Can you trust him, if you were president of the united states. If this is the way he treated the people who gave him money for a service or product, then its not it doesnt become him very well as a president ial candidate. Thank you both for joining us this hour. That wraps it up for me. Hardball with Chris Matthews starts right now. Hillary makes her pick. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews back in washington after covering the Republican National convention in cleveland. Were here live right now awaiting the big announcement from the Hillary Clinton campaign of who will be her running mate. Nbc reports that the news is expected to come at any moment. Believe me, we are on this. Lots of chatter secretary clinton will choose virginia senator tim kaine and selecting a moderate like herself would be
a sign of confidence on the part of secretary clinton. It would show her readiness to pick a Vice President ial nominee with whom she is comfortable personally as well as politically, that she doesnt need to accommodate the pressure from the partys left. Nbcs Andrea Mitchell is with the campaign in florida. Ed rendell, a clinton supporter, close friend of the clintons is with us. Andrea, what is the timing look like right now . We are expecting a text message to supporters. Thats the way they want to announce this. Then you would see her in miami tomorrow with her choice, all indicators are that it is tim kaine, the virginia senator, former governor, former mayor. He checks a lot of boxes. There has been pushback from some progressive more liberal democrats who dont like his past position on abortion. They dont like his position on bank regulation, concerned about his support for trade agreements. That said, he does have the one
qualification of any of the possible candidates other than military choices of having more Foreign Policy experience. That became first of all, that has always been her first criteria, somebody who is ready to step into the commander in chief role. Hes on foreign affairs, foreign relations, i should say, and Armed Services committee so hes been very active in both afghanistan, the counterterrorism policy against isis in syria as well as iraq policy. Thats a very important component. It became more important when mike pence was chosen and became even more important late this week when donald trump sounded off against nato. That really sealed the deal for this choice. Because that shows that there was an opening, a vulnerability on the part of trump on Foreign Policy. Andrea . I guess we are i apologize. Let me go to chuck todd. My premise here is that she
picked tim kaine because she wanted him. If she picks him, thats because she wants him, personally she wants him across the hall from her if shes president. She expects to be president. Shes picking a Vice President , not just someone to run with. 100 . This is a governing pick. I think, look, this is not about a specific Constituency Group in the Democratic Party. If she were worried about a specific Constituency Group, perhaps she would have picked a latino or picked somebody more progressive in a Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, maybe decided on somebody else. Look, this is a governing pick. This is somebody that is in many ways, who Hillary Clinton i think views as sharing a similar personality. They are both kind of midwest, have that sort of midwestern reserved nature to them, instinctively reserved nature. Tim kaine not a native of virginia. Moved to virginia. Grew up in missouri. Grew up in kansas city, i
believe. So theres that. And i think its somebody who is seen as just a steady guy. Doesnt make a lot of mistakes. You know hes not going to make a lot of unforced errors on the campaign trail but hes seen as a pretty loyal guy, when hes governing, and doesnt let his own i think, look, most president s are concerned about somebody letting their own ambition get in the way of them being a partner. Thats not tim kaine. You mean he doesnt see his way to the presidency . Im not saying he doesnt see, lets back that up. Hes ambitious. But not to the point where it would blind him from not being loyal to the person that picked him. You know, its amazing, you and i follow this political thing, not just in terms of whats in the headlines but whats the back story. Mitch mcconnell, republican leader, once said ive got an entire caucus of class president s. When you come across the fact that tim kaine was class president in high school, you go bulls eye. Talk about checking the boxes. Thats one more thing you can look for. You want to find a future president , look for a class president. I want to bring in anne guerin. Hillary clinton, first woman president. Plausibly potentially and perhaps shes the favorite at this point. She has to have a working relationship with a guy whos a guy. Who knows what that means but its the first time so its an interesting kind of chemistry decision here. Shes had lots of experience. With bill. Shes had lots of experience, period. As the first woman to do all sorts of things. Sure. But now she has this partner thing. Yes. And i agree exactly with chucks analysis of why he would make a good partner. Shes not looking specifically for someone who can help her run, although they think tim kaine can do that. He can be an attack dog, he can do many of the things that shes gotten somewhat better at doing herself but still needs some help in doing, which is zeroing in on his weaknesses and being able to rally democrats and now
go beyond rallying democrats to get other people, any undecid s undecideds, any disaffected republicans to start to think differently about trump. They think that tim kaine has skills in that way. Shes really looking beyond that period to someone who she thinks would be able to work in congress. He has a good bipartisan record and who could do fill in around her on Foreign Policy. Governor rendell, it seems to me the vice presidency has emerged as a major office in this country. It began to really emerge under lbj because of its political importance in winning that election. Under mondale, when you get an office two doors from the oval office and youre right there all the time, you talked to joe biden, he gets called into the office a lot. The president says lets talk about this thing. Its very much a partnership. No question. One of the reasons i love Hillary Clinton is i knew she would pick someone not by who could best help her win the
