Headed to brooklyn. Well see you tomorrow. Until then, we say to you, sayonara. Donald trumps biggest rival is ted cruz. Only one campaign has beaten donald trump over and over again. But john kasich may be trumps biggest problem. Nobody is going to have enough delegates to go to the convention and win on the first ballot. Kasich shouldnt be allowed to continue. The ar the rnc shouldnt allow it. Donald trump has created a toxic environment. Could it give kasich momentum. These people think im going to drop out. Are they nuts . Can be more than a spoiler at the convention. Great leaders dont divide people. They respect the difference that exist in one another. This is an msnbc exclusive
town hall with Governor John Kasich, from the jericho, new york. Here now is chris matthews. Good evening, and welcome to an msnbc exclusive town hall. Please welcome tonight for the full hour, Ohio Governor and republican president ial candidate, john kasich. Thank you. Thank you, governor. Two days ago in new york, with the republican womens club, you talked about fear and anger out there and how certain candidates, you have been exploiting it for their own fame to gain attention. What were you talking about . Who were you talking about . I was talking about trump and cruz primarily. Well, i mean thats what i was
talking about. You werent saying that then, but now youre saying it. Here, look, here is some of the menu theyve offered. Surveillance over neighborhoods. Ban on a religious test. Nuclear weapons in europe and were going to, you know, get rid of nato, let russia kind of run europe, where i mean, and here is the problem. Chris, what bothers me, do we have problems . Yeah. Of course we do. People worried about their jobs, worried they dont have good wages. They dont get interest in the bank. Their kid went to school and still living with them. Cant find a job. I mean, seriously, cant find a job. And now are those a serious problem as the depression . Is the second world war, the attacks 9 11, i dont think so. Theyre serious. But you can either get people
and drive them into a ditch and feed on their anxiety, gnashing of teeth, you know, this person did this to me, or you can walk into a room and you can acknowledge the problems, and you can try to give people an answer. Have a little hope. Tell them they can be solved. They can be fixed. Theyre not even that difficult to fix. Its just people have to remember, theyre americans before republicans and democrats, and we have to fix the country. Thats all. So the fear is real. The anger is real. Why are they all voting 15 million people, if you count up all the votes in the primaries, cruz and trump. Why are they getting the votes . Look, i grew up in a blue collar neighborhood as you know. I understand these fears. Frankly, people think if a politicians lips are moving, theyre lying. And so its been incumbent on
me, people say why does he keep talking about his record. I talk about my record, because i think if you can show you did it a couple of times, you actually fixed things, then you have credibility for doing it the third time. And but i think people have just kind of had it. Here is another thing they say. I hate political correctness. I get that. But we dont want to like get rude. You know, thats not where the country should head. And i tell you, theyve got all the publicity too. Trump, are you kidding me . He was up there all the time. He just caught a wave. I think it was the first debate. I said dont dismiss what this guy says. Its serious. But, but, i think now that people are beginning to hear a little bit of a message that we have, we continued to do better. And they still, here is the way it looks like now on the three man race, coke, pepsi and kasich, okay. Whats selling . Well, youre not supposed to
clap for that. Youre supposed to cry when i say that. The other part of it is now like coke, pepsi, kasich, and youre shopping with your spouse, and youre looking at what youre going to buy, and people are beginning to realize, there is this uncola called kasich, but they still dont know enough about me. And so ive been playing from behind the whole time. Its amazing, im still standing. There were 17 of us and were down to three. Lets talk about were not going to get rid of fear or anger. Its justified. How does john kasich, the third brand, deal with lets talk about a couple of things. Is illegal immigration, mainly from latin america, is that a real problem or not . I think it is. What are you going to do about it . We need to make sure in 86, reagan had a plan. I know. It was never enforced. It wasnt enforced. Weve got to ep force it. Weve got to say you cant walk into the country willynilly. We lock our doors at night. They shouldnt be able to walk into our country. It is an issue it is an issue of law. It is also becoming more a National Security issue. Lets control the border. Then we can have a guest worker program, people come in, work and go back. And for the 11. 