60 of the people in iowa have writing this book, for going out change. Ded who to vote for or of your way. This is a jumble at the end here. Tightrope, Nicholas Kristof i think whats going to be more and cheryl wu done. Important is how these that is tonights last word. Candidates close in the next couple weeks than their closing the 11th hour with Brian Williams begins right now. Statements tonight. Where impeachment i think will affect this potentially is we have three people who are not going to be in union halls and well, good evening once cafes in iowa. Again from our nbc news theyre going to be in headquarters here in new york. Washington. And Pete Buttigieg and joe biden day 1,090 of the trump in particular are going to be seeing thousands if not tens of administration. 294 days until our 2020 thousands of people. Youre doing seven, eight events a day. President ial election. So they will find ways to appear the president s impeachment trial will likely start one week on this program and others to reach in iowa, but that is a from today, tuesday, the 21st. Disservice. Theyre spending every day with their finger on the pulse of and again tonight we have something of a remarkable split what iowa caucus attenders care about. I think they care deeply about impeachment but i think for a lot of voters its baked into screen. During this evening, during the runup to the debate and indeed the cake already. Lawrence odonnell, i hate when hes reasonable. During the debate broadcast, the impeachment case has worsened lets go backstage. You are the president ial for donald trump as we are starting to see the contents of campaign professional of this group. The cell phone and files of one youre there an hour before this
debate. Thats when this news reaches lev parnas. And it is giving us a window everyone there. Youre a staff member. You pick up all of this into a rather astounding information. But you have a prepped candidate operation supervised by rudy whos been prepped on everything giuliani in the name of the except this new information. President and what, if true, you have a choice. Youre going to approach your appears to be the fullon candidate and flood that candidate with some very hot new surveillance of our own u. S. Information, or youre going to let your candidate go on and do ambassador to ukraine. What your candidate planned to the material, the notes, the do. Text messages are stunning, so is what youre saying is thats the pressure of this decision . We will pursue both of these do you try to force something paths here tonight. New into this debate that no one first a check of the headlines planned for . Right. Out of tonights debate. So i think theres the game plan robert costa is the national they went in with, and they all political reporter for the had their strategy about how much to talk about impeachment or not and what to say about it. Washington post, host of youd want to brief the Washington Week on pbs. Candidate. We have late breaking news, so robert, what do you have . Reporter the big moment theyre not caught unaware. Mmhmm. But they all go in with a tonight, brian and you just strategy, and whats pretty referenced it was the clear is theyre all trying to disconnect between the house and whats going on in the democratic president ial race. Be our nominee. And what happens in 20 days in not a lot of discussion about this pending impeachment trial iowa will be crucially important, and they decided to in the senate and the reams of not put impeachment front and new evidence thats emerging on forward. Capitol hill. So theyre the experts in what in terms of politics, the raw race right now is really between the caucus goers are thinking. Senator sanders, senator warren, so youd want to brief them. Just weeks before iowa, battling senator mccaskill has actually debated and won a bunch of not only over medicare for all and their positions, but about debates. We forget these are human that private meeting this he had exercises, so this is really months ago. Hard. Its hard enough to prepare senator warren stood by her under the ideal circumstances, position tonight onstage under but i think whats clear is they the bright lights. Didnt think there was much robert, what do you think profit in leaning into impeachment very hard. Went into the decision either by but it does seem like a possible biden moment missed. The journalists, the moderators, if there was one candidate up the network or even the campaign there who might want to show, im going to protect u. S. Chiefs who, by the way, had time to brief their candidates before ambassadors. Ive been there. I have this experience. The telecast went on the air because this is a story about possibly the life of an American Ambassador being threatened by tonight, if nothing else, to use this as a reference point, maybe even a dodge to say this associates of the president of material is coming out this the United States, and one of those associates, Rudy Giuliani, evening while we speak, and time in this news story thats developed in the hour before the is of the essence. Reporter part of the reason, debate has put in writing to the brian, when you talk to Democratic Campaign strategists president of ukraine, im doing is there is such a reluctance in this with the president s full knowledge and approval. The party to counter speaker and lets be clear pelosis positioning or her for one candidate to be able to stand up and say, im going strategy in any way. She is not the president of the to you know, that could never United States. Shes the speaker of the house. But she is essentially the happen obviously, but we obviously have to protect the leader of the Democratic Party. Lives of ambassadors. It could have been a big moment. While theyre all running for the nomination, they want to lets be clear and not assign stay close to her, and they know blame. This was also a production of two news organizations that shes dealing with multiple issues at this time. Robert costa, please dont go supplied three moderators that anywhere. Made a conscious choice not to and before we bring in all of raise the topic during the our guests and experts that we course of this live broadcast. Have assembled in the studio, well, i, for one, dont blame lets try to get a read on the the moderators on that because tonnage of documents released by its almost of questionable House Democrats tonight, all of fairness whether you bring up something thats just happened it from lev parnas. In the last 60 minutes or less. For that were joined by our own it was there for a candidate to josh letterman, National Political reporter for nbc news. Grab. If a candidate was adequately