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Nomination process is the nevada caucuses. They got under way yesterday with early voting. 36 delegates are available to be won during this weeks caucuses. Its a mere fraction of the 1,991 necessary to secure the democratic mominati iic nominat first ballot. Speaker pelosi and the majority of democrats dont like medicare for all plan. Unions, workers in nevada arent for it. How in gods name do you expect to pass it. In the middle of the country where im from, i want to see a little more nevada out there. My plan is to build a beautiful blue wall of democratic votes around those states and make donald trump pay for it. So, how do we do it . How do we do it . We vote. Some folks say why would you have a mayor become president . To me, thats very much the point. As a mayor, you have to get things done. Its different from washington. We need to bring that attitude to washington instead of the other way around. Why do you think its important for women to run for president . Its not only important that women run for president , its important that women get elected president. Also this morning, reaction to speculation from the drudge report that floated the possibility of Michael Bloomberg considering Hillary Clinton as a potential running mate. We are focused on the primary and the debate, not vp speculation. Which youll notice is not a straight up denial. As for mrs. Clinton, she did not immediately respond to her request for comment. With us this morning, michael tomalski, alexia, political reporter with axios and political strategy, a senior fellow at third way and a Senior Adviser at donors of color network. Welcome to all of you. Thank you for joining us this morning. Alexia, let me start with you. What did you make of it when you saw that drudge report that Michael Bloomberg might be considering Hillary Clinton as Vice President . A, i dont know what that would do for Michael Bloomberg, but, b, is that something Hillary Clinton would think about . Well, as you pointed out on the record statement from the campaign was not an outright denial, so, it seems as though this is something that has come from the bloomberg campaign, although i have not confirmed that. Theres a number of questions around what that might do for someone like Michael Bloomberg. The Democratic Party in 2020 has mixed feelings about Hillary Clinton now, especially after everything that she had to go through and went through publicly in 2016. I mean, people still feel this sort of tribalism within the party that Bernie Sanders versus Hillary Clinton wings of the party so to speak that i think it might add questions of vulnerability to bloombergs campaign if he added someone like Hillary Clinton to his ticket in 2020, when so many other women who ran in this primary so far as democrats who could be tapped for a potential vp pick. What do you think . I mean, i work for Hillary Clinton at the state department. I volunteered for her campaign and i think shes a fantastic, you know, american. But i agree with alexi. I think there are so many wonderful women and particularly women of color who would make an excellent Vice President ial candidate for any of these candidates. Somebody like stacy abrams who almost basically did win her governor seat in georgia where we have two open senate seats in november would be a particularly strong candidate. I think a candidate of color on the ticket and a woman on the ticket. So, i think these are, you know, decisions that we have to make once we have a nominee. Michael, lets talk about nevada coming up. I want to tell our viewers. If you look at the balm righthand corner of your screen, youre looking at videos of yokohama, japan, theyre looking to evacuate a few hundred americans off of the cruise ship. We have janis standing by in yokohama. Ill keep that in the bottom of the screen. A lot of people coming off that cruise ship, it could take a long time. Well keep a very close eye on that this morning, including questions about where those americans go once they get off that ship. They still will be held in quarantine. Let me get back to you, michael. Nevada is on saturday. I want to remind people. It is not a big catch of delegates. You need 1,991 delegates to win on the first ballot. Youre still only going to have a portion of them after nevada, but a different kind of challenge than iowa and New Hampshire bases, including the fact that its more ethnically diverse candidate and a lot of union influence. We saw that with the Culinary Union throwing some shade on bernieen sanders and Elizabeth Warrens endorsement of medicare for all. Yes. And its very simple. The workers in the Culinary Unions have a Great Health Care plan with the private Insurance Company and theyve negotiated that and taken that in lieu of wages. So, its very important to them. Medicare for all, at least as sanders describes it, not necessarily as warren describes it at least immediately. But as sanders describes it would do away with all private insurers so it would do away with their Health Care Plan. That throws a big questionmark over peoples lives and people are very risk averse when it comes to their health care, which i think is one of the bases of skepticism about medicare for all in general. So, i would guess, ali, that as we see this week go on and your clip of joe biden hinted at this. That what well see is that this nevada primary will be in large part about medicare for all to some extent and about how the democrats should proceed on health care. And i think well hear a lot over the next six days of biden, buttigieg, klobuchar saying that im not going to do away with your Health Care Plan and Bernie Sanders is. Very