5 million here, were not going to yank them out of their homan e and deporting them. Were probably not going to deport 12 million people. There is probably a fellow down there, he hears about a job, i got a job up here in chicago. You get up here, you get a job. Its below the counter, off the books. As long as people hire people illegally in this country, people will come here i will he will illegally. You get here. Thats right. What are we going to do about the businessman . Are we going to put him in jail . Hold him accountable. How do we do that . I tell you what you do, you fine them. You think that is going to stop them . Let me tell you something, Small Businesses, construction industry, service industry, there is not big margins. They work on small margins. And we just have to have a system that says do you like e verify. From what i know about it. Let me tell you this. We pay our taxes, i already paid my last week, okay. Were going to pay our taxes. Why do people pay their taxes. They have a sense if they dont, they might get caught. Theyre honest. Im saying were driving at, what would keep people why would you have compliance. There is a sense i dont want the irs coming after me. People feel they have to pay their taxes. Most employs dont want to hire illegals. You put a consequence. They dont want to hire illegals. Most dont. Come on. They dont . Why do they do it . Msnbc, do you hire illegals . No, im asking you. Im asking. Is that a charge . Is that i a charge . Yeah, its a charge. What is your basis for making that charge. I talked to people, they told me thats whats going on. Lets get back to serious. Most employers wouldnt want to do that. Some do. Compliance, where they know there is a why did your party not pass the reform bill, which had everify in it, a whole good stuff, senators backed it and the House Speaker wouldnt bring it up . Boehner wouldnt even bring it to a vote. Can i answer . Because im not president. Because im not president. If i were president , they would bring it up. If you were speaker would you
have brought it up. Would you bring up votes if most people wanted to vote for it . I would say look, im not speaker, but i was budget chairman. No, i want to know why we cant get stuff done. You know why . Because everybody is polarized. Including your party. So the president does these executive orders, bypasses congress, bad idea. Maybe because he cant get a vote in congress. Can i finish this train of thought . Blame the other party. When in fact, your party wont bring the matters to a vote. You didnt let me finish. I think you did, but go ahead. Here is what i was saying. The president did these things, but then we had a republican, who went to the state of the union, and when the president of the United States was talking, he shouted, you lie, okay. I know. Its on both houses. You know, first of all, i said were americans before republicans and democrats. You know one of my 16yearold
daughter said the other night. We live in the United States of america, not in the divided states of america. The fact is, its leadership, chris. Its leadership. Lets get the sequence right. Im not here to defend obama on this. But he did it after the republican speaker wouldnt bring up a comprehensive immigration bill. So we get this thing behind us. Chris, look, ive got to tell you. For a long time now, they have not been able to communicate. I agree with that what happened . Why did it stop . Im going to tell you a good story that has never been told before. I got a called from boehner. He said i want you come play golf with the president and Vice President. Biden has been out there for two hours practicing, and he is all lathered up and everything. Boehner takes obama, i take biden. After the first hole, i never saw joe. He is in the woods the whole time. See what youre doing here . I love biden, okay. He is a good guy. I dont agree with him, but i
like him. Say this about him, that guy has been through some hell with the loss of his son. I know. With the accident where he lost his wife. And i think a child, i mean, and he has been a great public servant. I dont agree with him, but i like him. So we get done playing, and were supposedly having a soft drink, but we were drinking beer. Lets be clear about it. I looked at john boehner, i said boehner, can you believe it . Youre the speaker of the house. Your dad owned a bar. You had like, i dont know how many brothers and sister, and youre the speaker. Give me a break. I said joe, you, Vice President , are you kidding me . Then i looked at i said, and me, you know, im the governor of ohio. Me . The governor . You, you, mr. President , you. Come on. I said clearly, the lord wanted us to be here. So we better do something while were here. And the president looked at boehner and he said you come down to the white house and well Start Talking about the
