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All right. Good afternoon everybody. Im Steve Kornacki live here in new york. Day 29 in the first 100 days. Topping the agenda right now, back on the stump. Americas going to start winning again. Winning like never ever before. The campaign trail version of donald trump back in full force. It started yesterday with that press conference, today a Campaign Style speech. Next on the docket, a Real Campaign speech. Why trump is going straight to the voters just a month after taking office. And also on our agenda today, how is it playing part one . Are you disappointed with some of the stuff he says . No, because i dont read social media and i dont watch the news because its too biased. Were going to look at what some of what trump is doing and talk to the voters who made the difference back in november. They were for obama, they switched to trump, they made him president. Are they still onboard . Also, hows it playing part two . After the press conference, a guy who was given the opportunity to have the most powerful job in National Security said, no, thanks. Back inside the beltway is nervousness right now. Is trump sring away the people he needs to make his Administration Work . Vice admiral Robert Harward turning down the president s offer to be his National Security advisor. An ominous sign, some are saying. We begin though back where donald trump is most at home on the campaign trail today in north charleston, South Carolina. When American Workers win, america as a country wins big league, wins. Thats my message here today. Americas going to start winning again. Winning like never ever before. Were not going to let our country be taken advantage of anymore in any way, shape or form. We love america. And we are going to protect america. We love our workers, and we are going to protect our workers. We are going to fight for our jobs. We are going to fight for our families. And we are going to fight to get more jobs and better paying jobs for the loyal citizens. Thats donald trump today in South Carolina at boeing. Hes touting rising employment, also talking about what he says is his America First approach to regulating business. The image there trump in front of that big plane, excuse me, that obviously evoki memories of many of h Campaign Stops last fall. Also, that appearance today in South Carolina comes on the heels of yesterdays 77minute press conference. It resembled in so many ways the style and the substance of so many of his campaign speeches. It also comes todays event did ahead of an Actual Campaign speech tomorrow in melburn, florida. If any of this is giving you any feelings of deja vu, maybe all of it should. Lets take a look at it this way. First, think of the headlines yesterday about that press conference, words like unhinged and bizarre and combative. So much of the Media Coverage critical of Donald Trumps performance, conveying a sense of alarm, an idea of a presidency maybe going off the rails. Then think of the numbers right now. Donald trumps Approval Rating it is falling, its down to 39 . Worst numbers than we have ever seen for a new president this early in his term. What about the reaction . The reaction of Donald Trumps own party. We are seeing signs right now of panic. Theyre feeling frantic behind the scenes. They are terrified that hes committing political suicide right in front of them. And theyre not sure what to do about it. Do they distance themselves . Do they speak out . Do they stay quiet . All of that is whats in the air right now. And it is whats been in the air since donald trump became president. But here is the thing, it is also what was in the air for the entire president ial campaign. Remember headlines that convey chaos, controversy, alarm. It suggested a Trump Campaign that was maybe going off the rails. How about the poll numbers during the campaign . They were falling it seemed constantly. Awful numbers on favorability, on competence on whether he was even qualified to be president. They were worse numbers than wed ever seen for a president ial candidate before. What about the reaction . Members of trumps own party panicking, convincing themselves he was committing political suicide right in front of them. They werent sure what to do. Do they distance themselves . Do they speak out . Do they stay quiet . That is right now, that was back then during the campaign. And of course when all the votes were counted back then at the end of the campaign in the face of all of that, donald trump won. If youdistened to all the noise he stirred up every day of that campaign you were convinced he was doomed. Turned out he wasnt. Obviously a very close election. What it really revealed to how deeply divided america is, the popular vote 46 for trump, 48 for hillary clinton. Clinton eking out actually a victory in the popular vote there, but what this really shows big picture a country divided in half. Its also far more support than anybody most of all people in his own party thought that donald trump had. This is all something maybe worth keeping in mind right now. Candidate trump is back, if he ever really went away. So is the uproar in the media. So is the downturn in his numbers. So is the panic in his own party. It can feel like his presidency is buckling right now, but remember it also felt like his campaign was too. So that is the big question, is the different now, or is history repeating itself . Are we just going to find out that the country is as divided now as it was on election day when it turned out there were a lot more people who were with him than almost anyone ever thought. Here now to talk about it on this friday, weve got bill