Youre there. Sign out up for bloomberg politicss midday newsletter. Its called the brief and it has everything you need to know about the 2016 race each day. Thanks for having me, guys. See you tomorrow. Sayonara. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. This race is even. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Back in the saddle again. Our friend is a friend well, kind of. Hillary clinton made her first appearance back on the campaign trail today, after taking time off to rest up with her pneumonia. Shes back facing new polls that snow the wind a to the back of her opponent, donald trump. They include a brand new New York Times cbs poll out today that has the race, catch this, 4242. Meanwhile, trump is regaining
ground in battleground states. Hes up 2 in nevada. Hes up 3 in both florida and in ohio. And hes up 8 in iowa. You might say trump himself is back today, taking time off from the teleprompter to hit back at colin powell. Hit back at a pastor of a church in flynt, that stopped him talking politics in his church. And to put down Hillary Clinton for her health. The attack on powell came after some of his emails were hacked and released. Powell said with trump, he would never overcome his birther past. He called trump a national disgrace. Overnight trump tweeted, i was never a fan of colin powell after his weak understanding of weapons of mass destruction in iraq equalled a disaster. Last night, trump knocked Hillary Clinton on her health. It is hot, and its always hot when i perform, because the crowds are so big. These rooms were not designed for this kind of a crowd. I dont know, folks. Do you think hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this . I dont know . I dont know. I dont think so. Now we have one left and in all fairness, shes lying in bed getting better, and we want her better. We want her back on the trail, right . We want her back on the trail. Well, as i said, trump mocked a pastor from a church in flynt, that he visited yesterday. The pastor had interrupted trump when he started criticizing Hillary Clinton in the church. Hillary failed on the economy. Just like shes failed on foreign policy. Everything she touched didnt work out. Nothing. Now Hillary Clinton mr. Trump, i invited you here to thank us for oh, oh, okay. Not to give a political speech. Okay, thats good. Im going to go back well, that was tough. Today, trump said that reverend, that was reverend faith green timmons, was a nervous mess. Thats trump on her. Lets watch that. When she got up to introduce me, she was so nervous. She was shaking and i said, wow, this is sort of strange. And then she came up. So, she had that in mind. Theres no question about it. And ill tell you, the audience was fantastic, but she was so nervous. She was like a nervous mess. What was so i figured something was up, really. This afternoon, donald trump slammed or actually, Hillary Clinton slammed trump for what he said about that pastor. His latest target is a pastor in flynt, michigan, who respectfully asked him not to use her pulpit for political attacks. He called her a nervous mess. Thats not only insulting, its dead wrong. Reverend faith green timmons is not a nervous mess. Shes a rock for her community in trying times, she deserves better than that. And flynt zerves better. In fact, so does america. Well, none of this, of course, is likely to surprise or certainly disturb the voter now looking to vote for trump. Perhaps it will actually remind him of his brand. Well, fact is that the country right now is divided with trump on one side of what is today, september 15th, an equal divide. Joining me right now to talk about that, the Washington Post robert costa, former rnc National Committee chair, Michael Steele, and jane newton small. So trump seems to go back and forth between a teleprompter and being donald trump. What brought him back to being trump today . Because hillarys back . I was with trump all day yesterday in flynt, michigan, and canton, ohio, and i got the sense shadowing him for about ten hours that this is a candidate thats very optimistic about the polls and is going with his gut. Its his instincts right now running this campaign. Steve bannon and kellyanne conway, of course, around him. But this is a candidate driving his own ship, driving his own car. Do you have a sense that has he thinks these polls are trend . Because i heard about that today
listening to the other discussions on other programs. I keep saying, when is a blip on the screen a cycle . When does it become a trend . Something thats moving in one direction, unless stopped . Well, i said to trump, chris, as he was looking over all of these polls on his plane, they were piling up, and he reviews them very carefully. I said, well, some of the polls show you are up nationally and in swing at a times. And he looked at me incredulous, and he said, some . Some . All of them are up. So hes very confident as he looks at the data. Well see if it lasts. He thinks part of the reason is the comment by secretary clinton about Trump Supporters being deplorable. Okay. Lets go about lets talk about that with Michael Steele and jane newton small. With these polls, the New York Times the New York Times cbs poll, which closed yesterday, i believe, thats been thats barely covered the whole weekend. So it certainly went as late as tuesday night. That does cover the period of people, we were all blabbing about that. Do you think that was a changer . I think it did . Deplorables . Move people to trump column . I think the combination of the deplorable, and of course, the general feel around the campaign, the clinton campaign, people are sensitive to that. Its funny, you get beyond labor day and the dynamics in the races change. People get more connected to it. Reporters can tell you on the ground that, you know, theres a different kind of energy. And the voters are more sensitive. They pick up stuff. They dont they may not articulate it directly, but that is a sense, theres something not quite right. Thats like me in the nba. I get to decide who i like, who im rooting for, the individual players. And the regular season is too darned long. Its 82 games. Anyway, your thoughts about this. Is there something that makes this more grabable. That they actually might move now . I think theres definitely a feeling of people definitely paying attention. But theres a huge group of the silent majority, the
