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Found out within the last matter of moments that this News Conference is now more likely to happen at 4 30 than 3 45. We of course will be watching. When were done talking to you, were going to walk inside to Gillette Stadium where they already only have a standing room only crowd. Brady was supposed to speak tomorrow, chose to speak today. Their hope is they can put this thing to rest. We had a chance to speak to several people who have opinions of this who played within the league including a longtime nfl player i spoke to just moments ago. Ill grab a football quickly. He tells me that in his years playing in the league, that he cant name a single quarterback who didnt in one form or another try to doctor the ball telling me that players would often their equipment managers would sometimes use strong horse hair type brushes or sand paper to make these balls a little easier to grip. We spoke to joe theisman the hall of fame quarterback. He picked up a ball that was legal and ball that was two pounds per square inch below the limit. He said absent pushing the seams and made it a little easier to grip he said it was a negligible difference. What i anticipate well hear from tom brady today, a guy whos won three super bowls, two league mvps, is an acknowledgment that, hey, im the quarterback, i should have known better i like the pressure to be low on these footballs, but this was not a deliberate act to break rules. Peter, great stuff. Thank you as always. This is a big story. We have a big story coverage for the entire show. Cycle alum and pats afishcionado steve carrkornacki is here with us. In the hot seat tom brady, arguably the biggest name in football. About to hear from him at 4 30 now. What do you expect him to say . Theres a lot of suspense here in part because of the way belichick handled the press conference earlier. Oh did belichick throw brady under the bus . These guys coordinated this. The Patriots Organization certainly coordinated this ahead of time. The belichick thing was important because you have the whole history there, the spygate thing seven or eight years ago. For belichick to establish, hey, i had no idea thats certainly what hes saying. I believe him. We can get into that later. If it does come back to him, he could be banned from the nfl. It could be serious. I think what brady would say, i bet you he will say, look did i give them a specific air pressure wanted . No. Did i tell them i like it with a little less air . Yes. We know other quarterbacks do this. Aaron rodgers, quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, he said this publicly. He likes balls that have a lot air. He says we bring them in if the refs take the air out, were disappointed. Look, its important to have you here as a patriots apoll gist. We want to hear more from you on this. We also want bring in cha leaseman za young and mark malusa from sny radio. You look at that categorical denial in the press conference today, not just, hey, we dont do anything wrong here but i never discuss air pressure in footballs at all. Yeah and that is something that were a little surprised to hear from Bill Belichick, to have him say that and actually just be up front about it. Thats not really his style. He was up front. He said thats not his domain. Hes worried about getting his players ready for game on game day, and then, you know, kind of just pass the buck to tom brady, as weve discussed. Certainly interesting. It will be very interesting to hear what tom brady says in an hour and a half or so. Mark as steve mentioned the spygate scandal from 2007 when the patriots videotaped the defensive coaches of the jets videotaped their signals, so i was wondering as i was watching belichick this morning, how much credibility did he have before the reporters when he was giving his categorical denial . Did they already go into that room primed not to believe him . Well you got to understand when you look at belichick, hes a guy that crosses the ts, dots the is. Theres not a head coach that has a full grasp of everything that goes on within that organization. Now, i do have a sense to believe him. However, based on what you saw in 07 in spygate, you go all the way back to the rams super bowl. If you ask a st. Louis ram, ask kurt warner he felt like the patriots knew exactly what plays they were running when they were running them because they videotaped the walk through. The evidence was burned by the National Football league. Outside of the massachusetts area, Bill Belichick is not believable, regardless of what he said this morning. Can i just point one thing out . The story back in 2007 that said the patriots were taping the st. Louis rams walk through was ultimately retrangted by the newspaper that published it. But on this story, all right, 11 of the 12 balls ask Marshall Faulk about that. The rams lost the game. Marshall faulk and kurt warren earthquake the warner, the 14point favorites. Lets focus on the current story. 