press, host of the bill press show, nbcs kaci hunt with reaction from the hill, washington commentary editor and msnbcs katy tur. Thank you all for being here. Katy tur, i will start with you. You were out there on the campaign trail with donald trump. Hes going back to that right now. Hes comfortable there. What do you make of this decision to go back to what he thinks worked for him . Steve, you nailed it in that intro. This is candidate trump. And when it looked like it was most chaotic during his campaign, it was actually fine. His poll numbers may have been tanking, but his enthusiasm remained. And ultimately his poll numbers didnt tank that far. Especially when it came to the Republican Party despite some pretty high unfavorable numbers. So what you are seeing is him trying to get back to his roots. You can tell that he was itching in that white house to do what he liked to do during the campaign, which was talk, get in front of the cameras, talk to the press, go and have rallies. He was on television, National Television getting cheers, or at least being combative every single day for the past for the entire 17 months of the campaign. And hes been pretty withheld now in that white house. Almost kept in a version of solitary confinement for him. Thats part of the reason why you see the cameras follow him to those roundtable meetings. Its a chance for him to maintain a presence. So hes going to go to this somebodys having a party in this newsroom. So hes going to go to this rally on saturday and hes going to probably be faced with thousands of supporters who are all going to be cheering for him. And its going to be a chance for him to remind the Republican Party that hes the one that took them to his dance. I dont know if you can hear, but somebodys having a Birthday Party right behind this camera. Its a friday before a holiday weekend, everybodys in a festive mood i guess. I want cake. So do i. We got 51 minutes maybe we can split something. Kaci hunt, let me go to you on capitol hill. Heres a sense i get from afar and tell me if this is what youre finding or not on capitol hill. Uhhuh. Republicans remember the campaign. They thought everything donald trump was doing was wrong. They feel in their guts hes probably wrong again right now strategically, but theres some pause there because it turned out that it worked in the campaign. It did work in the campaign, steve. But look, members of congress and the Republican Party are still just as uncomfortable with donald trump today as they were during the campaign. I mean, look, all the reblicans appear donald trump was going to lose the election and he didnt. Its a bit confusing as well because they of course have to go home and they have to run again. Members of the house have to run every two years. Theres a batch of republicans up for reelection every two years. And its not clear what carried donald trump to the white house is going to carry them. And so i think that that really is the dynamic that from a political perspective we want to hone in on over the course of the coming months because at the end of the day republicans here on capitol hill they want to get things done. They see things like that press conference and they feel like it gets in the way of doing big things like passing tax reform, overhauling the health care law, but if there is something that could make them nervous, its the risk of losing their own elections. And if it comes to the point where his Approval Rating is so low and they have to go home to their states and they realize, you know, theyre running, theyre not donald trump, they do not benefit from the same things that he benefits for, whatever crossover support he may have among democrats, for example, one member of congress was telling me a very interesting story about going to a rally in their state during the campaign and looking out at the crowd and saying, you know what, ive been doing rallies in my state for 20 years. And i usually know, i stand on the stage and i know every face in that crowd. And that did not happen when this person was at trump events in that state. This member said, you know what, these people are democrats. They are not people that normally come to my rallies. And so i think that phenomenon is something we want to keep a very close eye on over the course of the comingonth because there could potentially be lot of pressure on some of these members to back away from donald trump. And while, yes, what happened yesterday might invigorate that small base of supporters, i do think its still an open question as to whether those people are the ones who ultimately made the difference for him in a general election. And thats what these members are going to be running on. You know, i just think theyre headed back for the First Time Since Donald Trump Took Office to their home states, i mean were going to learn a lot over the next week. Yeah, well bill, let me ask you. From a democrats standpoint, given the parallels were talking about between the Current Situation and what happened in the campaign, you know, democrats feeling like they look at trumps poll numbers drop right now, they look at the hit he just took from the court, the press conference and sort of the reception its gotten at least in much of the press since yesterday. I imagine democrats are feeling pretty good about their situation. Does it haunt them at all the idea that, hey, it turned out there was actually a lot more support from the last time we tested this in the election, maybe thats still the case . Well, you know, steve, i try to look at it not just as a democrat but first of all as a white house reporter. And also as an american. I mean theres no doubt, and