Friends told the Washington Post he had been deployed to iraq three times. Matthew gerald was married and the father of two daughters. He was 41 years old. Officer Montrell Jackson served ten years in the Baton Rouge Police department. He was married with a 4 month old son. He was 32 and had been with the force for ten years. On facebook after july 8th, after days of protest, officer Montrell Jackson posted this. Im tired physically and emotionally. Disappointed in some family, friends, and officers for some reckless comments, but hey whats in your heart is in your heart. I still love you all because hate takes too much energy, but i definitely wont be looking at you the same. Thank you to everyone that reached out to me and my wife, it was needed and much disappointed in some family, friends and officers for some reckless comments, but hey. Whats in your heart. I want to send prayers to everybody affected by this tragedy. These are trying times. Please dont let hate infect tragedy. Whats in mens hearts. And until we come together as a nation, as a people to heal as a people, if we dont do that and this madness continues, we will surely perish as a people. That was the sheriff in the parish, the county that is surrounding baton rouge. It was before we knew, before the wider world knew the first of the names of some of these noise. You know, if you hear one or two shots you assume that its a shot but when you hear 25 or 30, your first assumption is that it isnt a gun. Why would someone be shooting a gun 25 times in the middle of airline. So i thought im going to grab my drink and walk over there and see whats going on and see if everything is okay. I looked over to the street and about 30 about 80 yards out was a man lying face down on the concrete and what i assumed, you know, is that it was a civilian being that he was in civilian clothes. He was just in regular clothes and he was, you know, laying on the ground. And by the time i come to and got ahold of the situation, i realized there was another man in sight that was returning towards me but he had an Assault Rifle in his hands and when he got about 40 yards in front of me, halfway between me and the other man, he turned he stopped in his place and we kind of, you know, both turned around and ran the opposite direction and he ran back the other way back towards the man and i ran back to my job site where i was at. And at this time there were no officers around. Just one man laying by the store and a couple minutes later, not even a minute, 30 seconds later, then a bunch of officers were in the parking lot and you could still hear gunfire going off and thats about the only visual i had of the situation other than just cops and s. W. A. T. Teams. So brady, when you saw the man who you said was in regular clothes, civilian clothes laying on the ground, do you think that was just a member of the public getting down to the ground to take cover, essentially, because of the gunfire . Definitely not. Anybody in their right mind, standing where i was standing, he would have realized what was going on as plain as day. This man was laying in the middle of the parking lot, ten was just a member of the public getting down to the ground to take cover, essentially, because body camera. Their investigation. We are just now getting into both the website and the twitter feed, and i will update you when we have more. Were going to talk more about that scene in kansas city that we have been watching live. Tara hall is with kshb, kansas city. Suspect is believed to have some connection too. He refused an interview. Mess arrived on the scene, they took that man into custody. Were not sure if he was taken into custody or for a formal arrest. Were going to take a break in our coverage, well be right back. The president of the Cleveland Police patrolmans union asked governor kasich the right to publicly carry guns during the convention in cleveland. There is very passionate people on both sides of the speck truck. The last thing we need is to introduce weapons into that. So were reaching out to our leadership. To governor kasich. If he cant do it, he can help us. Governor kasich saying ohio governors do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal or state Constitutional Rights or state laws. Nbcs Jacob Rascone joins us with the latest. We saw today the first open carry protest, but only one person showed up. He showed up with his rival and a handgun said he wanted to make a statement. Now you heard the president of the Association Talk there, and then the governor saying he doesnt have the power. We also spoke to the deputy chief. They say theyre well aware of the groups planning to bring their weapons. A lot of officers say what theyre most concerned about is those bringing concealed weapons which, if anything, will go horribly wrong. That is the case. I want to quickly show you over here. This is a list of items you cannot bring inside here. They include firearms, knives, explosives, fire works, baseballs, umbrellas, even whole fruit. That is in the secret Service Secure zone. In the event zone, you can bring firearms but not any of that stuff, so you may be looking at some video, a protest earlier today, a trial run. A lot of anger and protest with the protestors. Here is what one said. Trump is one of the reasons we came, but it is bigger than trump. It is about hillary, aka killary clinton. Neither one have served the needs of the