Private. Something that would make any citizen without regard to party very concerned tonight. Allegedly abusing the power of office to try to shut down a probe into his own white house. Words that apply to nixon that undid his presidency and words that are advanced tonight. Lets get into the story. You may know if you watch this news program, we dont typically tweet Donald Trumps tweets as news stories because most of them are not news. Many of them are not factual, some of them are outright lies and a great many of them are ploys designed to hijack the conversation, distract the media or troll the notion. Up front, this is why weaver doing Something Different tonight. President trump is telling the Attorney General to shut down the mueller probe. Hes stating it in public and in writing that Jeff Sessions should stop the probe now. To be clear, if donald trump made that order in a private meeting with Jeff Sessions, or on a phone call to the doj or held a Big Press Conference on
The days biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. Crimes one commits in public. This obviously would be helpful to donald trump because of many things he has done in question about this investigation have occurred in public. He publicly admitted he fired comey with russia on his mind. He publicly suggested he could fire sessions for the same goals. And he publicly asked a foreign government, as we all know remember as an issue in this open case to hack his political rival. Russia, if youre listening, i hope youre able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. Just because you do something that sounds bad, looks bad or is potentially criminal out in the open, on cram camera, on twitter, wherever, does not mean as a legal matter you cant be held accountable for it. I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldnt lose any voters, its like incredible. Donald trump made that claim,
tweets are show Different Levels of consciousness of guilt. And they show, and theyre important for the proof of intent. But its not i dont think its a separate count. And i say that because i also think there is were starting out real lawyerly. When i say an element, does it go to part of the obstruction of evidence in the case of intent and goals . I didnt say count. Sure. I think it goes to intent and his goals. I think theres plenty of obstruction evidence, and there will be even more obstruction evidence, good ol fashioned Bread And Butter Obstruction evidence and this will be part of the indictment. And part of the evidence that is given to either a jury or in an impeachment trial. But standing alone i dont think its a count. Right. I mean who cares whether its a count. Well, some people do. Some people do. Let me bring ch. The question is whether this
adds to the case against the president for Potential Obstruction of justice. What would happen if barack obama or george w. Bush or any other president Out Of The Blue stood up in public, in whatever medium, whatever way and said to their recused Attorney General, shut down, immediately, the probe into my campaign . People would be calling for his head. We know that because weve seen it. When he mentioned things about the Hillary Clinton investigation, and peoples heads exploded. As the prosecutor was saying this is one piece of a larger puzzle that shows that there is certainly a consciousness of guilt. This goes to the question of whether whats bothering the president so much that on the very same day that one of his former Campaign Chairman has gone on trial, he has the presence of mind to say these things. As you say, on the very week the Campaign Chair is on trial, the first trial that mueller has reached. Exactly. And the fact that this has
happened. Its not even the Main Trial Mueller will be handling. Theres a separate d. C. Trial where the stakes are much higher. This is happening as all of these revelations are coming up during trial. Theres certainly something there that he is issuing this order to the Department Of Justice, which has control, oversight over other prosecutors, and certainly strength in the case from obstruction. I want you both to stay with me as promised. Im bringing in richard painer, he is now running as a democrat for the u. S. Senate in minnesota. I go to you, sir, on this central question, does this Statement Account as evidence or an element of Potential Obstruction by donald trump . Well, its certainly evidence of obstruction of justice. And first, we really have to worry about the mental stability of our president when he is incriminating himself on twitter. This is very, very damaging,
very incriminating tweet. Its part of a long pattern of obstruction of justice. He fired james comey. He has repeatedly tried to pressure Jeff Sessions to unrecuse. And fire Robert Mueller. And the prosecutor will find evidence of obstruction inside the white house, im sure. But, you know, the house and Senate Judiciary committee should be investigating this. Were pay past the time of 1973 where they were investigating richard nixon. Im shocked there is no investigation for obstruction of justice and abuse of power and other high crimes and misdemeanors. Let me ask you, why do you think that tonight were in a place that is past where we were with nixon regarding president ial obstruction . What supports your view on that . I think we were past that point when he fired james comey. It was clear he fired james comey in order to obstruct the russia investigation, and he admitted to that in front of the Russian Ambassador in several tv interviews. We should have had hearings in the house and Senate Judiciary