i think the big word for washington right now is disarray. No matter what donald trump says theres total disarray at the white house. I think the first four weeks have just been a disaster on almost every front. Theres disarray in the congress as kasie pointed out. Republicans told me theyre alarmed by what they see and saw at the News Conference yesterday. And democrats i dont think really know how to read it. But at some point it seems to me and i may be wrong, at some point donald trump is a brilliant campaigner. He feeds off the crowds. They love him. Hes good at it. He knows what lines to use. At some point, i believe, you got to move beyond that and the american pple are going to judge him, if not already but pretty soon. Not by the big crowds that he gets, by what he gets done in the white house and how he governs. And so far we have seen no sign of his ability to move from campaigner in chief to the president of the United States. Well, tim, there was an interesting quote here from mitch mcconnell, a Top Republican in the senate. He said hes not a fan of what he calls the extra discussion that donald trump engages in, i think meaning twitter and a lot of things he said at that press conference yesterday. Heres a question for a republican like mcconnell though, if donald trump looks at the election as the ultimate validation of his political instincts, how do you convince him now to change . Thats exactly right. Hes not going to be a different person. And one of the things hes not going to stop tweeting. Hes not going to be focused. Today at boeing he did give a scripted speech, so that was slightly different. But for a lot of these guys when you talk to these people, we sat down with mike lee yesterday at the examiner and he was saying ive got my conservatism, trump has his populism and were going to try to make them fit together. Hes not trying to change trump. Hes trying to find the overlap. But a lot of these guys see it as providing as its a distraction but it doesnt distract them. Mitch mcconnell gets to do what he wants, gets to pass what he wants and everybody in the press is freaking out over, you know, whether trump knew what happened in the electoral college. Meanwhile the house is passing bills about planned parenthood and the senate is confirming nominees. So its distracting the media, that doesnt mean its distracting paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. And, katy tur, i wonder, i saw Reince Priebus this morning on one of the morning shows. Seemed open to the possibility that donald trump will do more in the future of what he did yesterday. Is that something you expect . Katy tur, let me try one more time. Im so sorry. Yeah, no problem. Ill say it again. Reince priebus this morning he was suggesting maybe donald trump in the future would do more of what he did yesterday, the idea of sort of going out there,cting as his own spesman, essentially it seemed delivering a message to the people. You guys arent doing this right, ill show you how its done, do you think well see more of that . Yeah, he said donald trump is his best spokesperson. And i think we could see that. I think it depends on the reaction Going Forward and whether or not this means his poll numbers drop precipitously and how the gop is able to handle it and balance it and try to get their agenda done. But i dont even think if Reince Priebus, no, donald trump, you cant do this, that donald trump would listen. Frankly, if hes going to do something, hes going to do something. Reportedly his aides told him to not get out there and have that press conference yesterday and he announced it himself and went out and did it. So i dont really think its up to Reince Priebus at this point. Its just one of those things that this is how he operated during the campaign, this is what got him to the white house. They dont see or he doesnt see any reason to change who he is. Yeah, bill, i saw you nodding there. What do you think of that idea its almost like the gm who fires the coach and takes over. Trump is the de facto White House Press secretary. Look, theres no doubt that donald trump wanted to do this because he didnt feel that his people were doing a good enough job of portraying the Positive Side of these first four weeks. So he said, damn it, you cant do it, im going to go out there and do it myself. I think he totally failed in convincing the American People that this is a well oiled machine, or whatever phrase that he used. And he ran through, i mean, so many things he claimed which were just simply not true. You talked about the electoral college, the fact he inherited a mess, on and on. And i dont think he did himself any good. So i would hope that Reince Priebus and the wiser heads would prevail, but i certainly agree with katy, i dont expect it. I think theres nobody around him who can really control him. And, tim, also raises to me i know theres been a lot of criticism, its almost fashionable in the political world to criticize sean spicer the White House Press secretary for the job hes doing, but i thought watching trump out there yesterday almost illustrated the impossibility of anybody else acting as his spokesperson. Well, thats right. Because its hard to know what his positions going to be. But also because, i mean, i disagree with bill. I think trump went out there i dont think hes trying to convince the American People that its a well oiled machine. He went out there to fight an enemy and the enemy was us, was the news media. And i think for a lot of the people he was trying to appeal to he won. It was a brawl. Sean spicer does that too. He goes out there, hes an irish guy like me, he tries to throw the punches, but nobody