election, but by someone who would be ready to govern if something happened to her. Tim kaine has domestic experience. He was a governor, a terrific governor. He was a great party chairman. He is really liked and respected by democrats all over the country regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, and most of all, hes got experience with terrorism and the military. An excellent choice, a guy who could be president literally on day one. He helps a little bit i think in virginia, maybe more than a little bit, but there are other people who might have been better as campaigners in helping Hillary Clinton win the election, but she takes it seriously. Just like she takes the job of president seriously. She also what do you think about the lift she seems to be operating under . I watched her just perform, we all did a few moments ago. You can usually read people. She looks like shes happy. We all show our attitude. She looks like shes had a good week thanks to trump. Well, i think the republican
convention was a series of unexpected disasters. The plagiarism on monday, ben carson saying hillary meets and talks to lucifer at times, ted cruz on wednesday, manafort dissing governor kasich in a state that no republicans ever won the presidency without carrying the popular republican governor, and i think its a speech that i know a lot of analysts think it was a good speech. It was a good speech for the people in the room. It was a good speech for the base. Its going to get them excited and theyre going to turn out. But i think for anybody who was undecided that was a very odd way to approach getting their votes. Just a few moments ago, Hillary Clinton, former secretary of state, reacted to what happened in cleveland this week and had a rare word of praise. Here she is, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. This proves that point. Lets watch. Did any of you watch that
convention in cleveland . Well, you know, it was kind of perversely flattering. Something has gone terribly wrong when one speaker says vote your conscience and gets booed. I mean, i never thought i would say these words, but ted cruz was right. Well, thats a stretch. Anyway, let me ask you about the parallel. I go to anne first, then governor rendell. Bernie sanders is not ted cruz. Bernie sanders stood up for a party hes not even a member of which is Pretty Good Party loyalty. Hes not actually a democrat. And he came out and said a week or so ago im with hillary. End of story, shes my candidate for president. Ted cruz said the opposite. He said he was absolutely standing against the history of donald trump. Im betting this guy goes down bad. Im going to stand on his grave. Thats basically what he said this week. Hillary isnt worried about bernie being with her. Bernies with her. Whereas cruz is clearly against trump. Yeah. The democrats are judging that the republicans have a worse probably problem of disaffected membership than they do. They have a ka chasm. Bernie is with her, will say the right things about her, will campaign for her. There are diehard bernie supporters who maintain now that not only is she the wrong choice but that bernies making what are their options . On the floor next week in philly . Their options on the floor will they put a candidate on the floor . Will they nominate someone against tim kaine . I think they will complain
about tim kaine loudly, louder even than hillary, particularly because of his stance on banking and also trade. Hes actually been a stronger proponent of tpp in recent months than she has since she disavowed it. He hasnt 100 said that hes super excited about it still but he maintains greater affection for it and then this week, he signed on to these two letters that a lot of deckic a democrat progressive activists see as thinly disguised lobbying on behalf of banks. He says thats not what it is at all but it will cause him some problems. Is there anybody who sort of had the diagram saying you had somebody hillarys close to and feels comfortable with cogoverning with, and also meets the terms of the left . I kept thinking you know, it might have been, i dont know who it would have been, but it was certainly not bernie. Hes not going to be Vice President. He doesnt have the soul of Vice President. Nor does Elizabeth Warren. They dont think like Vice President s. Go ahead. Your thoughts on that . You know what im trying to do. Is there anybody hillary would have liked that the left would have liked . I think Sherrod Brown would have been perfect except for the fact that if he got elected Vice President , john kasich would appoint his successor and it would be a republican and that could have decided the balance of the senate. But i think Sherrod Brown was someone that hillary would have been comfortable with and certainly would have been more acceptable to the far left than tim kaine is going to be. I think tim kaines vote on tpp is a problem. Theres no question about it. No ifs, ands and buts about it. I give hillary high marks for political courage and picking someone she felt would be a good Vice President. Do you think its because chuck schumer, the likely democratic leader of the senate coming up next year, is still worried about getting the 50 votes he needs, the 50 members he needs from 46, hes still not sure of getting that fourvote increase that he needs to keep