independents are finally sort of now really paying attention. But i have to disagree a little bit with you, mr. Steele, in the sense that, i think what hurt hillary more was the fainting spell, was the pneumonia, was sort of covering up, its all the things that people dont like about the clintons, was this sense of not being honest, not being forthright, of sort of hiding things. She blamed that im not going to be critical, but just factually, she blamed that on her staff, saying they werent quick enough, but the staff is trained by her. They know what theyre supposed to ive always said in politics, never, ever blame staff people. Because everything comes from the top. Theyre taught how to behave it stops here. Its the way it works. Anyway, secretary clinton used her first appearance on the trail today to slam donald trump as a loose cannon. I thought she worked very well today coming back from a by the way, shes not back from pneumonia, shes got it. And i thought she performed really well and strong, and i thought gutsy today. Lets watch. People accuse me of all kinds of things. You probably have seen that. But nobody ever accuses me of quitting. And i will never give up. Ill never walk away. No matter how tough the going gets. Im actually asking americans to hold me accountable for my ideas. And hold my opponent accountable for his. Are we going to bring people together or pit americans against each other and rip our country apart. Are we going to work with our allies to keep us safe or are we going to put a loose cannon in charge, who would risk everything, generations of americans have worked so hard to build . I think Hillary Clinton is shaping the battlefield. Shes setting it up, going into this debate, to be the kind of debate that she would like to win, and she should win. Preparation, seriousness, no pizazz, no showing off, no wild, crazy stuff. Simple, i know my stuff, this guys not ready, at all, never will be. And if youre talking about substance, then she absolutely wins. Wherever we talk about substantiative things, hillary does better in the polls than donald trump. Can she shape the way we look at this debate . I dont think the deplorable thing actually hurt her. I have this group of independent women ive been following the entire campaign from the various states that ive traveled to, and the independent women that ive been speaking to have said, that they actually this is a debate theyre having amongst themselves. Is it really am i deplorable person . Am i in that basket of voters that are racist and sexist and xenophobic, if i vote for trump . Whats worse, being in a basket or binder . Where do they get these metaphors from . People dont fit in baskets or binders. Whyd they say basket i never thought of people in a bactersk. Roses are in a basket. Thats the debate clinton wants people to have. This is the problem. I take your point and i see where youre going, chris you do . I do see where youre going. Im not sure i do. Im trying to figure this thing
out. Heres the rub. Heres the thing. Shes setting this up. You know, hold me accountable for my ideas. Well, this isnt that election. It has not been this election. It has this is no one is what is the debate going to be about. The debate is about actions. Youll be held accountable for your actions. That is her problem. Its a problem with the way her staff and she handle what happened on friday and sunday. It is the words that she has used to describe the american people. Similarly for donald trump, but here is the rub that really rubs them the wrong less of a price than she does. Thats called the curve. Thats called the curve. I was saying to all of you, i guess i can go back to robert now, i think the hillary people are plainly as brian said today, whats his last name . Fallon. Fallon. Brian fallon. Brian fallon said today, we dont want to be jubdged on a curve. I think thats whats going on
here. I think most people will judge us on a curve. If donald trump comes out there and is calm and serious and matches her point by point, people will say, he won. That could happen. Im just saying, i think thats what the clinton people are deadly afraid of. An even match, he wins. Trumps told me hes not doing formal debate prep, as we know. Why . Roger ailes is playing a role, not a formal role, in getting trump ready for the debates. Trump said ailes is walking him through the history of debates, how former candidates, people hes worked, nixon and others have handled the these debates. And one thing trumps working for is, does clinton attack him . He said hes ready to be the statesmen if thats the tone of the debate. Hes also ready to be the attack dog. It will be interesting to see how clinton handles him. Does she bait him, bring him out, or keep hip on a different level. Well, donald trump jr. , a top surrogate for his father was interviewed on a local philadelphia Radio Station today. He made this point about how the media treats his father versus how thaw treat Hillary Clinton. Lets watch. And the media has been her