11 of the 12 balls underinflated. Under what circumstance does this happen without somebody going something again, the details, hopefully we will find out. Heres what i think is plausible, at least to me. Youve looked into the physics . Tom brady tells them. I like these things a little underinflated. You bring them in. The ref checks them pregame. Thats what Aaron Rodgers is basically saying. He says we try to get it past the refs pregame. We overinflate. We hope the refs dont notice. Sometimes we get away with it. Sometimes we dont. My guess is something similar is going on here. The patriots are trying to get away with underinflating it. Did the ref catch it . Maybe in this case no. They are doing something wrong, but your argument is everybody does something similar. Theres a difference between gamesmanship and outright cheating. Why have the rule . Why is the rule in place . If theres not a big deal if pressure in the football is not a big deal why is it in the football rulebook . Here are the facts. 2007, tom brady did an interview and said he likes to throw the football underinflated. 2006, when there was a change in the National Football League Tom Brady and Peyton Manning were the two players that push pd the league for teams to be able to use their own footballs. Facts are facts. You cant say because a guy goes auto out and scuffs up a football its different than going out there and throwing the football where you can get a better grip of it because its not up to the right pressure. Its two completely different things. Speak to that point and that argument and what does tom brady have to tell everyone today in this muchanticipated presser . You know, theres a report out there that he did stand before his teammates this morning in a full team meeting and say he does like the football a certain type of way. Bill belichick alluded to that this morning. Tom can tell you more about how he likes the football than Bill Belichick could tell you. I think Bill Belichick probably knows how tom brady likes his football, but we sort of are playing a little bit of word gymnastics in this situation here. But look tom brady can stand in front of there, as you guys mentioned, Aaron Rodgers likes it overinflated. I think that might be a little bit in play here that the officials, they do, you know weigh the balls about two hours and 15 minutes ahead of time. And then theyre given back to the team. So theyre not kept in the officials locker room there before the game time. They go back to the team. So its easy to doctor the ball up a little bit, maybe let a little bit of the air out. If its for brady that he has a smaller hand or he just wants that grip a little bit better so that he can get his accuracy the way he needs it to be then thats what he can do. And maybe in the past officials have turned a blind eye to it. But these are all the questions that we dont know the answers to yet. And we dont know if we ever will know the answers. Steve, the big question here is what will the punishment be . What will the fine be . But really its about reputation. I think thats going to be the biggest punishment. We took our poll. Most people think that they knew about this, the patriots. Give us a sense of how the country will respond. Is it breaking the rules . Yeah, it is breaking the rules. But this is a ball every one of these balls, theyre underinflated. What happens after every single play . The referee picks up the ball. The side judge picks up the ball. At any point, if this was so glaring and it was so egregious that anybody could notice the difference between a regulation ball and a slightly underinflated ball the referee could stop to me this puts it in a different realm. This puts it in the realm of holding is against the rules of football. On every play every player intentionally holds with an intent to get away with it to increase their kpet conclusive advantage. What do you say to a wide receiver who traps the ball . It hits the ground he tries to fool everybody into thinking he caught it. I put this more in the realm of that. Gamesmanship. It is around the edges, but its gamesmanship. Mark, how do you respond to that . Also to steves argument that lots of quarterbacks do this this is relatively common. Well i mean its not gamesmanship. Gamesmanship when youre trying to fool a referee to catch a football or holding on a specific play, youre spinning the story and taking the focus away from what it needs to be. The fact of the matter is two hours and 15 minutes before the game, the footballs were within the 12 along with with the backups the patriots provided, were within regulation. From that point forward, up until the first half when all the footballs were changed, they were doctored. Somebody from the patriots doctored the footballs. Thats not gamesmanship. Thats creating a competitive advantage where tom brady has been on record before saying in rainy conditions which informs foxborough on sunday it is better for him to throw an underpressurized football. So thats not gamesmanship. Thats creating an advantage for tom brady that the Indianapolis Colts didnt have. Indianapolis was tipped off by the baltimore ravens. They complained to the National