ohio . Absolutely. If you have ever been on the receiving end of a call from chuck schumer, you know how difficult that can be. One of the hardest things in life. I have said many times, Chuck Schumers an acquired taste. I have managed to acquire it. Im not sure thats a permanent condition. Anyway, thank you all. We will stick with this story. Hillary clintons pick for vp running mate could come any minute. Look, we think it will be within this hour. Stick with us. Leave the tv on. Still ahead this hour, in addition to that, donald trump took the opportunity to use his first appearance after becoming the republican candidate for president to go back and fight with ted cruz. Hes still fighting this other front war with the guy who has just been as nasty as can be and they are both being nasty. Why is he involved in another war with ted cruz . Take on any road with intuitive allwheel drive. The nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. Now get 0 apr for 72 months, plus 500 bonus cash. I have an orcogram we for an owen. E. Thats me. You should hire stacy drew. She wants to change the world with you. She can program jet engines to talk and such. Her biggest weakness is she cares too much. Thank you. My friend really wants a job at ge. Mine too. Im a wise elf from a far off shire. And sanjay patel is who you should hire. Thank you. Seriously though, stacy went to a great school and shes really loyal. You should give her a shot. Sanjays a team player and uh. Big day in politics. We could learn Hillary Clintons running mate any minute. Donald trump is back trashing ted cruz. You both have a perfect driving record. Perfect. No tickets, no accidents. That is until one of you clips a food truck ruining your perfect record. Yeah. Now you would think your Insurance Company would cut you some slack, right . No, your insurance rates go through the roof. Your perfect record doesnt get you anything. Anything. Perfect. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. Liberty stands with you. Liberty mutual insurance. Welcome back to hardball. Now to the developing story we have been following out of germany. Nine people are dead and 11 injured after a deadly shooting spree at a munich shopping center. Police are operating on the premise of a terrorist attack as they search for up to three gunmen who are on the lose. They say one gunman may be among the dead. The shooting began at a mcdonalds before the suspects made their way into the mall. That scene was captured on a cell phone. Wem, special forces in germany have been called in as munich grinds to a standstill. Police have told residents to stay indoors as they conduct the manhunt. Joining me from our new york newsroom is msnbcs cal perry. Also with us, msnbc terrorism analyst malcolm nance. I wish i didnt have to see you so often. This is another friday night here. Cal, give us a sense of who were the shooters . Who are the terrorists . We dont know at this point. There will be a press conference at the top of the hour by munich police. What we do know, im happy to say this, it doesnt bear any of the hallmarks of an isis attack. We know of one gunman who opened fire and you saw that very chilling video on a group of civilians outside a mcdonalds. He then moved to the mall where there was more shooting and then he seemed to vanish, whether or not hes one of the dead and thats something we are waiting to find out from munich police. Whether or not he then slipped away, there was some concern he went into the subway which is then why this city went into
lockdown. Thats still unclear. They are working on that part of the investigation right now. But you had 100 people go into that mall and you had the gunman go the other direction. We have also heard eyewitness reports saying that its quite likely this was some kind of xenophobic attack, the gunman was ranting about foreigners. That would seem to be in keeping with this kind of attack. It was not a large scale terrorist attack that ended in the deaths of many, many civilians with kind of a hostage situation and explosives which is what you would expect from an isis attack. We are not willing at this point to link it with an islamic extremist group. If this is nativist, why shoot other ethnic germans . At one point, thats a great question, at one point he yelled fing turks, something about turks. We understand, look, theres a large Turkish Community that lives in germany, they have been there since the 60s and this is, you know, europe is dealing with an immigration crisis. So thats where they are getting those reports from. Not clear who he targeted. There were some initial reports
that he maybe had targeted children at this mcdonalds. I will say this is the fifth anniversary of the horrible massacre in norway. Some people are wondering if theres not a connection there. We have to wait for the police investigation. Malcolm, thank you. Everybody thinks back to munich. That was the Steven Spielberg movie about that, the 11 israeli athletes killed at the olympics in 72. Munich still grabs us, malcolm. Well, you are absolutely right. Germany has had a long history of terrorism preceding even the black september attacks in 1973. They had their own internal forces, the red army faction. Denney the red. Absolutely. Surgents who were operating inside their own nation. Right now we have to be cautious. Some indications are that it was perhaps had right wing leanings and other indications are that
it may have been islamist. At this point we just know its an act of terrorism and this person shot children. We know at least one was a 15yearold girl who was murdered. It behooves us to be cautious, for everybody to be cool. We will all find out about how this is going to play out i certainly hope from the police when they come in at the top of the next hour and let us know precisely who the gunmen are and who they may still be looking for. Lets talk about patterns here. We dont know who it is. Cal, first to you, looking at this from an American Perspective now, the people who came and blew up the World Trade Center back on 9 11, they were from germany. They had pretty good jobs over there. They were technically skilled people. Their beef was cultural, i guess. Im not sure what else it was. And religious, i guess. But germany seems to be a place that has a lot of stuff cooking over there in terms of ethnic