budget. Right after that, they started talking. Now, the thing fell apart. I dont know why it fell apart. But there was a moment there where there was a connection. And you know what, chris . You know this from the experience you had where there is a will, there is a way. We have to get people to rise their performance to a level where they want to help america. They want to fix social security, create economic growth. Thats what you do. Youve been very clear in the last two days, especially with the republican womens group about their two paths to the party they could take, one is the dark path and one is your path. It reminded me of robert frost, we all learned that in school. But the problem is, youre taking the road less traveled by. Youre taking a road of openness and negotiation, and most of the voters out there in your party, 15 million i said, 3 million voted for you so far, how do you come out ahead at the convention . How do you get out and become
the nominee between now and july . Im studying how lincoln got there. He was fourth and he got picked, but. I know. I knew lincoln. Gotcha. I almost sold that on ted, but i stopped. I knew reagan. But chris, look. We keep talking about the primary. Now, you win a primary, you lose a general, whats the point . Do you hang a certificate on your wall . Im the only one that consistently beats hillary. Yesterday, did you see the little thing they did, 40,000 people they surveyed and did the electorate college. Hillary beat cruz and trump and i beat her. You know the reason. Look, the reason is, you know, look, the reason, i can appeal to the blue collar workers, and i can appeal to the independents or my team can. And we have a proven record of success of solving problems. I dont want to operate in the negative. Look, you go into claef laev its in your state. Without ohio, it wont happen. Youre obviously the road to that. But you get to the convention, suppose trump doesnt get 1,100, he is nowhere near, he doesnt get the gimme. He is not going to. Okay, thats the first step for you getting the nomination. You get there, and trump makes speeches, which he has already begun to make. It has been fixed or im walking. Third party, we dont know what hell do. Hell blow his stack. Ill say it to you now. Democracy. He got the most votes. Shun shouldnt he be the nominee. Great point. How do you fight democracy. Only one problem with that. We know that to get an a, you immedia need to make a 90. Someone makes an 83, i should get an a. You didnt get to 90. Why do you apply that rule when in every sport we fight in the country, the team who gets the most point wins. The Baseball Team wins. Once you finish the 4 quarter, were not done yet. How do you explain because because every election has been held in this country, they dont say you didnt get 33 million. All you have to get is one more vote than the other guy. You heard of this thing called the electoral college. Yes. I can throw that argument right back oon you. You think you can beat the word democracy. Thats al gores argument. Bush won. I think the democrats are more docile than the people for trump. We lost, were going home. I dont think theyre going to be like that. Look, let me tell you something. There are people who are trump
who are really not for trump, you know that, here in new york, you know. I dont know that. Yeah, you do. What . What is this big conversion . You get to cleveland, all the delegates got there because of trump or cruz, theyre going to Say Something has come over here, kasich. Kasich. Im going to vote for kasich. How is that going to happen . Im going to tell you how its going to happen. First of all, the trump voters are comfortable with me and the more they know me, the more they like me. I grew up more like them than trump did. Thats an argument. No. You havent convinced them. They dont know me yet, chris. When are they going to know you . Its april were getting close. Remember, the coke, pepsi, kasich. People are getting to say, lady came up to me in new york last saturday, i need to take a picture with you. I said why is that. She said well, i was for kasich before it was cool to be for kasich. And thats starting to turn. Now, let me tell you what happens up there. When people become delegates, they assume there is a gravity that sets in. They realize theyre picking someone who can be president and somebody who has to win. Yeah. And i think at the end of the day, when theyre there, they take on a different role, and who are the delegates going to be . A lot of them who work the in the party vineyards for 40 years. And so i think its very possible. Now, it would be up to me to overrule the voters. Were not overruling anybody. Youve got to get the magic number. What are you kidding me. I made my point. You answered the question. You didnt make a very good point. I made a better point. You know im ready to do this. Im letting you do this. Lets go to the first question. Lets go from the audience, the people here. Hi, my name is steve young, welcome to jericho. I am a local resident. Chris matthews has trump, i dont want too say trump, but he has trump, by what i was going to ask, because youre talking a lot about the number of votes. Process. And all of that, and you know, i hate to say it, but a lot of us coke drinkers are not