briefed, if the candidate could manage it with Everything Else josh, youre here by request of that candidate had to handle, it a lot of us, and its a tall was there, and no one grabbed order to ask you to rank this in the form of headlines as it has it. To claires point, youre not running for dog catcher or park taken us all evening long, while superintendent. Youre running for president. Watching the debate, to wade you should know how to pivot and through whats been released. React to breaking news. If you would have moderated but it is truly stunning that debate, would you have asked the question . Material. I would have insisted on it, stunning, brian. Just when we thought that all of but thats me, and that doesnt the basic facts in the judge anybody else and what they impeachment saga had come out, a did or did not do tonight. Bombshell night. I understand that, but i new facts, new Text Messages, think it would be because this is what president s do. They have to react on the dime. Even a new character that we did not know about before in this they have to, like, synthesize
story line. Information quickly. So i want to walk you through to me it would have been, i exactly what were learning from think, a moment. These Text Messages and brian, to be fair, your documents that weve been going through over the last few hours. Question would have included all the first is a brandnew letter the relevant information in case that we did not know about they havent heard. I would have figured out a before that Rudy Giuliani wrote way to sin op size it just to president zelensky of ukraine in which he identifies himself tonight. Chris matthews, were preparing as private counsel to president for the first of our candidates. Donald j. Trump, says hes Steve Kornacki, do what you do representing him as a private better than anyone in this room. Citizen, not as president of the United States. Zoom out. Give us the big picture tonight. But in that same letter, he says we are. Youre talking about it here. He is has a specific request, we are in the home stretch. And thats that he wants to meet inside of three weeks until the with zelensky as well as with Iowa Caucuses. Lets talk about what is at victoria tinsing, this kwiv stake because theres the lawyer that had been working possibility this race could be with him on this effort. In for a big shakeup based on another new piece of those results. Information, handwritten notes let me tell you where things from lev parnas, this indicted stand. We have two polls out just in the last couple days from iowa. Associate of Rudy Giuliani, taken from the ritzcarlton on look at this, the Des Moines Register poll here. Memo pad in the hotel there in four candidates within five points of the lead here, within five points of each other from vienna, where theyre basically plotting out this campaign that sanders at 20 to biden at 15. They are going to carry out, and very fluid there. He actually writes get zelensky the second poll out of iowa, a
to announce that the biden case somewhat similar result although will be investigated. In this one, biden edging into a another major piece of new sixpoint advantage and the information here, brian, is a other three bunched back there. New character by the name of possibility here. Robert hyde. Weve seen this in iowa races in hes a republican whos actually the past, that there is late running for congress at the Movement Toward one candidate, moment in connecticut, and has toward two candidates, away from another. Apparently been working with lev there is late movement that gives this race definition. Parnas, and theres really some when i say this democratic race pretty alarming details in here could be in for a reshuffling about what appears to be a and a reordering based on the iowa results, this is what i Surveillance Campaign on former mean. Any one of these four candidates could win iowa. Ambassador yovanovich, that he then what happens eight days says to lev parnas he was later . We go to New Hampshire. Carrying out while they were look at the situation in New Hampshire right now. Trying to get President Trump to it is just as fluid. Four candidates, the same four, fire ambassador yovanovich. And in these whatsapp text within five points of each messages that were handed over other. It raises the possibility. To congress, he talks about we have seen this before, of a yovanovichs whereabouts as well candidate winning iowa, perhaps as her electronic and phone a candidate winning iowa by a communications, saying she better margin than expected going in, getting a ton of talked to three people. Her phone is off. Momentum, media coverage, everything that comes with that, her computer is off. In another text message, saying rolling it into New Hampshire eight days later and suddenly shes next to the embassy. I reached out tonight to being 20. Ambassador yovanovichs legal candidates who can pull that off team, heard back from her in the past theres a
question here of whether that will be the case this year. Lawyer, lawrence robbins, who says the notion that american but candidate whos have managed citizens and others were to pull that feat off in the monitoring ambassador past, win iowa and win new yovanovichs movements for hampshire so far in contested unknown purposes is disturbing. Races, undefeated in going on and winning the democratic we trust that the appropriate nomination. This is why we dont allow authorities will conduct an Steve Kornacki to leave the investigation to determine what building this time of year. Happened. I reached out to the state Steve Kornacki, dont leave this department to see if they will actually grant that studio, please. Investigation. Chris matthews with tom steyer so far no word from the state tonight in des moines. Department, but we are hearing back late tonight, brian, from reporter brian, thank you. Robert hyde himself. Tom, lets talk about what you he told me in a text message were listening to and nobody just a few minutes ago that he else in the world was listening had written these texts to what he calls some buddies of his to. As the debate ended, we noticed you were leaning into the while theyd had a few drinks. Conversation between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. He says the Text Messages were what were those two chatting to, quote, a dweeb i met a few about . Look, i dont know what they were saying. Times. And hes also lobbing some all i was trying to say was to insults as house intelligence both senator warren and Senator Committee chairman adam schiff. Sanders was, its great to see so, josh, about mr. Hyde, you. Thank you for participating in because his name