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Hawaii. An Emergency Alert that read Ballistic Missile threat inbound hawaii, seek immediate shelter, this is not a drill. State Officials Say it was a false alarm. A mistake. The change of shift is about three people, 24 7, eighthour shifts. That should have been caught. It should not have happened. That coming into us within the last hour. While it may have been a false alarm, you can guess the fear was real. When we got the alarm, we were actually terrified. We were on the 36th floor of our hotel. And we didnt know what to do. We were kinda frantic. Just started running. We went to a concrete building. People were running on the street, all desperate. A short time ago, new york republican congressman dan donovan tweeted, im following the issues with the hawaii Emergency Alert and as chairman of the committee on emergency preparedness, ill be looking into what happened. Im holding a hearing on february 6th, and this among other important Emergency Alert issues will be addressed. Congressman donovan joins us now. As youre getting the information as we are here, coming out of the state of hawaii, the administrators you heard there, taking responsibility for what happened there at 8 05 a. M. Local time. 15 minutes later is when they then also put out a tweet saying the Emergency Alert was wrong. But you had the 15 minutes of folks running, as we see here at the university of hawaii, scared. What do you hope to do february 6, sir . Were going to examine we had this planned before todays incident, richard. We have witnesses from fema, integrated public alerts and Warning Program coming to testify. Folks from the fcc, the Public Safety bureau, public stakeholders and private sector witnesses. And even before this terrible mistake today, we were going to examine alerts and make sure theyre reliable and that the public can have confidence in them and to make sure the alerts are getting to the citizens of our great nations. So this was all planned beforehand. I understand the fcc will launch an investigation about todays incident, but were going to look at the program as a whole and making sure that the reliability is there and the people have confidence in it. One of the tough questions that i know youll be consideri considering, and Jacob Soboroff has been reporting on this very system, the message filtering down from fema, where the Emergency Alert came from. Do you see as a potential option, not to have state agencies being responsible for these Emergency Alert this last mile, if you will, of the Warning System . I dont want to jump to a judgment yet until we conduct our hearing, and explore possibilities with the witnesses. And i want to explore the possibility, how did such an alert go out with one human being being able to touch one button, even if it was by mistake. Many of our systems have controls in place that prevent mistakes, whether it be more than one person having to be participating in sending out something, or whether there has to be some code that was first put into place before you could touch that button. So these are many of the things we have to explore, and certainly after todays incident, the hawaii mistake is going to be probably a central part of the hearing. Sir, are you aware of the systems that vary across our 50 great states . Does each state have a different process by which they would decide whether or not to push out these Emergency Alerts . I believe they do. Its a separation between federal government and the states. And the states certainly have their responsibility to their citizens in pushing out alerts. And theres not one main, Central Standard that im aware of. Whether or not there should be one, i dont want to jump to conclusions until we have the february 6th and hear from the expert at that hearing and each of the hearings ive conducted as chairman of the Homeland Security committee has always ended in some type of report and recommendations to those on the ground. Well do the same after this is conducted. Now you have another major example and issue to discuss. What was your thought about the strength, about some of the improvements that you wanted to make with our Emergency Alert system across the country and these state responsible agencies related to that . We want to make sure that mistakes like this dont happen. Ive been following your reporting, richard. The fear that was instilled in the people of hawaii. Im watching the people from the campus of the university of hawaii running. You can imagine being separated from our family and not knowing where your family is. You can imagine if people back here in the mainland knew they had relatives on vacation in hawaii, aside from the residents of that great state. One of the objectives of the hearing was, first of all, to make sure were getting the alerts out to our citizens, making sure that theyre reliable, that people can have confidence in them. But certainly now, with this blaring mistake, making sure that we can prevent mistakes like happened today. Something i was talking about the last hour, when we watch video like this, and we are discussing the potential panic, we listen to some of those who were in hawaii just moments ago. It reminds us of those unfortunate decades of the cold war. And the very systems that, in fact, have been revved up, energized within the last two or three months in the state of hawaii, the last time they were used was during the cold war. Do you believe and please say whatever youd like, sir, but do you believe that the inefficiencies that have come out today, in our system, gives north korea potential intel about how we operate that may not be to our advantage here . Yeah, the North Koreans are watching this and certainly making judgments about our abilities to protect our citizens, our ability to react to their throeat to our nation, the entire globe. Im old enough to remember when we