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Big thanks to donny for being here. See you monday. Digging into donalds baggage. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Heard trumps unsavory chatter with howard stern and he wont release his past or present tax returns. Did he think none of this would explode in his face or did he not imagine it would get this close to actually being president. This week there were multipresident remind dee multipresident multiple reminders. Theres a guy that sounds like trump claiming to be his p. R. Guy. Thats renewed focus on his conversations with howard stern. As he said today, its none of your business about his tax returns. As the news yesterday that trumps former long time butler called for the killing of the president of the United States. We begin with that audio from 1991. The man calls himself john miller. The Washington Post reports he is donald trump. Lets listen. Whats your name again . John miller. You work with donald . Thats correct. He really decided that he wasnt, he didnt want to make my commitment. He didnt want to make a commitment. He thought it was too soon. Hes coming out of marriage. Hes somebody with a lot of o options. He gets called by everybody. Hes living with marla and has three other girlfriends. Im sort of new here. What is your position . Im handling p. R. Because he gets so much of it. On the today show he denied the man was not him. It was not me on the phone. It doesnt sound like me. It was not me on phone. Robert costas is a National Reporter for the Washington Post. David corning is with mother jones and joy reid is here. Joy, youre laughing already. Lets talk about this. I guess we can assume, they havent broken the case here at msnbc but most people say that sounds like donald trump. Is this the kind of thing you do when preparing to run for president . No. I wonder if any of this stuff would have really stopped him tr being where he is now. The American People that like trump, that minority that do, care about this one way or another . I dont think they do. It is bizarre to watch this whole president ial race boil down to the mtv show catfish, where you have this George Wallace character who did not intend to be president of the United States. Otherwise, he would have done a lot of things differently. You have somebody so narcissistic that in order to deflect bad media coverage, he pretends to be his own publicist. Its weird. The theres any difference of trump that call up tabloids and talking occupy this guy donald trump. This guy is really great and the guy were watching tonight as a political figure. Is he any different than that guy . Trump has changed the political campaign. The way politics really functions in this country because of the way he engages with the press. I asked why he came to pile all this stuff on his desk and look at the press that way. He said going back to the 80s and 90s, he was someone who did serve as his own press officer who is realized the power of the press and shaping his public image. Its been free, hasnt it . Its been a will the of coverage for him. It goes back to the way he worked the new york tabloid fls the 1980s. Why is he denying thats him on the phone . Why wouldnt he just say theres nothing wrong with what i did. It was pushy but i was ambiti s ambitious. I cant read the mind of donald trump. The post stands by the story. Sounds like donald trump. Its something reported in the past of what hes done. Lets listen to the conversation. Theres more than some issues with him. Hes a [ bleep ] traitor. Traitor, traitor. Thats the way i feel. You think thats what should be done with traitors . I think he ought to be hung. I think he should be hung. He should be hung next to Hillary Clinton. I think it should be public. I think it should be televised. It should be done from the portico of the white house. It used to be the white house. He said he no longer works for trump and they disavow the horrible statements made by this fella regarding the president of the United States. David, good work. You scooped this thing. What do you think it means. You imagine this butler must have been mutserring along the lines sefb years ago when he worked for him. Hes his former butler but hes been the informal historian since 2009. He still had an association with trump. Theres a lot going on here. Trump tells us that he loves everybody, but he really is being sort of pushing a demagogue that seems to be enabling hatred. Some people agree with you, many do, with what comes out about this long time experience. I think trump is enabling and helping people to express these ideas, these hateful ideas and feeling they are part of the mainstream of political debate. Did trump ever meet that guy . I dont know but the campaign picked him. Does this make it with him pe personally. Absolutely. He was a guy that ran a reality empire that was sued by the federal government for Racial Discrimination and housing. He ran apartments in new york that refused to rent to black people. He was sued for it and had to settle with the federal government. Donald trump, when i experienced him as someone who lived in new york who wacalled for the centr park five to be executed and the Death Penalty should be put into effect for them. He hedged about giving the first africanamerican winner the soul victory. He wanted it to slar hare it wi woman who was white. Randall pinkett had to object to it. Hes leading the former group of apprentice cast