Paul manafort, his sentenced is scheduled for the spring. Of course, theres roger stone, who has come out and said himself he looks like a mueller target. Tonight, im going to speak soon with Nick Ackerman and mia wylie with all of that. But first, another key wince who key witness who emerged this year, jerome corsi. In that interview, he admitted that he helped roger stone lie to congress about democratic email hacks during that 2016 election. This was a wide ranging interview. I began by asking him why he rejected the plea deal that was offered to him by bob muellers team. I felt the deal was fraudulent. It required me to lie and violate various regulations, and even i thought commit froud. I will not lie to keep myself out of jail, and i realized that i could go to jail for the rest of my life. Im 72 years old. I might die in jail. You think what youre doing today increases the risk that you will be charged, convicted, and die in jail . Yes, i do. When you look at this plea negotiation, you did enter into some kind of discussions with them. What would you have accepted . What would a plea deal look like that you would take . I would have taken immunity. Thats not a plea deal. Thats my terms. They proposed this and said we want you to consider it. This first count, which they said you only have to agree to one count, but you have to go in front of a federal judge and swear this on a bible. Now, for me to do that, i believe in my heart would have been a lie. That count says i knowingly and willfully presented information i knew to be false with an intent to deceive federal authorities. I do not believe i did that. In my heart, i went in to tell the truth. Did my best to tell the truth. And i will not swear before god and the judge something i consider to be a lie. But you did Say Something at the time, that you now acknowledge to be false . I acknowledge that what i testified day one, because i had not seen my 2016 emails i understand, but im going to hold you on this. Go ahead. You led them to believe that you did not have contact with someone on behalf of roger stone when you did . The first day, the statement i gave was wrong. Wrong, okay. And it was wrong because i forgot the email that theyre referring to. I had not seen it in two years. Lets show this so viewers can understand, because this stuff is pretty important. Its important to your life and important to the probe. Here it is, the mueller document on this says, corsi contacted an individual in london to pass on person one, roger stones request to learn about wikileaks materials for the campaign. You did do that . And the special counsel allowed me to amend the original testimony, and i testified after i saw the email that that was true and didnt deny it. Heres the email which you provided to nbc news from roger stone. It says, this individual, mallic, should see assange. Correct. At the time, were you trying to get information about the stolen Clinton Emails back to the Trump Campaign . Yes. And obviously i wanted wouldnt have sent that if i didnt want mallic to go. Everybody in the world who was in news or political operations after july 22nd, when assange, 2016, when assange dumped all these emails on Debbie Wasserman schulz, said he had more. Everybody wanted them. You wanted them to help the Trump Campaign . Absolutely. And i was happy that it would help donald trump. And this is also from the mueller documents that you leaked. Your email, youre telling stone, youve got a friend in the embassy playing these two more document dumps. Thats assange. Impact plan to be very damaging, time to let more than the Clinton Campaign chair exposed as in bed with the enemy if theyre not ready to drop hrc. Is that a reference to john podesta . Yes. And this was one of the main points of contention with the special counsel. I maintain and its my best recollection that i figured that out. Now, special counsel couldnt believe that. They said dr. Corsi, we have emails, you knew it was podesta. You knew he was going to drop him in october. And how he was going to drop him. You knew almost what they included. I said yes, thats true. How did you know . I figured it out. So you tell roger stone about podesta and he tweets about it. This was roger stone saying he had an intermediary. I have not met with mr. Sa. Assange. I said we communicated through an intermediary. The main thing that links him is pa disodespodesta. Could you be rogers intermediary . Sure. But it was not because i talked to assange, but because i figured it out on my own. I have never spoken to Julian Assange. I dont know him and i have no contact that i was an intermediary, there was no third party who said roger stone has got this. But you were making an important point tonight in this interview that Julian Assange, as an intermediary, the fact that there was information believed to be private that proved to be accurate, to testatest podestas time in the barrel youll have to ask roger stone. Lets get this clear, july, i was on vacation with my wife in italy. I think flying over, i figured out that assange had podestas emails. I told roger in this email and subsequently i thought it was podes podestas emails. This was my conclusion, my supposition. It did not come from assange, and