used to get underneath our desks in school with the radar drills. I am too, sir. And now im watching your reporting and some of the video youre showing are people placing children down man holes. So it was a terrible thing that happened in hawaii, but, yes, you are absolutely right. The North Koreans are watching this. Im sure theyre probably gloating over what happened today, and this doesnt help us in our efforts to protect ourselves from our enemies. I think what also should be assessed, though, is, what was the reactions . Was the emergency people on the ground in hawaii, what efforts were they taking, what were they doing, once they thought the threat was real, because thats another thing we want to judge to make sure that if this was in fact real, did we do the proper things in protecting the citizens there . Those are the questions that youre going to be asking february 6th, if my memory serves me right, when youll be addressing this. Appreciate your expertise here, dan donovan from new york. Thank you. Good to be with you. Thank you. Nbc News Pentagon correspondent hans nichols joins us now and hes been watching this story all throughout the afternoon here, all morning there local time in hawaii. And hans, as youve been watching along with us, we now see the administrator from Hawaii Emergency Management Administration saying, it was my fault. Of course hes taking full responsibility of whatever happened. What else have we learned in the last hour . Weve learned theres been a short review and the secretary of defense has been fully briefed. They have confidence in the systems, the Warning Systems that are in place on the dod side. Thats according to a military official. When you look at what the Defense Department does on an actual launch lets be clear, this was a false alarm, but on an actual Ballistic Missile, they have to make a decision within minutes on whether or not theyre going to activate any number of antimissile systems out there and try to knock it down. Secretary mattis has told me, they usually make that determination, which direction the missile is headed in, they deem it not to be a threat. Again, this is done in minutes, under five minutes. And in the past, they have yet to activate Ballistic Missile defense, their intercepts, an aegis system or something thats landbased. They never give us a readout on why they decide not to shoot down a missile. But the groundbased intercepts, from alaska and california, dont have a high success rate. Theyre basically batting about 50 , which is not the kind of success rate you want to have when you have potential incoming missiles. Thats part of the reason, richard, why you saw President Trump ask for an additional 4 billion in an end of year shortterm budget request and he did get that additional money. Hans, if anybody knows, you do, there at the pentagon, any word, any discussion about any mobilization, discussion of mobilization based on what happened in hawaii, either from the tip of the spear in guam, or as you were just discussing, there in california, the west coast and alaska . No, not at all. And ill tell you why. Because their systems didnt detect anything. For there to be mobilizations, and they trust their systems. They have a great deal of confidence. Remember, theyre looking at missile in its boost phase, its initial minutes, as it throttles towards the atmosphere. They make a determination where its headed in the initial minutes. They didnt see anything here because its a false alarm. Theyre saying check with everyone in hawaii, check with state and local officials, its not a pentagon matter. And they have utter confidence in their systems. Thanks so much, hans nichols, in washington. Thank you, sir. Lets go to Jacob Soboroff who is there in hawaii, was reporting on this very system over the last two days. And since the very beginning of this it was four hours ago, right, jacob, when this all began . You also saw, again, burn miyagi come out and you were speaking with him too. Thats right. I was in the office with the administrator of the Emergency Management agency of hawaii less than 24 hours ago, as he was explaining to me, this system, it went so badly wrong today, is supposed to actual work. To reiterate, the Governors Office has confirmed that this was the push of a wrong button by a human being who sits inside, basically in a control room, within a bunker, within diamond head crater here, on the island of oahu, inside hawaiis Civil Defense. This is a system thats designed to basically notify Civil Defense, to tell hawaiians to take cover in the event of a detected Ballistic Missile launch from north korea or elsewhere. This was not triggered because of a notification from the u. S. Military. It was a human error. Yesterday inside that bunker, nbc news exclusively was given a look at how that system is supposed to operate and heres some of that footage right now, richard. Take a look. What happens here . Can you explain to me again what you were telling me before . Yeah, the call comes in from pay com, which is a secure line. Pacific command . Exactly. They notify our warning officers. The warning officers then have to make a decision rather quickly to do they have a check list on the side, and they go down the check list, but important is the decision to activate the statewide siren system. Reporter so the decision has to be made to activate the stayed wi statewide sirens. Pay com means Pacific Command. This was a shift basically a shift from one group of individuals to another, in a room thats manned 24 hours a day. Instead of pushing a button to test the system, they pushed the button to launch Text Messages out to the people across the state of hawaii. If the control room can look at some footage of the phone that the call is supposed to come in on, again, thats not what happened today. We saw people running in the user generated footage. Its extraordinary to to see and