More than 211,500 americans. Meanwhile, his doctor continues to down play the president s condition and basic information to the public. When was his last negative test and what was his viral load . I know. Everyone wants that. Dont get mad. Get e trade ithe first full prescriptionis pstrength nonsteroidal antiinflammatory gel. I dont have his viral load. Available over the counter. Voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. Hippa prevents me from going into too much detail. Voltaren. The joy of movement. At some future point, maybe. But today, sorry. I think thats it. Doctor, what was the date of the president s last negative test . I wont get into the testing going back but he and all the theres a lot going on. We want to share an update. Staff are routinely tested. Were excited about here around trump wanted to leave the beat. Isolation and work out of the senator Elizabeth Warren is back on the program. Its going to be a special oval today and aides pushing back on that that would break interview. Because its heading into cdc rules and infect another tomorrows historic Vice President debate. Part of the white house. That report does not mean that of course she knows some of the donald trump has begun following people on the. His own administrations cdc and were looking forward to it. Safety policies. His white house refusing to even do the basic Contact Tracing join us 6 00 p. M. Eastern that is advised for that super tomorrow. Spreader event thats been so as for now its the the reidout with joy reid. Reported on and criticized and said it literally quote cut the cdc out of the process. Were already seeing the consequences and i actually have a special report on this very donald trump. Issue in a few minutes on tonights broadcast. The Reality Television here is the basic results. The list of infected allies and president. Went to extreme lengths to spin colleagues continues to grow testing positive. His failure to contain the the joint chiefs of staff, top coronavirus. A fill yur so thorough, he couldnt even protect his wife. Pentagon officials initislati i. His staff. His press secretary. Meanwhile, another aide testing members of the United States positive this morning also at senate. The military members and secret that rose garden event. Service agents a military valet near trump now positive. And two other white house staffers testing positive told to use discretion when discussing their health. Medically speaking, the president is still sick and contagious whether he admits it or not. New precautions already underway right now to contain the risk that he or other candidates may face at these upcoming debates. You have the next president ial debate in miami in nine days. Both candidates plowing full steam ahead and the running mate debate, which is tomorrow night. A lot is happening out of the blue. What happens next . Nobody really knows. Lets bring in our experts right now to help us get into this. Dr. Zeke emanuel worked as an Obama White House advisor and university of pennsylvania ex the author of which country has the worlds best health care. Erin haynes is with a newsroom that reports on gender and politics and wall street Journal White House reporter kathryn lucy joins us, as well. Doctor, your views here on what is preventable and manageable and what is unavoidable and whether the white house is adding unnecessary risk to the upper echelons of the government. Well, first of all, whats preventable are a lot of deaths that americans are suffering. We know that with the proper institution of the Public Health measures wearing a mask, social distancing, no crowds over 20, we could get our death rate way down because other countries like italy have done that. So thats one of the things. Clearly, the president needs to follow medical advice and if his doctor isnt really clear, isolation means isolation. It does not mean going into the rest of the west wing et cetera. Youre supposed to be at home. Thats the second floor of the white house and nowhere else. And the real worry doctor, let me just pause you before you go to the next one. Youre making the very basic but important point that there is no such thing as partial isolation. Youre either doing it or breaking it. Oh, absolutely. It doesnt mean you can have dinner outside with another couple for example. No, isolation is youre in your house and its unfortunate but the president courted this the whole time he refused to abide by the Public Health measures before. Not wearing a mask, not being socially distant thats the risk you run. If the president didnt want this to happen he could follow the cdcs guidance or whatever joe biden is doing who is following whatever the government recommendations are. And i think there is no two questions about it to have the leader of the country and the free world not ocabiding by thi sends a terrible message but the American Public isnt listening to him. They are giving up on him and changing. The one last thing ill interrupt again. Youre so smart and fast, you run right past it. Ill pause your second point and put this on the screen. You make an important point for the Public Health and safety of the nation. Not politics, not what you do in november. Most americans dont trust the white house info on health. 