Williams. Day 1,006 for the trump administration, and there is plenty of news on this friday night, including democratic president ial candidate beto orourke abruptly dropping out of the president ial race. We will have more on that ahead. The currentha occupant of the white house meanwhile tonight iu ramping up hisho reelection bi in the midst of a snowballing impeachment inquiry. Tonight just aac day after the house voted to formalize that inquiry and one year away from the generale election, donald trump went on the attack while speaking in tupelo, mississippi. Corrupt politicians nancy pelosi and shifty adam schiff shifty and the media are continuing with the deranged impeachment witch hunt. This is one i never thought id bei involved in. The word impeachment, to me its a dirty word. Yesterday the democrats voted to potentially nullify the votes of 63 million americans, disgracing themselves and bringing shame upon the house of representatives. But ill tell you the republicans are really strong, the strongest ive ever seen them, thei most unified ive er seen them, right . The most unified ive ever seen them. Over the past five weeks, there have been 23 subpoenas issued and lawmakers have heard about 100 hours of testimony from 13 different witnesses. Those witnesses a combination of career officials and political appointees who have provided testimony that may prove quite damaging to the president. Thatgi includes testimony that there was indeed a quid pro quo with ukraine linking military aid to akr meeting with trump a investigations into political rivals. Witnesses have also testified about a shadow Foreign Policy being runad by trumps attorney personal attorney, rudy giuliani. Tonight we are learning even more about what one witness, Lieutenant Colonel alexander vindman, told house investigators this week. Vindman is the National SecurityCouncil Ukraine expert who was listening in on that july 25th phone call between President Trump and the president of ukraine. Politico and the Washington Post are both reporting that severalar days after that phone call, John Eisenberg, the top Legal Adviser for the National Security council, told vindman not to discuss his concerns about the Leaders Conversation with anyone. Nbc news has also confirmed this report. Ir the Washington Post adds, quote, the interaction between eisenberg and vindman suggests there was a sense among some in the white house that trumps call with zelensky was not, as the president had repeatedly claimed, perfect. And it threatens to undercut trumps argument that the expanding impeachment inquiry is politically driven. Nearly a dozen more officials are scheduled to testify next week. That includes John Eisenberg on monday along with Energy Secretary rick perry and acting office of management and budget director russell vought. Tonight an Energy Department spokeswomangh says that secreta perry will refuse to appear before aef closeddoor session with lawmakers, issuing a statement that says he, quote, will not partake in a secret Star Chamber Inquisition where Agency Counsel is forbidden to be present. If the committee is interested inmi conducting a serious proceeding, they are welcome to send for, the secretarys consideration an invitation to participate in an openta hearin where the departments counsel can bent present and the americ people can witness. Perry could be a key witness. He met with the president of ukraine earlier this year. Speaker pelosi told Bloomberg News she expects the hearings to go public sometime this month. She says any case to impeach the president , quote, has to be ironclad. She also added that the case to impeach could go beyond the ukraine phone call. There were 11 obstruction of justice provisions in the Mueller Report. Perhaps some of them will be part ofpe this. But, rtagain, that will be partf the inquiry to see where we go. Senator lindsey graham, a staunch trump ally, was also speaking out again , today. He was slamming House Democrats and casting doubt on their motives. I dont trust this process in the house. Its motivated by sore losers. If youre going to impeach the president based on this phone call, youre wasting your time. This is motivated by democrats to try to get an advantage in 2020. Now, as for what the public thinks about all of this, there is a new Washington Post abc news poll. It shows that 49 say the president should be impeached andpr removed from office. 47 say he should not. Here for our leadoff discussion on a friday night, susan page, Washington Bureau chief for usa today, franco ordonez, White House Correspondent for npr, and josh gerstein. Thanks to all of you for being with us. Ou susan, let me start with you. We hearde from the president tonight in mississippi. Staunchly red state, staunchly protrump state. Theyve got an election coming up therele next tuesday. Thats ostensibly the reason hes there. I have to ask you those clips we played where he addressed the impeachment question there headon, he demeaned the process, went afteran democrats all of the w things youve been hearing from him on twitter he said in front of that audience. Was his real audience in part there republican members of congress . Wasbe this an attempt to remind them that in his view, the base of the party is with him and essentially to deliver the message, you dontes want that base turning onag you, do you . This has been a very successful argument for President Trump. You look at the Impeachment Vote that weok saw in the house, and there were zero republican defections, even among some republicans who have been critical about trumps behavior in this matter, have raised questions about, and are not running for reelection chose not to break with the president on this vote. That isid a sign of the strengt