number one surrogate in this. Without the media, this wouldnt even be a contest. But the media has built her up, theyve let her slide on every indiscrepancy, on every lie, on every dnc, you know, game, trying to get Bernie Sanders out of the thing if republicans were doing that, with they would be warming up the gas chamber right now. Thats donald trump junior. He said he was referring in that case to the capital punishment. He said hes made similar comments in the past, but normally uses the phrase the electric chair. Here he was in july. If republicans did that, it would be disgusting and thats what youll see in a clinton administration. This sort of divisiveness has to stop. They should be ashamed of themselves. And if we did that, if the rnc did that, if my Fathers Campaign did that, with they would be calling for people to get the electric chair. Any comment on that, anybody . I think, first of all, calling the media its like appealing to the refs at this point, its totally useless. Theyve actually benefited
donald trump has benefited from almost 2 billion of free media. He is essentially a beast of cable. And like of reality tv. So, to say that shes somehow benefited more than he has is sort of crazy. I want to go back to something you were talking about a emt mo amoment ago. We hear that hes at least studying the history of debates with an expert, roger ailes, the trick in winning a president ial debate, well be talking about a lot of this later on the show, well look at this with people who have studied this. The winner of most debates is not somebody who comes in there loaded for bear and makes an attack on the other person. Theyre the president or Ronald Reagan who comes on and waits for his opponent to take a predictable shot at him or her in this case, and retorts. Because the public always respects and roots for the person whos defending himself. So, jimmy carter, quite appropriately went after reagan for being opposed to medicare when it came out, and it was a debated point back in the 60s. And reagan said, there you go again. That there you go again line wasnt accurate, but it was a great way of saying, were tired of you, president carter. Were tired of you clinging to office. This is so true. Of course, lloyd benson, youre no jack kennedy. Respond to the charge, and people say, yeah, yeah, were with that guy. So how does trump get hillary to attack him . Or does he say, hillary just has to say to donald trump, well usually you address me not as madame secretary, but as crooked hillary, and then she can respond to that. It seems to me they ought to seset it up like in basketball, you call the foul. Then people are rooting for you. Your thoughts on that, everybody. Isnt that what youre looking at in preparation for these debates, to attack from a defensive position and hit them when they hit you. And one of the things trump has said to me, as a former producer, host of reality show, he understands the theatrics of television. Its not about winning on points throughout the whole hour and a half, its sometimes about the theater and maybe even one or two lines. I agree with you. Jay . The bite we replay infinitum afterwards. I think the khans highlighted the weakness with donald trump, if you get under his skin and insult him and dig at that, he cannot let it go. So hillary will try to hook him into some kind of angry retort. I noticed you were overnight the other night, donald, is that bothering you . Heres the problem, with he knows that and he understands that sensibility. And her problem will be, when he comes back. So take your example, well, you know, you said this, and he comes back, you know, you used to call he crooked hillary, and now youre calling me secretary of state, well, thats because you are crooked. Thats the danger here. I love it. I love the game. Even though the stakes are the future of this country in the world in many ways, it is a contest. It is. And theres going to be a winner. There will be. And record viewers. And Ronald Reagan proved that, with the help of roger
ailes. Yep. I wont use my opponents youth and immaturity against him. It shouldnt have meant anything. It meant everything. It defined the race. Robert costa, thank, sir, for the reporting. Michael steele and jay newton small. Coming up, a divided america. New polling from virginia shows that Trump Supporters dont really know any clinton voters if same is true for clinton voters. They dont even know any Trump Supporters. Howd this country get so starkly divided . People dont know each other anymore. Plus, another day, another excuse for the Trump Campaign about why donald trump wont, dont say cant, wont release his taxes. Today his son said its because doing so would cause too much of a distraction. Wait, i thought trump said he couldnt release because he was under audit. You mean its up to him . Well get to that. Theres a lot of contradiction coming out of that camp. And the hardest hardball roundtable will be here. And three things i dont know. Well be right there as this race has gotten as tight as a what . A drum. And my election diary on where this race stands today, september 15th. Midseptember, were already
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welcome back to hardball. The commonwealth of virginia used to be a reliable republican state, a commonwealth, of course, until barack obama captured his 13 electoral votes in 2008 and then again, obama won virginia again in 2012. Well, obama turned virginia into a purple battleground, but as the Washington Post reports today, voters there are divided far beyond expected. The latest virginia poll shows that Hillary Clinton has a threepoint lead down there. But thats not the whole story. That recent survey of virginians say that many voters seem entirely isolated from one another, living in their own bubbles in political agreement, even in an increasingly diverse commonwealth. 60 of clinton voters in virginia say they do not have Close Friends or Family Members who support trump. Three out of five dont know anybody close to them who are for the other side. 54 of trump voters dont have a Family Member or close friend who supports clinton. Why is there so much isolation between supporters of the two Major Political parties. Cornell bellster and john furerer. My dad had a friend, middle income guys, went to church