interesting, akunna, because most democrats in 2018 when they voted suggested that health care was the top of the list. Even in the 2000 election it was for most americans one of the biggest issues. The medicare for all idea lives and dies on whether democrats themselves will support it and it is a big change, donald trump capitalizes on the idea that those of us who are insured through our Companies May not like it. Those who are insured through their unions wont like it and it could drive a wedge between democrats who are already divided on a lot of issues. It has already driven a wedge between democrats. Trying to figure out health care which is bar none the most important issues for so many voters. Voters of color, just everyone. Really thinking about how to make health care more affordable and how to avoid bankruptcies and other financial disasters that come as a result of medical bills. So, this is going to be an issue that democrats really need to get on the same page on. And medicare for all has been controversial. There are a lot of people who like their private Health Insurance option and want to figure out how to expand the Affordable Health care act as opposed to starting over with the whole new system. But Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and others have talked about getting to a medicare for all system. The issue is how do you pay for it and how do you convince voters that this is something that can realistically happen, given all the opposition to it. So, i think that the candidates are going to have to really be more, you know, clear about what theyre proposing to address health care and make sure that they are speaking to the concerns of voters around both costs but also the effectiveness of whatever Health Care Plans theyre putting forward. Alexi, what are you looking for in nevada as the results come in . The interesting thing about nevada is that over the last decade, people who identify as nonpartisan has grown by 89 . And thats compared to something like, you know, less than 25 for the number of people who identify as republicans and the number of people who identify as democrats. That, to me, suggests that voters in nevada, a large portion of them and a growing portion of them are looking for candidates who can thread the needle and offer them an alternative that is not picking one part of the party or another. Someone who doesnt have the same party loyalthy that weve seen from twitter democrats and that might reward someone like tom steyer who has been spending a lot of money in places like nevada and South Carolina because he is viewed as an almost outsider candidate. That could reward someone like Pete Buttigieg because he makes a pitch that he is a washington outsider and thats what is attractive about his candidacy. Of course, that could really reward someone like Bernie Sanders who, you know, is running as part of the Democratic Party but has always been more of an independent person and a selfdescribed democratic socialist. Might present a vulnerability for him, the independent streak within nevada is very strong and reward candidates who are viewed more outside the main stream than those viewed as more establishment. Michael, as we come out of nevada and, frankly, as we come out of South Carolina, though each of these following races will tell us something very specific about where things stand with the Democratic Party and with the candidates, they wont statistically tell us enough. Maybe im underestimating what South Carolina will tell us because of the massive africanamerican vote there. But are we going to have any satisfaction a week from today . No. I dont think were going to have any satisfaction a month from today, ali. One reason you pointed to in the way you phrased your question. The delegate math is very different for democrats than for republicans. So, donald trump in 2016, he won a lot of states with the plurality, not a majority. But he won majorities of delegates in those states because many states in the republican primary had winner take all and something called winner take more formulas for awarding delegates. Democrats dont have that. Democrats have proportional delegates. So if you win 30 of the vote, you get 30 of the delegates more or less. Its more complicated than that. Thats about how it works. In a field like this, were not going to have any democrat winning 50 of the vote in practically any state. So, you can broadcast it forward in your mind. We get to june and every state and territory has voted. Who is going to have 50 of the delegates . Who is going to hit that magic number . I dont think anybody is by june. Because of the way the democrats are awarding delegates. Look, super tuesday may give us some interesting ideas, akunna, because seeing Pete Buttigieg spending time there. More than 400 delegates will be available in california alone. But that might give us some sense of it. There are still people who are either talking about or looking forward to an idea of a convention that goes to a second ballot, which introduces a whole other raft of issues because there are a whole bunch of nonelected delegates that will take place. Something the Democratic Party was criticized for in 2016. Yeah, if you look, so, if you look at the results coming out of iowa and New Hampshire, one of the interesting things is that Bernie Sanders is actually capped at, what, 35 of the vote. The rest of the democratic voters are looking for moderates. So, the challenge is rallying around one of the moderates and hopefully doing it soon so that you dont have a scenario where youre going into a contested convention and thats all going to be seen the next debate in nevada, what we see in the caucuses