can throw them, nobody more importantly nobody can dodge the punches like donald trump can. And so thats how you see it. Hes fighting the news media and a lot of people think hes winning. All right. Tim, bill, katy, kasie, thank you for joining us for this mega panel on the friday before president s day weekend. We appreciate the time and we are going to take a very quick break. But on the other side of it, looking forward to this one, we are going to head out to one of those states that was for obama, thats been for a bunch of democrats going back decades but that switched to donald trump, wisconsin one of those states that trump turned red. Were going to check in on how hes being received out there in the wake of his press conference. Also, the dark and murky world of the deep state. Donald trump has aired his grievances with the Intelligence Community. Is the Intelligence Community now getting its revenge . Were going to find the leakers. Were going to find the leakers. Theyre going to pay a big price for leaking. 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Nbcs Kevin Tibbles headed to Kenosha County, wisconsin, once bustling hub of manufacturing and near majority of residents travel outside of that county for employment. President obama won Kenosha County twice. It was a big win in 2012 for him, double digits, 12 points. Check this out though, four years later talk about a swing. From 12 points for obama to a victory for donald trump. How did donald trump win wisconsin . How did donald trump win the election . Kenosha county is a big part of the story. So how are those voters feeling now after the first four weeks of the Trump Presidency . Kevin tibbles is in downtown kenosha in front of the coffee pot diner. Kevin, what are they telling you . Reporter well, you know what, steve, the coffee pot has some history here. Theyve been here since 1934. And my Friendly Research found out that thats 14 president s. 14 president s that they have watched from the coffee shop reading their morning papers and finding out the news. Whats different this time around is of course this really is not an auto Manufacturing Center anymore. As a matter of fact, the chrysler plant here has been leveled. The only real new jobs in town are out on the highway where there is a they should open up a muffler shop, but out on the highway there is an amazon fulfillment center. Here in town a lot of people are looking for jobs in this blue collar place, but when you hear people talking about this new president , you know, the phrase from just south of here, hows it playing in peoria . Well, when we talk to people in the coffee pot today about how trump is playing in kenosha, heres what they had to say. Are you disappointed with some of the stuff he says . No, because i dont read social media and i dont watch the news. Its too biased. I think hes probably keeping some of his promises. I really have a hard time getting past his rhetoric. Hes always getting slammed by reporters and media. Hes doing things different it seems like. Hes doing things not the pc way, for regular people like myself i think think the way he thinks. Doing things the way we might do them. Were not politicians. We dont play those games. He might be good you know, hes good at that. Reporter so, steve, what you hear time and time again from people who say they voted for donald trump is that even before the election when we were out here doing stories on america they were saying, well, he talks like me. He may not come from a family background like mine, he may not be a blue collar worker, but he seems to talk like me. He seems to sound like he represents me. And as several people said to me this afternoon in the coffee pot, lets give him a chance and see where it goes. Listen, there are a lot of detractors in there and heard a lot of people saying they were very upset with yesterdays press conference, but the overwhelming resonance was this guy kind of sounds like i do. And for that reason he seems to have a lot of Peoples Trust in his community, steve. All right. Very interesting. One of the places that flipped from blue to red and made trump president. Kevin tibbles out there in kenosha. Thanks for that, kevin. What about the reaction to the Trump Presidency in the beltway . Is it a sign of trouble that he just got a no from a highly respected individual for the job of National Security advisor . We will talk about that next. Earning your cash back shouldnt be this complicated. Yet some cards limit where you earn bonus cash back to a few places. And then, change those places every few months. Enough with that echo with quicksilver from capital one youve always earned unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase, everywhere. Welcome to unlimited. Whats in your wallet . 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And today scott pruitt confirmed as new head of Environmental Protection agency. Democrats trying to delay that vote. They thought they would have a chance to read emails between pruitt and gas executives ordered released by an oklahoma judge. Congressional black caucus says the white house has now reached out trying to set up a meeting with President Trump. This comes a day after the president asked reporter april ryan during his News Conference if she would help set up a meeting with the group. And Vice President mike pence arriving in germany a short while ago. He is making his debut on the world stage as Vice President. Pence attending the munich security conference. Hes going to speak there tomorrow. Hes also planning to meet with german chancellor angela merkel. And bill cosby scoring a legal victory against one of his accusers today. A