it didnt connect back to assange. So theres no link from me to assange. The link is from me figure thing out and telling roger. Now, if i was the source, it was because roger believed me, figuring it out, not because roger believed i had a source. So you gave that defense to muellers prosecutors. Its actually the truth. Its also a defense. Thats fine. Its the truth. You said that to them. How did that take it . They didnt believe it. How did they react to this other defense on behalf of roger stone, which is you agreed to help roger Mislead Congress about how he found out about podesta . Theres two rounds of this that i went through. Round one, i openly discussed that with them and admitted it all, because it was true. I was telling the truth. You were telling the truth about a lie . No. Yes yes. You were telling them the truth about a lie. Im going to clarify if you allow me to. Youre getting time here, but you and roger put forward false information to the Congressional Committee about the source of the podesta would you allow me . Youre getting time, but thats about a lie. Allow me. Go ahead. Ive been trained in in politics, theres a lot of repositioning. If that were a lie, there would hardly be a politician alive today. You want to debate it. I didnt say crime, i said lie to congress, because you told the mueller folks, as i understand it, that roger wanted you to come up with a false cover story for the podesta part. Theres some reason why roger stone thought he needed to not tell the truth about podesta but to work with you on a lie. If youll allow me. In front of the grand jury, he said, dr. Corsi, was that a lie . I said yes. He said was this a lie . Yes. So i openly admitted to them that, in their terms, this was a term. Why did you do that . Because it was the truth. And why did roger stone want you to lie about youll have to ask roger stone. At harvard, i neglected to take the mind reading course. Thats not all. Ill show you a lot more from what many said was a news making interview ahead, which includes jerome corsi bringing up pardons from donald trump and later, my exchew save break down on exactly how House Democrats have pre precedent to beat trump in court. And craig melvin and snl join me. 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My name is tito, and im a techhouse manager at comcast. Were working to make things simple, easy and awesome. Welcome back to a special edition of the beat tonight. Now part two of my interview with a key mueller witness, jerome corsi. We talked about his communications with roger stone, why he kept bringing up the possibility of a trump pardon. And ultimately, who he thinks killed jfk. I dont believe roger ever thought that i had legitimate information, because i never represented to roger that i went to see assange or had a connection with him. And you think he used krid creddico. Here he is. Do you ever carry messages from Julian Assange about what he might plan to do or the nature of his work to other people anywhere else in the world . No. Absolutely not. So he says he was definitely not the intermediary. You say tonight that roger may have thought you were the intermediary. When you gave roger this hot information about podesta, whatever its origin, he must have told trump about that. Well, you know, again, roger didnt report everything he did to me. I dont know what roger did. Youll have to ask him. But you know roger stone who is at the center of this. Hes an adviser to donald trump, and that was hot information that proved to be true. You would expect he would tell trump rather than keep it from him. I figured out it was podesta and told about everybody i knew and i knew it would help donald trump. And i was happy to do that. I was speculating, but i was sure i was right. Is it accurate to say you expected roger to tell trump . I didnt look, logically should i have expected it . Yes, of course. Yes, you did. You said you thought it would help trump. Roger is a trump adviser and has come to you with a request. Have someone as an intermediary in london to go assange. Then you come back and give them this hot intel about podesta, which proves to be true. Im asking in the context of that arrangement, did you expect that information to go to donald trump . The point youre missing is that i never i told roger, hes never going to go see its not going to happen. Assange wasnt going to tell anybody. I happened to figure it out. I dont think that stone thought i was a connection to assange, because i didnt represent that. And you understand that the reaction of the mueller investigators is a reaction many people would have, that your defense is, you magically figured this out yourself, without other leading information, got it right, and told roger stone . Yes, thats what happened on the flight going across to italy. When you look at all this, you also have a joint Defense Agreement with president trump. Is that still active . Yes, but it was not a formal way and which represented that to the special counsel. What is type of information have you provided to trumps lawyers. I did not participate, these were all lawyer to lawyer. I didnt listen to them or hear any recording of them. My instructions were one way. In other words, well