going to switch to the uncola, and thats why coke is so popular. Dont you feel at some point that you have responsibility to voters to be to recognize the fact that theyre not voting for you . I know you keep saying and im listening to you say people jumping on your bandwagon. What if they dont . Are you going to be comfortable going into a convention, it looks like it will be chaotic, a problem. Who told you that . The media. They havent been right about one thing theyve said since the election got going. But any way, look, let me answer the question. Im watching primary results. I will tell you, i was very interested in your campaign from day one, youre not new to this. And it just hasnt resonated. And at some point, i mean, who told you, you know, that all that popular now, when the vote, were looking at the new york polls and your voters really not is where it needs to be at some point, are you going to recognize that, because i do think that there is some responsibility to democracy. Let me tell you what the responsibility is. It is to run for an office and give People Solutions and lift them. The responsibility is not to talk about dividing people, gnashing teeth, turning them against one another. I will not participate in that, okay, sir. Now, now, now, let me tell you this. If i dont win, ill be a gentleman. Im not going to say to my people are going to walk out. Im not going to say any of the things that ive heard said,
either by him or by other people. You see, are its important that people hear the message that they matter. That they have a god given purpose. They need to solve problems in their neighborhoods. Come to the town halless as and what happens there. A message of negativity, i want to give them a message of hope. You know what . Were in new york. There was this guy, he once said one time, it aint over until its over. His name happened to be yogi berra, but thank you. Thank you. I think you made your point. I just want to tell you, i really appreciate the way youre approaching this. However, we also need to look at the vote. So thank you. God bless you. I appreciate you. See you in cleveland. How did you like that . Much more ahead, including questions from the audience here at the town meeting, town hall
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nervous. They dont invest and dont create jobs. Its particularly through small business. It is debt, also higher taxes. Look at connecticut. And also regulations. Three things you need to create jobs. Thats what i did in the state and in washington and thats what ill do again. When create jobs, the mentally ill, they shouldnt be living under a bridge or in prison. The drug addicted, you can have the resources to get them on their feet. Thats a Republican Party that i believe in. One about opportunity, but chris, as my mother used to say about the poor, its a sin not to help somebody who needs help, but equally a sin to continue to help somebody who needs to learn how to help themselves. Thats a good philosophy. Most, i mean, men maybe more interested in politics to talk about it. Men love talking politics. Women more so every year. But more women voters than they
are men. 75 of women voters say they do not trust or like donald trump. Right. Thats pretty unbeliefable. What do you do to you have to work to get that unpopular. He has. He has, yeah. These fights with carly fiori fiorina, megyn kelly. Why would i not be in the race. He has a 75 negative with married women. Are you kidding me . Think of the menu he would present. You cant nobody will order anything off the menu mu. Were not going to just lose the white house, the courthouse, the state house, i mean thats why is he not going to win. But a lot of women may be fiscally conservative like you, may be worried about taxes like you, and theyre conservative, except on the social issues. They are prochoice in many cases, because in the end thats divided, okay. Its divided but a lot of women in this state are
prochoice. Women are straight, im married to my husband, im happy, but the fact that two guys or two women doesnt affect me any, what is your view on the subject . I support traditional marriage. That does that mean . Between a man and a woman. I know that, but let me finish. Exclusively to them. No, i said the court has ruled and were not going pass any laws now. Its in place. See, there is an issue here, though, that i keep wading into, people ask me. Look, chris, we have there is a conflict to some degree between people practicing their deeply held religious beliefs, which they have a right to do, and the acts of discrimination against someone doing something inappropriate. That has to be balanced. What im trying to argue is take a breath. Lets try to understand one another a little better and be more tolerant, because once you write a law, then you keep rewriting the law. Do you tolerate same sex marriage. Yeah. You tolerate it in. I went to one. I know you did. Yeah, i dont think its right. And the wedding that i went to, they know i dont agree with them. What