and the primaries. I think a lot of the moderate democrats, independents, are looking for someone to emerge as the leader and i think theres going to be a scramble to get behind someone to avoid the scenario you just described. Thank you to all three of you kicking us off on a sunday morning. Michael, alexia and akunna founder of drake road strategies. Lets take a look at whats going on in yokohama, japan. Its blurry and hard to see, but the evacuation of the ship has begun. Its not everybody on that cruise ship. But it is more than 400 americans who are being evacuated on to buses that will take them into quarantine. Im trying to just sort of get were depending on other peoples camera on this thing. The buses have lined up and there are people getting off the bus. Getting off the ship. You can see the feet sort of in the middle of the screen at the bottom. Those are people getting off the cruise ship and being loaded on to buses that will move them away. Our Janis Mackey Frayer on the ground keeping track of what is going on. Still ahead, how the past is coming back to aunt Michael Bloombergs president ial bid. What exactly is red lining and why did he claim getting rid of it triggered the Great Recession . Ill break that down for you next. We will not defeat donald trump with a candidate who instead of holding the crooks on wall street accountable, blame the end of racist policies such as redlining for the financial crisis. Man whats my safelite story . My truck. Is my livelihood. So when my windshield cracked. The experts at Safelite Autoglass came right to me. Tech hi, im adrian. Man thanks for coming. With service i could trust. Right, girl . 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Former new york city mayor and now president ial candidate Michael Bloomberg has been consistently unapologetic about his past until recently. Listen. One approach that in all fairness i deeply regret and thats the abuse of a Police Practice called stop and frisk. I defended it for too long because i didnt fully understand the unintentional pain it caused young black and brown kids and their famfulilie and i should have stopped it sooner and i apologize for that. Sometimes you just make a mistake and the sign of leadership is standing up and just learning and doing it better. Stop and frisk, the controversial practice where police temporarily detain, searched and questioned black and latino residents. Lets break down the numbers for you because according to the aclu in new york in 2011, the year in which there were the highest numbers of stop and frisks. 684,000, 685,724 people were stopped and frisked of which 4 574,483 were black or latino and 88 were innocent of anything. However, im waiting for more recent polling after this past disastrous week for bloomberg. The latest quinnipiac poll shows supports rising among africanamericans for michael bloombe bloomberg, most of which has come from joe biden. Take a look at this. Up 15 since the end of january. Biden only ahead of him by five points. Senior writer jameel smith warns while President Trump is, quote, the ultimate threat, black new yorkers know enough to be terrified at the possibility of bloomberg becoming president and now bloomberg is facing new questions over comments he made back in 2008 that the elimination of something called redlining caused the financial crash. Let me explain what red lining is. Redlining is a discriminatory practice by which banks, insurance companies, et cetera refuse or limit loans mortgages or insurance to low income people who live in minority neighborhoods. Began in 1934, but discontinued in 1968 after the Fair Housing Act banned racial bias in housing. Lets take a look at atlanta, for example, where were seeing a few different colors on this map. All right, these green areas are considered in demand. Neighborhoods which are blue are undesirable. And yellow was seen as an area of potential danger, income decline. Now, red, see these red areas, the red lines, if you will. That is a warning. Its a warning from the federal Housing Administration of a neighborhoods perceived economic instability. Insured private mortgages and those living in these red areas were considered ineligible for mortgage insurance. If a bank lent to someone who lived inside the red line, that person was denied a loan from the bank. If they defaulted and got a loan from the bank, the bank would be on the hook. Now, to understand the racism behind these regulations, we have to look at the grading system. As we said, green got an a from a bank, red neighborhoods got a d. And those who lived in the d neighborhoods were typically blacks and latinos. Because of the systemic discrimination, many black and latino families still havent been able to expand their wealth. According to the Economic Policy institute, the difference in median wealth between white and black families is 153,400. White families average 171, not average, median, half of all families have wealth higher than this and half of all families have wealth lower than this. Look at this for blacks, onetenth the wealth of white families and much of this has to do with property ownership. To discuss this some more, i want to bring in my guest brookings fellow and the author of the upcoming book know your price andre perry and economist and president of Bennett College dr. Julieanne morvoe. Welcome to both of you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having us. I want to ask you first, redlining effectively ended in 1965, made illegal. It didnt actually end in 1965. The practice in some form or other have continued long after. The idea that the Housing Authority wouldnt guarantee a mortgage or insure a mortgage for people inside