together, went to the bakery, never discussed politics. But today you go around looking for people who agree with you and invite them to supper. I think we are becoming more ideologically segregated. I think some of this started with me white flight out of the urban areas. When you look at virginia, the state we were talking about right now, you have three pockets of plu. Northern virginia, around richmond, and around the tightworth. Some of thats because of ethnicity, because of race, but a lot of it is single women who live in alexandria and arlington. They work in washington, a bedroom community, they are all prochoice and democrats. But i think social media p y plays a part in this. The more social media is a vehicle for communication, they dont have to listen to you anymore, chris. They can go on to the social media site and listen to people that are likeminded. This is but think also can watch me. I hope theyre watching you. Not necessarily a new phenomenon. I remember pauline cale said she didnt know anybody that voted for Richard Nixon in 1968. How is that possible . Three quarters geographically of pennsylvania you could walk through and not know anybody whos a clinton supporter. But then you go to philly or pittsburgh or penn state, up into center county, its all hillary. I would say in the republican party, its a little bit more interesting a phenomenon. And that is it breaks down by gender. Women do not like donald trump and men do. And thats the problem at the dinner table. People arent talking politics anymore, because they dont want to get in a big family fight. The other thing thats interesting is more educated voters are really trending against donald trump and thats a problem. Lets look at the aspects of voting. This this evening about gun ownership, you know, if you have a friend whos gay orle lesbian of course, you dont always know. Different attitudes towards hybrid cars. 71 of Trump Supporters live in gunowning households. I love that, the household doesnt own the gun, but you do. But just 35 of clinton supporters live in a house where theres gun. 74 of clinton supporters have a cl close friend or Family Member who is known to be gay orless bean. 49 of trump. Theres a big difference there. By the way, i think that numbers wrong. Im going to guess they know more gay people than they think they know. I think its a question of recognition. And 40 of clinton supporters have a friend or Family Member who drives a hybrid. 26 of no smart cars tonight right wing these days, like my wifes. What do you think of that . This isnt male versus female i think you could have seen the same thing with mitt romney and Hillary Clinton. I think the fact is, what happened with the Democratic Party is it became much more diverse are you in one of these new nothing new under the sun now pele . Every time you bring a topic up, you say, its like everything else. I think its worse than ever, because i think let me tell you, from the progressive side,
a lot of people hang out with socially, they really, really dont like trump. They really its not like theyre arguing about mitt romneys being uncool or too conservative or too big business. They really dont like the guy. I think its different than it used to be. But i think you have two visceral sort of reactions on the right. I would make the argument theres a visceral reaction to president obama that we hadnt seen before. And i is that worse than hillary . The reaction to hillary . I think they hate hillary but, no, you didnt have, hes hitler, hes a fascist, he is not even american, which is something you talk a lot about. No one says hillarys not american. And right now, i think you do see that same sort of visceral dislike of trump on the i think its very personal. And i think its counterintuitive. And i think well get a lot of voters going into that booth saying, we have to vote. We have to vote. Well get some surprises in that. Theyll have to decide. I think this race gets closer when those collegeeducated republicans come back home to
them. Thats the question, are they going to come back home . And you see trump doing that, offering some policy proposals that are not i want to learn something from you. Did the white people that go back, move back to the big cities. A lot of people love moving downtown, when the kids are gone, empty nesters. Are they more likely the liberals . I think they are . They are. The pew study that was done a year or so ago found that 77 of liberals actually want to be in smaller houses, that are closer to stores and shops. 77 or 78 of conservatives want to be in larger houses that are theyre not always. And i think thats changing. A lot of conservatives are moving back into big cities because theyre walking around. Not according to the statistics. Cornell belcher, john fieri, youre the loan conservative on the tough block. Up next, donald trump outlined his economic plan today, but how do the numbers sound . This is going to be great. Were checking out what trump is promising. 