starting this, and whatever they were tonight and through tomorrows going on between each other, i was trying to get out of the way news cycle, for infinity, is as fast as possible. That makes sense. Going to become of some note. Lets talk about something he is, i think, the titular youve been identified with a couple of years, impeachment. Owner of a landscaping business it just keeps growing like in connecticut. Fingernails on a cadaver. It just keeps growing. He was last a thing when he were getting new information tweeted something so gross about tonight about theyre going Kamala Harris when she got out after the russians are going of the race that it had to be after burisma. Theyre still trying to knock taken down. Off what was the summers the hartford current tonight frontrunner, joe biden. He may not be. Reporting that he had to be escorted away from maralago by he may still be the frontrunner police. In some of these areas, no charges, however, saying to certainly nationwide. Theyre still playing the trump police at the time he thought there was a hit on him. Campaign. Look, what weve seen from the first day of the trump it was it strained administration is corruption. Credibility that a landscape Business Owner from connecticut you know, this impeachment running for congress was somehow process is focusing just on this tied in and doing contractor ukraine situation. Right. But i started the need to work, if not tailing a u. S. Impeach movement, and ambassador. And youre telling us that 8. 5 million americans signed on tonight hes going with the because this president was corrupt on day one. Story that this was perhaps he started obstructing justice almost from his first day in alcoholinfused, that this was these notes about office. Right. And ukraine is just an yovanovich and her whereabouts example of what weve seen. And her life were the stuff of every rock you turn over with fiction, that he made them up on mr. Trump, theres going to be a the spot as part of a ruse . Well, hes not saying that he made them up necessarily. Slug underneath. Hes just saying that these text theres something wrong. Speaking of slugs, what do you make of the latest evidence messages had been sent after he had had a few drinks. That Rudy Giuliani was put on a mission by this president to but i followed up with him to say, okay, but did you actually work around the u. S. Government to get zelensky, the president have a Surveillance Campaign on of ukraine, to do his bidding ambassador yovanovich . And dig up the dirt . He wont answer that question. More information on that in these new documents, these new but, look, this is a guy who has built sort of a name for himself emails. Chris, everything that were as a bomb thrower in republican going to learn about this president and the people who are political circles, ingratiated taking his direct orders is that they dont obey the law. Himself with the trump orbit by they put themselves above the making a lot of republican American People. Donations, saying a lot of they dont care one bit about really controversial things, their oath to the constitution. Including that tweet that he had to delete about Kamala Harris. Look, the reason that ive been and from all indications, hes not backing down from that fighting on this, the reason that the American People have bombast in his response to these latest Text Messages tonight, dragged washington to see this brian. Is were a country of laws. Josh, thank you for delivering exactly what we needed you to deliver at the top were supposed to stand up of our broadcast tonight. Internally and around the world we greatly appreciate it. For freedom, justice, equality. We are aware that closing statements are wrapping up and thats america. If we give up on that, we give that we will be welcoming more up on the idea of america. Audience in after the debate. How will you feel the day the but lets talk about what weve got here in front of us with president stands before the u. S. Claire mccaskill, former congress, maybe as soon as the democratic senator from the great state of missouri, and state of the union, february 4th, and says, ive been eugene robinson, pulitzer
prizewinning columnist for the acquitted . This is what ill think washington post. Senator, when we all sat down will you continue to fight here tonight, you shared my for impeachment in some other surprise that none of this was no. What ill be doing, im running raised by either side in the for president , chris. If he isnt thrown out of debate tonight. It appears we have a wheelbarrow office, he will be he will of evidence thats going to be lose his reelection because driven from the house over to hes incompetent. He not only has been breaking the senate just in time for the start of the trial. The law from day one, he is the yeah. This is pretty big stuff to be most incompetent president i can ignored on the debate stage. I was surprised that someone imagine. Watch his behavior. Hes terrible for the American People. Didnt pivot and grasp the we can do so much better in moment because when youre president , thats what you have every dimension. To do. How can you account in you live moment to moment, and history for the fact that you were the john brown of this you react moment to moment with thing, that you started this what comes across the transom. Thing two years, three years so i think somebody missed an ago . What did you see in trump that opportunity tonight to appear was so corrupt that it requires very president ial and speak to your entire purpose to get rid the gravity of this and frankly of this guy . Call on the secretary of state everybody knew he was corrupt. The difference was this, chris. Tomorrow to announce an you know this. My dad was a naval officer in investigation as to the circumstances surrounding the world war ii, and he became the assistant to the chief ambassadors removal from the prosecutor of the nazi war ukraine and whether or not there is any evidence that she ever crimin