hear miyagi take responsibility for it. He wasnt the one who pushed the button, but its his administration that handles that. We always said, youre always in the right place at the right time. Here you were there at paccom, based on what has happened today. In your discussions as we look at this video, this is exclusive video that you got a hold for us, did they discuss how they handle false alarms like this, or mistakes like this . Well, i mean, the bottom line this, is this is not supposed to happen. To have a text message that says, this is not a drill. Theres a detected incoming Ballistic Missile, is just an absolute worst case scenario, made much morse by the fact that you had highlighted with senator schatz from hawaii, that it took 38 minutes, twice the amount of time that it would take for an actual rocket to get here, for a correction to go out to say that was a false alarm. Think about the school kids that had to run and take cover, the families, people that were praying in their bath tubs. The senator himself said that hes not willing to make the judgment call quite yet, but theres a big question here, should that button remain in the hands of hawaii civilian defense . Should they be the ones to alert the people of hawaii, or should it be in the hands of of the United States military, which obviously did not sound the alarm today, richard. Jacob soboroff in hawaii, not too far away from Pacific Command. He was describing well have him back later and have more exclusive video from the command center for us. Jacob, thanks so much. He was asking the question, who should be in charge of these Emergency Alerts . Well get a sense potentially of that. What does the white house think . What does the president think after he was briefed on this . Well get a potential idea on that when we go to Kelly Odonnell after this. Up to a gillette shave. 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Children getting into man holes, doing exactly what an Emergency Alert said to do. Seek immediate shelter. This at the university of hawaii, this video in to msnbc within the last hour, as we see at around 8 00 local time, folks running. 8 05 a. M. Is when they got the warning and they only had, if a missile indeed was launched, 20 minutes. But at the end, it turned out to be human error. There was no missile threat. The question, what was the reaction . And the white house getting briefed on it. The president being briefed on it. Lets go to nbcs Kelly Odonnell with some of the latest. Did the system work, who was asked before they put out this Emergency Alert, and how should it work . Reporter well, there will be an afteraction report, and it seems at this point, that the governor of hawaii level, hes taking steps to review the procedures. The white house has told us, this was a statecontrolled issue, meaning there was not a direct involvement of the federal government. Perhaps thats why we have not heard from the president yet, who, President Trump frequently says the number one issue is the security of the American People. And as you explained, there was no actual threat today, but there was a perceived and feared threat for an interval of time when people got this alert and before they were assured that everything was okay. Weve not heard from the president , he has tweeted in the last few minutes about the book that got a lot of attention, that portrayed him in an unflattering light and using his fake news attack. So the president is in front of his twitter feed and is, you know, able to communicate directly to the American People, which is what he said he likes to do with his twitter feed. But weve not heard any comment from him about the concerns the hawaiian people felt today, what went wrong and so forth. Based on what weve learned from white house officials who at first directed us on the department of defense, because the Pacific Command is in hawaii, and theyre in sort of the first line of organization militarily had there been an actual threat from north korea, for example. So the president visited paccomin november, went through the procedures. Again, this appeared to be an error at a state level, so the federal government may not have direct knowledge of what to say at this point. The white house may not want to get involved until further information is available about what went wrong and how it could be prevented. But it is notable that beyond telling us that the president was briefed, he was at the golf course, as he so often is on weekends when especially when hes traveled to florida, and he went back to maralago. But no other communication from the president about the 40 minutes of fear that many hawaiians experienced because of that alert. So we still await to hear from the president directly on this issue. Richard . Nbc White House Correspondent Kelly Odonnell with the latest on what happened and the reaction in hawaii. A scary bunch of minutes for at least 1. 4 million americans as they thought they were under the threat of a missile. When we return, well take a break and look at whats happening in the beltway, the issue of democrats now planning to pursue efforts to censure the president following his alleged derogatory remarks about immigrants. Well ask democratic congresswoman barbara lee whether she thinks the resolution will get enough bipartisan support along the way. [ gasps, laughs ] you ever feel like. Cliche foil characters scheming against a top insurer for no reason . Nah. So, why dont we like flo . She has the name your price tool, and we want it. But why . Why dont we actually do any work . Why do you only own one suit . Its just the way it is, underdeveloped office character. Youre right. Thanks, bill. No, youre bill. Im tom. You know what . No one cares. Dont press the wrong button. That we got a freaking bomb coming, yeah, please. I dont know, yeah. You know, how in the first place they gonna drop a bomb . Leaving here, saw