4 growth rate a year. Weve never seen it. Maybe we wont. The Trump Campaign has two more alibis for not releasing their tax returns. They keep comg up with new reasons not to do what they said they wanted. This is hardball, the place for politics. Wait. Data just changed. Now shes into disc sports. Ah, no shes not. Since when . Since now. Shes into tai chi. She found disc sports too stressful. Hold on. Let me ask you this. Whats she gonna like six months from now . Who do we have on aerial karate . Steve. Steve. Steve. And alexis. Uh, no. Just steve. Just steve. Just steve. Live business, powered by sap. When you run live, you run simple. Hey the, starting your search for the ri am used car . You got it. Just say show me millions of used cars for sale at the all new carfax. Com. But, i don want one thats had a bunch of owners just say, show me cars with only one owner pretty cool its perfect. Thats the power of carfax® find the cars you want, avoid the ones you dont plus you get a free carfax® report with every listing start your used car search at carfax. Com for four years. You named it brad. You loved brad. And then you totaled him. You two had been through everything together. Two boyfriends, three jobs. Youre like nothing can replace brad. Then Liberty Mutual calls. And you break into your happy dance. If you sign up for better car replacement™, well pay for a car thats a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. Sorry, captain obvious. Dont be. Ive got the hotels. Com app, which makes it simple to book a room for 500. Or 25, but it wont be here. You can stay with me. Thanks. Ive already lost enough today. Everyone thought i was crazy to open a hotel here. Everyone said its so hard to be a musician, but i cant imagine doing anything else. Now that the train makes it easier to get here, the neighborhood is really changing. Im always hopping on the train, running all over portland. I have to go wherever the work is. Trains with innovative Siemens Technology help keep cities moving, so neighborhoods and businesses can prosper. I can book 3 or 4 gigs on a good weekend. Im booked solid for weeks. It takes ingenuity to make it in the big city. Im milissa rehberger. Heres whats happening. Police say a man with a meat cleaver attacked two officers near new yorks penn station. The attacker was shot and wounded by police. Law enforcement officials tell nbc news the suspect identified seemed to be in the process of committing a nonviolent crime when the he attacked the officers. The fbi is sending agents from the joint Terrorism Task force as a precaution. Back to hardball. Where. Its time to start thinking big, once again. Thats why i believe its time to establish a National Goal of reaching 4 economic growth. My great economists dont want me to say this, but i think we can do better than that. Now theyre upset. Theyll be very upset, but i think we can do it maybe substantially better than that. Welcome back to hardball. That was donald trump today outlining his economic plans, saying against the advice of his own economists, that his policies can achieve 4 growth
in the american economy, a rate thats more than double the 21st century average. Trumps plan includes a 4. 4 trillion tax cut that slashes business taxes by more than half, that he says he can do without increasing the deficit. Trump also billed the plan as a new policy of americanism, saying its foundation is trade, which begins with renegotiating or terminating nafta, for example. He also attacked Hillary Clinton, saying her policies favor Foreign Countries over the american middle class. In Hillary Clintons america, she has surrendered our status as the worlds great economy and we have surrendered our middle class to the whims of Foreign Countries. The only thing she can offer is a welfare check. Well, this comes as the Census Bureau reports that 2015 was the best year of economic improvement in decades, when it comes to middle class incomes. A cnn Opinion Research poll last week also found that 53 of americans say that Economic Conditions in this country are good. Thats surprisingly upbeat. An uptick of eight Percentage Points until june of this summer. Joining me right now is robert reich, and larry ckudlow, and te author of a new book, jfk and the reagan revolution. I want to talk to you about optimism. Can we have a 4 growth rate . My god, that would create so much Economic Activity in the country above the average. Lawrence, do you believe that . Absolutely. Im one of the lesser economists in the trmp group that pushed for 4 to 5 economic growth. Im a jfk tax cutter, a Ronald Reagan tax cutter. Thats what our book is about. Those guys had 4 to 5 growth. When bill clinton finally settled in and cup the cap gains tax and had some free trade, he got himself 4 to 5 growth. Be the right policy, it can absolutely be done. And last thought, trump is
focusing on a massive business tax cut, which you correctly described. I think thats exactly where he should go. That will pick up jobs and wages and productivity and business investment, all of which, by the way, are slumping. Robert, let me ask you, first of all, when jack kennedy was president , he went into office and left office with about a 90 personal income tax rate. And he wanted to bring it down to 65 . These ranges are different than where we are right now, in the mid30s, going down below that for trump. But let me ask you, how do you put together a lowtax policy with deficits, of course, with a trade policy, which is basically protectionist. What happens when you do both . They whack against each other . I have absolutely no idea how you can do that. I have never heard of isolationism, kind of smoot holly isolationism, in terms of withdrawing from the global market, at the same time, you are cutting taxes mostly on the wealthy, and this is old