the president continues to command with base Republican Voters who continue to see this process as political or describe his behavior as maybe it was the wrong thing to do but doesnt rise to the level of impeachment. We dont have an argument that he didnt do these things, that he didnt have a conversation with thet ukrainian president , that he didnt raise the issue of investigations as a quid pro quo for a meeting or for the release of military aid. Instead we hear thisit argument thatth the president made tonig. It doesnt risent to impeachmen. Theoe democrats are politically motivated. Josh, again, this question of whether republicans are going to continue to stick with the president through this process, not just in the house but ultimately in a senate trial if it comes to that, the question is will they stick with him through all of the different revelations thatl continue to come out . It might be a good moment late at night here at the end of what has beenhe a very busy week eve by thebu very busy standards th washingtons been held to lately, what were the major pieces of testimony that were presented this week that moved the ball on the question of evidence the democrats are going to useen against the president here . Well, i mean one you pointed to earlier, steve, which was this thing thats just come out today about Lieutenant Colonel vindman being told by a white house lawyer that he should not discuss the contents of the phone call that the president had, the fact that the phone call was moved onto this n. I. C. E. System, which is sort of the ultra topsecret system at the white house in order to perhaps prevent other people from learning about it. And then theres also some disagreement i think between some of the witnesses, you know. Ambassador sondland had sort of downplayed the significance of some of these interactions, and other witnesses who came in were in direct conflict with him. And then het started to back o from some ofst his testimony. So that raises the possibility that if we do have open hearings, you might hear differingyo stories from differt witnesses, and at least the possibility of some drama or some revelations. Whether thats goingso to be enough to cause any republicans in the house or in the senate to change their views, i dont know. Butn it is worth some republics inrt the senate are signaling tt theyre already breaking to a degree with the white house line and saying that this was not a perfect phone call, but it still doesnt amount to an impeachable auc offense. This in wthe Washington Post, what may end up being an emerging line of thought. A growing number of Senate Republicans are ready to acknowledge that president trumo used u. S. F military aid as leverage to forceta ukraine to investigate former Vice President joe biden and his family ast the president repeatedly denies a quid pro quo. In this shift in strategy to defend trump, these republicans are insisting that the president s action was notsi illegal and does not rise to the level ofis an impeachable offen. The president hase frustrated Senate Republicans by seeming to change his messaging strategy every day rather than present a coherent defense of his actions. Franco, its interesting because i have gotten the sense from some republicans that they are trying to find a middle ground where they can take issue with the call and someth of these actions that have come to light with regard to ukraine without reaching thear point where they say, okay, he should be impeached. He should be h removed from office. Reading this article in the Washington Post, though, whati strikes me issh if they take th approach, whats beingta outlin here, it still puts them directly at odds with the president , whose official line is this call was perfect. Its a very difficult position for the republicans to be f in. I mean, you know, the republicans and President Trump keep talking, about the july 2h call. But as jeff stated, you know, there have been so many people come forward, so much testimony, but that the charges go back way before the july 25th call. You have ambassador taylor. You have vindman talking about concerns about this shadow Foreign Policy starting well before. Then this year, fiona hill talking about last year, concerns that giuliani, the president s private attorney,ia kind of leading this charge to put more pressure on the ukraine to dokr this investigation of j bideno and his son. Republicans can no longer at least its making it much, much harder for them to just talk about this phone call, and its also becoming, as you point out, harder to not say that the president put this pressure on the ukraine urgovernment. So they need to find a different way to say it, and now theyre putting out this, that its not an impeachable offense. Susan, back to the politics and the Public Opinion on this. We mentioned theres that new poll out, abc news Washington Post tonight. 49 say, yeah, impeach and remove the president. 