69 of people who trust most of it down to a third. Thats very low, doctor. You were going to a third point. Yeah, and apparently, americans are now pretty much beginning to understand that masks are important so were seeing a lot more mask adoption, the opposite of what the white house is saying. When i heard that the president was cancelling the negotiations over another stimulus and after chairman powell said it was necessary after clearly many people are hurting, the airlines are about to furlough people. You have to wonder is this guy beginning to have mental effects from everything, covid, the dexamethasone. Its just journalism but youre not in a medical position to make a personal primary diagnosis about his state of mind or health . You obviously read the codes of ethics. Im not making a medical judgement here. Im a citizen wondering what is he thinking here and could this be traced back as many experts are saying to the medications because it just seems like the wrong judgment even for the republican running for the presidency. Yeah, and you have every right to question his judge 789 a judgment and i want to make sure with our viewers im not wearing my white coat if thats what you mean. No white coat here. Im not like dr. Conley. Kathryn is going to weigh in on whether donald trump is fully sane. J. K. In the white house so with that vantage point, walk us through the human toll has been a difficult time not only for the people that work in government but everyone that works there, which as weve mentioned includes people who do reporting there. People who come in and out of the grounds for various reasons. This is a dangerous place, obviously. So what youre finding in your reporting . Yes, this is a very stressful time for staff, for people who work in the west wing both at white house capacity as well as housekeeping staff, people who work in the residence and obviously journalists who cover the white house. I was over there this morning. It very quiet right now. A lot of people are working from home. A white house staffer is being told, you know, theyre concerned, they should stay home. They are now doing a lot of deep cleaning and might have seen pictures of someone wearing full protective gear cleaning the Briefing Room last night. There is also a lot of anxiety from staff and aides who feel like they are not getting full information and havent been fully briefed and told when there are positive cases thanks Contact Tracing efforts dont mean necessarily people are reaching out to them. There wasnt any staff that went out and reminding people of what the guidelines wer and the president is back. They are for now trying to keep him in the residence. Theyve set up some temporary work spaces in the map room and diplomatic room but it an open question. You saw him walk up the stairs and take off his mask. Its an open question how long hell take any advice. Yeah, erin, speak to the politics of this because thats part of it. Were in the heat of a president ial campaign. There are those around the country who feel they have been living under trump policies. Hes clashed with Governor Cuomo and others. We documented that. They would argue while it not hopefully not just because you dont wish it on anyone, the reality, the factual reality, ill have later in the program tonight. There are people who work for donald trump who are experiencing when it comes to covid and health care, they are experiencing trumpism for the first time. The pandemic is political, which is a story i have up today on 19th news. Were seeing the gender gap already in this election. Women overwhelmingly, you know, supporting Vice President biden and saying that he is the one that they trust on this pandemic and that they are really looking to scientists and coming up with their own plans in the absence of a National Plan to address the coronavirus both from a Public Health and economic standpoint. There was a report that said women were more of the people who were increasingly Wearing Masks over the summer. They are the ones coming up for plans not only for their children and their Virtual Learning and elderly loved ones. They are navigating career or essential work, Front Line Work outside of the home. They are being directly impacted by this virus whether they ever get sick or not and what they told me is that they are frustrated and some of them are just down right angry because they are making sacrifices while they are seeing the president flouting the rules and saying things like dont let the virus dominate you and dont be afraid of the pandemic. It is impacting the lives of millions of americans that is what is going to be on that debate stage i think tomorrow night. Yeah, you mentioned the debate stage with harris tomorrow. Biden coming up. Take a look at what joe biden said about all of this. 210,000 americans dead and the number is climbing. Lets end the politics and follow the science. Wearing a mask, wearing a mask is not a political statement. Its a scientific recommendation. Erin . Well, Vice President biden said when he got into this race more than a year ago he was here for this to be the battle for the soul of america. The pandemic has also ended up becoming something that is very decisive for a lot of americans. I never would have imagined masks would have been something that has become politicized but in fact, that is the case because of the guidance that we have gotten from administration versus the guidance that has come from medical and Public Health experts. What you saw Vice President biden doing today in gettysburg is trying to unite the country around the response to the pandemic. I mean, im old enough to remember earlier this spring when the message was were all in this together and it really doesnt feel like that as the country is kind of reopening and fits and starts into different degrees depending upon where you live in america, what he was saying today, his message was that we can beat this virus together by doing the things that experts are telling us to do, masking, washing our hands and continuing to social distance but thats not the message necessarily that the administration is saying lets get back to some normalcy and that a vaccine is on the way and that well be back to normal life sooner than later. Erin, kathryn, dr. Emanuel, thank each of you. For context, the president telling americans dont