federal judge in massachusetts dismissing a defamation lawsuit filed by a woman who says that he raped her back in 1974. Cosby though still facing criminal charges i pennsyla where he has pleaded not guilty to sexually assaulting anoth man in 2014. He denies the allegations. Republicans and democrats at this hour paying tribute to former House Republican leader bob michael, republican from illinois, former aide says michael passed away today at the age of 93. He held the role of minority leader in the u. S. House for 14 years. That spanned the reagan, george h. W. Bush and part of the clinton administrations. Michael known for being able to compromise with democrats. His retirement in 1994 marked a major turning point in american politics. His successor, newt gingrich, credited with moving republicans into a far more aggressive and partisan posture. And Pittsburgh Steelers Pittsburgh Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby celebrating a major milestone, 1,000th nhl point scoring the goal in last nights game. He did it in just 757 games. And now another big story this week in washington. Donald trump and his search for a new National Security advisor. The white house saying the president offered the job to retired vice admiral and navy s. E. A. L. Robert harward, he then turned it down telling Associated Press it was for personal reasons. That comes just days after the president asked Michael Flynn for his resignation for not being completely forthcoming with Vice President mike pence about his communications with russias ambassador to the United States. Joining us now to talk about this is retired fourstar general and nbc news military analyst barry mccaffrey, thank you for joining us. How do you read harwards refusal to accept the job. Seems unusual circumstance, publicly here the reason is persal but a lot of people in washington reading this as somebody qualified, competent, widely expect widely respected looking at the chaos saying i dont want to be a part of that. Well, that may well be true. I think the only thing im positive about is we need good people in government, that certainly includes National Security advisor job. There are plenty of candidates out there, theres going to be some difficulty because the intellectual heavyweights in the republican establishment denounced our current president during the campaign. So the pickins are probably more slim than they ought to be, but theres good people out there. You know, steve hadley, who was National Security advisor for bush 43, dave petraeus, i would urge civilian given the fact secretary of defense superb Public Servant jim mattis is military background, they need to go talk to Harvard Kennedy school and find out who is a defense intellectual they can bring in. Let me ask you about one of the candidates so we know this individuals a candidate because donald trump said so. He put this on twitter today said general Keith Kellogg who ive known for a long time is very much in play for nsa as are three others. We can put up a list here some of the other names tha are being circulated right now. You se kelloggs name. Hes currently the acting National Security advisor. You were quoted this week in a politico article saying you know kellogg, hes a good man, but you dont think hell be the selection. Why is that . Well, thats a pretty tough environment in there to deal with mr. Bannon and, you know, Kellyanne Conway and the chief of staff of the party. Somebodys got to have the chops to deal with them. I think general kelloggs a very fine, staple, knowledgeable good man. He clearly could do the job, but trying to deal with that inner workings of the white house right now is going to be very, very difficult. Id be happier to see a former governor, former senator, someone who had a wider, you know, audience in government and among the American People. Yeah, im curious looking at the situation and just looking at how the white house is sort of being run in general right now, if somebody was asking you just for advice on taking this job, what do you think is key to being able to perform this job in this environment . Well, ive had people call me about working for the administration. I told them to do it and try and be loyal to the president s ideas. You know, the American People deserve the best we can get in the next four years. The National Security advisors an unusually difficult position to fill. Those Department Cabinet secretaries to include state, defense, ciadirector, these are solid people who have line authority. When it comes to the nfc advisor, its somebody whos got to have the total trust and credit of the United States and somehow balance these other political concerns that in this administration are in intense. So, again, you know, kellogg would be just fine. What i think it would do is transfer more power back to cabinet secretary if didnt have a widely known major Public Servant. Is it especially important just given how short flynns tenure was, how controversial flynns tenure was, lingering questions left by that, is it particularly important to this administration right now to put somebody in that position who has that sort of wide bipartisan respect . Yeah, i think so. By the way, i think they got the time because general kellogg theres no question he knows how to bring all this stuff together. And im sure secretary mattis are comfortable with them. They dont want people turning them down in public either. But theyve got to get out there and vet some of these guys or gals. You know, dr. Condi rice was National Security advisor that i had a lot of contact with during bush 43. Thats the caliber of the person they need. And theyre out there. And they