47 there, no. You look at the party split there, just mirror images of each other. T also you look at that 4947 split, and it really resembles the 2016 election result, and it sort of raises the question of is thishe thing just reverting where the ercountrys been for three years . F you know, isnt it exactly where we were on Election Night in 2016 where the president was elected with about 47 of the vote, and Hillary Clinton got about 49 of the vote although the Electoral College put President Trump in the white house . That is one remarkable thing about this. This has been the most turbulent presidency in modernst times wi the steadiest Approval Ratings weve ever seen. Those two things would seem to be ino conflict. That said, for a president to have 49 of americans say he ought to be removed from office is quite an extraordinary thing. An incredible challenge to this president. A sign of harde times ahead because t we have these witness coming forward with pretty consistent stories about what happened even if s they put different interpretations on how seriously we shouldta take it. Josh, i want to ask you about whats coming next week, what might be coming next week, i should say. Wenek, mentioned the nsc lawyern eisenberg in the news tonight, scheduled to appear. Democrats hoping hell appear next week. We mentioned rick perry saying hes not showing up for a closed door hearing. Democrats are hoping to hear from john bolton who apparently wont go voluntarily next week. What isol your expectation on w will actually appear in the coming days . Well, i mean weve seen an incredible amount of defiance. Remember that really caustic letter the white house put out a couple weeks ago saying there would be no cooperation whatsoever from this administration. I think the topline headline on that was that it was widely ignored by officials from the state departmentby and even the nsc officials. The nsc is part of the white house, steve, you know. Itsve on the white house websi. Its one the white house groun. So to haveit somebody in the ns defy the white House Counsel and go and testify on the hill is really an extraordinary event. That said, i think for folks like John Eisenberg, who is an attorney in the white house and works pretty much directly for the white House Counsel, i would be extraordinarily surprised if someone like that showed up, you know, except in the circumstances where they had a direct court order to do so. So i think for him, possibly for john bolton, it would be quite surprisingt to see them. Boltons lawyer has already suggested he might join a pending lawsuit seeking to, you know, obtain some ruling from the courts about whether house subpoenas are valid in the face of this president ial direction not to appear. Franco, josh mentions there is that pending litigation now as Charles Kupperman i believe his lawyer is also john boltons lawyer, boltons former deputy there. That is going to slow this process down obviously to some degree. Democrats, nancy pelosi, the house speaker, talking about beginning hearings this month. Youg know, what is the time li thats emerging here . Is there one in terms of hearings, in terms of articles of impeachment being potentially introduced, and in terms of the house actually having a debate and vote on articles of impeachment . Is there a sense of a time line for that process now . Well, theyre moving as fast as they can. They want to move it forward. Adam schiff talked about not going to allow these Court Hearings to delay their process. He said hes not going to get into or theyre not going to get into a ropeadope with the white house by allowing these courte hearings to move forwar. I mean theyre moving forward. They just had the vote on the resolution, which will lay out new ground rules for open hearings. O they have not said who yet specifically they want to talk to, but they say that the American People will hear who they need to hear from. Eventually they have talked about possibly someone like william taylor, ambassador william tayloror coming back an testifying. But they certainly feel a deadline, and they want to get it done as quick as possible. All right. Thank you allle for joining us. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, the president and his allies are starting to argue he cant be impeached if hes done nothing illegal. Well ask one of those three watergate prosecutors if thats accurate. And later, it is a big weekend for politics in iowa tonight. There iscs one fewer democrat o there running for president. The 11th hour just Getting Started on a friday night. Ru whether youre out here on lte. Or here on a wifi hotspot. Xfinity mobile has more coverage to keep you connected to what matters most. Thats because its the only Wireless Network that automatically connects you to millions of secure wifi hotspots and the best lte everywhere else. Switch now and see how you could save up to 400 a year. And get 50 off when you buy any new lg phone. Xfinity mobile. Click, call or visit a store today. The house of representatives today voted almost unanimously, 4104, to grant broad subpoena powers to the House Judiciary Committee in its inquiry into the impeachment of the president. Only once before has the house taken such a vote, in the matter of the impeachment of president andrew johnson. And 99 of the members voted for the unqualified subpoena powers. No one argued against the impeachment investigation. The only disagreement was whether to put a time limit on the resolution. John chancellor there back in 1974, the nbc nightly news. 1974, that was the year when republicans ultimately abandoned Richard Nixon and forced him to resign as president. Thus far, this has not been the case when it comes to trump and todays republicans. The house vote to formalize the impeachment inquiry was split mostly along party lines. There were no gop defections this week, a fact that has not gone unnoticed by the president. With all of this thats happening, i think the republicans have been amazing. We had 195 or 1960. We have tremendous support from the senate. We have tremendous support from the house. We even had democrats go over to the republican side yesterday in the house. Thursdays vote essentially directed the chairs of six house committees to continue their impeachment inquiries. That means the scope is not limited to trumps dealings with ukraine. The Washington Post reporting tonight, quote, the centerpiece of House Democrats eventual impeachment charges is widely expected to be trumps alleged abuse of power over ukraine. But obstruction of congress is now all but certain to be introduced as well according to multiple democratic lawmakers and aides, just as it was five decades ago when the House Judiciary Committee voted for articles of impeachment against thenpresident Richard Nixon. With us now, jill winebanks, attorney, former assistant Watergate Special counsel, and an msnbc legal analyst. She is also author of the forthcoming book the watergate girl my fight for truth and justice against a criminal president. It is due out in february. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. We just put the clip up. The closest thing to a comparable vote in 1974 with nixon and what happened this week was the vote we just showed the clip of. 4104. It was basically unanimous in the house. Democrats and republicans, i dont need to tell you, there were divided feelings about nixon, but there was unity on the question of investigation. This week, near absolute total partisan division. Whats the difference . The media. The fact that we had nbc, abc, cbs and all of them had the same facts. There was no argument about facts. That was clear. John chancellor had the same story as huntley brinkley, et cetera. And now we have total bubbles of information so that people believe totally Different Things even though only one can be true. And i believe that what were hearing here on msnbc are the facts. They represent whats really going on. And we have to remember although it was 4104, it also ended up at the end where there was a unanimous not unanimous, but there was clearly going to be a conviction in the senate and that it was the republicans who went to nixon and said, if you do not resign, you will be convicted. He said, well, i still have a lot of support in the senate. Barry goldwater allegedly said to him, you dont even have my vote. And thats when he resigned. And that was it. Obviously the president we showed at that rally tonight talking about trying to keep republicans together. Lets play this clip from the rally tonight. The republicans have great policy. In many ways theyre better politicians, but theyre not as vicious thank you, darling. I appreciate it. Theyre not as vicious, but they have a tendency to split apart. The democrats dont seem to have any mitt romneys. We do. So romney is on his mind there. Romney has been one of the most outspoken trump critics who has emerged so far. How do you see the house vote this week . Every single republican voted against the resolution. Do you read that as if it comes to articles of impeachment, that means theyre dug in . Theyll all vote against articles of impeachment, or do you see wiggle room that vote doesnt actually indicate . I think right now they are unanimous in their support because theyre afraid of donald trump. He is obviously bribing them with money, saying if you want money to support your campaign and if you dont want to have an opponent in the primary, you better support me. And he has raised an enormous amount of money. But i think in the end, once they go back home and start hearing from their constituents, who are starting to believe and understand, and we now have almost 50 of the American People 49 say he should not only be impeached. He should be removed. Thats a very dramatic thing. Also if you follow the statistics from watergate, its not dissimilar. In watergate, you had a very popular president , someone who won 49 states, who won the overwhelming popular vote. And yet at the end, as the facts started coming out, those numbers switched. So he went from having over 64 Approval Rating to having a 20 Approval Rating, and support for impeachment went from 20 to over 50 . It was really correlated to the facts. The issue now is will people who watch fox news get the same facts . Will they see the full hearings . Will they see the live witnesses . It was very dramatic when john dean raised his hand and testified. There were three times more people watching than watched michael cohen. So we need to get the people to watch. The public hearings are extremely important, and people are starting to understand ukraine in a bay they never understood the mueller russia investigation. They seem to really somehow inherently just get that what he did was an abuse of power, that he was basically shaking down a foreign government, and even though he, during the Mueller Report, said, well, maybe he didnt know that it was wrong to take money from a foreign government, after the Mueller Report theres no question that donald trump and his entire family know that you cannot ask for or accept anything from a foreign government. And asking for help with your campaign is clearly something of value that is illegal. And we dont need illegal. I dont want to focus on crimes because high crimes and misdemeanors does not mean a violation of the federal code. Let me ask you this. February 1974, the house launches the impeachment inquiry formally. End of july, the Judiciary Committee votes. I think 2711 articles of impeachment. Within two weeks, nixon is done. Its over. How fast do you think things would move right now . Well, the obstruction here, the stonewalling is much greater. And actually the count the article of impeachment that i really think is significant is the contempt of congress, which is just as bad as the obstruction, just as bad as the abuse, maybe even more so because its destroying democracy, which is built on having checks and balances and having oversight. And if you say, i wont have any witnesses come in from the white house for anything hes not letting them come in to talk about immigration. Were not just talking about criminal investigations. Its the entire oversight process thats being challenged. Everything happened really quickly during watergate, and they are doing a much better job of dragging