strife. Yeah. And its a country in many ways like what we saw in belgium, where you have the small pockets of especially muslim communities that are disenfranchised, that are in impoverished. You have large communities in germany of immigrants where theres just not the same amount of opportunity. Look at what happened in the uk with brexit. This has been coming for a long time. We have seen a shift to the right amongst european governments in the past few years. And certainly, this is a concern not just in germany but across the continent. I think whats interesting about this attack was that it was a hit and run attack. It was not something that suicide. Right. It wasnt a suicide attack. 100 civilians go into the mall and the gunman goes the other way. I defer to malcolm on a lot of this but if this had been isis, i think we would still be reporting at an ongoing situation at a mall with hostages and explosives and claims of responsibility and all kinds of video. Malcolm, its not a barricade situation, therefore its not a suicide situation. Hit and run. Interesting. Whats that tell you . Well, it could have been a situation, this is what we were worried about very early on in the attack, that this was a run and gun, where the terrorist would come in, shoot up one location, jump down into the ubahn metro system and go downtown and shoot up another location or split up in three different locations. As of right now we are not sure whether there was one gunman or three gunmen. The germans are looking for three. But we saw that circumstance in dallas where we thought one thing and found out in the end it was just one shooter. This is all very confusing and when they put their ring of steel which is their actual strategy they use in german counterterrorism around a particular perimeter, they dont let up until they absolutely know that there is no one else involved here. It will be very interesting to see whether it turns out to be right wing extremism or an inspired amateur islamic extremist. But the fact is, in germany, they have, you know, their
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welcome back to hardball. Still waiting for the big announcement, i mean big announcement from Hillary Clinton, who shes going to pick. Shes apparently already done so and will amounnounce in the nex minutes. We are on this story. Its pure politics. Meanwhile, its been nearly 24 hours since donald j. Trump accepted the republican president ial nomination in cleveland and laid his vision of america before us. Here it is. The first task for our new administration will be to liberate our citizens from the crime and terrorism and
lawlessness that threatens our communities. So nobody again can ever say hillary yells. This guy yelled for an hour and a half last night. Less than 12 hours after that 75minute scripted speech by trump, it went off the rails. Earlier this morning at a goodbye reception, he attacked his former rival, apparently future rival, ted cruz and began relitigating old grievances. Here is trump being trump. I like ted. Hes fine. Again, i dont want his endorsement. If he gives it, i will not accept it. His father, i dont know his father, i met him once. I think hes a lovely guy. I think hes a lovely guy. All i did is point out the fact that on the cover of the National Enquirer, there was a picture of him and crazy Lee Harvey Oswald having breakfast. At one point there was an audible gasp from the crowd when donald trump began to revisit allegations of attacks against heidi cruz, the wife of the other guy. Lets watch. I didnt start anything with the wife. When i saw somebody tweeted a picture of melania and a picture of heidi, who i think by the way is a very nice woman and a very beautiful woman, i have to tell you, i think heidi cruz is a great person, i think its the best thing hes got going and his kids if you want to know the truth. If you want to know the truth. Great phrase. After a tumultuous week in cleveland where republicans achieved a fragile detante, donald trump did little to soothe their nerves. Hugh hewitt, arent you in heaven . This never quits. And perry bacon who is nonpolitical in his thinking, hes a political reporter with me. Hugh, i have to go to you. This is to me, once again, the sinatra aspect of trump. Lot of talent there, lots of brains, but this willingness at any Street Corner in any bar in any saloon, if you want to fight, hell fight. He wants to fight with ted cruz. No, no, no. No, no, no. Im sure i missed it. Go ahead. Whats the conservative thing here i dont get . This is what this is. After every major sporting event in america you have the Postgame Press conference. When lebron and kyrie come out after shattering the warriors dreams, they dont talk about next season. They talk about how they won. The republicans have this crazy convention. Katy tur said a little rocky. It was like the baja 500 of conventions. So donald trump goes out to hopkins airport with mike pence and goes back over and lays out his narrative and talks about, also introduces mike pence again and by the way, mike pence helps him whereas tim kaine is just an anchor around hillarys neck. You saw last night donald trump made a play for bernie voters. If tim kaine is that press release you get in a few minutes, bernie voters will come to donald trump or maybe to jill stein. They aint going to like this. Anyway, all donald trump did today was the post game press
conference. And he had to put the sheve in on ted cruzs father maybe having something to do with killing kennedy. He had to throw that in. He had to talk about ted cruz hitting him hard. Its like lebron talking about game seven. Its a replay, going back over the highlights reel and going forward. Let me just suggest something. I think he was piling on. Not only did he say there was a picture in the National Enquirer which is dubious to begin with. Nobody ever credits that when they write a news article. He said they had breakfast together. Now, the picture was of two people walking, one was Lee Harvey Oswald. Another could have been an hispanic guy. No reason to believe it was ted cruzs father. There is no such picture. What is trump up to . Hes putting icing on the cake here. They are having breakfast together. That clip was amazing to watch mike pence kind of looking like what is going on. Finally trump praises heidi cruz