committee at the same time that Robert Mueller was hired. And thats the way it was done in the nixon days. They had the house and senate actually doing their jobs, and investigating. This is and has been evidence of obstruction of justice going all the way back to the comey firing, at least. Its shameful its not being investigated. He ought to be out of office by now. And i know that you speak as someone whos running for a senate seat. Were getting a window into what you would do if in that body. Cynthia, take a listen to how donald trump used to say he would deal with these type of matters. I said on the Department Of Justice i would stay uninvolved. Now, i may get involved at some point if it gets worse. What does it say to you about the case against him if he is now getting more involved in the week of his Campaign Chairmans trial . You know, i think theres a couple of reasons. Theyre pretty interesting legally. One is, giuliani dropped this little gem in his unhinged
interview that they had sent a proposal to muellers office in which the president would agree to testify. And they had a proposal. And its been 11 days and theyve heard nothing. And i think thats freaking them out. Because what we know is, of course, that when a person moves from the subject of an investigation to the target of an investigation we dont send we dont subpoena them anymore. I think theyre afraid that thats Whats Going On. In addition lets slow down on that very important point youre making so everyones staying with you. Youre saying that the fact that bob muellers team is potentially no longer in active negotiations for an interview could suggest that their posture has changed from gathering information from the president , as a subject, which is bad, but middle bad, to not seeking his testimony because they view him as a target, which is bad, super bad . Exactly. I mean, i think in addition, i think theyre playing with his head, and giulianis head, which
for that olive branch with trump to happen later. Youve never heard manafort say anything bad about trump at all. All these witnesses who have flipped or pleaded guilty obviously are not in the president s graces anymore. Its very likely he will pardon him. Manafort is still hanging on tight. That says to me that donald trump doesnt want him to do something that might incriminate him further. Part of the big guessing game. Coming up, trumps comparison of manafort to al capone. I have a prosecutor who rolled up the mob, special guest. This new report on trump lying more than ever before. And barack obama getting involved in the midterms. All that, plus, as promised, Tony Schwartz on how to keep your brain sane in these times. Im ari melber. Youre watching the beat on msnbc. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. With the new Chase Ink Business unlimited card i get unlimited 1. 5 cash back. Its so simple, i dont even have to think about it. So i think about mouthfeel. Introducing Chase Ink Business unlimited with unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase. Are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most Wifi Coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. Call it Donald Trumps al capone defense. Today on what is just the second day of Paul Manaforts trial, donald trump comparing his former Campaign Chair to the notorious Mobster Asking who was treated worse, al capone, legendary mob boss, or Paul Manafort. Paul manafort who really is a nice man. You look at Whats Going On with him, its like al capone. 2005 tax case. On a case thats very old. Its a sad thing. Its a very sad thing for our country to see this. So, to be clear, comparing the defendant to al capone is usually something prosecutors or critics do. As a story of Crime And Punishment Capone is a person who did many bad things and got in trouble for only some of them, facing charges for tax evasion and not the other violence and murders his gang was accused of. You know, hes making over 3 million a year, but hes paid no taxes, nothings in his name. If we can establish any payments to him at all, we can prosecute him for income tax evasion. What . I said peck prosecute him for income tax evasion. Try a murdererer for not paying his taxes . Its better than nothing. Try a murderer for not paying his taxes. In real life, that 1931 trial was a national spectacle. Camera outside the chicago courtroom, citizens gathered out front, and obviously concerned about more than tax evasion. Because of his reputation as a violence gangster, also portrayed by robert de niro, there was a denial of violence with a twinkle in the eye. I grew up in a tough neighborhood and we used to say you can get further with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. And then that might have been true. Sometimes the reputation follows you. There is violence in chicago, of course, but not by me, and not by anybody i employ. Not by anybody i employ. Note, that is a specific denial of a conspiracy, which is, of course, a key charge in the russia probe. Now, that jury disagreed, capone caught an 11 year sentence, manafort faces Manyore Time Tha that if convicted. Dying in prison can change the minds of even the most stubborn