did anything other than going criminals. And he told us if you see something evil at the heart of after corruption. Hes got a morale problem there america, you fight it early. Anyway. You dont let it establish you talk to experts like andrea itself and spread. Mitchell about the state of the state department right now, and and thats why 8. 5 million americans called their congress its bleak. People, emailed their congress so i dont get this, and let me people and said, lets step up just say this about rudy for whats right here in giulianis letter. America. When he says im representing thats what were about as a people. Brian, tom steyer, a man very the president in a personal much on the stage tonight. Capacity, this is very common, many people think he was equal he says. To all the others even though he no. No, its not. Its not very common at all. Made it at the last minute. Brian . Hes not representing him in a not even the wealthiest person capacity. Billionaire in the race for the hes doing political bagman Democratic Party. Who would have thought it . Stuff for him. Hes over there trying to gentlemen, thank you both very much. Anyone considering turning in influence the election of donald for the night, weve given trump, which means hes working on behalf of his campaign, which you so far were a half hour is illegal to start with, and into this, john brown, slug, and cadaver references. Its not common. You got to stay with us at this so that letter is very damning point. Robert costa is. In terms of Rudy Giulianis role he remains standing by for us in washington. As are the notes from and robert, i have a dual question somebody needs to take lev for you. Number one, how does this work . Parnas deposition like tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Lets take tonights mountain of again, if youre just joining us, this did not come up new evidence being released by the House Democrats . I described as a wheelbarrow. Tonight, the story we have taken the time and effort to itemize how and when does this get at the top of our broadcast and will be talking about alongside wheeled over to the senate side in the hands of the house whatever happens on that debate managers to be announced stage tonight did not get raised tomorrow morning and introduced on the debate stage tonight. Into that trial . I am told these six democrats second question, whats the real have just finished what will be chance an impeachment trial is their last debate before the going to have to go into recess Iowa Caucuses. So that we may move to the house the moderators are wrapping up. That is our cue to begin now our chamber and welcome the president of the United States down the center aisle to deliver postdebate coverage. Much of the attention tonight, of course, on Elizabeth Warren the state of the union . Reporter to your second and Bernie Sanders following question, its very likely based news of a growing feud between on my reporting tonight that this senate trial could extend the two progressive wing into february, into the state of candidates. In a statement yesterday, youll the Union Address right after the Iowa Caucuses. Recall Elizabeth Warren confirmed reports that bernie what youre looking at now in terms of the evidence coming sanders indeed told her back in into the houses hands and to the hands of every american who 2018 he didnt think a woman is reading tonight about lev could win the presidency. It is a charge sanders has parnas is you have a lot of pressure on these managers who vehemently denied, and on cue will be appointed tomorrow morning to make the case. Tonight they were both asked about it onstage. And heres my new reporting tonight from capitol hill. Senator warren confirmed in a Senate Republicans such as statement that in 2018, you told senator ted cruz are putting new her that you did not believe pressure on mcconnell, the majority leader, to not call that a woman could win the witnesses or if hes going to election. Why did you say that . Call witnesses like john bolton, the former National Security well, as a matter of fact i didnt say it. Adviser, he must then, in and i dont want to waste a exchange, also demand that whole lot of time on this hunter biden or even joe biden because this is what donald trump and maybe some of the testify on capitol hill, a media want. Anybody knows me knows that its position that of course enrages and irritates democrats. They do not want to come up to incomprehensible that i would think that a woman could not be any witness agreement on those grounds. So if youre now a manager and president of the United States. Go to youtube today. You have this new information, when you make the case before there is some video of me 30 years ago talking about how a any kind of witness comes woman could become president of forward, because they may not come forward if theres no the United States. Youre saying that you never agreement, you now have to make a compelling case on the senate told senator warren that a woman floor that may include new could not win the election . That is correct. Information that you can reference. That is why we always invite senator warren, what did you robert costa to be a part of our think when senator sanders told coverage. Bob, thank you very much. You a woman could not win the our first break has arrived. Election . As you can tell, no shortage of i disagreed. Things to discuss when we come right back. Hello mom. Bernie is my friend, and i am not here to try to fight with bernie. But, look, this question about whether or not a woman can be president has been raised, and
its time for us to attack it headon. And i think the best way to talk about who can win is by looking amandas moms appointment at peoples winning record. Just got rescheduled for today. So can a woman beat Donald Amanda needs right at home. Trump . Our customized care plans provide as much look at the men on this stage. Or as little help as her mom requires. Collectively they have lost ten elections. The only people on this stage whether its a ride to the doctor or help around the house. Who have won every single election that theyve been in oh, of course are the women, amy and me. Tom, i am really sorry. Ive gotta go. So true. Look, call right at home. We were expecting the moment get the right care. Right at home. To happen. The moment went pretty much like that. As we talk about our dueling before discovering nexium 24hr stories here tonight, weve been to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine joined by a full complement of enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. Extended family and friends to help us cover a big night in the now no fruit is forbidden. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts Democratic Party. Joining claire and gene, with us for allday, allnight protection. Here in new york, alicia can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . Menendez, msnbc host and author of the likability trap. David plouffe, Campaign Manager for barack obama in 08, a newly minted msnbc political analyst. You know him, lawrence