should gay people do if they love each other. What should they do. They should love one another. But not get married . Ive given you the answer. I believe in traditional marriage. Ive accepted the court ruling. So wait, here is the thing. There could be an effort to pass a constitutional amendment. Im not for doing it. Im for moving on. You know what, im also a believer that if i dont like what somebody is doing, i have a couple of things i can do. I can tolerate it. I can Say Something. Or i have another thing i can do. I can pray for a person. Thats another thing i can do. Youre not driving me into some ditch here, chris. No, im not trying to. Youre not going to, okay. Ditch is usually selected by the candidates. Yes. Because i think it was interesting that you would go to
a gay this isnt my special field of interest, but the fact that you would go to a gay wedding and help celebrate and say i believe in traditional marriage, i still dont get your exact position. Would you like to change the law . Look, im exactly where it is now, im fine with it. I just dont want anybody kind of on either end trying to drive controversy, because it has to i know. It has to do with respecting peoples deeply held religious believes versus, you know, something that could be discriminatory. It has to be youre taking it it sounds very different to a person what youre saying than what ted cruz says. But im running. I am a candidate of hope, okay. Im trying to bring out the differences in what the candidates stand for. Cruz is, you know, evangelical, he runs on this kind of thing. You dont. No. All right, lets go to a question. Governor thank you, and welcome to beautiful long island. Strong island some of us call it. Yes. Yes. That is true. Ive eaten my way across the entire state of new york. And ive had the best time. You know, they talk about new york values, i bring my i have twin daughters. I know. And a wife and my wife and i come here, and i take my one of them, each to new york. You know what . There is not a greater place in the world than new york. Thats not thats not pandering. I really love it. I think its i mean, look, you are a live. Would you want to live here . Ive been in and out of here for ten years. First of all, i love where i live. I love ohio. The thing that would be a challenge for me, traffic and things like that. But thats why i dont want to live here, but i love coming here okay. So but i would invite you to come to ohio. Its great. Im telling you. Governor, the question . Let me introduce myself. My name is dr. Cynthia paul louse. Ive searched the country for ten years. Thank you. I had a scholarship through medical school and i work with the native americans in oklahoma. Afterwar afterwards, i segued down through texas. For almost 20 years, i work the border towns in texas. I work all those towns that we refer to as the knife and gun club. You talk about building bridges. I literally got to see what that wall was like, which is like swiss cheese or doesnt exist. The question is, have you done your homework . Im going to go into the voting booth next week. Youre the only person that has gone down to see the border was donald trump. He gets it. He talked to the border patrol. What policy would you push . I feel the borders need to be secured. I do. Yeah. There is a reason. Ill tell you why. No, ill tell you why. Because the crime is rampant. I mean, its one thing, youre talking the talk. And i do like you, but im concerned that why you have not gone down to the border, talked to the people and see what theyve experienced. I talked to people who have experienced it. I havent looked at the wall. Why not . There are so many hours in the day. Would it be great to go there, i would like to go all over the country, but there is only so much time. I didnt know that you didnt know that i absolutely believe we have to secure the border. I know we have to secure the border. We were just talking here about what, in 86, reagan and the republicans and democrats passed a plan on immigration, but we just talked about it. We didnt enforce it. We need to enforce it. We have to protect our border. Ill tell you. Its not just because of that. I worry about isis or people who are part of that coming into our
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covering the working poor so millions of americans dont lose health insurance. Thats first step. The longer step would be, we are driving in our state, which can be taken nationally towards total transparency. We want to know the cost of a hospital, we want to know the quality of a physician. We want to know the cost of a physician. And we are creating a system working with the insurance industry, and with the Hospital Systems and with the physicians to reward people who provide high quality, below the average. If you are providing high quality and your costs are low, well give you a financial reward. This will work in driving down, putting downward pressure on Health Care Costs because we keep going the way were going, look at the deductibles, we