tell the president what were doing. So hes informed. Again, i support the president. I want him to be able to survive the mueller investigation. I want him to run for reelection and be reelected. Thats all my political preferences. So i said lets let the president know whats going on in the mueller investigation. I didnt want advice or to know about anybody elses case. Jay sekulow was not saying, tell jerry corsi to do this. Didnt happen and i wasnt interested in it. Im not counting on donald trump for anything, including a pardon. Thats not the basis on which i made my decision. Why are you bringing up a pardon . Because thats you were talking about it before. Everybody but i didnt ask you about the pardon. Im bringing it up because i want to make it clear that i dont expect one, im not asking for one and im making my decision on the base else that i know ill have to face trial if they indict me and the consequences are i may go to prison for the rest of my life. I understand you face consequences, would you accept a pardon . Accept a pardon . Thats hypothetical. You brought up a hypothetical pardon. Lets let it be offered and ill tell you what ill do. So people may take the inference you may be auditions for a pardon. Youre asking me to tell you what people listening are thinking. I dont know what theyre asking. But youre not asking for a pardon. Im not asking for, or anticipating a pardon. Do you understand why people dont believe you . Yes, of course, ive had this issue all my life. It is news worthy that you were a target of this probe. Correct. You also, politically, are known as a leader of the birther movement. Yes. Which is a total and complete lie. Okay. That you believe. Is there let me finish the question. Is this the same defense you are now trying to use with mueller as youve used in that political operation, which is that you stand for a lie, that you say you believe and your defense is that because you genuinely believe the lie, you shouldnt be held accountable for it . Ill stand by what i think is true, even though you believe is a lie. You believe the state warranted conventional assumption. Im a conspiracy theorist, which is a term invechnted by the cia for people who doubt that lee harvey oswald, with a used italian rifle that didnt shoot straight and a misaligned sight, killed jack kennedy shooting past a tree with three shots. I dont believe that happened. Now, again the question to you is, do you think that will help you in your defense, that because you have believed this other lie you say, and you have devoted time and energy to this other lie that now that you have this apparent lie in front of you, you could just say, well, i believe lies, thats sort of my thing . Mr. Zalinski asked me that. He said dr. Corsi, you take a fact from here and a fact from there and a lie and package it that its true. Did he ask that in relation to birtherism or other issues . He didnt say birtherism. You know that is a lie. Now, because i know he cant accept what i have written as true. So he says what . He says you dont know the difference between true and false. He said youre so confused you cant answer questions. Which makes it harder to prove a false statement. Its not a tactic. I do not believe barack obama has a original 1961 berth certificate. I defy anybody to produce it. Secondly, when i flew to italy, i did figure out, on my own, without any outside help or influence, that Julian Assange had podestas emails and how he would use them. A lot of what you have said does not add up and you know that, because you admitted what you said in the context of this topic, are lies that you had to admit to. You also admitted that you and roger stone worked together to mislead this government investigation on the congressional side. I object to your characterization, counselor. I understand. This is me wrapping, i appreciate you coming can i wrap . You can have a final statement . First of all, i dont think i lied. I have you admitted on this interview to lying. No, were talking theres two things. When i did this work for roger there im referring to the out of court lies. I said in your terms it was a lie. In my terms it was politics. Politics is that way. I dont consider that to have been you did admit in this interview today that you told those lies and you had to update them to mueller. I told it to the grand jury because theyre not going to believe in the longer conversation, what i believe in my heart. I said fine, if you want to call it a lie, call it a lie. But i did not have a source going back to asang. I did get this all put together on my own. I was not an sbintermediary between stone and assange and ill stand by that. I appreciate you coming in and taking the questions and what you did say thats true is you are in a situation that has potential criminal liability. I appreciate you coming in and taking the questions. And ill kol back. Let me put it like this, there is a lot to unpack from what we just heard and we have two of our favorite experts when we are back in just 30 seconds. Messy situations. And put irritation in its place. And if i can get comfortable keeping this tookus safe and protected. You can get comfortable doing the same with yours. Preparation h. Get comfortable