member who is say this guy is unfits to be president. Hes has racial views that go w back to the 1980s and 90s. Hes a birther. He expressed the president couldnt have been smart enough to go to harvard and couldnt have written his law review. We know who donald trump is. Lets listen to a bit of him on stern. Lady di had great beauty. Would you have slept with her . Without hesitation. She had the height, beauty, skin. The whole thing. These are minor details. You know who has really changed, nicollet sherdan. Shes a solid four. She went from being very flat chested. I view a person who is flat chested is very hard to be a ten. If Angelina Jolie is a five. What is jennifer aniston. A six or seven. Who is a nine . My standards are very high. Let me go to robert costa on this. I never understood the stern appeal. They werent married guys. Is that part of a selfpromotion . What would he get out of doing stern . You look at the howard stern audience, it reminds me of the Rush Limbaugh audience just in terms of its reach. Its a wide spread one. One that doesnt get mainstream attention. The working class ethic, those are the kind of people especially in certain rust belt states in the northeast have really connected with trump. He was the beginning of the crudification of the media. He took pride in going past these. I found some clips of donald trump where they are talking about j. Los back side and whether its too big or not. He asked about if his breasts wife were injured. Hes enabling and validating stern. He said stern was his buddy. This is why hes unfavorable with women much more than men. A lot of women havent heard this stuff. Theyll hear it now. Watch his reaction. Do you believe voters have a right to see your tax returns before they make a final decision in. I dont think they do. I say this. I will gladly give them. Theyre not going to learn anything. Its under routine audit. When the audits ends ill present them. What is your tax rate . Its none of your business. Ill release. I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. That was a brutal counter pun punch. What do you milwaukake of that reaction . Maybe that is a sensitive point. Ill bet mitt romney wishes he could have said that and gotten away with it. Even Richard Nixon released hi tax returns. Clintons have released 35 years. This is domds trump saying he doesnt have to follow the most basic pursuing the presidency. We have a current president who is intellectually, as degreed as a person could be. Hes viable shouldnt be in examine nati examination of donald trump, we need to be in examination of ourself. Coming up, the Obama Administration orders Public Schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom of their choice. Its the latest flash point in the culture wars and its triggering a backlash from the far right. Would hillary kin on tclint willing to use military force. We have the author of a new book who says Hillary Clinton will be a hawk. The Republican Party starts to line up behind their nominee and why the scandal seems to trail the clintons but bounce off trump. Seems like it. Let me finish with man who didnt spend his life preparing to run for president. You know who im talking about. This is hardball, the place for politics. 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Ask your doctor about cialis and a 200 savings card. Customer service d. Maam. This isnt a computer. Wait. Youre real . With discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u. S. , like me, anytime. Wow. This is a recording. Really . No, im kidding. 100 u. S. Based customer service. Here to help, not to sell. The Obama Administration sied warning that transgender students must be allowed to use the restroom or locker room of their choice or risk the loss of federal money. Dan patrick says the order tramples on states rights. President obama, in the dark of the night, without consulting congress, without consulting educators, parents decides to issue an executive order forcing transgender policies on schools and parent who is dont want it. Patrick said texas would forfeit the 10 billion it receives rather than comply. We will not be blackmailed by the president s 30 pieces of silver. Thank you for joining me. What is the mood in texas. Trying to figure out how the country has gotten so hot on this issue from the right. You have to remember the context of this is the texas republican convention. You have within a five block ra radius they are rallying behind this. There were signs in the ladies room advocated for the state race on this particular issue. Let me ask you, my question about it is, i dont want to be light hearted because its a serious human rights issue. My question is this, if someone who is identifying as female, for example, dressed as female, made up as female and the manner or presentation comes off as female, why would they want to go into a mens room. That would cause chaos. If you follow to the letter this North Carolina it would be chaotic. What room are they telling them to go to. What the their recommendation except to go away . I havent heard much in the forms of recommendations. What has come up is he wont want boys run sboog the girls restroom be we want to protect our female students. Thats the focus of this. Thats what ive seen. Thank you so much. Joining me is travis weber. You and caitlyn took it on on the show. Lets watch a clip. Whim going to be on the sam fight as them. We can walk into a bathroom. Im not going into the mens