might as well have catastrophic policies now. Were actually doing this in our state. Not just the government, but also the private sector and we want to take this nationally. So we believe you would repeal obama care. Yeah. First, before you get something else. I would switch it out. Next question. Hello, my name is joseph deangelo, i am an educator. My question involves an incident yesterday where a war ship in the baltic, american war ship was buzzed by two russian fighters, and a helicopter. This is part, im assuming an attempt to incite an incident. This is part of a continuing problem thats occurred in china, and also for instance, the events in iran, the taking of one of our patrol boats. I was curious, what you might do about such an International Affair . Well, look, i mean, i served on the Armed Services committee for 18 years, and i saw everything from the buildup of our military to the collapse of the berlin wall to pushing sadam out of kuwait. The one thing you have to do is you have to be strong, sir. You cant say one thing and do another. And you also have to stay cool. We dont need to have an International Incident or a war, but we need to make it clear to people, were not going to tolerate this behavior. For example, i would tell putin, we are going to arm the ukrainians, and if you try to if you think you can invade nato and not attack us, youre wrong. With the chinese, you dont own the South China Sea and the fact is, if you cyber attack us, were not only going to defend ourselves, but take your systems out. Saying what you mean and meaning what you say, but we dont want to get all worked up with something that we might go down a path we may not get back. We have to destroy isis. The same coalition we used in the first gulf war, we to get
them with the muslim nations and ourselves, in the air, on the ground, when we beat it, beat tem them, let them redraw the map. Theyll redraw the map of the middle east. The civilized war has to beat the barbarians. Weve got to bring the whole civilized world together, not only on military, but intelligence and policing, so that we can only be aware of where these people are so we can destroy them before they destroy any of the people that we love. Okay . Can i i want to followup on hawkish, where up on that spectrum. Hillary clinton is much more hawkish is than bernie is. She screwed up libya. You talk about having a significant component of Ground Troops and going after isis. You supported the iraq war in 2002, like hillary did. I wasnt in congress then. You supported it. Because we ohio state, we should go to war with iraq. You said that. Can i explain why . Sure. Because we had intelligence that i know indicated that sadah a weapons of mass destruction. If he did not, i would not have wanted to go. Who told you he did. Colin powell. Do you think he told the truth. I dont think he was lying. I talked to the top cia just last may, sadam, no one ever say, chain nay chaney what did powell say. Do you just believe people like that . Well, chris, the whole
world did he say he had Nuclear Weapons. Sure he did. Weapons of mass destruction confused it a little bit. Here is what i would tell you. When reagan had troops in lebanon. Yeah. I voted against having them there. Right. I said you dont get in civil wars. I now believe we need to get out of afghanistan. If i were president , i wouldnt be announcing the timeline. But i would give the aircraft that the afghans need, and i would get out of there. If we saw, you know, people acting up in there, we use special forces to take them out. Let me go on. Ive never been for being in the middle of civil wars. Im not in favor of using u. S. Forces on the ground against assad. Why are we in iraq. Because we thought he posed a danger. Who told you he had Nuclear Weapons . Chris. I just want to know who told you. I did answer that. I heard colin powell, cheney,
the president of the United States, and so did tony player. He is being castgaited for bad intelligence. Let me tell you the way you do it. Sit in the room with your intelligence person, have your nonintelligence person. Your traditional military advisor, and your nontraditional military advisor, because you cannot have group think. If we had group think, kennedy would have bombed cuba. Off he got to have a diversity of opinion. You believe w had that in the white house . Why would you trust w and chaney when you know theyre hawks. They wanted the war and you knew it. Why did you trust their intelligence. I didnt know they wanted the war just to go to war. Thats your opinion. Its on the record. Look, chris, im going to tell you, clearly, im going to tell you clearly now, if sadam