somebody feeling secure all the time. Got bomb alerts. People in hawaii reacting to that false alarm that happened about now six hours ago there in hawaii. This as the question was, was a missile heading their way . You can see video of those who reacted to the warning that said take cover. I want to bring in democratic congresswoman from california, barbara lee, and, representative, we look at the state of hawaii there, for your state of california, also very much concern. This the question of a potential missile from north korea, 20 minutes, it said, to reach the state of hawaii, but 38 minutes to reach the state of california. So certainly a conversation that you must undertake here in there, representative. Whats your reaction so far from what youve learned . First of all, my heart goes out to the people of hawaii. It is just so disturbing that this took place, and it appears that it was human error. But the fear that this generated, and the concern really requires us to insist on a complete and thorough investigation. It also speaks volumes as to what methods are in place in terms of failsafe methods and making sure that human error doesnt occur like this and that all of our commands and the administration and the pentagon, even though they say its not the pentagons responsibility. We do have a responsibility, i think, to make sure that systems are in place and this type of false alarm does not occur again because, you know, i remember, richard, i was in high school, during the cold war and i remember these drills where we had to get under the desks. They were scary. Even knowing they were drills. So this is something that people shouldnt have to go through. Weve gotta get to the bottom of it, and we must insist on an investigation. Yeah, we both from the bay area. I went through the same exercises and do remember them well. I want to turn now to something that has got a lot of attention within the last 24 hours, in addition to what just happened this morning, and that is the issue there of the president and his remarks, that as he was alluding to those from haiti, the country of haiti and those of the 50plus countries that are on the continent of africa. And when he used that word shithole, which nobody wants to hear that expletive, ive never had to say it, but now the reaction, headlines saying, is this president racist . Local papers using that word in their headlines. What does this mean for what was supposed to be the discussion immigration, and daca . Sure, and let me just say, these remarks these racist remarks, of course lead to racist policies. And we have to remember, this is a president who came to office based on a racist agenda, based on an altright agenda. His history, he demonized and tried to delegitimize the presidency of barack obama, our first African American president. He has a history of racist remarks, but also his behavior has been racist. And so we have to do something. And we have to and i call on speaker ryan to lead the effort with republicans to join us in voting for the censure resolution, which will be coming forward next week. I think our chair of the Congressional Black Caucus put it very clearly that when President Trump says make America Great again, he means really and once again we see this, make America White again. So im saying to speaker ryan, make sure you get the votes from the republicans so we can pass this censure resolution next week. Speaker ryan calling it unfortunate in his remarks of that very statement coming from the president. You were meeting with your constituents today there in oakland, california. Im guessing this issue came out. What did they tell you . Of course speaker ryans response is very weak. These were racist remarks and he should say that. We had a teachin as many members did around the country today, to talk about this tax scam which is a tax scam. Its law now, the tax bill. And we looked at the impacts on communities as it relates to 13 Million People losing their health care as a result of this law. We talked about the fact that jobs now will be shipped offshore as a result of this tax scam. And we talked about here, of course in california, the state and local taxes and what that means in terms of the 10,000 limit and the Mortgage Interest Rate Tax Deduction that has been, you know, really rolled back. So we talked about all aspects of the tax scam that is gonna impact lowincome and middleincome individuals and over 83 of the benefits are going to the 1 , to millionaires and billionaires. This is the weekend were honoring the life and legacy of dr. Martin luther king jr. So what we talked about, in terms of complicity in whats wrong in this country. And how, if you dont speak out, and dr. King referenced this many times, if you dont speak out in moments of controversy, you know, then youre complicit in what is taking place. So were really remembering dr. Kings birthday, his life, his legacy, and how he promoted an interracism and he fought for Economic Justice and Economic Security and jobs for all and the elimination of poverty. Yeah, this is the weekend for all americans to remember dr. King and what he meant to this country, not only in the 60s but moving forward. California democratic congresswoman barbara lee, thank you, representative. Thank you, my pleasure. All right, our coverage continues of the frightening hawaii false alarm. Were going to speak with the other senator. We spoke with brian schatz earlier in our coverage. 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We had this new video from the university of hawaii at manoa. Running again, as it appears, right after the Emergency Alert came out 8 05 a. M. Local time. And some 18,000 students on this campus that were looking at right here. Joining us right now, hawaii democratic senator mazie hirono, thanks so much for joining us here, senator. Hi, richard. The issue here, 1. 