odonnell, host of the last word. Over at the big board, our National Political correspondent Steve Kornacki. And in washington, d. C. , the aforementioned robert costa joined tonight by jason johnson, politics editor for the root and a frequent guest of ours. And in the spin room in des for allday, allnight protection. Moines, iowa, Chris Matthews, my body is truly powerful. The host of hardball. I have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c. Good evening and welcome to all of you. Because i can still eugene, i owe you the remainder make my own insulin. And trulicity activates my body to release it like its supposed to. Of my question time. Since we started out here. Im looking at the split screen trulicity is for people with type 2 diabetes. Debate answers realizing what were talking about is a split its not insulin. Screen in a split screen. I take it once a week. The parnas news was feathering it starts acting in my body from the first dose. Out while theyre having this trulicity isnt for people with type 1 diabetes discussion. It was, and clearly they were or diabetic ketoacidosis. Dont take trulicity if youre allergic to it, not as claire mentioned, they were not ready to jump on it. You or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. And it actually would have helped it would have been stop trulicity and call your doctor right away clarifying and edifying if if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck, someone had tried to narrate or severe stomach pain. This for us and tried to put serious side effects may include pancreatitis. This in the context that you just put it in because it is taking trulicity with a sulfonylurea or insulin
increases low blood sugar risk. Side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, belly pain, sort of all flying at us. That didnt happen. In fact, this was a pretty and decreased appetite, congenial debate, i thought, in which lead to dehydration and may worsen kidney problems. Many ways. I mean there werent a lot of i have it within me to lower my a1c. Fireworks really. There wasnt a lot of friction. Ask your doctor about trulicity. The Bernie ElizabethBattle Royale wasnt really much of a spat even. Yeah. I guess the one thing that might have come out of this which is why Xfinity Mobile data,is a different kindent. Debate is i know the greatest hope of tom perez, the head of of Wireless Network that lets you design your own data. The Democratic Party, is at the choose unlimited, shared data, convention, at the balloon drop, or mix lines of each and switch any line, anytime. Whoever gets the nomination, you can get all 25 of them who giving you more choice started the race out there and control compared to top wireless carriers. Joining hands in support of the eventual nominee. Save up to 400 a year when you switch. And when you listen to this debate among people who really plus, save even more with 150 off galaxy a70. Seem to basically like each other, you thought, well, maybe click, call or visit a store today. That would actually happen. You got no better idea of who that nominee is going to be from this debate. Excellent point. You have a column. I think i just wrote one. I think i saw you writing a column when you came to sit out here. Hey, Chris Matthews, tell me the wifi service didnt give out across des moines tonight. Tell me you were contemporaneously aware of this breaking story. Anytime youre voraciously consuming news on your phone during a live debate in a party involved in impeachment, that news not mentioned from either side in that debate might be a problem, correct . Are you talking about the new evidence that the president Hillary Clinton won the caballed with regard to rudy popular vote by 3 million votes. Giuliani going around the united how could anybody in a million States Government so that he could get dirt on biden . Years not believe that a woman well, if you want to put it could become president of the that way, yeah, im talking United States . About that story. Well, that story and of good question posed by the course more information now about what the russians are up independent senator from vermont. We are back with our live
to in terms of ukraine going coverage. We are waiting for the next after burisma, so all this stuff candidate to get wired up and is quaking at the same time. Get ready to talk to chris and i dont know how it worked matthews. Its way into this debate very in the last few minutes, we have well, but ill tell you i noticed a moment that was hidden thought i saw there was a from us because our coverage had very interesting political sort of epiphany there about started of the postdebate human Elizabeth Warren. Now, the people around her, at interaction or, in this case, least four sources close to lack of it between two of the her we dont know if she had u. S. Senators who have spent anything to do with it. Days in the news. But when they raised the issue of gender, the gender card if Claire Mccaskill having served with both. Lets play the moment onstage you will this lyese last severas where we kind of expected to see and bernie had to respond to it a handshake on the lefthand and denied and senator warren said she did in fact hear him say a woman couldnt win. I think it helped very much her side there between Elizabeth Warren and bernie, who was stowing his papers, stowing his campaign. I think bringing this out into the open, the issue whether a papers, and not going to happen. Woman can be elected president what do you think just went on is going to help her campaign. And whether she started it or there, senator . Well, im just guessing that not, she definitely brilliantly exploited it tonight. Elizabeth is upset that bernie and then bernie clenched. Sanders is not owning i dont i thought it interesting he did think bernie ever said, i dont not want to fight it anymore, want a woman to be elected but she won. This is going to help. Youre going to see in the next president or i dont believe couple days shes going to perk that women shouldnt be up in her chances. She was three or four points president. I think they were probably talking turkey about behind bernie. I think this is going to helper electability, and he was making the case that he was electable, catch up a bit. I was talking about this with and she was making the case that Jonathan Allen down here. She was electable. He was working on a blog, one of and in the context of that conversation, i believe her that our colleagues. He probably made some reference its a question of hanging a to the difficulty which, by the lantern, the old bobby kennedy. Way, exhibit a, weve never if you have a issue, bring it elected a woman president , that out in public, youre going to hear about it and youre going women have had difficulty in to gain from it. This country achieving the its a brilliant move. Highest office. But i think shes probably its like a question making it