room. I want america to know that transpeople are looking to do the same thing in the bathroom. No one is taking any time to meet or greet. Straighten this out from both sides. Tell me what you think about this. What are we supposed to think about the logic and Traffic Management of where people of different gender identities should go. What are they supposed to do . I dont think this is about bathrooms at all. I think its about equal rights. Transgender people dont want special rights. We want equal protection under the law. Mostly what we want is to be left alone. If we can be left alone, wed like to be treated with love. You know how to create the perfect situation, just stop. Stop coming up with these laws. Theres been no reported signs of any incidents over the last several years. Law very much like the one which president obama put into action last night has been on the books in california for two and a half years now with no incidents whatsoever. I say maybe these people are really not trying. Maybe is issue is not bathrooms at all. Now theyre trying to rile up people against transgender people and its not right and its not fair. Travis, tell her what bathroom she should use. Im not sure. Just answer that question. I think people she would not be comfortable or not cause problem if she walked into a mens room. Should she walk into a mens room. People with use path rooms according to biological sex with people with a genuine issue. What should transgender person who identifies as a woman, what should they do . They can use the bathroom of their biological sex exsecept wn theres a genuine issue. You cant answer. Someone that can have an issue related to this issue. This allows for abuse. All of a sudden what would be the abuse . A boy who says im expressing myself as a girl, locker room is open to them. Whats the worst case . The worst case is what were going to have under the Obamas Administration guidance is youll have boys around the country saying im a girl today. Where has that happened . That is never going to happen. Its already happening in School Districts. No its not. Give me an example. You have girl who is are uncomfortable. What School District . In the chicago area. You have girl who is are uncomfortable there. Sufficient to ban together and sue. Where has that happened . University of toronto. The guy was in there filming the girls. This does happen. The gender neutral policy in canada, thats the best you can do. I mean, this is a solution in search of a problem. I would suggest that we do is what my mother, a republican, evangelical christian suggest we do, is open your hearts. Travis, if you had a child who was transgender, im glad you recognize the existence of gender disphoria as a real issue. We dont deserve to be humiliated or treated with anything other than love. This is not going to open the door to boys in girls bathrooms. Thats a hallucination that the right has come up with in order to scare people. Its not necessary. Which should jenny do if she was visiting North Carolina right now . Should she go to the mens room . Youre dodging the toughest question. What do you want people to behave like . Its not a matter of what i want. What should she do . Go to mens room. A private business can do whatever they want. Should she go to the mens room or ladies room. Its a single use bathroom. That means nothing. Im a woman. I have an f on my drivers license. I have the anatomy of a woman. Because my birth certificate says m, that makes me unsafe. Transgender people do not deserve to be made more unsafe. Were talking about a small but unfairly maligned group of people who want to be left alone. We wish to be treated like anybody else. Thats what the Obama Administrations policy does. It says the title nine applies to transgender people as well. We are covered by the law. Okay. I think we have to end it. I agree with her that everyone should be treated with love and respect. Thats a human basic. People have different issues. Theyre not arguing disrespectful. People love people and have different issues. Seems odds that you would want her show up in mens room that you go to. Do you think its appropriate . Should she go to your mens room . Yes or no. We have to respect the privacy rights. Youre dodging the question. He is dodging the question. It is a simple question. Ill be the ladys room. Thanks very much. Thank you, both. I think you both had different persons. Thank you. Im rooting for you. Up next, a preview of this coming. 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I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. Welcome back to hardball. Hillary clinton says she wants to see Donald Trumps tax returns. Trump says his tax rate is none of georges business. Its not the only controversy dogging trump. The Washington Post had audio recordings of trump posing as his own publicist in the 1990s. He denied the voice was his. Here is former president clinton reacting on a rope line yesterday. Mr. President , regarding the wall street journal report, did cgi break the law . Do you have any response . I havent had chance to read it carefully. I think my foundation you deny it . God, yes. Lets bring in the hardball round table. Michael is with the daily beast and ann is a correspondent with the Washington Post. This has been sort of a thing. Politicians have to show the tax returns. He says he will. Jane is working on them. Shes been busy, he says. I mean, of all parties, right. Why do we, the great