trip trickledown exhibition, at the same time, embarking on a huge military buildup. How do you do th . And at the same time, how do you get 25 million jobs and growth out of this . This is Wishful Thinking beyond Wishful Thinking. This is fairy land. Lets go to the two questions you raised there. Deficits and, of course, this problem of trade. If you go to protectionism, youre basically raising taxes on imports. You may be a little more discretionary about it, but youre raising taxes. Absolutely. Larry kudlow, are you a i thought you were a free trader. What happened to you . I am. I am a free trader. Whats trump. I have my disagreements on certain things. Hes right about enforcing deals, and i think hes also right about staying away from the pacific deal. But jack kennedy was a free trader. Thank you for that. My great, Chris Matthews, is down through the years, i cannot convince my very good friend, robert reich, that lower tax rates create incentives and rewards to grow the economy. The reason you you can didnt the reason you cant ksh. I love the guy, but hes never understood the growth model. Can i just Say Something . Larry kudlow, the reason you havent been able to convince me is because trickledown nothing is trickledown. Weve been trying, every time weve had a republican administration, starting the Ronald Reagan, we tried trickledown economics. And what happened to the middle class . I mean, median wages, Median Household Income has almost gone nowhere with regard to big tax cuts at the top. How can you keep, after all these years of believing this stuff . I mean look it. Its just going to create more deficits. Lets take a look at the most recent republican president , george w. Bush, who took us into a war we can argue about forever, and we will, and he also pushed right off the bat, a big tax cut. That left us with what happened in 2008. And i dont understand why you would brag about such a record. It brought us into barack obama to the presidency
probably. I probably dont disagree with you on the war. But bush had very small tax cuts and they were delayed and that didnt really work. The dollar crashed, which kennedy disapproved of and so did reagan. W. Didnt get it. And i understand that, but it didnt work. Under kennedy and under reagan, robert reich, incomes rose substantially. The problem is, under bush and under obama, im going to be bipartisan about this. Under bush and bobama kennedy got his tax cut through. He didnt have a tax cut record. There were no real wage increases since the year 2000, okay . Thats a fact. Im glad in 2015, incomes did better. Thats great. But theyre still lower than they were at the peak of the last economy. Not since 2000. This has to be changed. This is why america is in a bad mood. Let me ask robert. Robert, can you get in here. How does Hillary Clinton, who i soup you support, how does she get the economy operating at a stronger level . The way she does it is the
way we did it under the first clinton administration, that is public investment. Youve got to have good education, worldclass education, infrastructure, an infrastructure that is not crumbling, you have to have research and development, innovate, and make sure our companies have the capacity to innovate. This is not rocket science. We did it and that is what Hillary Clinton wants to do again and provide additional child care and make it easier Jack KennedysInfrastructure Program was defense and space and he got the government to spend money thats right i knew i could appeal to you on this jfk argument. Youre exactly right. Look, obama tried the massive government stimulus and it didnt work. Thats why this is the worst recovery since world war ii well, it got us here. The trouble with mrs. Clinton, she doesnt a tax cut plan, she doesnt have a Corporate Tax reform plan. Shes basically saying, shes going to raise taxes across the board and thats going to put us into recovery. And i defy anybody to argue with that. The trouble is that your crowd put us in the dumpster, and now youre complaining its taking too long to get out of the dumpster. Weve been in the dumpster under both crowds for 15 years. Weve got to go. This is just i want to say one quick thing. Chris, you were talking about liberals and democrats not having anybody who they know and like who is a trump supporter. I like larry kudlow and i dont understand why hes a trump supporter. Robert reich, i like you too, as always, my friend. Its not the dating game, its hardball. Thank you so much, robert reich and larry kudlow. Just kidding. Up next, the Trump Campaign has another reason now why donald trump isnt releasing his tax returns. His son said it would distract from his fathers message. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. Safety doesnt come in a box. Its not a banner that goes on a wall. Its not something you do now and then. Or when its convenient. Its using stateoftheart simulators to better prepare for any situation. Its giving offshore teams onshore support. And its empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesnt seem right. At bp, safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. At bp, safety is never being satisfied. At bp, afety is never being satisfied. Take on any road with intuitive allwheel drive. The nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. Now get 0 apr for 72 months, plus 500 bonus cash. I released mine. I think we should release hers. Ill leave it to him when to do it. Welcome back to hardball. That was paul ryan, the speaker of the house, calling on donald trump to release his tax returns. For months, the press and fellow republicans have asked trump to do the same thing. The quinnipiac poll out today shows that 75 of americans agree that trump should publicly release his tax returns. 60 , three out of five republicans say the same thing, release the returns. So far what trump has done, is release a number of excuses for why he wont. Yesterday he told fox news that he would release his taxes immediately, but only if Hillary Clinton released her emails. Lets watch him. She has 33,000 emails that she deleted. When is she going to release her emails . She probably knows how to find it. Let her release her emails and ill release my tax returns medium. And this week, kellyanne conway, his new campaign manager, said she doubted that he would make public his charitable contributions. Listen. Part of why people are calling for him to release his