irritated, and heres the thing. Into a positive, and i think she did on the gender issue tonight. And david can speak to this. I thought it helped that she came out and said that weve iowa is to american politics never lost an election, me or klobuchar. I thought that was a powerful statement tonight. Mano a mano. Then bernie got hung up on the it is not tv ads. Uhhuh. It is a huge army of fact well, 30 years ago i beat a volunteers. If you go to iowa and campaign republican. She said, i said in 30 years. For a president ial candidate, which i have a number of times, and he got a little bit off on you are given a clipboard and that, a little wrong footed. You are out knocking on doors. I think this is a plus tonight and i dont care who you are. You are knocking on doors. For senator warren on the issue you are making phone calls. Of gender, a win for her tonight. So the vast majority of thank you, chris. Communication that will go on in alicia, your thoughts on any of iowa for the last three weeks what weve witnessed over the will be through people who are course of the past three hours. Claire and i just exchanged a taking clues from their
look because i think were having the same thought which is that its really complicated for candidates. And the clues tonight is that women candidates, one, when theyre forced into the role of bernie and elizabeth are unhappy punditry and when theyre forced with each other, and i think that will spill out. To talk about sexism in the the question is will it work to context of their electability. Either pete or bidens i dont know that it is a total advantage . I dont know. We have all met iowans and winner for Elizabeth Warren. I think its why you saw her threading the needle. New hampshirites who have met i think she wins much more all the candidates they want to points when she talks about meet in that years race and universal child care. That, i think, is an issue that will do the same thing in four women are very much paying years. Yeah. So i think the other reason, you attention to and want to talk know, were 20 days away from about. But i think it puts her in a dreams being dashed. This is getting super intense. Tricky spot. I agree. Wow. I think the assumption is that well, thats the true. Kill that joy. Women hearing this, hearing her and the work thats gone in. I would say this as someone who would like to see donald make that argument as forcefully trump defeated. As she did and it was a great i want this race to get tougher. How so . Way to make the argument does because this race has been that make women want to vote for gentle. Whoever comes out the other side is running against donald trump, her . I think youre right. I think the points that were okay, who is one of the toughest scored tonight by amy and elizabeth had to do with child political pugilists weve ever care and taking care of your seen, okay . I have no problem it would be nice if they could shake hands. Parents, longterm care. That is a huge issue for womenw i want to see them being tested and pushes and how they deal understand pressure. So for democrats who are
concerned about this, i think how to take care of their well unite. We always have. The Obama Clinton race in 08 parents. Not just women, men too. But inevitably a lot of times it was much nastier than this and we benefited from that. So im not worried about that falls to the woman in the family but i think this is going to get to find the care, figure out how more intense every day and youre going to pay for it. Particularly for those senators back in washington. I think those two issues theyre going to be really probably did more to bring women unhappy about being stuck in the to their cause than perhaps pointing out. And, you know, listen, i think capital. Theyre exercising their constitutional duty, which pete Elizabeth Warren is great, but buttigieg and joe biden are shes from massachusetts. Talking to thousands of iowans its a pretty blue place. Who are deciding. You know, winning elections as a and mcconnell is saying democratic nominee in theyre even going to work on saturdays. Massachusetts is frankly a mcconnell may give those three little different than winning some of the elections that some candidates a grand total of three or four days after this of the other people on that race had run for. Weekend back in iowa, and that did you think she was speaking specifically to women is really a disadvantage in terms of the landscape. With that point about the ten thats going to make a elections that the men lost, or difference. Was she speaking to men . I would really agree with what i thought she was speaking to you said, david, about how nice men in the sort of we keep score the campaign has been. Kind of it really has. That women are winning and even given so we saw the more elections . I think she was trying to body language between warren and communicate with all of the sanders at the end. But during the debate when it voters who now have had to put on the hat of pundit as well came up, i mean she gave him a because they are all asking pass really. Themselves i mean she said, look, im not
who can win . Of who can win. Here to, you know, to argue with david plouffe, am i wrong to bernie. Im here to talk about you indicate that a story alleging know, and then she went on. Surveillance of a u. S. Foreign its you know, maybe it wont Service Officer by u. S. Agents get nastier, i dont know. I do think if the senators and citizens attached to the are in effect trapped in the president s personal lawyer might have found its way into impeachment trial, the scoring tonights debate . For the iowa caucus will change. I wouldnt have had it on if i was prepping a candidate this will be there will be a because theyre focused on iowa, huge asterisk on it, and it will and pretty much everybody whos say these three, they couldnt going to caucus in iowa thinks be there. It will be not quite as strong donald trump should have been impeached, is glad the house of as it was in 1992 when the iowa representatives did it. This adds to the sense that hes senator, tom harkin was running and no one went out there. Going to be acquitted. People didnt campaign out they are spending every day there. They just said forget it, and iowa was ignored because of that talking to the people that are going to decide this election. Imbalance. We may have to strongly devalue i think at the end of the day at the debate tonight, i was the result if senators are kept surprised a little bit that it out of campaigning. Wasnt more forceful because it youre talking mcguire and was the last sosa for baseball fans who may be oh. I know. I watched that season. Jason johnson, as the nation so