defendants which applies to tax evaders. The question that hangs over day duoof this trial, why is donald trump comparing his former Campaign Chief to a gangster . Could this trial change Paul Manaforts mind . Is he ready to face the risk of prison and death, pondering some later salvation. To quote another man steeped in the criminal mindset, the musician master p, the question may boil down is there heaven for a gangsta, is there even for a gangsta, gangsta. Im joined by elliott honeig, he led a case against and Richard Painter also back with me, a Senate Candidate and former lawyer in a republican administration. I begin with you, is there
heaven for a gangster, number one . Two, what in gods earth is donald trump doing comparing this man to al capone . And three, when you look at the legalities of this case, how does it relate to how you approached maffia . There are a lot of parallels between the cases i used to do going against the maffia and this case, but the number one similarity is youre trying to penetrate a closed, secretive, potentially criminal organization. The number one way you do that is by flipping people, getting cooperating witnesses. You hit on something. I think the president is probably scared to death that Paul Manafort may try to flip, if hes convicted. You read that as whats happening this week. In other words, for a long time trump dismissed manafort and avoided talking about him. Lately we showed hes been talking and tweeting more about him lately, a handful more tweets up from zero. That means what . He could be trying to soften up manafort. The biggest might mare for trump
is if manafort flips. I agree with you, i do not think Paul Manafort if he gets convicted to go die in jail. Hes 69 years old, and he will die behind bars. That is the change agent here . Yeah, i think it could be. You can cooperate after conviction. You may not get as good of a deal. Ive done it. I had a mob boss who we convicted of murder. He got sentenced to life. We thought he had dynamite information, same way mueller might think manafort has dynamite information. We went into the jail and asked him if he would cooperate. He said no, he was an oldschool standup guy. The point is, prosecutors are still sometimes willing to cooperate defendants after conviction. Your office, and this is the office that now is hajing tndli Michael Cohen case. Youre saying as a matter of prosecutorial tactics, you are prepared, even with a Life Sentence to dial part of that back to get information. Its a balance. How bad of a guy is it . But how good is his information . The guy i was talking about, we thought he had the keys to the castle . Manafort, can you imagine . Learn everything he knows, thats a gold mine. If i was in their shoes, id pay the price for it. Fascinating coming from you as someone who led the organized crime work. Thats not shoes many people have filled. As a prosecutor you know how to spot unanswered questions. You did not answer the master p question. Is there a heaven for gangsters . Yes, theyre sitting around having coffee in queens. That is nice. Richard painter, i turn to you on Donald Trumps shifting approach to manafort. Take a look at how he used to talk about im, this backs up the point he made he is warming to him after dismissing him. Take a look. Paul manafort was replaced long before the election took place. He was only there for a short period of time. Now, Paul Manaforts a nice guy. But, you know, he worked for me for a very short period of time, literally, like, what, a couple months, manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. How do you view that shift, which has clearly changed now that the trial began . Well, President Trump is very, very worried that Paul Manafort is going to flip on him. And i believe the prosecutors would offer manafort a very good deal because from a Law Enforcement perspective, while hes done some very bad things, he is not a threat to our society at this juncture. Donald trump and various other people who are in high parts of our government are a threat and theres an ongoing conspiracy to obstruct justice. There may very well be ongoing collusion with the russians that is extremely dangerous for our national security. So the prosecutors are going to offer manafort a very good deal. I certainly would if i were the prosecutors to get the information on the people who are really dangerous, who have been colluding with the
russians, obstructing justice, and really have betrayed our country. Yeah, if i were one of those people in the latter group id be scared to death of Paul Manafort cutting deal with the prosecutors. Tore thing about the capone argument is there even conservatives, right, who are not just reflexively trump critics who think this plays into some public onramp to what would be a very controversial pardon to say the least. Im reading from the spectator, conservative publication, quote, trump is using the capone comparison to set the stage to pull another arpaio, depict manafort s victim of the deep state, unjust predicament can only be rectified by a president ial pardon. Your thoughts . That could be the case as well. Theres a lot of signals being sent, at a minimum here. The other possibility is, again to use the mob lingo, manafort is being a standup guy, that means someone you dont plead, you dont talk, you dont