taxes is so we do know how much he has given to charity. Will you or the campaign release exactly what that number is . And the reason i ask i doubt it. Why would you doubt it . I doubt it, because, this is like badgering. In other words, i dont see it as journalism, i see it as badgeri badgerism. Finally, donald trump jr. Seemed to put the kibosh on his father releasing his tax returns because of this. He has a 12,000 page tax return. That would create probably 300 million independent financial auditors out of every person in the country asking questions that are going to distract from his main message. Right now im joined by our roundtable, john stanton, hes in the middle, Washington Bureau chief for buzzfeed, colleen mccain, correspondent for the wall street journal, and sabrina siddiqui, political reporter for the guardian. This is a mound of growing alibis. First of all, he says hes under audit, so he cant do it. But then he says he can do it, but hes only going to do it if she releases her emails. Then the son comes along, donald
trump jr. , and says, well it would distract from dads message. Heres the contradiction, he says he cant do it, then says he wont do it. Why does he keep saying hell do it if Something Else says hes under audit. The question is not whether or not it will distract from his message, but if it undercuts one of the central themes of his campaign, by pointing to the weighing in which executives have skirted tax reform. So is it possible that donald trump is exploiting the same loopholes is he right politically to hide them . It could become an issue. It could become untenable for mitt romney. It did. So far, hes able too get away with it. Bernie sanders got away with it. Much lower income. He got away wit. But that may not be what hes really worried about. He came out and said, i took advantage of lobbying and giving money to politicians to get them to give me what i wanted and now im here to change the system. But of course, i took advantage of it. If he shows up where would that show up in his tax returns . It it shows up because of loopholes, not paying any taxes. Of course, you know he does that as a good american, im take v advantage of the rules and now im here to change them. But if it show hes not giving money tulo all these charities claims hes giving to, that could hurt him. Exaggerating. The other argument is hes afraid to show hes not as rich as he says he is. And thats just the ego argument. And thats probably the bestcase scenario. The little hands thing. Its like the little hands thing. Right. Exactly. It means something to him. But he managed to get away with this for a long time. In part because he was so many controversial things. We were focused on whatever controversial thing he said the last time. And now that hes using a teleprompter, we have time the guy is stubborn. Robert costa has a report, he asked him, basically, was the president born in this country and trump refuses to take back birtherism, which bothers so many people, not just
africanamericans. The statement that the president we have right now is somehow illegitimate. Thats such a core part of his following. Thats how he built himself to be where he is, by seizing on all of these supporters of his, who do not believe that this president was born in the united states. And thats not something hes going to give up. And we know that donald trump doesnt take statements back. The one time he expressed socalled regret, he refused to specify which one of the dozens of comments hes made that are controversial was the one he was expressing regret for and he didnt apologize for anything in the course of this campaign. So do we First Release his tax returns or admit that barack obama is american . His head will explode before either of those two. Earlier this week, barack obama questioned why donald trump hasnt released his tax returns. He calls himself a business guy, but americas got a lot of businessmen and women who succeeded without hiding their tax returns or leaving a trail of lawsuits or workers who
didnt get paid. People feeling like they got cheated. Hes got a whole style of irony here, that definitely works. It worked in philly, because philly thinks like that. They love this stuff up there. And obama also talked about why trump has been able to kind of get away with this. Hidings a good word. And he said, you know, in politics, voters are restless and theyre attracted to the new, shiny object. And obama said he benefited from that in 2008 and trump is benefiting from that now. And also, trump is running this whole Campaign Based on upending the rules and just kind of throwing out all the rules, not just on transparency nick kristof today in the New York Times, hes a liberal guy, smart, progressive guy. He said, why does trump get the credit, get the problems for being honest, more than hillary. How can that be . He says, look at all the facts. Theres no argument that trumps more honest than hillary. I think theres a you were pointing to the president s speech. He actually went on a tear about this issue because of the double standards he believes the media are applying to these two candidates, where anytime
theres any negative press about hillary, even if its deserved, it brings up notions about trust and transparency. When donald trump has defied all the rule, and i think it is incumbent on the media, where David Fahrenthold has done great work about his charitable giving, and the media needs to press him on that. He also just doesnt care what anybody thinks. Thats the problem. Democrats always seem to care, particularly mihillary and thes people around her. They get super secretive and i think that translates into some peoples minds as honest. Straightforwardness. Honest because he wont respond to any reasonable criticism. The roundtable is staying with us. This is hardball, the plax. Afoot and lighthearted i take to the open road. Healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. They automatically shrinkn itemthe pricesjet carts, of millions of other products. Very impressive. Whew. Its got a little kick to it. At jet. Com, were always looking for money saving innovations. Well, donald trump is jimmy fall fallons guest