with it. man dont. Go. Down. Oh, no aaaaballooned your car. Call meeeee burke a flyby ballooning. Seen it, covered it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum i openly discussed that with him and admitted it all, because it was true. I was telling the truth. You were telling the truth about a lie . No. Yes yes. You were telling them the truth about a lie. One of the key moments there from my interview with mueller witness jerome corsi. We saw him admit that he helped roger stone lie to congress. Emand he had to clean up those lies to prosecutors and said hes ready to die in jail. Lets bring in Nick Ackerman and mia wylie. Nick, what did we learn legally from that interview . What mr. Corsi is trying to do is to extricate himself from being involved in the same conspiracy thats been charged against the 13 russian Intelligence Officers in july of this past year. The conspiracy of which was to break into the Democratic National committee, steal documents and emails and then stage and release those documents. Thats very important. You are saying mueller over here is saying these russians broke the law in the u. S. With their actions. Right. The question, which we dont know, but youre putting forward a legal theory is, that on the u. S. Side, jerome corsi could be potentially charged as helping those russians. We could be charged as a member of that conspiracy helping the russians. If you look what he lied about and how hes trying to dance around this, its clear what hes trying to do is to keep himself out of that conspiracy and portray himself as somebody who just learned about certain things after the fact, and really had nothing to do with Julian Assange. He admits to the email after he lied about it before hand but had no choice to admit to that email about ted mallic going to visit assange. He comes up with this story about having this epiphany on an airplane trip from the u. S. To italy where it came to him that assange was going to release emails about Hillary ClintonsCampaign Manager in october about podesta. And that tries to say he gave that information, may have given the information to roger stone, and thats why roger stone, before that tweeted that its now podestas turn in the barrel. To be fair, mia, on a long plane ride, you can get some good thinking done. Yeah. Unless youve made a career of disinformation, which is exactly who jerome corsi is. This is a person remember 2004 and the swift boat scandal. We have john kerry who was a decorated war hero, and we have a jerome corsi creating really a fictitious set of disinformation facts to undermine his campaign about him not being a hero. This is the same person who created disinformation about who barack obama was in the 2008 campaign. And at the same time, it is very, very hard to believe that he came up with that in an airplane when remember, the question we believe from the draft report from Robert Mueller was that he was asked specifically whether or not he was asked to go to try to get those emails, asked someone to get those emails. He said oh, yeah, i was asked, but i said no, i wouldnt do it. I wouldnt have anything to do with something that might be part of an investigation. So to nicks point, thats not forgetting about an email. Thats actually crafting what sounds very directly like a lie. And how would you forget those emails . Particularly when you destroyed them. Thats what he did. There was a Senate Committee investigating what was going on, he destroyed those emails. If you look at the other emails that they found, when hes talking about whats going to happen with podesta, he starts out by saying word is, he didnt say ive got a lightning bolt from god on an airplane. Youre getting into the record that we now have, when he says word is that tells you that hes drawing information from somewhere else. From somebody. Somebody has told him something. And thats what muellers people wanted to know, because that puts him right into the soup of the staging and releasing of the documents which puts him into that conspiracy. If it was as bad as that, why would mueller offer him a plea only on false statements . Which we know because jerome corsi leaked it and told me about. Because they hope and they thought he could testify to his role in the conspiracy, stones role in the conspiracy and other peoples role. If the mueller folks had better evidence, they could indict on that without his testimony. Are they missing key evidence there if it exists . We just dont know. Thats possible, but keep in mind, every time mueller has gotten a guilty plea, hes not gotten out the facts of these conspiracies and peoples roles. He holds that back purposefully, because he doesnt want it to get back until hes ready to get it out in a final indictment. A lot of this heat is circling around roger stone, that is quite clear. Even though theres much we way not know. Here was roger stone late this year, basically reinforcing his loyalty to donald trump. Theres no circumstance under which i would testify against the president , because i would have to bear false witness against him. I would have to make things up, and im not going to do that. For people who arent steeped in this or dont follow it every day, that could sound