saying we have a problem. We need a commission. I said, well, you know, some sort of a study, i said nina, were not going to do that. Were going to move quicker. We created a task force on community and police. What we did is we staffed this
with community leaders, Law Enforcement people, she is one of the cochairpersons along with our head of public safety, who used to run the highway patrol. They sat down for a period of time, and tried to figure out how we could bring police and community together. What does that mean . The community can understand the police. The challenges they have. Their family doesnt want them to be killed, and taken out here when theyre on duty or even off duty. Secondly, that there are people in the community that feel that the country doesnt just work for them, but works against them. Two days into the baltimore riot, it was amazing, they released a report. The report created a statewide policy on the use of deadly force. Secondly, not only that, but now a whole policy on recruiting, and hiring, so that the community, the police force looks like the community, in addition to that now were moving now to ways in we can fully integrate police and community so that trust can exist in both communities, and
then finally, we also have a grand jury study going on by our chief justice. Look, point is, just a couple of more quick things, chuck. We did criminal justice reform. We give people a chance to get out of the prisons if in fact theyre nonviolent felons. The rate is about, almost less than half the national average. We give nonviolent felons a chance to wipe the record clean and to be able to get employment, because many of them cannot. And im a person, look, if you are a gang banker, banger, you getting out. Were going to lock you up for 1,000 years. If you want a better life, were going to give you a chance. We dont want to just throw the nonviolent into prison. Its going to keep repeating itself. I do believe that people can have a second chance. Very quickly, more than just criminal justice reform, you have reached out to the
africanamerican community, but ohio, the rank, the sixth worst place to raise a black child in, medium income, cleveland, one of the most segregated cities in the country. You dont believe them . Im not sure i do believe them. Everyone halss a political angl when they do stats. You know why i received the africanamerican vote. We trust him. I dont know what all these are, but im going to give you a great one. Were building a road from downtown cleveland from the cleveland clinic, and eve 20 construction is going to be done by minorities. In addition to that First Administration that actually enforces the set aside where the black community has a chance to receive, you know, 15 of all of the contracts that go on. And they can get even more than that. But look, weve reformed the cleveland public schools. I did it with the entire community. Look, i will tell you that the urban challenges we have are real. Right. But you got to have a glowing economy, improve the schools and were doing all of that. I dont know about all that study. I will tell you this. The infant mortality is a tough one. Weve taken it on and one of the toughest areas to take on is in the minority community. Theyre going to have to a Better Partnership of infant mortality in the minority community, because were making gains in the majority community. We dont ignore this, chuck. These are serious issues. I dont put my head in the sand, if i get people upset doing it, thats tough. Welcome, governor. Average middle class income has been stagnant for nearly four decades now. The average middle class making
60,000 in 1980 can expect to make 72,000 today. All this while wealthy corporations are growing at an amazing rate. Due to tax breaks, lacks corporate laws, an increase in hand outs and all at the expense of us, the middle class. What do you think you can do to fix this . You or any other candidate what would you put in place, day one . Well, our wages in ohio are growing faster than the national average. Thats because weve difficugot lower the Corporate Tax rate. Its one of the highest. And secondly, if you pay your taxes in europe, you get double taxed when you bring your money here. Thats got to stop. We want businesses investing here in the United States, not in europe, because they feel their money is trapped over there. But in addition to that, sir, there isnt any question. When we have the zero interest
rate, you put your money in the bank, you got nothing. The wealthy people, you know, companies did, they bought back stock, they raised the price of their of the stock. The rich people bought it. They got richer, you got stuck. It was a bad policy over time. Now, you want to get out of this mess. You have to get skills. Our schools have got to be transformed into schools that take give people training for what their purpose is, connect it to a job that really exists thats real. Weve got to get with it. I think sometimes k through 12 is still training for jobs of the past. We need to train for jobs of the future. Not only that, an opportunity to get out and work as part of the Education Credits you get. Not only through k through 12, but the Community College and the four year school. Finally, when you go to the Community College or the four year school, you ought to have a guide that says what do you want to be, i will tell you the jobs that are available, this is what it pays, and this what you have to do to get one. There is no question that the issue of the struggling middle