their feet. The courts acted on the expedited cases and things went fast. And the one thing you left out in what happened in that period was we had subpoenaed in the Prosecution Office 64 additional tapes, one of which was the smokinggun tape. And the minute that got heard, it was like the final straw. It was one where you could hear the president and his chief of staff talking about using the cia to stop the fbi from following the money trail because the money came from the committee to reelect the president to pay for the burglary at the dnc. And once people heard that, that was the end. People said, this is real. We have to get rid of him. And that was what broke everything. Jill winebanks, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, there are bill political headlines out of iowa this week. Im going to go over to the big board. New numbers, brandnew numbers from the state that gets the first say in whos going to be the democratic nominee for president next year when the 11th hour continues. It takes a village to raise a child. To build a bridge. To throw a baseball. To throw yourself into the unknown. To lose fear, to create hope. 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Iowa, then eight days later the New Hampshire primary. Then the end of the next week, nevada. Then a week later, South Carolina. Then youre into march. Then youre into super tuesday. These are the winnowing contests. Theyre the bones who decide ar real contenders. So with that in mind, with all the candidates out there in iowa, what does it look like in these early states right now . Here you go. Heres where they are right now. Heres iowa. Brandnew poll out today, New York Times. Sienna college. Warren leading right now. Its close but warren leading in their iowa poll today. 22 . Look at this. Bernie sanders, second place, 19 , just three points off warren. Remember about a month ago we were all talking about bernie sanders, his health scare, oldest candidate in the field. Was he going to start to fade out in the polling . This is proof right now, at least to his campaign this would strongly suggest hes very much in contention in iowa. If youre in contention in iowa, youre in contention for the democratic nomination. Buttigieg doing much better in iowa than hes doing in the national polls, than hes doing in some of the other early state polls. He is in contention in iowa. So is fourth place here technically, joe biden. Hes only five points behind warren, but it is fourth place in this pecking order. Joe biden sitting there at 17 . Think about that if youre joe biden. If you cant win iowa, if you were to finish third, fourth place, Something Like that in iowa and youre running on the idea of electability, what does that do to that image . What happens then . So you got four candidates tightly clustered there. They could all point to a scenario where they win iowa. Remember, iowa we say reshuffles the deck. This is where New Hampshire stands right now. Its also cluttered. By the way, sanders, newest poll in week, in first place in New Hampshire. What happens if sanders sneaks up and wins iowa . Does he roll it into New Hampshire and win New Hampshire . Whats the track record of candidates winning both iowa and New Hampshire . On the democratic side in the modern era, candidates who have done that are undefeated when it comes to winning the democratic nomination. What about warren . If warren won iowa, would she turn around and win New Hampshire based on the momentum . You could point to a scenario. Buttigieg, biden, warren, sanders. You win iowa, its not hard to see any of them rolling it into New Hampshire. If you win iowa and New Hampshire, history says your campaigns going to look very strong coming out of that. So this is a very unsettled race right now. Theres an opportunity for any of those four candidates to win either of those first couple states. By the way, history says in iowa at this point, you dont have to be at the top right now. Candidates have come from the very back of the pack late in iowa. Won iowa and then gone on from there. Long way of saying klobuchar may be at 4 right now. Doesnt mean shes out of in iowa. Doesnt mean some of the other candidates are out of it in iowa either. Weve seen candidates get very hot in iowa. Win iowa and the world changes. Everybody is there right now. Going to be an interesting weekend. Coming up, the candidate who once said he was born to run is out, and another candidate shuts down offices in a violate early primary state. We dissect it all when the 11th hour continues. And i urge everyone who was part of this campaign or supported me in my bid for the nomination to do everything they can to support whoever the nominee is. Beto orourke is out of the 2020 president ial race. The former texas congressman has been struggling in the polls and with fundraising in recent months. At this point he hadnt even qualified for the november 20th debate thats going to be here on msnbc. Orourkes Campaign Said in a statement he will not run for senate in texas next year. Meanwhile, politico is reporting that Kamala Harris campaign has almost completely shuttered its New Hampshire operation. Quote, the campaign confirmed it is largely abandoning New Hampshire, keeping only a Skeleton Crew and canceling an upcoming visit. Harris also will not file in person to be on the ballot, a tradition that garners local media attention. Earlier this week, harris announced plans to restructure her campaign, laying off dozens of aides at her baltimore headquarters to, quote, go allin on iowa. Here to talk about all of it, Jonathan Allen, Nbc News National Political reporter, and beth fouhy, who is in iowa covering tonights liberty and justice event. Thanks to both of you for being with us. John