cooperate. You go through with your trial and take your consequences. In the normal world they go to jail. Here, its an exceptional circumstance, it could be the sort of unspoken understanding could be paul, you stand up, and ill take care of you. Right, which is, itself, inappropriate, yes. It would be a very questionable use of the pardon power. That goes back to a report weve done earlier on the show. While the pardon power is unilateral, the president gets to do it. It has legal force immediately as we all know, it doesnt mean it cant be an abuse of power, auctions it off, a unitary power that was an abuse. The fact the president has a constitutional power doesnt mean he cant use it in a criminal way. I think thats a perfect example. What if the president tweeted pardons for sale 10,000 each, make check payable to donald j. Trump. That has to be a crime. I do want to say in fairness the check would be made payable to Trump Organization so he could pay lower taxes on it. You were unfair in saying it
would be a personal check. Richard, i just want to be fair. Good point. Elie, you have been really valuable for us on this story given your experience. Id love to have you back at this table for more of the manafort coverage. Anytime. Richard, youre already a repeat offender. You know i want you back as well, sir. Absolutely, happy to be here. Thank you both for your expertise. Up next, there is a big sign donald trump may be cracking under the pressure. Thats when were back in just 30 seconds. Before you can achieve a higher standard of craftsmanship, you need a higher standard of craftsman. See for yourself at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Donald trump does have problems with the truth, and its getting worse. Theres a new report out today Showing Trump has been tripling down on how often he makes misleading statements or lies. The Washington Post reporting over 4,200 false or misleading claims, thats how they put it in the presidency thus far. He was averaging five false claims a day, now its up to 16 daily this summer, the latest example, the strange argument for voter id laws last night. Only american citizens should vote in american elections. Which is why the time has come for voter id. You know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. You need id. You dont need an id to buy groceries. You can get any kind of fruit, i dirks free. Trump may be doing something deeper here, though, attacking the notion that truth exists, and Fact Checking is valuable. Oh, believe me, if its off
by one hundredth of a percent, i end up getting pinocchios, right. False stories all made up, lies, lies. No witnesses. No nothing. All big lies. I better say think, otherwise theyll give you a pinocchio. And just remember, what youre seeing and what youre reading is not whats happening. I dont like pinocchios. Im joined by mike lupika. Margaret, why is it according to the Fact Checkers getting worse . Well, he may feel more cornered as the Manafort Trial begins, as, you know, giuliani has waited 11 days for a response from mueller to his offers of an interview and what might be in there. Which may mean that hes a target or not. And just the pressure of the
mueller investigation. Its heating up. And so this is a guy who lies for reasons. I mean, you know, he started with a lie, the berther lie, the huge lie. It worked. Yeah. He got hooked. And then he lies kind of recreationally, for no reason at all, just a natural thing to do. And he cant really help himself. Well, its important you bring up bertherism, mike, because that was a factual assault, a lie, that also related to a kind of cultural ethnic assault that other republicans, many as ive said on the show before to their credit were not engaging in. John mccain famously rebutting that during the campaign. And trump stood up and saw thats a Market Opportunity in the Republican Party and i can do that. And this Washington Post fact check, i want to say, its sad to show, but this is part of what were doing. When you divide up the lies you see there are more on immigration and foreign policy, relating to the other countries
in the world than even the russia probe where everyone knows hes lied a lot about a lot of things. What does it tell you, to pick up on margarets insight there, that hes lying so much in that way, as a kind of aggression . Yeah, but i dont think its aggression, ari. I think mueller is like a boxer who keeps cutting off the ring on trump. Youre right to bring up the bertherism thing. His political career was built on that lie. And then hes been going on and on. And we can call it on him all we want. But theres enough suckers out there who would believe this president if he told them water wasnt wet. He tocontinually says the medias the enemy of the people. You know what happens, you get goon squads like in florida last night. Trumps supporters according to a new poll say they actually rely on him, 91 rely on trump more than any other source for