the red line stopped in 1965. What happened after that . Well, 1968, the Fair Housing Act certainly outlawed race discrimination in housing and didnt stop the pattern in practice. Mike bloomberg, rudy giuliani, same thing but Mike Bloomberg was end when he said the edof redlining caused a financial crisis. Greedy bankers giving people second and third mortgages and they went under water and they defaulted. But onethird of the africanAmerican People who had sub prime mortgages could actually qualify for regular mortgages but the banks were not lending to them. You made the important point. I dont mean to interrupt you. Im only independentantiterrupt underscore your point. Other than financial people. By wall street, greedy bankers and by people who found new ways to manipulate the system is just wrong. Absolutely. You know, the thing that is important to note in terms of this is bloomberg runs around apologizing or he said, oh, i said that so many years ago. But the fact is you can see the impact in the wealth disparities. Black folks have 1 of wealth for every 10 that white people havenot so different from 1910 when it was 1 for every 16. Lets talk about that. The degree to which wealth disparity in this country has to do with the fact that africanamerican families after slavery well until the great migration had virtually no ability to gain wealth that would be passed on to other generations and much of that was about property ownership. Thats exactly right now. Those practices still haunt us today. My research of the Brookings Institution found that homes in majority black neighborhoods are devalued by 33 . We control for education, crime and all those reasons people think home prices are lower in black neighborhoods. But after controlling for those issues, we found that on average homes priced in black neighborhoods are 23 lower, about 48,000 per home. About 156 billion in lost equity. And that also is true for businesses. In a forthcoming report we have coming up on tuesday, were going to show that businesses in black neighborhoods, particularly those that are higher rated are losing about 4 billion in profits because of the perception, the stigma of black neighborhoods and thats whats harmful about bloombergs rhetoric. The cover for nefarious policies that are imparted upon black communities. So, that rhetoric must stop. We want his policies. He has his greenwood plan and there is some good things in it. If you dont remove that negative deficit language, then those policies wont really catch root. I just want to examine this, andre says homes in a majority of black neighborhoods are devalued by 23 . That doesnt mean like its a stock you should buy it because its undervalued and it will shoot up. There are actually things that are keeping them under value. Which means that a person with a house in a majority africanamerican neighborhood on average is getting less value. Theyre creating less wealth out of that house than otherwise would be the case. Well, you know, home equity is an asset. When people have home equity, they can borrow for their childs education. They have an enormous amount of borrowing power. Thats what banks took advantage of when we had the financial crisis. If you had a house that was valued at, lets say, 100 and you paid about 50 grand, you have 50,000 worth of equitaek which you could borrow against. Some people overborrowed and thats how they got in trouble. Not just africanAmerican People, a lot of people did that. You look at middle class people, home equity becomes the wealth driver for them and bequeath something to their children and becomes intergenerational. AfricanAmerican People today have fewer than 45 of us own homes compared to about 71 of white people. So, you know, basically all those practices that you outlied, banks continue to do them. They continue to use them. Sometimes quite openly. Sometimes very subtly. The amount of discrimination is daunting, but the permanent outcome of it is these wealth gaps that mean that black folks will never catch up. One in ten. One dollar in ten in wealth, andre perry. A number of the Democratic Candidates have proposals that are aimed directly at this sort of thing. Fixing this longterm economic disparity. At some, one part of things called repriations and the other part, we have this remarkable wealth disparity that has come out of slavery and continues through today even after the Fair Housing Act. You make an interesting point. Bloomberg actually has proposed policies that would help africanamericans. So, what does he have to do to make you believe that hed be the right guy for africanamericans . Well, i joke all the time, but theres a lot of sincerity in this. If theres one person that we should ask their opinion on ris Michael Bloomberg. Folks who were incarcerated and harassed in new york city, in particular. He has the wealth. He has the opportunity to restore value that has been extracted by racism. And, so, when folks, when people are voting in South Carolina, they should ask, how are your policies going to restore value from the communities that were robbed by racism . And he, of all people, have the capacity and should have and propose the policy to restore value to black communities. Thank you, two, both of you, for a great discussion. I think we should have separate that bloom beeriberg talked abo. As dr. Malvaeux pointed out we improved but no where close to where we need to be. Thanks to both of you. Lets go back to yokohama, japan. 