allen, let me start with you. I guess in the big picture sense, it is not a surprise that beto orourke is dropping out of this president ial race. Didnt even look like he was going to make the next debate. And yet this was a very sudden departure, it sounds like. Whats going on there . So sudden, in fact, steve, i spoke to one of his supporters, a big supporter from the west coast who had flown into iowa today for this liberty and justice dinner. Didnt find out that orourke was exiting the race until she landed. Was not upset i mean upset obviously that he was ending the campaign, was not upset that she didnt find out before she got to iowa. Understood that this was something that probably coming, certainly understood that orourke was going to speak to his supporters and everything. But it certainly was sudden for a lot of people who made plans to be there for the dinner tonight. So, beth, on the one hand theres the beto orourke news. On the other hand, this Kamala Harris. Two stories this week with harris. Number one, restructuring the campaign. That looked like discouraging enough news for her. Now essentially pulling out of New Hampshire. I got to say eve seen the move where the candidates say im going to skip iowa, try to jump start it in New Hampshire, jump start it later. Shes putting everything in iowa but simultaneously pulling out from New Hampshire. This seems like an unusual move. Yeah. Well, a lot of it is driven by budget of course. But she really didnt have a whole lot of really well thought out strategy here in terms of thinking that she could sort of like just play a little bit in iowa, play a little bit in New Hampshire and then somehow come out and do very well in South Carolina. Thats what her advisers had sort of projected that she could do to sort of do that hat trick. But you know, steve, thats really not very feasible. You have to show some strength right out of the gate. You have to show strength in iowa. You have to show strength in New Hampshire, one or the other, preferably both, or you dont get that lift you need to go into South Carolina and the super tuesday states. They had to really restructure their whole plan. I have to tell you, steve, Kamala Harris looked very strong tonight. She had one of those moments. Weve seen her throughout the campaign have certain moments. She had that moment with joe biden on the first debate in june. She had the moment when she kicked off her campaign in oakland. This i would say is another one of those moments. She had sort of a new message in her stump speech. She said justice is on the ballots and ticked through the many ways she could say justice is on the ballot. She got a really rousing response and not just from the people who have been brought in the campaign to be there for her. It was one of her better performances that ive seen. Thats interesting because this event tonight, i think it used to be the jeffersonjackson event. But this is where in the fall of 2007, barack obama gave a speech that sort of relaunched his campaign, gave him for the momentum for the final push to win the iowa caucuses. Youre saying harris had a good night there. What have you been hearing from the other candidates there tonight . Well, Pete Buttigieg was really trying to model on that 2007 obama performance that you mentioned, steve. He came in with a huge, huge, huge cadre of supporters, a lot of whom had come in from out of state. I saw 100 buttigieg supporters in a coffee shop today in iowa who had come in from california. The first thing that buttigieg said when he came out on the stage, he said the first time i came to iowa was to campaign for a young man with a funny name. And we all knew who he was talking about. He was talking about barack obama. He too is the young man with the funny name, trying to draw that link. He gave a really rip roaring speech. It was effective, and he did have a Strong Organization here. I guess my point is that kamala surprised people by how well she did given she was really on this kind of fadeout for so long. John, beto orourke was up against the reality of potentially not making this debate. Theres the november debate. Then in december theyre raising the dnc as the criteria again. Do you expect to see more dropouts in the next few weeks . I think we may see some of that steve. This is getting harder and harder for a lot of the candidates. I think theres frustration among some of their supporters in particular because we havent seen any contests. We havent seen any voting yet. But the dnc rules are what they are in terms of the number of donors you have and the polling numbers that they expect for these candidates to get. Im hearing from some of my sources that theyre upset that what this does is essentially in some cases require these candidates to spend a lot of time raising money rather than spending time in iowa or some of these other states canvassing and trying to get support. So we will see how it shakes out. But i do expect well see a little bit more of a winnowing. 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The New York Times sums it up this way, quote, warren on friday proposed 20. 