often does, the nation turns its lonely eyes to you. Just what are we watching transpire here . First i have to say were watching this fight that everybody wants to happen thats not going to happen, right . Bernie sanders, as grumpy as he may seem to be, and Elizabeth Warren as excited as she may seem to be, theyre not going to have the knockdown, dragout fight that i think a lot of people want to see. I think people actually should see because these people are serious about winning, they should want to be really competitive. Heres the only thing that really struck me about the entire exchange. Someones lying. Someone is lying, and that is the point that i think is sort of being missed here. Elizabeth warren remembers this man saying to her less than two years ago, i woman cant win. Bernie sanders basically called her a liar. I think thats the most relevant issue here, not when are we getting to the technicalities of electability or anything like that. Theyre not going to have the fight people want to see and both of them are probably going to be trapped in washington, d. C. This debate really broke down to whether or not anybody could really sort of gain ground on
joe biden, if anyone could make the last remaining people who dont know how theyre going to caucus change their mind. I dont think the needle changed very much. I dont think joe biden did anything fantastic. He spoke reasonably well about foreign policy. Elizabeth warren explained herself as usual. Bernie sanders is Bernie Sanders. I think mayor pete got the one softball question about why he has trouble with black voters. I thought his answer was terrible. Its like saying im the favorite jason of my parents. Of course. They only have one. It doesnt mean youre going to do a good job as a nominee. I dont think the needle changed very much and those two candidates to the degree that bernie and Elizabeth Warren think that they have a slice of progressive policy people they can fight over, i dont think theyre giving people the fight they need to really distinguish themselves. Jason, im duty bound to add, by the way, this was the evening during this debate when we learned that the head of a Landscaping Company from connecticut was apparently texting about the body movements
of our u. S. Ambassador to ukraine. Yes. Yes. And thats the thing. We dont really recognize how dangerous this situation in ukraine is. And, again, i think a lot of people missed their opportunity to talk about it. Its not just yovanovich. This goes back to what we saw in the impeachment hearings. Its not just yovanovich was being observed but remember she got word from our own intelligence agencies, you need to break camp. You need to leave ukraine now. You could be in danger. The idea that somebody who is serving on behalf of the American People to represent us abroad had to flee their government assignment because they may have been pursued and under danger from the actual president of the United States is something that everybody should have been speaking about. But instead of focusing on that particular issue, we had a rehash of the policy differences that everybody who is concerned about could check out on their websites. And thats what i think is somewhat disappointing. Ill also say this, brian, because ive seen this happen in detroit. This happened in ohio. I am so tired of watching these
debates that are in these critical states where the candidates seldom focus on the issues in those states. Outside of texas where beto really talked about gun violence and issues like that, no one really talked about unique issues to detroit during that debate. No one talked about unique issues to iowa when youre in iowa. If youre 20 days away, i would expect people to be talking about street signs and broken lights in des moines rather than talking about these general issues because your focus should be on the men and women who are in that room now who are going to be caucusing for you in 20 days. The favorite jason of mine and his own parents. Jason johnson, dont go anywhere. Were going to take a break in our coverage. When we come back, Chris Matthews continues his live interviews with tonights candidates in des moines, iowa. He wanted a man cave in our new home. But she wanted to be close to nature. So, we met in the middle. Ohhhhh look who just woke up you are so cute
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there will be black. This is the most recent polling out of south carolina. We see buttigieg in contention in iowa and New Hampshire. Hes at 4 in south carolina. Hes losing to biden 91, and this gets to that challenge buttigieg has faced the entire campaign. So far there is zero evidence that he has been able to address this. This is a National Poll of black democratic voters, came out just a couple days ago. Biden nearly 50 of the black vote. Sanders the only other candidate in double digits at 20 . Then warren, bloomberg, booker, yang. Booker now out of the race. Buttigieg at 2 nationally with africanamerican voters. Again, this has been an issue his campaign has been aware of for six months. He continues to be far behind in south carolina. Continues to be nearly at zero nationally. Then theres this same poll. Black voters, favorable or unfavorable view of the candidates, and i think this is notworthy as well. Among buttigieg, only about half have an opinion about him. But his negative score is 17. Among the half that have an
opinion. Take a look at biden. Take a look at sanders. Much more universally known among black voters. Their negatives are lower. Far more black voters know who biden and sanders are than know who buttigieg is. But buttigiegs negative score is higher than theirs. Jason johnson is still with us. You and i had this conversation 24 hours ago exactly. The question as to how it is this Democratic Party in whats now 2020 ended up with an allwhite, sixway stage tonight with not even their leading billionaire on the stage. The backup billionaire made the card tonight. Look, i wouldnt mind being a backup billionaire. Ill be a surrogate billionaire. You know, it is a problem for the Democratic Party, but also i want to add something to what steve just mentioned. Look, we cant just focus on black voters who are in south carolina. About 13 of the caucus population in the nevada