will serve the American People and this president. All right. Barry mccaffrey, thanks as always for the time. Good to be with you, steve. We will take another break here. On the other side President Trump he is waging a war against leaks. He says those responsible will pay a big price. We are going to debate the implications of those leaks. Thats next. Now . Excuse me. Again . Be right back. Always running to the bathroom because your bladder is calling the shots . You may have oab. Enough of this. Were going to the doctor. Take charge and ask your doctor about myrbetriq. Thats myrbetriq, the first and only treatment in its class for oab symptoms of urgency frequency, and leakage. Myrbetriq mirabegron may increase Blood Pressure. Tell your doctor right away if you have trouble emptying your bladder, or have a weak urine stream. Myrbetriq may cause serious allergic reactions. If you experience swelling of the face, lips, throat or tongue or difficulty breathing, stop taking myrbetriq and tell your doctor right away. 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And what do they all have in common . Headlines were putting up on the screen. Well, they are from information gleaned from government officials, often it seems from the intelligence sector, providing salacious and anonymous information to reporters. This has made trump furious. Hes now ordering the Justice Department, he says, to look into leaks. Capitol hill also reviewing how to combat the issues that have come up, House Oversight Committee Chair Jason Chaffetz saying this afternoon his committee, the House Intelligence Committee will take the lead on issues surrounding russias involvement with the Trump Campaign and that his Oversight Committee will also look at leaks. The question right now with all of these leaks, with the stories they have produced, are we seeing valuable information rightfully being brought at from behind the closed walls of the fbi or cia, or are we seeing Intelligence Committee launching an improper political war against the president . Joining me now to discuss eli lake, National Security columnist for bloomberg view. Andteve clemens, washington editor at large for the atlantic. Eli, let me start with you. One reading on everything weve been seeing, and i think this might be something a lot of people in trump world feel right now, donald trump has been critical of the Intelligence Community over the last few months. Now you have all of these anonymous leaks that are creating damaging stories for him. Is it fair to interpret this as potentially a political war being waged by the Intelligence Community against trump . Yes, it is. I think were seeing elements of the National Security state basically violating i want to clarify something. Im very much in favor of leaks in my column that came out today i said as much and i dont like leak investigation or enforcement of what i think are antiquated state secrecy laws. But when youre talking about disclosing details of monitored conversations of incoming u. S. Officials who are u. S. Citizens, i think those are police state tactics. Its very rare that reporters and i speaking as one of them would get access to such a thing. And i think that its clearly political. Especially since today were learning that the fbi doesnt is reported to not looking to charge Michael Flynn with any kind of crime at this point. So what was this all about . Steve clemens, how do you interpret it . How do you interpret the line between valuable Public Information being brought to light for the public versus what elis describing . Well, look, i think if donald trump were hugging the Intelligence Community as he did the day when he visited the cia, he celebrated james comey, i mean theres another narrative out there despite the one i think eli and i hes been at war with it, but lets just say he loved the Intelligence Community. I think i would hope the Intelligence Community that knew that they had information about how members close to him in the white hoe who we no longer servinthe constitution of the United States and were defiling itnd potentially engaged in and potentially engaged in criminal activity, i would hope that we would still see enterprising journalists make their way and find these sources in the Intelligence Community, be they leaks or be they from journalists good work, i think thats absolutely how this government works. I really respect how eli has qualified what he has put out there, that he favors leaks and whatnot. But i do think we have a lot of doubts about this particular president and how he has made some somersaults on russia, which hes entitled to do, but we also have a right to understand if his people are being blackmailed, if they are under the influence of russia, if theyve made deals that we dont know about. And i think there are many people in the National Security establishment that have their concerns that collusion has gone on. So in that circumstance i absolutely favor the leaks and i dont look at them as selective in the way that eli does though i respect his point of view. Let me ask you about it from this direction, because i want to put this tweet up. Now, this is from rob rianeeinee says its only a matter of time. The incompetent lying narcissistic fool is going down. Intelligence community will not let d. T. , donald trump, destroy democracy. And Steve Clemens, i saw that getting a lot of circulation online and i have to say it made me stop and made me think. I mean, donald trump is right now he is the dually elected president of the United States. Is this a good road for us to be going down as a country if the Intelligence Community is called upon, is relied upon for the nd