we of the political world want to see tax returns. What do they tell us about the candidate . It tells you the candidate is just like you. They have to put on pants legs one at a time. They have to do their taxes. It isnt a revealing look at someones true financial picture. Tells you how much money they give away. Tells you how much money they give away. What their gross income is. What their tax rate is. Whether they have been prudent with their investments. It gives a picture of someones overall financial prudence. If you saw a bunch of them like ten in a row, youd probably be able to figure out the wealth of someone because its a combination of all your income. You dont take the Capital Gains of money growing all over the place. They can hide their wealth pretty well. He didnt like that question. Theres stated public tax rates then you take your fancy lawyers to cover it. Mitt romney, we learned in 2012 paid about 14 . Could the problem be his wealth is in buildings and ownership. You go out there and tell everybody youre worth 11 billion, they expect you to pay a lot of taxes. He could not be taking the money and earnings. He may be throwing it back in or keeping the money tied up all the time. The things the tax returns tell you are the things he doesnt want us to know that he hasnt told us. His charitable rate. Whether he pays more than howard the billionaire, howard buffets secretary. His rate may be way down there. Does he have money in the Cayman Islands like mitt romney . An editor wrote a biography about trump. He was sued by trump. One of the things came out was trumps tax returns. He said they were so redacted it looked like a cross word puzzle. All the black stuff. Posing as this guy john martin or whoever. The potty talk on stern and all that sort of stuff, if you knew all that stuff, would he still be any further back in line than he is now . I dont think it would have affected the voters at all. You tell me. Looking backwards, apparently not. What democrats are hoping that Going Forward when he will try to appeal to larger audience, that this stuff does matter. He is giving Hillary Clinton a freebie here. What about the clinton cgi money going to somewhere they like. I dont know what to make of that story. I dont think we have enough context to judge that story. Its going to hover around for the clintons. There will probably be more things that will come out. It may not be big things. I have long thought the clintons should make guidelines about how the foundation will operate. This is a big part of their legacy. Theyre not giving it up. They dont need to. They dont want to know too much about the foundation, where the money has gone. They dont want that. Organize it in a very professional way. Its hard to fix everything overnight. Up next, these three will tell me something i dont know. Vo across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with noninsulin victoza®. 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Welcome back. Could we see a more hawkish administration and u. S. Foreign policy if Hillary Clinton wins the white house. It was written, clintons affinity for the armed forces rooted is a lifelong belief that its vital to our national interest. Back in she thought about enforcing regime change. What do you think quickly of the whole history of the United States in your lifetime of knocking off leaders who in iran, guatemala, knocking off allende in chile, patrice momba in the congo, knocking off trujil trujillo, who have i missed . Weve been doing this a long time. What is your view of all those assassinati assassinations, attempts to change the history of other countries . Should we be doing that kind of thing, knocking off leaders . In the vast majority of cases the answer months. But theres always historical games you could play. If somebody could have assassinated hitler before he took over germany, would that have been a good thing or not . Mark lamb has written alter egos. Everybodys going to find this fascinating. What did you make of her response to my question . I thought shed Say Something like, that was a bad part of our cold war history, we shouldnt have knocked off those guys. No, she said we could have gotten hitler. I zeroed in on that last piece. She was almost pushing back on what you were saying and saying, there is rationale for this kind of thing. I think thats what you saw during the first term of the Obama Administration where she sort of functions as a house hawk. But more than even just being a hawk. She also was the person who was the most willing to see interventions ending with a good outcome. And thats what made her very different than president obama hoy think generally viewed interventions as ending with a bad outcome. How do you figure that with the fact she grew up sort of as a young woman with the vietnam war all around her, watching all these guys getting drafted and the killing of the horrible killing that went on in vietnam . Most people said that was overreach, we tried to stake over a country, we tried to run it, we should have limited our intervention. Yet you say she believes in positive intervention. I think she does. If you look at that vietnam experience, which i tried to again in this book, she had a sort of interesting history with vietnam. She wasnt fervently opposed and passionately opposed the way some antivietnam protesters were. To some extent her opposition was rooted in fears of things like, was the president abusing his executive