caucuses is africanamerican as well. So we have to recognize that you have not just one but two states coming up where having the ability to speak to latino voters, to asianamerican voters, which is the Fastest Growing population in this country, and africanamerican voters is key. None of these candidates onstage, only joe biden, and he was very successful, only joe biden can get up there and say black voters know me. They have seen my policies and they continue to support me. Bernie sanders cant make that argument. Mayor pete cant make that argument. Elizabeth warren cant make that argument. I say this because Bernie Sanders is fond and his supporters are fond of mentioning bernie does well with young black voters. Yes, 18 to 35 africanamericans support bernie by about 8 more than they support joe biden. In every other category from 35yearolds up to 70yearolds, joe biden is lapping the field with everybody. Jason johnson, it is always a pleasure. Congratulate your parents for their taste. Thank you very much for being with us tonight. Amy klobuchar is with Chris Matthews in des moines. Chris . Thank you, brian. Senator, you know, ive been following Democratic Politics for an awful long time, and i think you may be the first democrat ive ever heard go up on a stage and argue the case for fiscal responsibility. You talked about deficits, the National Debt and weve got to be reasonable and try to bring those numbers down. Where is the votes in that in the democratic caucuses . Look, im someone that tells the truth. And one of the problems with my friends proposals, senator warren and senator sanders, is that they really are not going to be able to pay for it. Right. And i think weve got to make that case. In addition to that, youve had a president that has run up the debt after bill clinton brought it down, after or at least brought the deficit down, and barack obama, despite inheriting a recession, saw it go down during his time the deficit. But what does this president do . He just makes things worse. I think in a general election, its going to be the case. A difference between a plan and
a pipe dream is with a plan, you can show how youre going to pay for it and you can actually get it done. That was the other point i was making today is i dont think i know they dont have the votes even among democrats in the senate. So i really wanted to move on and have a discussion about things like longterm care and addiction and Mental Health and what we should do about pharmaceuticals, and we did have that discussion. Can you get voters in a caucus in february to think about the sort of longterm fiscal consequences because two of your opponents, senator sanders and senator warren, have offered up a plethora of benefits, of college, prescription drugs, General Health care, so many things paid for, child care, all paid for, out of, in the case of warren, these very rich people. The rich are going to pay for everything. Do you think the voters by that . I think the richer should pay
more. You this inc. Theynk theyr pay for all these programs . I think the pay fors, especially when it comes to health care, where she thinks where shes going to get and ive always believed in quality indexes. I put that in the Affordable Care act and making it easier to have people get Better Health care for less money. But the way she has done this for Delivery System reform, it is so much money it would cut right into our rural hospitals. I wasnt able to make that case today with all the people on the stage, but theres some Serious Problems with how shes paying for things and the repercussions it will have. My plans are much more straightforward, pay fors that i think we can get done, repealing parts of that republican tax bill where they brought the corp. Rate down to 21 . Doing something about the hedge fund loophole. No one likes that. You name it. Taking the Capital Gains rate. Weve been talking about this for a long time. Bringing it closer to the personal rate. Im trying to put two ideas together in these debates. One is this question raised by some people around Elizabeth Warren. We dont know who they are. Four sources said that bernie said that a woman cant win. And i also put into my head the idea i have never heard anybody say that were going to have a democratic ticket this year of two men. Yeah. Theres an assumption that there needs to be gender recognition. You know what im talking about . These are two different ideas that havent really coalesced. Exactly. And i was not in that room with those two. But ive been the one making the case on the debate stage since the beginning that a woman can win. Nancy pelosi basically beats donald trump every single day, and theres no reason to think a woman cant win. My other point. Do you think its possible the democrats would run an allmale ticket . No. See, thats my question. Youre answering it wonderfully put, no. I just dont think so. I think that the women of this country would say, thats it. We know Hillary Clinton got more votes than donald trump. We know that there have been women winning in tough districts all over the country. The case i wasnt able to make on the debate stage as much as i would have liked is im the one that has the receipts. Im the one that has won in those red districts where donald trump won. There are 31 counties in this state where were standing right now that barack obama won that then went to donald trump. I can win those counties. Your state was very much on the edge. He won your state, minnesota, by about a point and a half. Yeah. And then i came roaring back, and all the latest polls show, at least in the state where they know me best, i win and beat him by 17 points with men, with women. Youre undefeated. Youre like lsu. But the point is that it is yes, we want a woman. It would be great to have a woman president , but thats not why im asking people to vote for me. Im asking people to vote for me because, one, i can win. And, two, i can actually get things done. I passed over a hundred bills and you can see all the information at amyklobuchar. Com and join our effort. Ive seen you with crowds and youre gate. Thank you. Especially 200 people. I love it. Thank you, senator. Back to you, brian. Thank you, Chris Matthews and the democrat from minnesota, amy klobuchar, the only one of the candidates onstage tonight who represents a state with its own iron range. Great thing about the state of minnesota in addition to all their lakes. We are rapidly approaching the start of a new hour of our coverage. Good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. The final democratic debate before the Iowa Caucuses is now history. Six democratic president ial candidates, steyer, warren, biden, sanders, buttigieg, and klobuchar all took the stage tonight in des moines. All eyes of course were on warren and sanders after senator warren confirmed reports that senator sanders told her back in 2018 he didnt think a woman could win the white house. As a matter of fact, i didnt say it. In 2015, i deferred, in