oppresses, the marginalized. So youre going to hear a lot of voices during this week. You have 123 permits to protest granted. You have all sorts of groups coming, and police did everything we expected them to do. They kept their distance until they got close to downtown and then they turned them around. Speaking to the officers in charge of the investigation there, gabe . Yeah, the superintendent from the state police and the Baton Rouge Police chief. They are reiterating this was an ambush. This gunman wanted to target Police Officers and that it had no connection to the previous case last week where they announced several arrests regarding a lot to kill Police Officers. They say it has nothing to do with that. Lets take a listen to our conversation with those heading up the investigation. What can you tell me about the investigation . Did the gunman act alone . What we do know is it was very chaotic earlier this morning. Active shooter scenarios were going out. A lot of people thought we had additional shooters. That was not the case. We know the individual that the Police Officers shot and killed was the individual that shot those officers. Here is the deal though, there is a lot of moving parts. It has been so critical not to name names at this point. We have investigators on the state and local side, we dont want to put them in harms way. We have not given out any information because were working very closely with the chief and the sheriff and we want to make sure we keep them safe. Well be thorough, well get the information as we move forward. It is nude, sensitive, and still a lot of moving parts. Early on, the mayor referred to this as an ambush style attack. Is that what it snfs. We believe they were specifically targeting Police Officers. A lot of moving parts out there, but the use of the word ambush, there is no doubt in my mind that was the case as we saw what unfolded. A horrible, graphic situation. Seeing my brothers, talking to the family, a very, very sad situation. We need the thoughts and prayers of the nation now. We need it in baton rouge. Federal Law Enforcement officials revealed the name of the suspect. He seems to have left quite the digital trail. What can you tell us about that, how much are you looking into it digital trail. We have not named the suspect. We have seen it on tv, but we want to do it from fingerprints and Everything Else involved in this. This is a complicated case. Were going to do everything we can to make sure we know everything about this particular gentleman. That is what is point to us. Just because of the fact he was shot and killed at the scene doesnt mean the case is over. E want to make sure he was not working with anyone else, that no one else was involved, and that the Police Officers working the case are safe. A question that has surfaced is the initial 911 call that came in, was that someone trying to lure Police Officers or someone reporting based on the initial phone call that came in, it was someone calling in, a guy with a gun. That is all they said, but there was witnesses at the scene calling in also, you can see that on the tape, so right now there is no indication they were trying to lure someone here. So that initial person calling 911, thaw just saw someone with a gun and they call itd in . That is what we believe. And were shots fired before the 9 11 call, or did the person just see someone with a gun . A lot of moving parts. I want to be careful, but the shots came after that phone call was made and into police communications. How heroic were the officers that got in the gunfight with that suspect as they rolled up to the scene. Did he fire i dont even know it heros is the word, they were beyond that. To watch it unfold, the Police Officers, clearly hero is a good word, but there is something, basically, good basic grammar and english language, but the situation is if i can ask you about officer jackson, what can you tell me about him. He had been on the force for ten years and he had a young child . Montrell was a very good Police Officer. He would do everything for you. Soft spoken but a big man. A big heart. I just talked to him a couple of days ago in the district and he was trying to lift me up. So that just tells you about his character. Matthew, he has not be here that long. He had been in Law Enforcement at another agency for a little while. A great officer, just ran to the gunfire instead of away from it. What can you tell me about the other officer . That was matthew, just got out of the academy several months ago. He was on his own now and was doing really well. Like i said, you know these they were above heros. Serve running away from the gunfire, and these guys were going to it. What can you tell me about the sheriffs deputy that was killed and the one that remains in Critical Condition. I think there was some confusion about the number. There was two Baton Rouge Police officers lost today. One is injured. I had a deputy killed at the scene, another who is in very Critical Condition and is fighting for his life now, and a third who is undergoing a surgery and will have two more surgeries, but he is expected to live and he is in the hospital. All three of these deputies, all of them, family men, have children. They are just good guys. Just trying to do their jobs at Public Servants out here, serving the public. The mother of the deputy fighting for his life right now, she told me tonight when he got