and mike pence leads the applause. Hes relieved something normal has been said finally. It goes to the point that we keep thinking trump gave a very traditional speech thursday in terms of tone. The message was different than mitt romney would have given. Friday hes back to the normal kind of i dont like ted cruz. He was right, he definitely went into hes been commentating the campaign throughout. Thats one thing trump does. He gives his analysis of whats going on like hes in a basketball game. Yes, he did that because hes sort of annoyed ted cruz disrespected him. Theres a new thing here. Its the santa claus masks always used to be looking at you, its meant to look back at anybody. Trump has this new feature. He says one thing which gets visceral support behind him, then he says Something Else on the other side to sort of balance out, like i really think heidi cruz is blueautiful, blah blah, blah, after he posts his
supermodel wife. He covers everything over. Hes super pro israeli now, super antineocon on wars. He works both sides of the street in the same moment. How is he going to get away with that . I think thats called winning elections. He mentioned the lgbt community. That was politically correct. What made him lead to the latest state of the art phraseology . It was setting up the biggest applause line of the night which is i will protect the Supreme Court which i have now imbedded in the opening music of every hour of my radio show because that really rallies the republican base. You are absolutely right, he is reaching out for new voters, lgbtq, talking you are so state of the art. You guys on the right. First of all, i got a great question for donald trump. What did you mean by q . He meant queer. Is that what he meant . Not questioning . Hes a manhattan guy. He knows what lgbtq means. Come on. Im not sure its politically correct what you just said. It might well be. Thats what it means. He propounds the argument. We should never be politically correct and there he is correcting his text last night and adding q. I will ask perry who is really objective about this. What did you make of this . Chuck was sitting next to me, he goes wait a minute, thats different than the first draft. Somebodys checking stuff out here and cleaning it up. Well, monday it didnt happen, obviously. It seems on thursday, he is trying to broaden his coalition. Thats one thing you can tell hes doing. He wants to give the law and order message but he doesnt want to be ant antigay. Hes from new york, the Republican Party is different now, peter thiel gave the speech. I think he wants to broaden the coalition and runs more as less of the social values republican. I think that is smart of him to do that. Let me ask now that i have you in fighting mode, what did you make of Paul Manafort, the Campaign Manager in effect right now saying when i asked him why
should a woman vote for trump after trump has been so tough on hillary, the first woman candidate for president , who really has a chance to be president. And he said because they have to worry about their husbands ability to pay the family bills. Did you think that was a little bit archaic since statistics given at the republican convention, Something Like half the households in this country, maybe more, are headed by women, breadwinners, in fact, sole breadwinners. To say that a woman should worry about her husbands ability to pay the bills. Did you think that was a little odd . Yeah. I would rather hear ivanka talk about those issues. I would rather have her answer all your questions on those issues. Shes a democrat. Shes a democrat. She was very skilled. Paul manafort may not be the best person to answer those questions. How do you think the cam pab loo Campaign Looks coming out of cleveland . Hillary is like me, a lot of people, you, even, you are rather staid but you can tell a persons mood by looking at them. You can tell how people feel. Hillary looks like shes walking on air, shes so happy that this week turned out so bad. Your thoughts . Rome was always happy until the vandals arrived. Rome thought they were in charge until the germans came over. Im telling you if they name tim kaine, the happiest person in america is donald trump. The second happiest is mike pence. Thats a Milly Vanilli ticket. We will be running on that speech all year long. Is that like is this what you guys do, if given a minute on television, throw out the list . The server. You really think let me address the tim kaine thing. If hillary thinks shes leading appe and likely to win anyway, dont want to take a risky pick, warren might be risky and turn people off. How about you pick the person you want to pick . She might like tim kaine better. Thats my guess. [ speaking simultaneously ]
it was a nasty comment by mccarthy. I think tim kaine can be very comfortable as Vice President. I think Elizabeth Warren is a maverick. Shes a very dramatic champion of the antiwall street mentality right now. Very much sort of almost an insider occupier. All the way. Progressive with something to say. She doesnt want to sit in the Vice President s office. You made the comparison earlier when you talked about biden and obama have a very strong relationship. They are involved in meetings together, they are idealogically aligned. Hillary and tim kaine have the same left of center politics. You can imagine her asking advice and him giving her things she wants to know versus warren, whatever you think about her, is more left and just a different ideology. That would be kind of a ticket that has a lot of tension in it as opposed to tim kaine is like barack obama, like Hillary Clinton. I got a brilliant political guy here. Governor rendell, you are still here. Let me ask you about that convention this week. Alls well that ends well is the phrase i used last night. It was a resounding, rousing close. I thought the speech was too long by trump but i thought the last three or four minutes, it had all the red meat in it and was like that audience was on its feet, they were thrilled. The one thing they love is hating. They really love to hate. They were hating the opposition. He managed to throw all the stuff out there, including the kitchen sink and it finally worked. Ivan k ivanka was great. Jon voight was great. It was an otherwise rocky week. Who won last week . I think Hillary Clinton won by doing nothing. Look, Paul Manafort attacking john kasich on monday, that may have been the most significant