400 quarantined americans held on the diamond princess cruise ship for more than two weeks are now evacuating. Janis Mackey Frayer on the ground with more. What is the situation . We know that americans were told to be ready this evening to pack a carry on and get all of their baggage ready and transported by buses to the airport which is about 20 minutes from here where that special chartered flight will be waiting to take them back to the u. S. We know the process is under way here. Passengers were told to prepare. There are buses that are lined up. There have been announcements made on the ship that we have been able to hear. And we just had a number of military trucks drive past us. The drivers in their hazmat suits suggesting that the military aspect of this, of controlling the transport of these people to the airport is in place. What we know is that people can expect to spend several hours waiting at an airport hangar. Everyone needs to be screened for symptoms before they can get on that flight. Only Healthy People will be allowed to go. If somebody is showing signs or symptoms, they will remain here. They will be tested for the virus and, if necessary, they will be hospitalized. Thats already the case for at least 40 americans who are being treated in hospitals here and there are also some people who have opted not to get on this flight, ali. If thats the case, they will remain on the ship until japans authorities end the quarantine and only when they test negative for the virus will they be allowed to come off the ship. It doesnt mean theyre allowed to go home. U. S. Officials were adamant in saying for anyone who chooses to stay, they cannot return to the u. S. Until at least march the 4th. That would be two weeks from the 19th of february which is the date that japans authorities expect to end the quarantine here. But with another 70 confirmed cases announced today, 67 cases yesterday, 355 passengers infected onboard. It is unclear whether japans authorities are going to stick to that 14day quarantine. All right. Whos left, who will be left on that cruise ship and what happens to them . Well, everyone who remains on the ship will be here again until at least the 19th of february. Thats when the official 14day quarantine is over and its up to japans authorities to get them off. There are other planes that will be coming. Canada is sending a plane and a plane from hong kong to repatriate those passengers and for japanese passengers they will, of course, remain here. And everyone else, again, will be tested before they get off the ship. Before theyll be able to set foot in japan. Ali . Janis, well stay in touch with you over the course of the next few hours. Get an update on whats going on. Janis is in yokohama, japan for us. The power to investigate is the power to destroy, at least thats what one former fbi senior official told Washington Post in its report that the Justice Department has tasked five different u. S. Attorneys into multiple politically explosive cases and thats now fueling distrust within the department of justice. With mistrust comes suspicion among the public who are now forced to question everything coming out of the department of justice and that suspicion has led to a call for barrs resignation from the boston globes editorial which calls lying, cheating how dangerous that their attorney general is helping the president weaponize the Justice Department for political purposes . New york times reports new concerns from Department Officials that say the political influence is in imminent danger because of barrs televised response to trumps angry tweets about roger stone and one Time Magazine article warns if the president can interfere, we no longer have a system of justice. No one is safe. Joining me now is the author of that article in time former u. S. Attorney and professor at the university of Alabama School of law and msnbc contributor joyce vance. Joyce, you are not prone to saying things that are designed to fear monger, but this is different. This is the United States Justice Department which we all understand is a branch of the executive. But what we have not understood until this last week and maybe we should have but we have not understood the degree to which bill barr is acting like Donald Trumps attorney general as opposed to the attorney general of the United States. I think thats right, ali. Although the time article is not mine, i share those sentiments. I think the important thing for people to understand is that there should never be any politically motivated interference in the criminal Justice System. The president cant use criminal prosecutions as a Political Tool to punish his perceived enemies and to help his friends. And the concern here is that is what were seeing with this doj and its worth pointing out that something that prosecutors take enormous care with is to avoid not just improper actions, but also the appearance of any impropriety. It is so critical that the country need to be able to trust the Justice System that prosecutors will bend over backwards to avoid that appearance of impropriety and bill barr at a minimum has not done that. In fact, hes fueled the speculation that there is something amiss at doj. So, its incumbent that he immediately stand up to correct that tweet from the president where the president claims the ability to meddle in criminal cases. Let me ask you about something that bill barr said in the interview with abc and he said it otherwise. That this is normal practice for him to have been talking to his senior people about sentencing and sentencing guidelines and sendancing recommendations. But in this particular case after the attorneys from the Justice Department made the sentencing recommendation to the judge in the roger stone case, he then made them go back and change it. He has not provided any data or evidence in his history as attorney general. Hes now attorney general for the second