home last night they were talking. He stopped on the side of the road to help a lady change a fire for two hours. Just the kind of guys you want in Law Enforcement. Those that come in here and have a true Servant Heart and a true servant mentality. Great Public Servants. Can you say how many times he was shot . Two times in the torso and one time in the head. I appreciate you taking the time, colonel, is there anything else you would like to add . No, they were incredible and extraordinary. I guess the larger question, the other thing is as well, just last week you were talking about announcing several arrests for stolen weapons and at the time you said you believed it was part of a plot to kill Law Enforcement officers, this doesnt seem connected in any way to that. No reason to believe that is connected to this. What happened at that pawnshop, that was a Police Officer getting to scene fast enough to be able to arrest the individuals as they left the pawnshop. They said theyre intention was to use the guns to hurt Police Officers. So a lot of different things, but we do not believe the two cases are connected. Thank you very much, i appreciate your time. Good luck to you guys. Chief, thank you very much. Thank you very much, i appreciate your time. Were learning more about those officers that were killed as well as the injured. And the key take away from that interview as well is initially there had been a concern that perhaps that 911 caller may have been involved, may have had one theory floating around, perhaps that person was trying to lure officers to the scene. We now know that was not the case. We believe the gunman was acting alone. Still the investigation is ongoing and theyre checking to see if there is anyone that knew of his plans along the way. An extraordinary interview with the leaders of these investigations. You had the state police colonel. They have never been through a night like this in louisiana. This kind of loss of life, how are they holding up . You observed with other Police Officers under this kind of stress and other stories around the country and situations like this. Theyre going there a day like they have never been through a day in their lives. Yeah, a very difficult day for them. They took time out of the investigation to speak with us. They seem visibly tired. We spoke with them before and he has been through tragedies before. The theater shooting here in louisiana, and just a few weeks ago, the alton sterling investigation, they were daeing with a lot back then. But this is really hitting home for them. Three Law Enforcement officials, three Law Enforcement officers shot dead. Several others fighting for their lives. And yes, it has been a very difficult day here in baton rouge and for Law Enforcement across the country. Thank you very much for joining us with that important interview, really appreciate it. Were joined now by malcolm nance. Also eugene odonnell. A former Police Officer with the new York City Police department. Eugene, i want to go to you to get your reaction as a former Police Officer yourself. The facts as they have been developing tonight in this case. Bluntly, this man, this shooter, apparently was in dallas. Is there a larger group of people traveling inner state that are not civil rights people, but people who are up to no good. So Law Enforcement will have to ramp it up and look backwards now at these events. Identify people there not there for legitimate reasons, but because they planned to cause disruption, or theyre planning in the future, this is a person that does not belong in dallas, and does not belong in baton rouge to be sure. I took a look throughout the day. Theize logical spectrum that this individual was trying to foster on the internet. His ideological spectrum. He was associated with some antigovernment groups. What it was that drove him over the edge . Did he intend to reach a global audience beyond the immediate victims . So i really, really would like to know more about what was going on in the shooters mind and exactly who and what he thought he was doing this act for. And for officer Montrell Jackson, we have a Facebook Postthat went viral last week, after three days of trouble and disturbance in baton rouge where he worked as a Police Officer after the Police Shooting and killing of alton sterling there. I read that Facebook Post in full at the beginning of the show tonight, and he talked about the difficulty of those three days. He talked about, the first line was im tired physically and emotionally. He very directly expressed his sympathies to Alton Sterlings family. You see the complexity of his life. That black Police Officers life in that community over the period of this controversy. And all of the strains from every direction from his job, from the department, from his friends, people he thought were his friends, and it is a telling confession about police life today. It is a job that puts you in conflict. That is something you have to traverse. The cops are not the fire department. They have a job to tell people things they dont want to do. So there is a friction involved. Every cop in the country, generally, is experiencing a level of in your faceism. People flashing cameras in their face, people part of this agency, but this is not a monolithic. They have to do the difficult job, and not become delicious. That is not always easy to do but the country is getting a perspective on the best