thing of the entire week. Thats disastrous. It was insanity. Campaign malpractice, you name it. The popular republican governor of ohio and we are attacking him when we need to carry ohio, no republican has become president without it. That was number would be. Melanias unfortunate, she was illserved by her campaign staff, that was disastrous. To plagiarize anybodys words would have been bad but to plagiarize an obamas words, good lord. Good lord. Well said. Tuesday night, we had ben carson linking hillary to lucifer. Now, i have heard some bad things about Hillary Clinton but i have never known that she caucuses with lucifer. Wednesday, i have never seen a speech like ted cruz at a convention. I have never seen a speaker get up and absolutely d eshgdiss th nominee. Who is running that campaign . They used to call for security when somebody protested. Get him out of here Ronald Reagan would have forcibly taken him out. Great thoughts. Lets go to kristen welkee at the scene of the action in the next few minutes. Whats the word . Is there going to be an email
the next few minutes . Reporter well, we think that we will get some type of text from secretary clinton or that her supporters will in the near future, possibly within the next half hour to hour, letting them know who her vp pick is and of course, the big question is who is that going to be. I think you all have been talking about who its probably going to be, all signs seem to point to tim kaine. You guys were just talking about the rnc. I can tell you the strategy behind this rollout has been very controlled. We have been trying to break this story all day, as you can imagine, calling our sources. We have all been on the phone. They are keeping this very close to the vest. Thats always been their intention, but to some extent it allows them to create a real counterpoint to donald trump because of course his rollout of his vp was botched, i think even his campaign would acknowledge that. This sort of starts what i think the Clinton Campaign is hoping will be some new momentum for secretary clinton but certainly to create the counterprogramming to what we saw this week at the
rnc. A lot of signs pointing to tim kaine, senator, former governor from virginia and of course has Foreign Policy experience and speaks fluent spanish. He and secretary clinton get along quite well. When youre sitting at the airport waiting for the plane to take off and theres a delay and you always go up to the counter and say you know when it is going to take off. They always say i have no word on that but were scheduled to still take off, we havent canceled the flight yet. Have they been pushing, is this slipping . It was supposed to be before 8 00, the word we got. Now it sounds like it will be after 8 00. Reporter well, im not sure its going to be after 8 00 but you are absolutely right, the timing seems to be getting pushed back throughout the day. I think thats just kind of making sure that they dot their is and cross their ts. We are still expected to learn who her vp pick is in the very near future. Of course, there are always a lot of moving parts with one of these announcements because you have to let the winners and the losers know. Can cory booker still win this thing by 8 00 . Reporter okay. Based on my conversations im going to go out on a limb and say no. Thats the guidance i would get for my reporting. I think secretary clinton really likes cory booker, thinks hes a very strong force on the campaign trail but i think theres also broad agreement when you match him up against some of the other candidates he doesnt have quite that large resume that goes back years and years and years. That resume of governing which she has indicated is so important. He will. Thats right. Thats what folks are saying. He will eventually. He just doesnt right now. I hope it happens before 8 00. Stay with us. Joining me right now is democratic strategist steve mcmahon. Steve, what do you think is the smart pick for Hillary Clinton now that we dont know for sure if it is tim kaine . Whats the smart pick . I think tim kaine is the smartest pick because hes somebody that checks all the boxes if you will. Three out of the four senators, Elizabeth Warren, cory booker and Sherrod Brown are from
states with republican governors so that would be a republican would take their place in the senate. So i think thats why vilsack and tim kaine surfaced and rose, and i think tim kaine just does everything. Hes one of only 20 people in the country who served as both mayor, senator and governor. He is fluent in spanish. Hes a harvard law graduate. Hes got Foreign Policy experience. Hes been on the Senate Foreign relations committee. He served on intelligence and counterintelligence and counterterrorism. So hes a steady solid dependable choice at a time when that looks like its more important than ever. You think the language ability, few americans are fluent in anything but english. This is not a great country for learning other languages, even european languages and spanish which is right on our border. It seems to me they are going down to miami tomorrow, shes going to make announcement. It would be nice to have a guy
along who spoke spanish fluently. That would be impressive in miami. It would, and i think thats what you are going to see tomorrow. Tim kaine accepting the nomination and articulating his thanks and gratitude in spanish which would be a very nice touch. Stephanie is head of emilys list. What do you think, i was thinking about this. Its always tricky to talk about gender as Paul Manafort proved a few hours ago. I know i shouldnt but i always go right up to that edge. First time we had a partnership in the making between male and female in the white house. This is the first one. So Hillary Clinton has to pick in this case, doesnt have to pick a guy but probably is going to, a guy, a male, and they have developed, they have to get the chemistry right. I think thats really important. Thats why vilsack was a real contender in the last couple days and probably cory booker but not as close a connection. And this guy tim kaine, who looks like a guy you would want to have if you were the first