time or in his history anywhere else in which he involved himself in other such cases. I would assume thousands of cases in front of the department of justice and id be curious in what proportion the attorney general intervenes when they dont have anything to do with the president of the United States. There are tens of thousands of cases in progress at doj on any given day. In my 25plus years at the department, i never had the attorney general try to intervene in a guidelines sentencing recommendation which is what this was after the government had already filed. And there is supervisory review involved before doj recommends a sentence, particularly in a highprofile case in a minimum with a u. S. Attorney in that district. Often with the Deputy Attorney general who might receive an urgent report from that local u. S. Attorney. That term inside the department advising them that this sentence is coming up. For the attorney general to say, you know i disagree with the recommendation of the career people particularly to take a sentence out of that guideline range is absolutely unprecedented. Its clear here that its happening because stone is the president s friend perhaps a coconspirator. Remind people the attorney general disagrees with you. He thinks it is normal and he also thought it was normal to tell us about what was in the Mueller Report that turned out to not be true a month later when we all got that report and he also thought it was normal to send a 19page unsolicited memo to the then acting attorney general about whether donald trump needed to give answers to the mueller investigation. So, this guy hasnt done things in a normal way since before he was attorney general. You know, i think thats clear. Barr has given the American People little reason to trust him. Often you have to build up that reservoir of trust and good faith for when you make the difficult calls, but barr has on many occasions misled the American People at a minimum. So, i think that there is no trust with this particular attorney general. Thank you for joining us, joyce vance. After two years of waiting, researchers are seeing a treasure totrove of data from facebook and the power of a like or share in the power of misinformation. 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Autosave your way there with chase. Chase. Make more of whats yours. After nearly two years of tough negotiations, researchers got their hands on a huge amount of data facebook has given a group of economic access to data to study the way its users share information and misinformation. The data consists of urls that you and i are likely to see via facebook. 38 million of them. Each one viewed at least 100 times publicly on facebook. Researchers can see details like whether the shared links were fact checked or flagged by users as hate speech. And then they can see broad demographic information about the people who viewed, liked or shared these links and gather political affiliations of those users. All of this is eventually going to tell us just how little we know or weve known before about what social media may be doing to our friendships attention of span and even democracy itself. I want to bring in jake ward and roger mcname. It is a must read for anyone who is concerned about this information and misinformation. I want to start with jake ward. Jake, you and i have been talking about this for a long time. You have said for a couple years now this is what needs to happen. Independent researchers need to get their hands on this data to figure out what facebook knows about us and how it may or may not manipulate us and how we can figure out the impact of social media on peoples behavior. Thats right, ali. An incredible moment. A historic moment. The idea that this Research Group social science one is going to get not just the small, surface amount of data you can get from any cursory look at facebook, but a real data set that will allow academics to look inside the company and see how are we sharing things across this platform. How does misinformation spread . How does a conversation turn into hate speech and does hate speech somehow stick in our minds more than the kind of innocent stuff that you and i might share about our families or our friends, right . The problem, of course, is that this is a thorny moment for facebook. Under a decent decree and a huge fine for privacy violations and they said we have to limit the amount of data. Theyre not giving these researchers what they had hoped for which was a very specific individual level amount of data. The kind of data that facebook uses every day to monitor what you and i look at and figure out. But, it is a valuable thing because youre going to allow academics here and it has to be qualified academics. These are not cambridge, this is qualified, independent academics who got an approval and could apply and see suddenly how urls that are being shared across facebook sticking in our minds and changing democracy itself, ali. 5 45 in the morning where you are, my friend. I am never that perky and alive at 5 45 in the morning. Jake described the fact that facebook had to put some sand into this in order to put it out there to not violate their privacy decree and not violate the european privacy laws. Something that you in your book talk so much about privacy, right. So, how do we blend these two worlds . We want privacy, but, boy do we want to see this data . The context which this data is being released. A postcambridge analytica response. They were under massive pressure to disclose. I do not think of it as a coincidence. They slow walked this to the point where there is no way this will affect 2020. We are not going to learn enough. These