tonight on the tonight show and heres a preview. Can i mess your hair up . Ill be gentle. Ill be gentle. As long the answer is yes, but the people of New Hampshire where im going to be in about an hour from now, i hope theyre going to understand, okay . You said yes . Go ahead. Yes donald trump, everybody. Ill do it as well. Donald trump, everybody. Thats why donald trump is what he is and thats certainly why jimmy fallon is who he is. Catch the tonight show on your local nbc wbr id wbr31401 station tonight usually around 11 30. Well be right back after this. Hes not a war hero, hes a war hero because he was captured. I like people that werent captured ok. Donald trump compared his sacrifices to the sacrifices of two parents who lost their son in war. How would you answer that father . What sacrifice have you made for your wbr id wbr31701 country . I think ive made a lot of sacrifices, built great structures. Ive had tremendous success, i think. Those are sacrifices . b. Stop clicking around. Travel sites to find a better price. The lowest prices on our hotels are always at hilton. Com. So pay less and get more only at hilton. Com. A farmers market. Ve whats in this kiester. A fire truck. Even a marching band. And if i can get comfortable talking about this kiester, then you can get comfortable using preparation h. For any sort of discomfort in yours. Preparation h. Get comfortable with it. Enepeople want power. Hallenge. And power plants account for more than a third of energyrelated carbon emissions. The challenge is to capture the emissions before theyre released into the atmosphere. Exxonmobil is a leader in carbon capture. Our team is working to make this technology better, more affordable so it can reduce emissions around the world. Thats what were working on right now. Energy lives here. As you can see on our separate screen there, president obama is on stage at the Congressional Hispanic CongressInstitute Gala down here in washington. Hillary clinton is also expected to speak there. Lets listen to the president. Now, ive got to admit that im having trouble accepting that this is my final trip here as president. But on the bright side, michelle is not having trouble accepting it. I love you, too, but it is hard
to believe it was eight years ago i came here as a candidate for this office, and i had no gray hair. I said that we could create opportunity not just for those at the very top, but for everybody whos willing to work hard. So they could afford health care and college and retirement and give their kids a better life. What senator palin called that ho hopeychangey stuff. Well, tonight im back here as president to say thank you. Thank you for your support. Thank you for your friendship. Thank you for your tireless efforts to deliver on that promise. Because for all the places that weve fallen short, and for all the work that remains to be done, i am back here tonight more optimistic about the future
of america than i have ever been. And why not . Together, we fought our way back from the worst recession in 80 years. We turned around an economic freefall. We helped lift our Auto Industry to set new records. Our businesses created more than 15 million new jobs. Together, we declared health care is not a privilege for a few, but a right for everybody. And we have secured Health Insurance for another 20 million americans including 4 million hispanicamericans. Our High School Graduation rate is at an alltime high. More hispanic students are graduating high school and college than ever before. We strengthened our relationship with mexico and central america. And opened up a new chapter with the people of cuba. We brought nearly 200 nations together around a climate agreement that could save our planet. We affirmed that love has no limit s and Marriage Equality i now the law of the land. Just this week, we discovered how much our efforts are starting to pay off in ways that really matter to american families. Thanks, obama. We learns that last year across every race, every age group in america, incomes rose and poverty fell. The typical Household Income grew by about 2,800 which is the single biggest oneyear increase on record. We lifted 3. 5 Million People out
of poverty. The largest oneyear drop since 1968. The number of americans without Health Insurance continues to fall and in each of these areas, latino americans made some of the largest gains. The fastest income growth. The biggest drop in the poverty rate. The greatest gains in insurance coverage. Thats why all in all, hispanic families are feeling more optimistic about their prospects today than they did eight years ago. By so many measures, our countrys stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started this journey together. And we couldnt have done it without the congressional h hispanic caucus who has been with me every step of the way. Now, none of this was easy. There was some tough years in there. You had fiscal showdowns and government shutdowns and
pandemics and oil spills and pirates. You all remember the pirates . I mean, the only thing we havent had to deal with is, like, the asteroid or aliens. Thats true, good point. Thats president obama at the Congressional Hispanic Congress institute. Hillary clinton will be speaking there in just a few minutes. Anyway, time now for my election diary. Thursday september 15th 2016. So in midseptember, this wild and woolly campaign went to a dead even heat. Clinton 42 in a new cbs New York Times poll, donald trump at 42 . It went to dead even on the same day that Hillary Clinton came back on the campaign trail trying for a second time to power through her pneumonia. The same day that donald trump some say reverted to being more trump, less teleprompter taking a swing at the flint, michigan, pastor who told him to take his politicking outside and came on the same day the Washington Post used a survey to show how