reasonable, because nobody wants to make things up. What is wrong with the argument hes making . Whats wrong, and corsi makes the same argument, so its interesting they both have the same argument about cooperating with Robert Mueller. But the point is, hes saying i would be forced so a sitting federal prosecutor would be requiring me he would be charging me with perjury, meaning hes asking me to purger myself to make something up, to lie, to fabricate evidence to get his outcome. But if Robert Mueller is having a conversation with getting an agreement with him, its because he has evidence. Its not because he doesnt, right . A prosecutor is not going and saying, i have no evidence that youve done anything wrong, but i would like to enter into a plea agreement with you. That doesnt happen. So really what hes saying, theres evidence, im trying to play this a different angle, and i think you got closer to the truth with jerome corsi who himself raised the pardon, you know, the word pardon, and that may be the angle theyre going for. But to nicks point, their real concern should be pulled into a conspiracy charge. Same thing happened with manafort. Manafort purported to cooperate and tell all, but he knew exactly what manafort could testify to, and manafort went in there and lied. I mean, he just didnt tell the truth. Lets just remember one thing we know about Robert Mueller, because every prosecutor operates this way. When corsi or cohen walked into their interviews and they got asked a direct question about what they knew and lied, they then pulled their evidence out that they already had. In other words, theyre testing whether or not theyre going to be truthful. When theyre not, they can demonstrate when they havent been truthful. That is why roger stones claim seems so unrealistic. You put your finger on the casual way most human beings ask and answer questions in good faith, how was day, what did you have for lunch, is an exchange of information. Information. Thats not how prosecutors use questions and people learn that lesson at their own peril. Another big interview i want to ask you about, because you were a part of it, which was a mueller witness that i spoke to, a key one in the probe who made a lot of news, sam nunnberg. We talked to him when he announced to the world that he would refuse to comply with the mueller subpoena. He did have a change of heart, which came about in part after conversation with mia wylie in a news making moment of 2018. Do you understand that you have a legal obligation to comply . Yeah, i have a legal technically i have a legal obligation. Does your lawyer think what youre doing now tonight is a good idea . I have no idea. I think he may have dropped me. I know my father doesnt like it, and hes one of my cocounsels. I think your family wants you home for thanksgiving and i hope youll testify. This is ridiculous. No, its not ridiculous, sam. It is so not ridiculous. What do you think reflecting on that now . First of all, that was a team effort. We didnt prepare that, but it was your graciousness that set up the tone of that evening. And secondly, im just thankful he did. Im thankful he cooperated and testified. Hes in a lot less trouble today because he did that. From what weve seen from others who have asked to appear before the grand jury who dont do it and dont come clean makes a lot more sense to come forward and participate in our process. I appreciate what youre saying there. I think its something each of us have observed, which is you have a Justice System and you look for accountability and truth and you can judge, thats the process, people who make mistakes. And yet whether youre covering mistakes by people in this trump orbit or mistakes by people in inner city chicago who are being railroaded as sometimes is the complaint. You can make a mistake and still be a human being. I thought you addressed him not only as a person who was in the middle of, you were talking to him while he was making a mistake, planning to effectively break the law, but also looked to him as a human being who might try to undo the mistake and i have to say it, he was home for the holidays. My thanks to both of you. On to i expect to be a big 2019. But this episode of the beat is not quite over. Up next, an exclusive breakdown how the House Democrats will use the courts to battle courts. And a 2018 edition of fallback with craig melvin and chris redd from snl. Very excited about this one. If your moderate to Severe Ulcerative Colitis or crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio®, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. 