be afraid. One thing thats for certain, dont let it dominate you. Dont be afraid of it. Thats what erin was just discussing but of course, the virus killed more than 211,000 americans. It has not been curved in any meaningful way. Whether it dominates you, among other things, that would depend on your situation. If you are someone who can take the marine one helicopter, a taxpayer expense to a private hospital paid for with public funds to protect you because youre the president , you may feel somewhat more confident than people that dont have access to good health care. Of course, donald trump is a part of that reality. He has worked to dismantle many of the protections and Insurance Coverage under the Affordable Care act. There are people in waiting rooms. There are people who have preexisting conditions and wondering whether those protections would last if the Trump Administration prevails in its quest in court now to end obamacare completely. Were about to be joined by politzer prize winning nicolaus cristoff. The issues of class and race and access to health care were paramount. At one point, this virus was killing nearly 1,000 people per day. On this day, almost 800 new yorkers died. I need a vent. I need a vent. I need a ventilator. Someone codes, someone dies. You go to the next patient. I have cried just at home thinking about it. I spent 12 hours by his bedside with all my ppe on. He would grab my hand and i would tell him everything is going to be okay. Were doing the best we could. But i could see the fear in his eyes, and it was heartbreaking. Nicolaolaus joins us. That was six months ago. What has changed and what does it mean for people in the white house apparently unfortunately to get a firsthand lesson in what so Many Americans have gone through and what you bore witness to . What has changed is the scale of the suffering around the United States. When i went into the hospitals initially at that point fewer than 10,000 people were dead in america. Now, of course, we have more than 200,000. But what hasnt changed is the fundamental reaction of the countrys leadership. You know, look, there were a number of countries around the world that initially made mistakes. Italy, britain, spain. But they learned from their mistakes. They showed a certain resilience and what is striking about the u. S. Is our failure to learn lessons. You know, the fact that we still dont have adequate ppe and still dont have adequate testing and we still dont have Contact Tracing and the white house refuses to engage in real Contact Tracing right at the white house and we havent learned to accept that this is a real threat. I, you know, i think what really struck me the most about reporting from the hospitals both in new yorknavajo nation, the way you died. Youre alone, youre scared, youre feverish and as a matter of compassion would be useful if we have the leadership that is were canned enough about those around the president but also for the modelling of the behavior and thats not happened. Yeah, and you talk about that. I want to look at the just some of the exposure concern out there. Nbc news was asking about this. 65 of americans, theyre afraid someone in their family will be exposed. You have this highlevel talk how bad it is or the initial talk you get heard immunity or some day there will be a vaccine. Were going towards the end of the year here. And while there are some trials that some folks have said are encouraging, the majority of the country is worried about exposure and we could have next year regardless of political calendars and who wins the presidency, we could have 2021 looking a lot like 2020. Thats right. I would note that ordinary american citizens do seem to have gained a deeper understanding and National Geographic had a poll showing 92 of americans wear a mask when they go out. You have seen across demographics a willingness to wear a mask in recognition they are life saving but we dont see that at the top and one of the things that the Public HealthCommunity Learned from aids and ebola and tuberculosis and diseases all around the world is the importance of Health Messaging and the Public Health community there is so much hostility in the south africa for example, his denial over aids. I never thought in my career as a reporter that i would see the same kind of denial in a president of the United States. But we do. But we do. Nick cristoff, seems relevant to look at it. Appreciate you joining us. Because youre busy, you have a new book tight rope, americans reaching for hope. Its now and you can check it out. Coming up in 30 seconds, Michelle Obamas stark message and my special report on trumps inability to protect himself or his team from covid but first, live on the beat Barack Obamas spokesman robert gibbs when we come back. S spokesmarons when we come back. Look limu someone out there needs help customizing their Car Insurance with liberty mutual, so they only pay for what they need. False alarm. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. State of the Art Technology makes it brilliant. The visionary lexus nx. Lease the 2021 nx 300 for 359 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing. At your lexus dealer. White House Press Secretary for the obama administration, robert gibbs and he joins us as the current white House Press SecretaryKalyleigh Mcenany selfisolates. She removed her mask to spaeeako reporters. As everyone gets this virus, we wish her a speedy recovery but your views on the White House Communications debacles here. Absolutely. I wish everybody who has been exposed to this or who has tested positive for this, wish them well and to get well quite quickly. I think weve seen over the past several days starting with that briefing on saturday from the president s doctor, the white house bungled this at every single opportunity it had. It had a moment in which it could have elevated what was happening with the president into something larger, even you heard him say in the video last night and you thought maybe hed make the turn where he said i learned a lot about coronavirus and the next thing as youve talked about in the show today. Dont let it dominate you. Maybe im immune. Hes doing this without a mask. I mean, Public Health emergencies are moments where our leaders have to model the behavior we want the rest of the public to follow. And at each and every opportunity, the president and his administration has failed mis miserably to do that and we struggle with this despite the fact many other countries are not. Yeah. I mentionedyleigh mcenanys issue. Her diagnosis was revealed yesterday. This is the period after trump tested positive. She did not isolate at that point. Four staffers that work for her tested positive and she briefed reporters without the mask. Three white house reporters tested positive and shes been evasive on the issue of trumps health. What kind of tests did the president get . Im not going to get into exactly what type of tests. What were the symptoms . I wont get into the president s symptoms exactly. Yeah, im not going to give you a detail with time stamps. Again, not giving a detailed readout of the testing. You have been in that job. It not easy. Maybe harder than it looks regardless of the era youre in. How do you grade her . Well, look, i think you saw in that video that the American Public deserves information about the president s health. I stood up there and declined to give answers to certain things at certain times but when we get into a point where the president has been moved from the white house via marine one to walter reed on saturday or friday night, and you saw both kalyleih mcenany and dr. Conley, you seen others decline to go through the president s health in a moment where its important for the American People. It important for our national security. Its important the signal we sent the rest of the world and the transparency how we do democracy. I think every single opportunity, theyve really failed to set the right example. And i think we still dont know critical things. Even dr. Conleys last in person briefing was asked did the president have pneumonia and he didnt want to get into it. When was his last negative test, which will bear when he can get back on the campaign trail. Is he safe and not contagious to participate in a debate . These are things that are not idle speculation and curiosity by the press core and as you mentioned, too, you know, we not only have reporters and staffers with this but now weve got reporters wives who have this. There is no Contact Tracing thats going on. None of the basic things that this administration has promised that this country should be doing for months now to get rid of and to get beyond this, none of that is happening in a building with the most resources of any in this country. Robert, on a slightly lighter note, you took a question about communication and turned it to a substance in Public Health. So for a Washington Campaign veteran, you get an extra gold star for that. Appreciate you being sting sub e substantive. Good. So many of these become political comparisons. Its hard in government to present a moving target and hold credibility. But president obama who sometimes was faulted for his academic or intellectual style, history bears out he did that well facing swine flu scares, the ebola scare and very clear about basically the Communications Meeting the scientific method. Youll follow the science unfolding before our eyes in a potential emergency and listen to the doctors, look at the comparison. This is obviously, a serious situation. Serious enough to take the utmost precautions. Healthy individuals should be able to fully recover. We know the science. We know how to prevent it from spreading. We know that if we take the proper steps, we can save lives. Its going to disappear. One day its like a miracle. It will disappear. Robert, do you see this as a tomato, tomato comparison . There is calm. There is reassurance from president obama and trusting people to understand when you give them the right information, that theyll come to the right conclusions. He absolutely believed that, still does. As weve seen and you saw in the polling you showed earlier at your show. When 30 of the people, only 30 of the people in this country believe what theyre hearing about the president s own health, they know that what theyre being sold is a bill of goods. They know it isnt true. They know that things are more serious and they want to be treated on the level. They want to be respected. They want to have that information and once you give that to them in that calm manner in that way that trusts their ability to do it, theyll do the right thing with it. You have to trust the American People and i just dont think that donald trump has tried to pull a fast one as it relates to coronavirus since it was first presented to him. He said it would go away. He said it was completely under control. None of that is true and i think hes paying a political price for it and america is paying a decidedly tragic Public Health price for it. Yeah. 