class is real. And we have to address it. We have to work on it. Ill tell you another thing. A faster economy, this economy is growing terribly. A faster economy will lift all votes, it will. Give companies an incentive to invest so you have the tools to become more productive so you get better wages. This is not just some kasich theory here. I have seen these things happen. Remember, i mentioned, when we balanced the budget in our state. Up over 400,000 jobs, wages growing faster. Were not out of the wood, but doing better because were business friendly. We dont give away the store. We want people to create jobs. Because thats what matters in our country. All right. Thanks very much for the question. Weve got to sneak in another break. Were here in kwens. Governor john kasich. The town hall. Well be right back. Everhas a number. Olicy but not every Insurance Company understands the life behind it. For those whove served and the families that have supported them, we offer our best service in return. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. Get an insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. Wont keep you up at night. N know you have insights
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and we are back here. Where at john kasich town hall, queens, new york, the howard beach neighborhood. Welcome, governor, to queens. Come to rockway to the beach. How much time do you think ill be spending at the beach . I hope you do have too much time. If he does, thats bad news for him. Thats right. Many people in this room are victims or survivors of hurricane sandy, and our neighborhoo neighborhoods, our homes were destroyed, were coming back, but its widely talked about that the National FloodInsurance Program, the premiums are going to skyrocket. What would you do as pressman aging the National FloodInsurance Program . Look, i havent really studied all this. Two ways to look at it. If you live in an area thats
guaranteed to be a flood, youve got have flood insurance. A natural disaster, then the government has an obligation in my opinion to help people to whatever degree thats going to be reasonable and get them on their feet again. We have natural disasters in my state, of course, we do. And i think we have to be there. We have to help people. And look, here in this, in howard beach, your people that play by the rules. I mean, you go to work, god fearing people, youve got common sense and then you get wiped out. In that case, weve got to help you. In terms of flood insurance, youve got to look at it in two ways. Youre probably going to pay more. But you know, in a place like this, where its not to be expected, i think it could be maybe two, you know, two formulas as to how we do it. Ill have to check it out, okay . Are you doing all right . Were doing fine . Are we risking, letting too Much Development to the coastline, where it almost, too much of it and then it makes
it perhaps. And i dont want to just go off the top of my head on this. I mean, you know, one thing, you have to be careful. But clearly, in areas. President ial careful. Its president ial politics. Theres no careful this year. Well, youre right. To some. With me, you know, i want to be a mature leader here. I mean, you just dont pop off. Well, i guess popping off works but not for me. Chuck, i dont know, but i think you have to be careful with this because theres a lot of people that have invested a lot of their money in this. You have to think about it. Have to think about it. Patrick cook, you got the next question. First of all, thank you for coming to new york. Are you from new york . That sounded like you were from maine. No. I am from new york. Id like to personally say i think youre the best candidate, unfortunately the best candidate doesnt always all right. Lets go on to the next guy. [ applause ] dont blow it now. Unfortunately, the best candidate doesnt always get the nomination, so my question is if you werent to receive the nomination, why wouldnt you accept the v. P. Nomination . Because im governor of ohio and its the second best job in america. And secondly, im running for president and im going to finish my job as governor. People find this hard to believe, but, you know, theres also another world out there that is not connected to the government. And i have an obligation to my family and well see, though. You see, i think whats going to happen is, let me tell you, weve had ten republican cont t contestcontes contested conventions. The person who had the most delegates going into the convention only won three times. Seven times they picked somebody else. So who goes to a convention . Somebody like you, sir. You could sign up as a delegate for somebody. If they dont get enough