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[heartbeat] elections have consequences, and the record breaking blue wave is changing who runs that building behind me. Democrats will control what bills come to the floor and they will have new powers to investigate the Trump White House. There are already 85 issues dems want to probe. Like trumps ties to russia where adam schiff plans to push the white house, and Elijah Cummings says he will root out corruption. But trump doesnt follow norms. We know that. What if the Trump Administration defies these democratic chairs . Thats where subpoena power comes in, and democrats say theyll use that if need be. We will make sure that Matt Whitaker will appear before the committee. Ive spoken to a senior democratic source on the ways and Means Committee who says breaking news, they do intend to request president trumps tax returns. I am going to issue subpoenas that go to the heart of our democracy and protecting that democracy. So in each of those examples, forcing whitaker to testify, gets tramps tax returns, demanding information from trump aides, the democrats will make demands and the Trump Administration can cooperate or refuse. If refusal, thats where the key legal fight comes in. To enforce a subpoena, these democratic chairs, they cant just act all on their own. They need the expected speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, to use her power on behalf of the house to sue the Trump Administration to enforce these subpoenas. This is key when dealing with any resistant white house. Congress, when you think about it, they can throw all the letters and subpoenas they want at a white house. But to enforce a subpoena, to deploy the prospect of criminal contempt or even jail, then a speaker has to deploy the houses general counsel and take it to court. The Trump White House may be target rich, but pelosi and that counsel, look, theyre not going to file 100 lawsuits over resisted subpoenas. That wouldnt be responsible. It would undercut their credibility in the courts in washington and potentially the Supreme Court where these battles can be decided. So when january comes, pelosi and her counsel are going to be making some very Big Decisions about which subpoenas and which demands are worth fighting over. Russia, the trump organization, trumps tax returns. And remember all those debates over pelosis experience . Well, these intricate battles, theyre not always front page nightly news kind of stuff. This is back room stuff. But she has done it before, and when she did it before, she won. In fact, when she was speaker in 2008, she made history with the first order of the House Counsel to formally sue the Bush Administration on behalf of the u. S. House over, yes, defying a subpoena. The conflict was something that could play out again with this administration, because it involved bush officials refusing to testify, citing executive privilege, which is something that trump has instructed some aides to do, even when facing a Republican House on russia. Pelosi combatted that move by instructing her House Counsel to sue on behalf of congress. And the issue in that very case may also sound familiar. It involved criticism that white house was trying to politicize the Justice Department after bush officials mysteriously ousted seven federal prosecutors. Dems investigated and subpoenaed to get answers, and then the bush cover story started to fall apart. Reporter white house officials struggled to contain the fallout from this story as it became clear that it was the white house that first suggested firing the countrys top prosecutors. And that fallout wasnt very well contained. The white house, they kept initially trying to defy the house requests that key staff testify. As attorney general Alberto Gonzalez sealed his own fate in a disastrous hearing where he claimed under oath he couldnt remember anything. I have no recollection of the meeting. Its not that long ago. It was an important issue. Thats troubling to me. Senator, i dont know that a decision was made at that meeting. How can you be sure you made the decision . I recall making the decision, senator. When . Sir, i dont recall when the decision was made. I dont recall him speaking to me about that, sir. It didnt happen, it did happen or you dont recall . You cant remember that conversation . Senator, i dont think that conversation happened. It was so bad, that gonzalez faced calls to resign from both parties. I believe the best way to put this behind us is your resignation. I urge you to reexamine your performance and for the good of the department and the country, step down. That congressional and public pressure ultimately pushed gonzalez out. Alberto gonzales leaves a Justice Department that, by his own admission, was demoralized. For the past six months hes been hammered by calls to resign. So that was part of a victory. But democrats in Congress Still wanted to get to the bottom of the scandal to what really happened. So pelosi kept up that lawsuit to enforce the subpoenas against white house officials. It was a chief of staff and white House Counsel. The white house resisted and claimed executive privilege. They said that should trump congressional demand. Who was right . This is pretty important right now. Pelosis aggressive legal strategy took that case to court, where the house won. A federal judge ruling the subpoena was valid, the aides should testify, they did not have absolute immunity from congress in the subpoena dispute. And providing something of a road map for house dems if the Trump Administration defies their demands next year. Trump is not a typical president. No other president has fought to hide what you see there, his tax returns. So if democrats empower the house to demand his tax returns from the Treasury Department and the secretary there defies that law and that request, then dems may need pelosi to get the House Counsel to sue over it, just like her past House Counsel irvin nathan led that fight ive been telling you about to sue the Bush Administration over those subpoenas. This is all off stage, and a little in the weeds, but sometimes the most important action in this town is off stage, and in the weeds. Still ahead, the mother of all fallbacks. Who needs to fall back for the year 2018 . Im happy to stay snls chris redd and craig melvin are with me, next. dealing with Psoriatic Arthritis pain was so frustrating. My skin. It was embarrassing. My joints. They hurt. The pain and swelling. The tenderness. The psoriasis. Tina i had to find something that worked on all of this. I found cosentyx. 