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That is just the glaring context for how President Trump handled getting covid and mishandled it, how he failed to keep himself or his team safe and how now tonight he continues to needlessly endanger the people around him and how like so much else with trump, his own personal misconduct has served as something of a televised entire approach to governing. Everything i just told you is a fact. There is no satisfaction or joy in these facts. Nothing to relish in reporting on the failures of a patient and a leader who we all hope fully recovers but it vital that we report those facts and that the nation and you and your friends and family be informed heading into this election. President trump has now made three dramatic trips for his hospitalization. The trips there and back accompanied by the tv fanfare and social media posts and both those trips were necessary for a patient who needed to go get hospital care. Then there is the tell, the third trip. This should not get rolled into another series of news cycles and forgotten. The president insisting on that sunday car ride around the hospital to wave at supporters through the windows of his suv breaking cdc guidelines, the trip endangered those inside the suv for a publicity stunt as doctors noted. That ride is more than a ride. It reinforces not even contracting covid could alter Donald Trumps approach to covid policy. And that approach is very important to put under scrutiny right now for all the obvious reasons. And that approach contradicts itself but it does boil down to three core moves. Ill walk three them with you right now. One, deny and lie about covid for political ends. Two, he endangers himself and others. Three, he tries to protect himself while endangering others. That may sound inconsistent because it is but look at the evidence. Trumps own team always thought covid would hurt trump politically. So the entire strategy and Donald Trumps many well documented lies were to down play it even as he privately knew it was deadly. Its going to disappear one day it like a miracle. It will disappear. Thats a little bit like the flu. It a little bit like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. It did not disappear. Trump was not helicoptered back and forth for a regular flu. Covid is killing more people in the u. S. Than similar countries. Thats the denial and hindered the u. S. Policy response and trumps credibility on the issue but two, trumps approach eng dangers himself and others. Consider now the white house is one of the more dangerous hot spots than less places,less funding. Many other places are filled with people following basic rules. But trump spent months discouraging masks under cutting his own cdc guidelines and rules for their use in the west wing. The masks, its going to be really a voluntarily thing. You can do it. You dont have to do it. Im choosing not to do it. A lot of people dont want to wear masks. A lot of people think masks are not good. Many in the white house followed his lead skipping masks holding the recent super spreader event with 200 guests packed in like sardines. When this outbreak hit, trumps team hid crucial information about the spread posing extra risks to his own staff. These are people who have security clearances and inside access and yet, they found themselves learning about the spread in the news as has been the case ever since. Thats according to a senior trump official as trumps strange manager featured him currently contake gicontak c ripping his mask off leaving people say what white houseworker would want to go to work tomorrow . I want to stress the obvious here. Most Public Policies are not tested on the people who make them or on the white house itself. The president has a policy for schools or farms or prisons. The policy is not tested in realtime on the president and his team. Obviously. But because this virus can hit anyone, rich or poor, powerful or not, the nation is witnessing this strange process right now. Youre living through a piece of history. The medical fact check of the president s approach to covid, which shows the approach failing. It fails to keep donald trump himself safe. Even with the advantages of the best security and health care in the country, the results are in. Trumps policy didnt protect his team. Were approaching 20 people that got covid ranging from Government Advisors to the people running trumps reelection campaign. This is obviously not what trump wanted. Being sick. Having his own team sick. Drawing the campaign focus back to covid when he spent months trying to shift it away to other things, law and order, crime, supreme court, basically anything but covid. So why . I mean, we know from bob wood ward wards reporting that got so much attention, trump knew covid was deadly and to down play it to trick other people. What happened . Well, its clear at least two things. First, trump broke a Cardinal Rule for mafia movies. He got high on his own supply. What began as a political effort to trick others boomeranged believing this propaganda that came from their own side to trick other people. How else can you explain this relatively informed adults, some of them Senior Citizens taking such risk against their own selfinterest. Thats part of it. The other piece of this is the sense of false security because while trump did endanger himself, he also relied on hypocrite measures he thought would protect himself and that brings us to the third and final part of this approach i mentioned. Donald trumps moves on covid because he did demand people around him would wear masks and follow cdc style rules just to protect him. It affects virtually nobody. Its an amazing thing. He has asked why his valluet werent ordered to wear masks before this week. He wanted valets around him wearing the masks. Maskless events that endanger trmp trumps fans and friends. In tulsa, one prominent supporter herman cane died after contracting covid. There is not enough tracing to establish if he got it at that rally. Meanwhile, trump literally admitted he was fine endangering peep at church or his rallies as long as he personally was safe in his mind on that stage very far away. Wouldnt it be great to have all of the churches full . I think Easter Sunday and youll have packed churches all over our country. Donald trump just last night displayed reckless disregard for