of thing beingescribed there . I got to say itsob reiner here, but im hearing this from an awful lot of people and an awful lot of the president s political opponents seem to be looking saying take this guy out. I heard a liberal u. S. Senator the other day say there are two people, two people not in the Intelligence Community, but two people standing between the collapse of democracy a liberal u. S. Senator who said john mccain and james comey. And thats a remarkable Statement Given all of the antipathy about comey. The question is whether thats the right frame or not, of course its not the right frame. But this is a situation as you read perhaps in david frohms piece, the issue is the other parts of the system of checks and balances of our services in government may be cowed and so bullied and harassed, ineffective or coopted that the other parts of the government you would expect to fall into line are not necessarily doing that or going to. And thats why im concerned about the Intelligence Community. I dont say that its inappropriate if the rest of the operation, the nuts and bolts of our democracy are not working as they should, because this is an administration thats very comfortable calling out people as we saw in the press conference yesterday, harassing individuals, harassing institutions. And in that environment im ready to take any part of the system thats willing to check and control and contain an out of control executive branch. Eli lake, what do you think of the idea extraordinary circumstances justify extraordinary measures . I think that that rob reiner tweet is insanity. And i think people are losing their minds right now. Im sorry, but donald Trump Campaigned and i very vigorously disagreed with him, i wrote a column last week calling the code pink republican, but he campaigned on the idea of resetting relations with russia. His incoming National Security advisor had a conversation with the ambassador, we still dont know exactly what was said but nothing ive seen so far suggests that that is some sort of high crime that deserved this kind of extraordinary leak. And quite frankly violation of mike flynns privacy and destroying of his sort of, you know, very brief tenure as National Security advisor even though i disagree with him on these policy issues and share concerns with david frohm and Steve Clemens that there are authoritarian tendencies with this president. But turning to one of the most anti a secret state often evaded and at times been at odds with efforts to have congressional oversight as we saw only less than two years ago when there was a huge scandal with the cia tapping and eavesdropping on Senate Staffers who were trying to compile information on the torture report, its just i cant i really cannot believe im seeing democrats falling into this trap. The cia and the Intelligence Community are not going to save our democracy. Democratic party, courts and american citizens are. Lets try to get that straight. All right. Eli lake, Steve Clemens, thanks to both of you for joining us. Thank you. And coming up, some more numbers for you about donald trump, his Job Performance so far, how about deep pervasive partisan polarization and what may keep donald trump may keep his clout where it is with republicans longer than you might think. Our most important number of the day, that is next. Before fibromyalgia, i was active. I was energetic. Then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. My doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. He also prescribed lyrica. Fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. For some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. 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Single digits, just 8 . Look at that gap. And remember that gap because lets put it in perspective here. Lets compare it. Actually, you dont have to remember. We have it here again. Compare it to other recent president s. A couple things jump out at you. Take a look at this. 84 for donald trump in his own party, 84 support. How about other president s at this point in their presidency, this early point . Well, what do you see . George w. Bush less than trump had with his own party, bill clinton, less than trump had with his own party, george h. W. Bush less than he had with his own party, reagan,less than he has with his own party. The only modern president with a higher Approval Rating within his own party at this point as president barack obama just two points better. This is the dilemma for republicans. They look at that democratic number, independent number say, hey, trump is in political trouble right here. Not much room for error with him. But that kind of support from republicans, 84 Republican Office holders look at that and it does have to make them wonder sort of like the Election Results when he won a victory they never saw coming. Is he more in touch with my base, with my partys base than i am . Does he get them . Does he bond with them in a way i dont . Thats what that number has to give them pause. So when they think about, hey, is he saying something i disagree with, should i break with him, that number may give him pause. Were out of time. Mtp daily starts right now. If its friday, theres a distinct political weather pattern that is moving through the stormy fourweekold white house. Tonight, the fog of trump. America is going to start winning again. Winning like never ever before. Behind the bluster and the crowd pleasing rallies are the very real struggles of the new administration being obscured. Plus, youve heard of sticking with the union. Is donald trump now sticking it to the unions . 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