kind of mindset, putting the community above self is really reflected in this post. Everything we have been reading about the shooter indicate thats no matter how peculiar his beliefs might have been, he had a lot of beliefs held by millions out there that dont do this kind of thing, there is also evidence all around of him being mentally disturbed. That seems to be true of the dallas shooter. These are both military veterans, both of whom have served in iraq. Is there a contagin that could affect a vulnerable mind like the person doing this today. Im almost sorry you asked the question. It will not manifest itself. After the dallas shooting, did he have fellow travelers, in fact like the type of terrorism you see over seas, this can inspire other individuals who may have their own personal desires, messages, their own mental defects to carry out a revenge shooting in the same way. Well get information about some of the motivations of this particular shooter, but are we have we created a Chain Reaction of individuals who may start taking actions in their own hands that have nothing to do with the social movements and social protests and all see themselves lengthed together through their personal i trained Law Enforcement by the puns every month. Let me tell you if that were to occur, you would really see a state of seeing among the United States police force. Unlike the seeing they think theyre under with civil unrest and civil disobedience. Thank you both for joining us, really appreciate it. 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Five days ago, i travelled to dallas for the Memorial Service of the officers slain there. I said that killer not be the last person that makes us turn on each or, nor will todays killer. It remains up to us to make sure they fail. That decision is all of ours. The decision to make sure that our best selves are reflected across america. Not our worst. That is up to us. We have our devisions and they are not new. Around the clock news cycles fuel this. And that is why it is so important that everyone, regardless of race or political party, or profession. Regardless of the organizations youre part of, everyone focus on words and actions that can you unite this country. A bullet need only happen once, but for peace to work, we need to be reminded of its existence again and again and again. Only we can prove through words and through deads, they need to be divided again and again and again. Thats how the country gets united. That is who we have the capacity to be, and that is the best way to honor the sacrifice of the brave Police Officers taken from us again this morning. The president ial campaigns were supposed to be the big news today. A new poll with a margin of error of 3. 1 Shows Hillary clinton at 41 , donald trump at 5 , gary johnson at 11 , and jill stein at 6 . Mike pence and donald trump did their first interview together tonight, but if you want to hear from mike pence, you will have to wait until he did one without donald trump. Do you agree with that. In indiana we suspended the Syrian Refugee Program in the wake of the terrorist attack. We have no higher priority than the safety and security of the people of this country and donald trump is right to articulate that view. In december you tweeted calls to ban muslims from entering the u. S. Are offensive and unconstitutional. So well call it territories. Wont let people who come in from syria when people dont know who they are. Steve, apparently not a lot of rehearsal before the interview. Mike pence doesnt seem to know that donald trump moved off of the banning of muslims to the bannings of countries. And so mike pence leaps in with yes, i agree on the muslim ban, and then donald trump says no, you dont have to. Remarkable. It is always something that a president ial candidate has to do, the positions dont align across the board. Often times, you they talk about it as vodoo economics. This is one of the day one things. Here is what he gets to say when they say this or that about the disagreement. All of the questions asked tonight are not particularly difficult to rest at at. Clearly no preparation. And it is interesting when you thbt about what his Vice President cy task is. Really the modern era. The Vice President s power flowing directly from his relationship with the president of the United States. Other than that, he just has to be president of the senate. Lets look at Something Else they should have seen coming. The question about john mccain and apparently they didnt rehearse this either. Do you think he is not a hero because he was not captured. Do you think he went too far. You can say yes, i like john mccain, but we have to take care of our families. Katherine, you can say yes. I can. That is so every time that pence opened his mouth, trump stomped on him. Pence said Something Like he makes decisions with his heart, and he kept emphasizing trump is a good man, a good man, makes decisions with his heart, and trump cut in and said my heart and my head. Remember my heart and my head. Even at that point when it seemed like they kind of had a game plan going, trump still didnt let him go on. And 60 minutes is big, a big question they should have seen coming about how mike pence voting on the iraq war. We went to war, we went to iraq. We ent to iraq that was handled so badly. That was a war we should not have been in. Your running mate voted for it. I dont care. What do you