of the votes in the first or second ballot, youre free. Then you start thinking, okay, who things, who can beat hillary, right . Who can beat her, and secondly, who could be president . Because then is gets to be serious on your shoulder. See, then it getses to be a serious issue about what you want this country to look like and who can really run it. So thats kind of my view about this. Youd be a good candidate maybe. Do you think that you could do more in the white house than you could as governor of ohio . As Vice President . No, as Vice President sitting in the west wing i would the worst Vice President anybody ever had, okay . Trust me. How have you been able to govern ohio while campaigning full time . Theres these things, chuck, its really amazing, theyre called cell phones. No, i understand. But, i mean, where has it been difficult, though . Something you cannot do is there initiatives you havent gone after . No, not really. Were, you know, were preparing a whole series of things right now. I meet with my staff when im at home. Im on the phone with them constantly. My number one job is to make sure ohio is taken care of. Running for president is second. I can do them both. One time when i was out of government, i had five job, you know, so its look, the lords been good to me. Hes given me the capacity to do this so two days in february you were in ohio total. Understandable, youre campaigning full time for president. Its tough. Im on the phone constantly. We built a great team of people and every time i look at the things that theyre doing, im like, you folks are so great because theyre creative, theyre innovative, and im getting ready for a state of the state address, by the way, in mariette, ohio. It comes next week. You should come out and cover it. I have a feeling its going to be a humdinger. I have a feeling we will be. Lets sneak in another break here. More with governor john kasich, republican from ohio, live after this. The msnbc town hall from queens, new york. The pursuit of healthier. 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And we are back in our final moments with governor john kasich. Governor youve made no bones about it, your strategy is to win this at the convention. Your buddy, john boehner, and ohioan said this, if we dont have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, im for none of the above, they all had a chance to win, none of them won. Hes obviously saying, hey, bring more people into the nominating process if it doesnt happen on the first ballot. Do you believe somebody other than somebody that ran for president should be placed in the nomination . It will be up to the delegates but since im one of the three still in, i think it ought to be one of us. No, im just kidding. He won the 36 ballot he wasnt running for president when he got it. An ohioan. I think boehner retracted that since they caught him in a weak moment or something. Look, its going to be a decision about who can win, whos tested and who has the
record, so, you know, i dont know how Somebody Just pops in but, look, well see how it goes. You criticized donald trump for saying that could be riots in cleveland. Youre going to be governor of ohio regardless of your standing at the convention. How concerned are you about the Cleveland Convention . We talk about it. Youre asking how do i take care of ohio and do this . Weve had lot of discussions about this. Meaning you are concerned this is going do be a little extra well be prepared. We work with the secret, the cleveland police, our National Guard maybe to some degree, and the ohio highway patrol. Yeah, look, it wouldnt matter what he said, wed have to be prepared for this, but its not that kind of language is not good. Where are you going to win next . I say this because youve won right. In ohio, your home state and your next best showing, washington, d. C. Well, we were close there. Almost 36 . And look, its about accumulating delegates. Where do you win next . Are you going to win a state before this is over . The minute i start
predicting, im not muhammad ali, im not predicting. What i will tell you, it is accumulating delegates. We feel very good about pennsylvania. We think were going to be aggressively getting support here in new york. And then as we head east, you know, then at that point, frankly, a vote for cruz will be a vote for trump because he cant compete over in these places. Right now in wisconsin and well do well. New poll out has cruz ahead, trump at 40 , youre at 21 . Cruz argued a vote for you is a vote for trump in wisconsin. Do you buy that . Its plenty interesting, the milwaukee sental largest newspaper in wisconsin endorsed me yesterday saying hes a pragmatic conservative that can fix the country and can win in the fall. Chuck, this isnt, as i told you before, its not a parlor game. These other guys cannot beat Hillary Clinton in the fall, so, look, as the calendar moves along and people get to know me more and we do more town halls and all that, were going continue to do well and the calendar is now beginning to favor us. And look, we just have to keep accumulating delegates and gather momentum