Football league in the regular season when they played them in indianapolis. Many speculate the patriots have been doing this all season long. Its more than gamesmanship. You cant spin it that way. The patriots which were tainted before, are even tainted more now. And so chalise, walk us through that. We just heard two arguments about the level of this. For sports fans all over the country, they have an expectation that some amount of gamesmanship happens on the field and flags get thrown. Then there are still rules that are being followed. Walk us through what the local reaction is if you would, to some of what we heard, which is maybe this cheating didnt help them win, wasnt crucial to their victory. Last time i checked, thats not the issue. The issue is whether you broke the rules, not if at a given time that was crucial to your victory victory. Right. I think the majority of Patriots Fans ive said theres about a 60 40 split from what ive seen and heard. About 60 of people are really just defensive and saying look people hate the patriots they hate Bill Belichick because theyre so successful. They look for any and every excuse to bring them down. 40 , about, are Patriots Fans who are really upset about this and saying look we would have beat the colts with regulation football if they were at the proper psi. We did not need this to happen, so why are they doing this . Why did they try to do this . Its taken away from their joy. Ive had people tweet to me theyre not really that excited for the super bowl right now when really as a fan this should be the happiest time of the season for you. All right, steve, last word. First of all, this is going to be a hugely rated super bowl. People are going to tune in now. Because of this . Definitely. My final question you want to come down hard on the patriots for this talk about belichicks suspension, draft picks, i want to know whats the penalty going to be for the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Make sure its the same because they did the same thing. Very interesting. Maybe thats the question we should be asking here in this debate. Gamesmanship or cheating . As long as other people are cheating then its fine. How come we talked about on National Television in the middle of the season Aaron Rodgers overinflating the football and no one followed up on it . How come were only talking about it when the new England Patriots do it . How come you didnt talk about it then . Mark very briefly. Aaron rodgers, also when he said that, also said the referees did take air of the football sometimes. Sometimes. He said sometimes. I understand you love the pats, but stop spinning the story. Go talk to the rams again, okay. Were done. Its going to be a show today, guys. Thank you, all, for being with us. Biggest upset in nfl history. So that Tom Brady Press Conference were all waiting for has been pushed back. Were still ready to bring it to you as soon as it happens. But next in politics the president is on the road again. The yellow brick road. Well tell you what message he brought to kansas. Plus, does mitt romney have the heart or the brain . Just saying. To move aside and let jeb bush run for president . Well ask a republican watcher whos no coward. Click your heels three times. This is an amazing tease and the cycle look back. It is thursday, january 22nd. Ah, push it. Push it. P. Push it real good ow oooh baby baby. Baby baby. If youre saltnpepa, you tell people to push it. Push it real good. Its what you do. Ah. Push it. If you want to save fifteen percent or more on Car Insurance you switch to geico. Its what you do. Ah. Push it. Im pushing. Im pushing it real good can this decadent, fruit topped pastry. With indulgent streusel crumble, be from. Fiber one. Fiber one streusel. Alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours, but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. So why am i still thinking about this . How are you . Aleve, proven better on pain. Cycling now, lots of fastmoving parts throughout the political world. Lets get started. First, the president hits up another red state with his poststate of the union pitch. The verdict is in. Middle class economics works, and these policies are going to continue to work as long as we dont let politics get in the way. Meantime the most Senior Administration official in three decades is on the road in cuba. Msnbcs Andrea Mitchell is also there. They face the same challenge. They have to introduce transformation in their countries without changing basically what country has been. My prediction is both governments are going to work very hard to reach as many agreements on common issues that we can have. And fastmoving parts in the race for 2016. A meeting of the gop minds between jeb bush and mitt romney as Hillary Clinton mocks Vladimir Putins reelection. You can imagine the conversation with putin. You know he was Prime Minister after president and one day says vladimir you think youd like to be president again . I think i do. Why dont we just go announce it . Well tell dmitry he can be Prime Minister . Excellent, excellent