researchers dont have enough time with this data. Again, they have thrown the sand into the gears and i think in this case, facebook is much more concerned about protecting it own business than it is about helping us get to the truth about what happened in 2016. I think if you put this in the context of a company that recently changed its rules about Fact Checking advertisements pie campaigns and just last week said, hey, in the context of bloomberg, you can as a campaign pay influencers to put out memes and other constetent and were going to either. When i look at this, i think the privacy thing is a dodge for facebook and not something that theyre coming at sincerely. Jake, what else can we learn . What is the best stuff that could happen . If researchers get their hands inside of facebook and they see these things, is it just Political Behavior . Will we be able to detect when someone is being radicalized before somebody goes out and commits a mass shooting . Well, so what is so wonderful about this, ali, until now youve only been able, what is a good, creative question we could ask about how humans are using facebook and how it touches their brains are people inside facebook. People on facebooks payroll. In this case, youre going to have the creativity of independent academics asking, what can we ask . A post that is filled with hate speech suddenly sticks and goes further and takes off in a way that we didnt realize it did and in a way that is perhaps far more effective than a post about puppies or a post about kids. If in doing so we understand, oh, there is a pattern to the way this stuff blossoms across a forprofit social media platform, maybe a way those policies should change. Until now, we have been entirely hostage as roger says. You know, the profit motive of these Companies Even though at the same time they can go in and look at any data they want about you and i on an individual basis. Now, in this case, the researchers are saying were a little frustrated that we dont get that kind of data, that we cant draw the same kind of granular conclusions that people within facebook can, but well take this differential analysis and this higher level, more statistically noisy stuff and be able to do some Creative Work by good, independent academics. You know, working at universities and working with federal funding to figure out the truth about how you and i are living our lives on facebook these days. So, i think theres one thing that i have to push back on what jake is saying. I think this is way better than nothing. And im really happy the data is out there. But i think at the end of the day the problem that were facing is that we know what the problems are. We actually do know how hate speech circulates. We actually have very good information how this information gets creative and spreads. I spoke about the group at George Washington university that shows groups created in 2015 and 2016 still operating both for President Trump and for the Bernie Sanders campaign. And facebooks refusal to do anything about this kind of stuff is a huge problem for democracy. And as much as i want to study all the stuff at a granular level, the highlevel policy stuff should be really obvious to everyone. That facebook right now by its conscious actions and by its architecture is undermining democracy. We, as a country, should care much more about that than we do. Thank you to both of you guys. I appreciate it. Roger, good to continue to see you here and, jake, bless you for getting up early. Its hard with you california guys. Still ahead, the race for the white house and why winning either partys nomination is really all about math. Were going to look at the current delegate count and talk about some of the most competitive contests coming up. 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As you can see, we have a long, long way to go to the 1991 delegates needed to get the nomination on the first ballot. If this isnt done in the first ballot, this number actually goes up. There are several major states coming up with juicy delegate counts. Next saturday, the 22nd, is the nevada caucus. Ill be there for it. It has 36 delegates up for grabs. Thats not actually that juicy, but those 36 delegates are chosen from a more demgraphically Diverse Group of voters that weve seen from iowa or New Hampshire. Early voting began yesterday and runs through tuesday. Those results will be fold under to the caucus day process and will not be reported before next saturday. After nevada, we got South Carolina, ill be there, too. Thats the 29th of february. This is slightly juicier and much more ethnically diverse. 54 delegates in South Carolina. The state is quickly being viewed of more of a bellwether than iowa or New Hampshire and this could be make or break for biden and to some degree, maybe even bloomberg. But those first four states iowa, New Hampshire, nevada and South Carolina, they, in total, add up to 3. 9 of the total delegates available. Not that much. Where things really get into the thick of things is march 3rd. Thats super tuesday. 16 contests including American Samoa and delegates abroad. Delegates abroad actually gets 13 delegates. Thats almost as many as vermont. Now, this year super tuesday is also noteworthy because the first time that california is going to be in the primary that day. California wass been moved fort is down right golden because delegates available in california. There are a total of 1,357 delegates on the table on march 3rd. That is 34 . A little better of the third of the total. While its pretty clear that President Trump is going to win the democratic, im sorry, let me just swipe that. 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