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Wow business is good. Its a rental. Rental. Ill take it back after the interview is over. Rent the runway rolex . It never stops. You heard drake. I dont need you to come on here talking about my watch, the one thing i own. You know how we describe that kind of watch. How do we describe it . Bus down. You guys dont know what that means . You put the diamonds thats when there are actually bust downs thats busted up. What is this segment again . This segment is the fall dg back for 2018. Whats running through your mind is running through viewers minds. Its a madeup segment. I love it. Chris, for the whole year, who needs to fall back . Man, number one, who needs to fall back is fake rage. Its like how can you be mad at everything . Theres only 24 hours in the day. I agree. Everything cant set you off. Like everyone is ready to be outraged before they even know the falkts. Exactly. Not only mad for four days. Four days four hours. You think, chris red, the cable news makes that worse . Um, probably, but you think cable news hosts sometimes take over a segment when theyre a guest in it . Yeah, then they pit you against each other. You get caught in the middle. Ive got a question. Ive got a question. Can you not ask a question for five minutes stae its hard. Its really hard. Thats that today show gus toe. Im going to speak when spoken to. Craig melvin, you look at the year 2018, who needs to fall back . Ari melber needs to fall back. Ari melber needs to fall back in 2018. I knew ari melber when no one watched it, he was a multi media sensation. He was a stand out on the show. All of a sudden like chris red on snl. Just blew up. Why are you trying to turn this onto a roast . I wanted to come on and tell you how proud i am of the beat. Who needs to fall back . The mcrib needs to fall back. I like the mcrib. We dont know what it is, we dont know what its made of. Why are you pretending like its going away when youre going to be back . I dont like that. Like a person on facebook. Im leaving facebook, i dont like facebook, i hate it. The next day they have a status, good morning. Ooh, to who . They cant break up. I tell you one thing i hope falls back next year. Those detergent makers that have come out with the pods. The pods that made like, you know, a couple hundred kids sick. Now they have a contraption, looks like boxed wine. Its almost as if these detergent makers want children to drink the product instead of using it. I would get my butt whipped if i ate my mamas detergent. Youre referring to a parenting style . I think culturally there are certain children out there that are permitted to do things that we werent permitted to do in our youre talking about tough parenting. Also as perhaps a corollary to that corollary, i like that word right there, corollary. You were raised by southern parents. Yes. Youre from illinois, i thought. My parents are from mississippi. Oh. So both of you have that southern upbringing which can also be quite strict. Yes. It can. Your people, seattle people the coastal people. Seattle people . Permissive. You know how your people are out there. Seattle is hippied out. When you order coffee in seattle, you go to a coffee shop. Youre like, whats up . How are you doing . Good. Can i get some coffee. Theyll be like, dont rush me, ma man. And im like, but this is a coffee shop. I dont like that. Its aggressively chill. In chicago theyre aggressive aggressive. I dont know, pham, hold on. It says number one right there. It is aa its an option. I like this segment on tv. This is a great concept. Is this a Television Show right here . I feel it is. I may have to after this. Two suits and a hoodie on tuesday is it tuesday . I dont know what day it is. A hoodie and a rolex. Hoodie in a rolly. Unbusted down. On that note, im going to say this segment needs to fall back and were done, and thank you very much for coming through. 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We hope to see you next year. s its the 2018 hardball awards. Good evening, im Chris Mathews in washington. And tonight were celebrating the good, the bad and the infamous of the fast year with the hardball awards. And over the next hour well celebrate the people, the moments and of course the tweets that defined 2018. Including the award for the most inglorious exit from trump world this year. The best concession speech. The trumpiest thing said by someone not named trump, and the big award of the night, the the odd est moment of the year in