had not had if that intelligence information, that got tony blair even to go, and that was bushs poodle. You know what, i just have one question. The c. I. A. Didnt believe they had Nuclear Weapons, why did everybody else. I think youre recreates history. I think you are. What youre doing is mondaymorning quarterbacking. Thats how we learn. We learn when we make mistakes. Thats right. I wouldnt do them again. If it wasnt accurate, i wouldnt go. Just for the record, just for the record, i asked all those questions to the top c. I. A. Briefer to find out what the actual objective truth was. Not the political b. S. Back and for t forth going to the war. Mike morrell told me on my show, weve got the tape, well show it, where he said they never had any testimony, they never gave
testimony to the administration, that sadam hughm had nuclear we. It was spun. Just because one guy says something. He is the chief briefer. Im going to give you my opinion. Just because one guy says something and get as i nice headline doesnt make it so. If i thought, wait a minute folks. If i thought they manipulated this to get us in a war like that, i would be you i think would defend them . Are you kidding me . Im the Republican Party is my vehicle. It has never been my master. Ive never shied away from criticizing my party. You took dick chain my on your i took colin powell. Do you think he is happy about what he did. Of course not. We found out it wasnt true. Youre not implying he was some
sort of fool or got manipulated. I think he was used. Shame on all of them. Because people like me and you trusted him. Thats why. Because we would believe him. We wouldnt believe chaney. Were not going to go willynilly into war any where. First of all thats what surprised me. Why do you want to bring in grou Ground Troops are you kidding me . The first gulf war was united world. We didnt occupy a country. Exactly. You know why, because bush, the father knew where to stop. We achieved our on skrbjecti we have to destroy them. The Ground Troops. Wait a minute, chris. Wait a minute. Do you actually think that you could destroy them without people on the ground . Are you kidding me . What happens when one of our guys gets picked up and theyre going to be head him in two
days . Dont it escalate it further. No. Look, its a i would think. Im going to say to you is this. Isis is spreading. It needs to be destroyed. The caliphate will it will take the air out of the radicals. Number two, if youre not on the ground, it wont work. You cant just do it from the air. How many wars did we learn that in. But, let me tell you this. Once theyre gone. Once theyre gone. Im for getting out of there. Im not for the United States being an occupier. We went into afghanistan, iraq twice, libya, were in there now against syria. When are we going to stop this regime change . This is not perfect. None of these other people can talk about this, because they have no experience in this. It gives me a chance to talk about. Lets talk about libya. Hillary clinton went and put the pressure on the administration to get rid of gadhafi. Check it out. And then let me talk about afghanistan. I would have never added the extra troops. I would have used im going to use special forces. When we see al qaeda somewhere, take them out with drowns. Take them out with special forces. I want to get out of there. You want to put troops into fighting isis. Isis is different. How is it for getting out of there . Im not for using troops to get rid of assad. The longer we wait, the more complicated it will become and the more at risk we will be. We need to defend america. Well have more questions from the voters here when we come back. In new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. All across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. Like in rochester, with worldclass botox. And in buffalo, where medicine meets the future. Let us help grow your companys tomorrow today at business. Ny. Gov if you misplace your you can use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. And once you find it, you can switch it right on again. Youre back freeze it from discover. Get it at discover. Com. Take on the unexpected. The new 2016 nissan altima. Built to stand out. We believe in the power of active management. Anagement, we actively manage with expertise and conviction. So you can invest with more certainty. Mfs. Thats the power of active management. Next question. I want to know what is your position about North Carolina bathroom law . I think the governor now is trying to go and somehow improve that or fix that. I wish him the best on that. You have not made were not passing anything like that in my state. Okay. Next question. Im a democrat, a liberal democrat but you seem like a really authentic you have to vote for me in the fall. You seem like an authentic, really you have deeply held religious beliefs. Ive always want to ask this question, i dont understand the exception part. If abortion is deemed murder, why you would make exceptions at all . I think they are appropriate. I think they make sense. Thats why im for it. By the way, you just brought up the issue of faith. A lot of people say if you have faith, how does that affect the way you do things. I dont like consult the bible when i try to decide what to do. I would say the single biggest thing that faith has done to me
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