4 million residents, at least, there in hawaii, under the belief for a moment, for a moment, that a missile was coming their way. 15 minutes later it took before that was corrected. Your reaction to that delay and the mistake. First of all, i understand the panic and the fear that people felt thinking that a missile strike was coming our way. So the fact that it took too long for everyone to find out that this was a false alarm, that did not help at all. So the focus on the part of the state of hawaii is to make sure that this kind of error which never should have happened, will never happen again. What do you hope to happen next . Theres been calls that the test system, which was reimplemented within the last two or three months, should be halted for a while . Then theres february 6, when congress, the house, will be evaluating response systems across the country. What do you hope to do next . We have to make sure that with regard to our Warning System, that it works, and that we have a failsafe method, so that human error cannot occur in the way that it occurred today. Thats one thing. But we all know, should there be a missile strike, we do not have a lot of time to remain safe and stay safe. We need to get back to recognizing that the goal is to prevent a missile strike to begin with. That means that we have to pursue very strongly, diplomatic resolution to the instability in the korean peninsula. This means that the president has got to get behind the diplomatic route to resolving this total unstable situation that is there. He has a responsibility to pursue that and enable that avenue, which he has not been doing, by the way. The administrator, vern miyagi, who you may know well yes, ive talked to him. What did he tell you . I talked to the governor, who has the hawaii Emergency Management agency, as well as general joe logan, our adjutant general, the Hawaiian National guard general. So all three are very much focused on assessing what happened and to make the appropriate changes, will ensure that this kind of mistake will never happen again. Senator, switching subjects but let me just mention, richard, i also talked with admiral harris, Pacific Command. And when he learned of this, the first thing he was to contact Northern Command. Because the way the processes work, Northern Command has the radar and the satellite tracking system that will enable us to be alerted if there is a missile strike coming our way. So he immediately contacted Northern Command who reassured him that there was nothing like that happening. So this will be an opportunity for the military, the state, to strengthen our communt communication capabilities. But first and most to make sure this doesnt happen again. You wanted to turn to another topic . Sounds like you were able to speak with all those involved in this very discussion. As were short on time today, i wanted to ask you how youre doing. I know youre fighting stage 4 kidney cancer, how are you doing . Im plugging away. Theres a lot to be concerned about in whats going on in the world, not just north korea, but the president s recent comments and i hate to use the word, but the shithole countries. The condemnation of those remarks should be swift. Its not an unfortunate remark. Its a remark that should be condemned very, very strongly. And basically the president is exhibiting a pattern of what i would call a racist pattern because he talked about White Supremacists as being fine people and the birther situation, the muslim ban, all these, hes exhibited a pattern of what can be deemed racist thinking and attitudes. Ma mazie hirono, democrat from hawaii, thank you. Thank you. Also, a programming note. Well await a press conference from the states governor. Well bring that to you when it happened at 6 00 p. M. Eastern during special extended coverage right here on msnbc live. Over the years, paul and i have met regularly with our ameriprise advisor. We plan for everything from retirement to college savings. Giving us the ability to add on for an important member of our family. Welcome home mom. With the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. It was always our singular focus. To do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. To fight cancer. And never lose sight of the patients were fighting for. 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Any president that just three weeks ago was just getting out a statement about haiti and about africans would never have sat in front of people and jumped right back in it unless he has no problem identifying with racism. Lets bring in msnbc contributor and White House Correspondent for the pbs news hour charlie sykes, msnbc contributor and author of how the right lost its mind and eric mcpike, from the media group of america. The headlines today used the word racist more times today than weve probably ever seen across this country, if you dont mind me mentioning your haitian descent and what you may be thinking about these statements as well as putting on your other hat as a reporter. The outrage continues, this is essentially day three of people sitting back and thinking about what the president said. It was very hurtful for haitian americans, not just people of haitian ancestry, but also haitian officials. The haiti ambassador told me specifically that the haitian government summoned u. S. Officials to come before them and say, what is going on, what did the president mean by this . And today i got i letter from a group of haitian doiplomats, haitian americans working for the state department all across the world and theyre also saying these comments felt like heartbreak and despair and theyre also wondering, how do we go forward. So i think its an issue that continues to hurt people and i think thats why were seeing the headlines with the tough words, including using the word racist. And its not easy when you know so well, when you are writing your pieces, to use such language. Weve had