accuracy. Yeah. I mean, you look at the volume of lies. The old nixon the 90s, fall on every play because theyre not going to call all of it. He just thinks if he drowns you in lies that you will spend all of your time trying to tell people the truth. And what happens is this presidency goes along is that the assault on truth becomes as profound as the assault on civility, the assault on good grammar. And you see what hes like. In that festival of lies last night. In tampa. Because its easy to be tough when theres a mob in front of you, but the mob really likes you. But theyre on your side. Margaret, speak to this point that mike raises, that donald trump is the Patrick Ewing of lies. Theres a flood, a tsunami. I dont know what metaphor to
use here. Last night, hes so encouraged in it by a crowd like that and he feels so powerful that he can incite them to turn on the press the way he did. You know, when you look at that tape, you wonder where is that anger coming from . From both him and the people in the audience. What do they have to be that angry about that . Its kind of frightening to see. But the idea that the lies are accelerating, i think its, you know, 16 a day, whats it going to be by you know, after the midterms . You know, if theres heaven for a liar, donald trump will be in it. Were you watching the show earlier . I was. You know, i cant say gangsta the way you do. I didnt know Margaret Carlson is a master p fan. Who knew . Let me play another moment from the trump rally. Its great that he supports ron desantis, if he thinks hes
good, he must be good. Hes right with everything else. Are you willing to take his word for it, whoever trump says to vote for, you vote for . I do. Anything he says. He hasnt everything he says is true. It comes true. The comes true does a lot of work in that sentence, margaret. In fairness, there are people who i do think would say that about barack obama. In other words, i dont think theres anything unusual about having supporters who believe in you. Thats what popular politicians tend to have. The difference is, walk us through the political realities, margaret, of a person thinking that about someone who we just showed is literally lying more than any president in history. Mike said the water wet thing. It reminded me, that woman also said that you just had on the screen said that she was at the ininauguration, and therefore she knows how large the crowd was. Well, she doesnt know. But also, on that very day, youll recall, that as trump stood speaking to the crowd,
that was in ponchos and raincoats and had their umbrellas up, he said the sun was shining. So she believed that too. And you do want to believe your leaders are telling the truth. And since he has worked it, as dictators do, into her believing him more than her eyes or any of the, you know, Pinocchio GivingFact Checkers, then theres like no getting through to her. No. When nixon lied, we figured it out and his people came to realize he was lying. Right. And there were consequences. Thats not going to happen here. There were consequences and there was also no internet. As we often do on this show, in this news environment, this is a profoundly depressing segment about the civic mike lubika laughing. I want to know whats in your lawsuit da latte. You get the final thought. Forget master p. This is for margaret. She loves drake. How dare you . As drake says, ari, i dont know why theyve been lying, their stuff aint that inspiring, except he didnt say stuff. Wow. Im speechless. My Executive Producer just said to me in my ear rap, i think he means wrap up the segment. No more rapping, guys. Mike lubika, great cheer during troubled times. Margaret carlson. A different president , President Obama getting involved in the midterms. Trumps art of the deal coauthor revealing what to do about this moment in american life. Tony schwartz for our State Of Mind segment next. With moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay . Even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira can help get, and keep Uc Under Control when other medications havent worked well enough. And it helps people achieve control that lasts. So you can experience few or no symptoms. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Be there for you, and them. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, control is possible. New laptop with 24 7 tech support. Yep, thanks guys. I think he might need some support. Yes start them off right. With the School Supplies they need at low prices all summer long. Save 200 on this dell laptop at office depot officemax. With Tony Schwartz who says the way we live now can really wear people down. From the foreign strain on our political system right now to Donald Trumps attacks on whole ranges of people in america, to all the normal real world stresses that affect our wellbeing, Which New Studies Show is actually declining on a global scale despite americas relative affluence, the u. S. Has fallen four spots to number 18 on the list of happiest countries, a list i want to be on. Relative is the keyword here. On a grand scale, the u. S. Does face less disease, absolute poverty. Fewer life threatening risks than say 50 years ago, thats something President Obama highlighted when he was trying to buck up a worried nation after he handed those Oval Office Keys to donald trump. I will Say Something that may sound controversial. But by just about every measure america is better and the world