woman president or any first president , have down the hall a couple doors. Because he assumes liseems like who would quietly come in the room, give you advice, buck you up on a bad day but also have some wisdom. That sounds like what every president needs, whether its a woman or a man. Some sound advice and buck you up once in awhile. Its probably what every president would prefer. Dont nknows if they always ge those. Biden is like that, i hear. He probably is. You said this earlier, Hillary Clinton was always going to look for someone that she could work with who is going to be a partner in this. This is about the next four to eight years. She expects to win. She expects to win. Well, she knows that the best thing she can do is plan to govern. Thats what she needs to do. I dont think donald trump was thinking about the next four to eight years when he picked mike pence. Hes thinking i got a little bit of chance to be president , maybe one in three, you figure the odds, this guy might help me not blow it. With hillary, too, tim kaine is from a state she has to win. So i dont want to overstate that shes being magnanimous about this. She picks him in virginia over cory booker from virginia, Elizabeth Warren from massachusetts. Thats a parallel. Thats a common nature. Indianas a state that trump needs to win too. Yes. Exactly. Tim kaine also, we should note, was on obamas short list. He is someone who is well regarded in the party and someone who seems like a solid person who would probably not first thing as a vp, do no harm. Lets find out what incoming tim kaine, if he is the nominee for Vice President , we are hearing a lot about that, perhaps in the next several minutes it will be confirmed. Hugh, you know whats going on out there in the world of communication. Is tim kaine too small a target for the right to go after . In other words, will he be no target to hit, therefore, probably no harm done to hillary . Now look, hes the antiBernie Sanders. The moment they announce tim kaine, a bunch of people in the sanders camp fold up their
chairs, pick up their woodstock backpacks and leave for the Stein Campaign thank you. Leading the charge for the left. Somebody just cut you off. I have to go now. Hold on, hugh. Let me go to Kristen Welker with some news. Reporter we are just learning that the Campaign Including john podesta is reaching out to some of the candidates who did not make it as we speak, so those phone calls are under way. So i expect that we are going to get some real news here within the coming minutes. Hopefully before the top of the hour. But again, just learning moments ago that john podesta is in fact reaching out to the vp candidates who didnt get it. So that would suggest that the person who did get it will also be alerted within the coming moments. So we continue to monitor the situation, working our sources but we are hoping to have an answer very soon and as you are talking about there, of course all signs pointing to tim kaine. Let me go back to hugh. This is going to be like the old
miss america contest where they used to go over the third runnerup, the second runnerup, the first runnerup. Then the camera spins to the one they didnt mention and theyre the winner. This is quite a moment to get the call from the candidate for president that you are not the candidate for Vice President. But you think tim kaine will be the target of the right in what way . Because hes the antiBernie Sanders. Why is that bad . Because all the Bernie Sanders people who got all excited about going back to w d towoodstock with the napsacks will listen to Donald Trumps direct appeal to them and say come with me, i hear you in western pennsylvania, i hear you in southeastern michigan they are not for bernie up there. They are going to come and be with the change agent, not with the insiders. On this big night for Hillary Clinton and her running mate, tell me exactly what percentage of the general election popular vote jill stein will get. Tell me. Three. Okay. Thats a high but i think thats
about right. Thats about right. Let me go back to governor rendell. Is it good to be on the short list that they put out . They used to put used to put o redino and hit all of the ethnic groups and put them on the final list of potential vps. Is it good or bad to be tom vilsack if youre not picked . Great guy. I know you like him. Is it good to have yourself on the short list and not get picked . Is that good for you . Sure. It cant hurt, chris. I remember when i was d. A. And a young and up and coming d. A. And i had no intention of running for Higher Office but i wouldnt deny it because it was good publicity. In politics, any time youre considered for something thats a step up is good for pub list st tea. Good vilsack, who knows what the future holds for him but hes
gained a profile among democrats if hes the runner up here. So you were never ambitious as a kid, you were never class president . I was Vice President of the university of pennsylvania and got crushed running for president. Got crushed. What were the ideological issues back then in the 60s . The right wing or left wing of the Student Movement . Go ahead. As Vice President , for kick backs and parking, they thought i whitewashed the investigation. A future prosecutor in the making. Lets go. Who have we got now . Cornell belcher. Good readings on the Democratic Party spectrum of left to center, left and some center and a few straggling conservatives. What will be the feedback of the backlash, if there is such a thing, to this election by Hillary Clinton of a fellow moderate rather than a
progressive . You know, ive got to think that ktim kaine was a party chair. Theres probably not a lot of, you know, core democrats in the battleground states who dont have a relationship with him. I think hes a safer pick for the party than some people think. Yeah, youve got some progressives who will grom bell but tim kaine is such a solid party guy, i dont think theres going to be much backlash within the Democratic Party over such a solid pick. What did you make of those numbers in they look pretty fluid. 78 , i remember two weeks ago, 78 of bernie people who supported him in the primaries are for hillary now. Thats a very strong coming back reproach mind. Thats really strong. Almost four out of five already. Im actually not surprised by it because whats the alternative . Donald trump is begets