5 trillion in new spending through huge tax increases on businesses and wealthy americans to pay for medicare for all, laying out details for a landmark government expansion that will pose political risks for her president ial candidacy while also allowing her to say she is not raising taxes on the middle class to pay for her health care plan. Earlier today during an interview on pbs, joe biden was asked about warrens plan. Elizabeth warren today put out an estimate for the cost of her medicare for all plan. She put it around 20 trillion ondollars over a number of years. In the past the estimate had been 34 trillion. Shes talking about making up the defense with targeted defense spending cuts, a wealth tax, cracking down on tax evaders. Shes making it up. Look, nobody thinks its 20 trillion. Its between 30 trillion and 40 trillion. Still with us, Jonathan Allen and beth fouhy. Beth, warren is making obviously a big bet here that the democratic electorate is looking for something more than just beating trump. Theyre looking for something very big in terms of policy. Biden, you can see there and youve seen other democrats do this as well is trying to tell people, thats just way too expensive. What do you think the politics of that are on the democratic side right now . Well, warren, as you said, has really gone sort of all in on medicare for all. She doesnt appear to be backing off. You know, weve seen other candidates sort of try their hand at maybe medicare for all who want it or sort of a medicare sort of gradual transition. Shes really going right for the heart of this and saying, you know, this is where shes going to put herself on the line. So you can look at the plan she laid out today and intellectually it does you know, the numbers add up, and she talks about where shed get the money and that middle class taxpayers would not see their taxes go up. She did check some important boxes there. The problem is that politically nobody believes that any of this is something that she could accomplish. With the senate needing 60 votes to pass anything, even if democrats were to regain the majority, the expectation is theyre not going to get a majority 60 votes in the senate anytime soon, if perhaps in the next decade. And even if they did, to even have democrats sign on to something of this magnitude would be a very big lift. Thats the part she has not answered yet. Today she answered the intellectual sort of question about how do the numbers add up. She hasnt answered the political question yet. We showed joe bidens reaction to it in an interview. Warren was then asked about. She gave an interview to bloomberg and heres what she said. According to bloomberg, she swatted back at bidens criticism. She accused him of, quote, running in the wrong president ial primary. Democrats, she said, are not going to win by repeating republican talking points. So if biden doesnt like that, im just not sure where hes going. John allen, that response from warren essentially saying that the biden criticism we just showed, that is giving aid and comfort to the enemy tribe. Will that resonate with democrats . No, i dont think thats exactly a fair criticism of what Vice President biden said because what Vice President biden is saying is that Elizabeth Warren cant do what she wants to do. And i think what republicans are saying is she shouldnt do what she wants to do. The case that she has to make to the public is that this plan is not only the right plan but also one that she can get done. And i think shes started to make that case. By the way, i dont think this is just a plan for democrats. I actually think there are certainly some independents out there that will be attracted to this, and maybe there are some Republican Voters out there who will find this to be something that is appealing. The 52 trillion shes talking about over a decade sounds like a lot of money, but its actually what americans are going to spend on health care over the next decade without her plan. The only difference is the 27 million or so who would be insured under her plan versus not under her plan and of course the big changes in how all that works, basically whether its a government system or a private system. But this is the big test for her. She says she wants big structural change. If she can sell that to the public in the democratic primary, she can sell it to the public in the general election, shell have a lot better chance. Shell have a mandate as president to get it done. If she cant sell it, shes not going to be the democratic nominee or the president and it wont matter. Beth, very quickly, every debate so far to date, it seems like shes been hit with that question, will middle class taxes go up. Its been notable her refusal to grapple with that question directly. Now in this plan today shes offering a direct answer. Her answer in this plan, at least according to her, was no. Why wasnt she ready to give an answer like that until now . Well, you know, im sure she wanted to green eye shade the whole thing and make sure her numbers could add up without any middle class tax hike. The question is whether this comes off as believable to not only members of congress but to the public. As john said, she would really have to bring along a huge public wave of support for this type of plan, for it to have any chance at all of getting anywhere if she were elected president. And its just people are going to have a lot of skepticism about this. Theyre just not going to believe that something of this magnitude could be accomplished without sort of, you know, higher costs borne by everybody. She made an effort today to say that that wasnt the case, but it depends on whether people are going to believe that. Beth fouhy out there in iowa where all the action is right now and Jonathan Allen, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. Well have more 11th hour after a quick break. These folks dont have time to go to the post office they use stamps. Com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. Before we go, some reminders. You can watch us anytime youd like by downloading the msnbc app on your mobile device. If youre on the move, you can listen live each night on sirius xm satellite radio. Were also available as a free podcast. Speaking of podcasts, you can also download and subscribe to my brandnew podcast. 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