is better than it was 50 years ago, 30 years ago, or even ten years ago. If so many things are looking up, our State Of Mind question tonight why do so many people feel so down . We turn to Tony Schwartz. Ceo of the energy project, coauthor of the art of the deal and the author of the way were working isnt working. You use the word survive. That is something thats clearly out there right now. Well, a constitutional democracy, as we know it, will it survive. Will multicultural pluralism as Many Americans felt we were building survive this political era . How do we survive daytoday with a Life Worth Living . There was someone who went through this at a very real level, an admiral who was tortured for eight years, who said you must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end that you can never afford to lose with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current
reality. That is the idea that you have optimism while knowing that nothing can be taken for granted. That was Jim Stockdale who actually also ran for Vice President with ross perot, who made that statement. And the notion is that you can be simultaneously committed to the belief that there will be a way out, and you must at the same time be totally attentive to the brutal reality of your everyday life. Both are true. Stockdale also had one of the most memorable beginnings to any debate. Who am i . Why am i here . And he was so obscure at the time that many people didnt know. You know, who am i . Why am i here . Is actually a really good question for people to ask themselves in this moment. Because if you can ground yourself, not in the external world that is voupdisurrounding but in your own values, in your own principles, in your own beliefs, if you have that inner
north star, and you can recorrere connect to it, its a way to feel rooted in a very windy, hurricanelike time. I think trump as someone whos setting a standard for the country is very much into melodramatic, almost cartoonish version of cut throat, win at all costs. Take a listen to him talking about living a life with killer instincts. I do understand its all basically a game. Were all here to play the game and were all hopefully going to play it well. Some people obviously cant play it well. The world is made up of people with either killer instincts, or without killer instincts. And the people that seem to emerge are the people that are competitive and driven and with a certain instinct to win. Thats certainly true in business, in sports. But most of the people whove become president have a Public Service model about serving the country. How do you contrast that . Because he really is the first
true business president with no Public Service experience. What you just observed, he was probably 35 years old when he said that, was the tragedy of donald trump, which is that there is such a complete sense of emptiness inside him that the only way he can restore his sense of selfesteem, ask its a black hole, keeps pouring out as he tries to pour more in it, is to focus on the external measures of his success. And this notion that you either win or you lose, how tragic is that . I mean, that is such a what it is is its not human. It lacks humanity. Its one lane. Its a binary view that says good, bad, right, wrong. And it leads you to the idea that the ends justify the means. I want to get you on one other thing which is, on the World Happiness report they note the u. S. Ranking is falling
partly because of ongoing epidemics of untreated depression. How do we as a society have these conversations while also including Mental Health without stigma . What we have to do, and i have one other thing i want to say, so im not going to let you go quite yet. Youre not going to let me go . Im hosting this show. Youre in charge . Or as my grandson says, youre in charged . You could do depression and the extra topic you have in mind. Thank you so much. What we have to do is simply acknowledge that we are complex human beings and depression and anxiety are part of the whole. And the idea that we have to hide it, and in the corporate world or the political world, to acknowledge that youre depressed, i mean, it cost Thomas Eagleton the nomination of Vice President back in 1972. Sure. The idea that we still cant acknowledge that each of us is struggling with our own set of demons is the cause of our
needing to put up a mask that drains our energy. Heres a joyous thing i was able to do today. I wrote checks to twelve nonprofits today ranging from the Planned Parenthood to the aclu, that all come from my royalties from the art of the deal and ive committed to give all of those royalties away, specifically to causes that protect and stand for the groups that donald trump is attacking. So its interesting to me that he has a billion dollars, and im the ghost writer. He has promised many times that he would give away the money that he earned from the art of the deal, so far as we know hes not given away one dollar. I challenge him to match my donation. Thats an interesting challenge. We will put it to him. People do know you as the author of art of the deal, do you
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