everything that Bernie Sanders was for. We came out with a battleground poll last week and it shows that 74 of africanamericans think that donald trump is a racist. 54 strongly think so. That word . That word. We tested that word, racist. Have you ever tested anybody he is like that . Because no, have you ever tested anybody on that word, that terrible no, because i was lucky enough not to be born around the time of george wallace. So, no. He probably would have hit the bell, rang the bell. If theres tim kaine, theres going to be some sustained criticism. What do you think it will look like as we report next week . Do you expect a nominee will there put a name in nomination to challenge him on the roll call next week in philadelphia . No. The Democratic Party is very focused on unity, particularly
after watching melania and ted cruz last week. I dont think that will happen. Hillary clinton is running a campaign that she should have run two decades ago, maybe another woman, do something that was more elections today are about turning out your base and its not clear tim kaine is the right person necessarily to really inspire the base. Thats where i think youre right. Go ahead. I actually disagree. Go ahead. To cornells point, senator kaine is very wellrespected among the base. Those are the activists. They are going to volunteer every day. Moderate women, not all democrats, republican women who live in the suburbs who may generally vote republican on Economic Issues tend to be mildly prochoice. They dont go to protests. They just are prochoice for their children, their young daughters. Right. They are. And they dont like women being ordered around by men. Thats right. You know them. Yes. Does tim kaine help with them . Hillary clinton is going to get them. Like, Hillary Clinton is going to get them. And tims a good partner this this. But Hillary Clinton is going to get that hes i just think hes a sensitive guy. Hes not a big mouth big shot like no. Hes really good. Hes easy to work with. Hes hardworking, very committed to the party and wants to do the right thing for the country. I think it makes a lot of sense. The other thing is as folks are getting calls right now that they are not going to be Vice President , its amazing that that is happening as were talking, that we had a really good pool of candidates. You think about what happened last week with the republican vp choice and what a debacle that was and here we are with some really wonderful candidates. Lets go fwook back to an is that i think is critical. Hillary clinton is picking somebody she wants, with all of the pressures surrounding you. Kristen welker, what do you have
down in tampa . Chris, just a little bit of breaking news. I heard from a Campaign Source who said its almost time. I think were very close here. Were talking about chemistry and what tim kaine brings to the table. The two were at a Campaign Event in virginia last week and i can tell you that the Campaign Surrogates watching that event very closely to try to read how these two interacted together and i think the takeaway, based on my conversation with sources, is that tim kaine was very strong, he complimented her at the same time and didnt overshadow her. There was a sense that senator warren was the star on the stage. Not the case with tim kaine. Secretary clinton, a lot of people in her circle felt really had a strong showing on that day that she appeared for tim kaine. That was part of that process as well. To your point, chris, that i heard you make a short while ago, hes someone who is a straight talker and i think can give her the advice that she needs. Thats the perspective of the campaign at least, chris. Whos nodding . Steve mcmahon, your nodding was picked up by our senior producer. Tell me, what do you agree about that . Your thoughts, steve. This is a comfort choice for her and a good political choice. With tim kaine it becomes blue and its important to the Clinton Campaign to take another state off the map. Yes. And then you can start working on north carolina. Yeah. Right. As donald trump starts this race, he probably only starts with 170 Electoral College votes and taking it off the table makes it difficult for him and narrows the Playing Field for him. Is it still a matter of picking up your state . I remember going way back when they started to lose their own states. Al gore was infamous, they lost tennessee. But nixon did not get maryland. How much goes into calculating statebystate electoral votes . Its not a guarantee but somebody like tim kaine as popular as he is, its a very strong starting point. Terry mcauliffe is the governor of virginia and pushing hard for tim kaine. Tim kaine, as weve pointed out, checks every single box that Hillary Clinton thought was important. If she wants to run on this notion as a steady leader in an unsteady time, tim kaine checks that box probably as well or better than anybody else in our party right now. Governor rendell, i love to get you in trouble. Would it have been a smarter pick to go with Sharrod Brown . Would that have been a tougher, smarter pick . No. I think for the reasons everyone said, tim kaine is a smarter pick. Look, tim kaine is not going to, as you said, generate a lot of excitement in the base but, remember, Hillary Clinton has the best base turn arounder in the world, barack obama. Do so i dont think that has to be the Vice President s role here. I think the president will be on fire. Congratulations, stephanie shir rock, Hillary Clinton will be the nominee next week. How do you feel . I have to say, ive been in politics for a while now and i thought, oh, this is just going to be like a good thing. There is really, really deep emotional movement. I have it and its happening among our movement. This is an incredible moment and we should be proud as a country. Women my age especially, because they have been through all of this. Its going to be a magic moment. Were going to continue covering this. Thanks, Kristen Welker, steve mcmahon, stephanie schriock,