mean you dont care . It is a long time ago and he voted that way and they were mislead. But you harped on this. The war in iraq from the beginning. You used that vote of hillarys that was the same as governor pences as as an example of her bad judgment. Im one of the few that were right. He is entitled to make a mace take once in awhile, but she is not. Another great moment that he never got to discussion. Yeah, he has beaten Hillary Clinton like a trump on this issue. He used it effectively in the republican primary, and i think he shattered the orthodox. We discover there is a republican elector rate that is very much opposed to the interventionalism that we have seen. I dont think we will be reiterating the iraq war, but it could have been avoidable. And joking that his vote on the iraq war doesnt matter, but i dont think he was joking. I thought he was saying his other qualities overwhelm this one lapse of judgment, and with Hillary Clinton, it doesnt fit in his narrative. Well take a quick break and youre supporting the Transpacific Partnership that mr. Trump says would rape this country. Now, are you going to be able to go out in support of his protectionist positions . Well, i support free trade, and so does donald trump. I do. Oh, no, im not an isolationist. A lot of people think i want to make good deals i want to make good deals for our country. We have deals like nafta, one of the worst things that ever happened to this country in terms of trade, in terms of economics. So kathryn, if you think donald trump wants to undo the trade deals because he has said he wants to undo the trade deals, he just told you tonight, these are stupid people that think that. Well, i thought he was saying that it was stupid people who think that hes an isolationist or something. She said to him, you want to undo these agreements. And he said these are stupid people, these are stupid people that think that. So the antecedent is undoing the disagreements. Yeah. I would say trump changes his positions day to day, but its more like minute to minute. Which is why i think of him as a rorschach test more than anything else. In this particular instance, pence has been on record, hes tweeted about it, hes given speeches about it, as being protrade, pro tpp, pro nafta, various other existing policies that trump has condemned as stupid i cant quite keep up. And i dont know how theyre going to reconcile these two things. Prior to the unveiling of mike pence, can a vp selection help donald trump . We now have a couple of days of evidence about how this is going. Has mike pence helped donald trump . Do you see how mike pence can help donald trump . Vice president ial candidates can matter, but voters choose the top of the ticket. They dont vote for a team, and they certainly dont make a vote on the basis of who the vp candidate is. When he picked mike pence, he made a strategic calculation that the Campaign Needs a washington insider, we need to unify the party, mollify all the unsettlement in the congressional caucuses in washington, d. C. That hes run against from the first hour of his campaign. He made a deliberate decision to say im not going to pick the two people that were on my list that were the most effective communicators. You may disagree with Chris Christie and newt gingrich, but both of them were going to be more than a handful for the Vice President ial nominee in the debates and they were sure to give pretty good speeches at the convention. And they were going to be able to frame an attack on Hillary Clinton and the status quo and to be forceful advocates as communicators for the change message that donald trump is going to have to drive to be successful here. So over the course of the campaign, the hurdle that donald trump has to clear is one of plausibility. He is a plausible commander in chief . And beginning with the pick of a Vice President ial candidate, through the nominating speech and the three debates in the fall, there are basically five tests that establish or not establish that fact in the eyes of american voters. Thus far, has the mike pence pick has the mike pence pick invigorated the campaign, has it closed the gap . Are average americans excited about the pence pick . No. I think the christian conservatives will mike it. Christian conservatives are motivated to come out and vote for donald trump on the basis of Hillary Clinton being on the ballot. Mike pence is not going to drive turnout for any faction of the republican base. Hillary clinton does that. Mike pence helping at all . I think i actually think on the conservative christian right, he could make a difference, given that he has a lot of credibility in terms of trying to take down planned parenthood, which is an issue that has been a liability for donald trump since he has actually praised planned parenthood. And beyond that, you know, he seems safe. He seems more grounded. Well leave this there. Thank you both. Msnbcs coverage continues after a break. T welcome back. We have been in braeaking News Coverage for most of this day because of the news that greeted us from baton rouge, louisiana. The deaths of three Police Officers there. We had a briefing from politicians, statewide politicians. Law enforcement at the state and local level. Here is how they put the order of events. Not active shooter scenario in baton rouge. No active scenario that involves a shooter in the city of baton rouge. We do believe that the