to use the word the expletive in our headlines. Weve had to also use the word now racist in some cases here. Thats right, richard. Look, what were hearing, obviously now, is that congressional leaders are going to try to move forward to censure the president. Now that doesnt mean a whole lot. Its basically the equivalent of a strongly worded letter. Its a wristslapping. It is meant to be deeply embarrassing to the president if they can actually pass that sorts of legislation to censure the president. But the reason to do it, is for congressional leaders to say, this is not okay, to show the American People it is not okay, and really to stand with the leaders of these other countries that President Trump insulted. Thats the reason to do it, because the next administration, whenever the next administration comes in, be it three or seven years, is going to have an awful lot of work to do. In part because the state department has been gutted. They cant do the cleanup work they might be able to do. Theres a big Chain Reaction here that a lot of other government officials are going to have to clean up for. Charlie, who are you looking at that are conservatives in congress now, republicans in congress right now, that will stand with those who might move forward with this censure coming tuesday, we believe . Well, its going to be up to paul ryan and up to Mitch Mcconnell to do all of this. Look, i dont think its particularly breaking news that donald trump has these attitudes, that he actually believes that white european immigrants are better than black and brown immigrants from shithole countries and has a long country of racist comments. I think the real a test now is what about other republicans . Are they going to be okay with this . Has he basically now given a green light to people out in, you know, in the bars in wisconsin, according to hosts at fox news, to engage in this kind of talk . One of those key moments for other republicans, what are they going to do . Are they going to be complicit by their silence . Because that has real implications, not just in the short term for dealing with this immigration issue. Obviously derailed. But long term in defining what they stand for and whether or not theyre going to buy in with immigration policy that is obviously in Donald Trumps mind very racially based. Yamiche, who are you watching in congress who might stand up against these comments . Thats on the right . Im essentially watching lindsey graham, watching Mitch Mcconnell. Watching paul ryan. Really, these are the leaders of the Republican Party who have to stand up and the say, is this is going to be the party of trump . Does the party itself, not just individual senators but the party as an establishment back the president . Im a reporter of haitian descent, my dad still lives in haiti. My mom has two ph. D. S and lives in florida. When hes kicked off his Campaign Calling mexicans racist and criminals, racist comments and the first people to sound the alarm, and people didnt listen to them. A lot of people said, let it go. One thing. Now hes president of the United States. Theres a moment happening now but its long coming. And then, also building on what yamiche said, used derogatory pocahontas, again, for native americans, this is also an epithet . Look, weve had this conversation a number of times. Is it okay to just start calling President Trump a racist . And i would point out richard, you and i had this conversation several months ago an charlottesville, put out a piece saying it is fine to in regular reporting at this point call President Trump a racist, because he clearly is. Charlie, would you call him clearly a racist . Oh, i i think hes been a racist ever since he began this campaign. This is a man who literally launched his campaign with the birther conspiracy theory. The problem is, that hes both a cause and symptom. Clearly, hes the president of the United States because he tapped into certain attitudes that are out there that preceded him, but he also, then, empowers it. Hes having an effect on the culture to be able to say, well, you know, hes right. Hes blunt. Hes not p. C. , but this is the thing about leadership. That the president of the United States needs to set the tone. If he doesnt set the tone, members of his party freed to set the tone. Otherwise, some of these things, theyre in the short window in the news cycle of 24 hours. We change the channel all the tile. No. This is the kind of thing thats going to affect the fabric of the culture, the way we talk about race and immigration for a very, very long time. Why its so crucial that members of his own party be you no, willing to stand up and say, this is not the way we talk. This is not acceptable. We, at least, are not racist. Charlie sykes, yameen alcindor, erin pike, thank you for sticking around. 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This video taken at the university of hawaii. People running, looking for a safe space to hide. Residents fearing the worst for themselves and their loved ones. In the end, all a serious mistake. When they go through to make sure that the system is working, and an employee pushed the wrong button. The governor of hawaii earlier today. As i said, we expect to hear much more from him at any moment, from the department of Emergency Management in oahu. Well take you to that as soon as it becomes. And we spoke a couple hours ago. Trying to process. What have you learned how this transpired and how people reacted to it . Reporter the most basic level, david, a critical human error by somebody that sits within hawaiis Civil Defense headquarters. Check it out here. With me, take a look. Thats diamondhead crater. Inside that is hawaii Civil Defense, hawaii Emergency Management. Inside that crater is a room. Basically within a bunker, built in the early 1900s, from which theres a telephone. 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