authority when he did the secret bombing in cambodia . That was something that really interested her back when she was an intern in washington. I think though the difference is, she still defaults to a belief that American Intervention is fundamentally can be a good thing. It doesnt necessarily have to be a bad thing. And the contrast i draw and i draw it through the entire book is that obama having spent a childhood in a very different place, some of it in indonesia, simply had a different view of americas role and generally thought these interventions didnt end well. Then the iraq war, for him a formative Foreign Policy experience, probably the most important one he had and the one he brought into office with him, whereas she had seen some things work out well. The balkan interventions. Her key decision which hurt her in the 2008 race was supporting the authorization for going to war in iraq. How did she turn on that over the months and years since then and before that . How did she get to that decision, how has she reviewed it since . Look, first of all shes acknowledged it was a mistake. Whats that mean, though . Whats mistake mean . She acknowledged it was a mistake because she said she wasnt given access thats not a mistake. To the full intelligence dossier. The point is she read the full nie that talked about whether saddam had waps or not. Did he have Nuclear Weapons . No evidence has suggested we knew or thought he did but they sold it. Thats right. So the bottom line is she sort of hung it around being deceived by the administration when the argument is she probably didnt do adequate Due Diligence to figure out the truth for herself. I think it was a combination of what i said earlier, which is her own instincts. Plus you have to also acknowledge new york senator, post 9 11, wor bied about her own possible how about being a woman . Its hard to do the psycho babble. Does she feel as a woman he shas to prove herself extratough . More of a hawk than a regular male candidate . I think that was probably true in the senate certainly. I almost feel at this point its a matter of her reflectixes and instincts. Maybe a pose, perhaps it was a pose early on. Mark i think you got it. I think shes tough. I think shes going to be a strong president if she gets in there. Alter egos Hillary Clinton, barack obama, and the Twilight Struggle over american power. A man who clearly didnt spend his life preparing to run for president , you know who im talking about. If you have allergy congestion, muddling through your morning is nothing new. Your nose is the only thing on your nd. And to get relief, anything is fair game. Introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. Powerful relief from your most frustrating nasal allergy symptom ,all day and all night. Hasnt your nose been through enough already . Try new rhinocort® allergy spray. Muddle no more® so we know how to cover almost almoanything. Hing, even a ufh2o. [man] thats not good. [pilot] thats not good. [man] thats really not good. [burke] it happened august fourteenth,2008, and we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are rmers. Bumpadum, bubumbumbum what backache . What sore wrist . What headache . Advil makes pain a distant memory. Nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain . Advil. They found out whos been who . Cking into our network. Guess. I dont know, some kids in a basement . You watch too many movies. Who . A Small Business in china. A business . They work nine to five. They take lunch hours. Like a job . Like a job. We tracked them. How did we do that . We have some new guys defending our network. New guys . Well, theyre not that new. Theyve been defending things for a long time. [ digital typewriting ] its not just security. Its defense. Bae systems. Let me finish tonight with this. A number of politicians fit the stereotype we all remember from school. They decide from an early age, their middle teens, they want to go into politics. They have a role model in mind. John f. Kennedy, ronald reagan, you name it. They set about a course, settle on a college that will give them the right brand, a Major State University for the more democratic touch. Ivy League School to set them up and apart. They major in political science, run for student government, all with an eye for law school and with ate slipstream for running for public office. They try to keep their nose clean as we used to say so they could breeze into politics without anyone having anything good on them. This i can say without any dispute is not the way donald trump built his life prior to running for president. He was married a couple of times, bragging about himself as an tractive partner, chatted away on the howard stern show. And paid the least amount of federal income income taxes he could legally get away with, because he said so. To prove he wasnt conniving the run for office he seems to have wildly masqueraded as his own publicity agent even to the point of using assumed names. None of this is the usual foreplay for seeking the approval of the majority of the american voters. The usually model is to be as straight and boring as one can, avoiding any behavior that might be called interesting much less colorful. Im not sure how to whale this flotsam and jetsam thats washed ashore except to say, had it washed ashore a year ago i doubt it would have stopped or slowed the trump bandwagon. Im not sure what most americans

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