the lives of his own supporters at an indoor rally in henderson, nevada. The attendees were not socially distant and many were maskless. Arent you concerned about getting covid . No, im not concerned. You know why . Im on a stage thats very far away and so im not at all concerned. He wasnt concerned at all because he was very far away. He answered the question as the ultimate admission. He wasnt concerned about anyone else. That quote was telling when he said it the premises for a sick joyride that everyone watched on sunday and this is how trumps own team and protectors fell. Secret Service Agents ready to take a bullet for the president are angry. Trumps own aides fearful they may have been exposed to the virus over finger pointing to conflicting reports and information provided internally. Lets be clear. This is what trumpism looks like. This is trumps own aides facing the personal risks and cost of living under his policy and propaganda. His contradictions and yes, his callusness towards other peoples safety, even his people as he likes to say. I want to be clear with you as i always try to be on these serious matters. There is no claim there all of this could be prevented or that covid infections echo a given persons policy. The president isnt the first politician to get covid. Across both parties we seen it his cruz and paul and cane and casey and National Policies rooted in medical science would clearly help. New york has followed cdc guidance far better than the Trump Administration and other states. It has a punishingly high death toll. The cav yac this is about facts and policy not karma. If you want a wreckening for who is sick and not tonight, thats way above the pay grade of the newsroom. But i think the facts are actually clear enough by themselves. The white house is one of the safest most heavily guarded places on earth. We all know that. Armed officials guard it 24 hours a day ready to die to protect the white house and the president. But how do you protect against the danger posted from within . In terms of National Policy and physical health risks the president himself is the danger. President himself is the danger. This week on the upper hands. 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Its morally wrong, and yes, it is racist. This is part of the biden obama Closing Argument. We are of course, within a month of the election day. The race has been up ended by a lot including many people panning donald trump in the first debate than he got covid. Take a look in 37 different states including ohio where we saw a line outside one polling location in dayton spilling this far out past the parking area. A measurable sign of huge interest there. Were joined now by the new yorkers gulaini cobb. I rememberavoided saying the term racist about things that were racist to say nothing about the extra pressure of the obamas. That Closing Argument was one, very compelling. It was just a very compelling piece of communication. But i think you understand it more clearly and more precisely if you think about 2016. You heard ever since 2016 from michelle ocbama and barack obam about the 1. 2 Million People who did not vote. 1. 2 million African Americans that came to vote in 2012 and did not come out in 2016. And you listened to that commentary that she released today, it almost a kind of argument aimed at people in 2016 or informed by what they thought they took from 2016. There was a lot of Voter Suppression that came, this is the first president ial election post shelby v holder that gutted the Voting Rights act. In addition, there were African Americans that had not forgotten the 2008 president ial primaries where there was tension between Hillary Clinton and barack obama and many people felt that the clintons had in addition to that we have a super predator comment that was bouncing around all over the place that may have demoralized the black electret. Now, listen to Michelle Obamas commentary. Shes saying joe biden isnt perfect or the person for everyone, not even necessarilys everyones ideal candidate. Shes going walking through how she shares many of the criticisms that other people have about our political system and politics but it is not an option to check out and not vote. And so if you look and also, i think the use of the term racist was specifically meant to acknowledge the concerns of some of these people who quite frankly are thinking about the 1994 crime bill and saying that nonetheless, this is still the best option that we can think of if we are concerned about a whole slate of community issues. Really striking. I take your point on the policy history that people are aware of. And joe biden has built now this diverse ticket but there is this much longer conversation about whether the Democratic Party is taking sucertain voters for granted. There is talk how does biden do with Closing Arguments within the context of the president actually being sick and the way hes comporting himself. And it is striking to see theyre not waiting to hit back thoughtfully on this issue. Take a look at this new thing the Biden Campaign put out and this has gone out online and various special media so its hitting along of people and young people which it basically this meme masks matter and save lives. You get this reracking of that visual. This is what the Biden Campaign wants to close on. Your thoughts . Sure, it did not hurt the fact that even in the midst of the ailment where there could be a temptation to have some form of sympathy for donald trump, they still began with the same sort of belligerent behavior that turned off so many people in that debate on tuesday. So looking at this now, its like well, you know, if were going to continue punching after the bell, then well keep going after the bell. 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