idea. Sounds a lot like bill clinton to me. Anyway, so much to do, so little time. Lets get right to Nbcs Kristen Welker at the white house. The president s heading back to the white house, where Foreign Affairs seems to be outpacing his domestic agenda today. Well youre right about that. First his domestic agenda president obama was in lawrence kansas earlier today where he was continuing to sell the policies and proposals he mapped out in his state of the union address, increasing taxes on wealthy americans to pay for middleclass priorities like tax breaks for childcare, for better education, but the white House Keeping a close eye on Foreign Policy today starting in yemen with reports that yemens president hadi resigned. White House Press Secretary josh earnest, who was traveling home as we speak aboard air force one, just spoke with reporters and said the administration has been monitoring those reports quite closely and trying to determine what the implications are. Of course, the u. S. Has worked very choselosely with yemen in terms of combatting aqap. So theres a lot of concern about the instability in that region. But josh, making it very clear, the primary concern is for u. S. Personnel who are in yemen right now. The embassy has been evacuated of all of its nonessential staff. So there are only essential staff who remain. Earnest says at this point theres no indication theyre going to evacuate more people but of course they continue to monitor that situation. And then they are also dealing with this controversy over the visit of israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. Just to set the backdrop House Speaker john boehner invited the Prime Minister to speak before congress. It is expected he will talk about the importance of sanctions and increased sanctions against iran. Of course, thats something that president obama said he would veto if it found its way to his desk. You have a lot of republicans and some democrats trying to get that legislation passed in congress. The white house calling that a breach of protocol yesterday and then we learned late this afternoon that president obama will not meet with the Prime Minister while hes here. A spokesperson saying quote, as a matter of long standing practice and principle, we do not see heads of state in close proximity to their elections. Accordingly, the president will not meet with Prime Minister netanyahu because of the proximity to the israel election. Thats the official word. Obviously, the white house making it very clear that they were frustrated by that breach in protocol. They are also watching what is happening in cuba as you pointed out. You have highlevel conversations going on as the United States and cuba try to normalize relations. The highest level talks that have occurred there if 35 years. Back to you. Kristen welker at the white house. Thanks again. Here with us now at the table is publisher of the federalist and senior fellow at the heartland institute. So the president s speech has been lauded as forceful optimistic, weve never seen this president before. And the nightly show seems to have a theory about why that is. Lets see that. Doesnt he realize he just lost an historic election . I mean both houses by historic margins, even his own party was deserting him. I mean doesnt obama know he wont be able to get anything done in his last two years . Oh oh he doesnt give a [ bleep ]. Oh so the president doesnt give a beep. How does the republican majority deal with a president who has that mind set . Does the gop give a well, does the gop care . Mpbls im not sure they do care. From their perspective, hes been giving them middle fingers for a long time back. It is a change in tone though. He seems to be a lot more unleashed now and maybe a little bit more open to kind of a bull worthesque approach when it comes to speaking his mind. I think this is the sort of thing you might have wanted to see from him a year ago. Thats what got him elected in a lot of ways. People probably wanted to see this seven years ago. I feel like hes rewinding all of the things hes said about middle class priorities and is replaying them now. I mean, i agree with that. He really laid out something that people could believe in and buy into and make them show up at the polls. Lets talk about what just went down in the house of representatives. They decided to pull this bill on abortion because some members of the Republican Caucus namely some of the women and some of the more moderate members, were very uncomfortable with the bill. They decided to pass a different abortion bill. I wanted to get your response to this quote from congressman charlie dent who said, you know with the new Republican Caucus week one we had a speaker election that did not go as well as a lot of us would have liked. Week two we got into a big fight over deporting children something that a lot of us didnt want to have a discussion about. Week three we are now talking about rape and incest and reportable rapes and incest for minors. I just cant wait for week four. Is this new republican governing majority here in the house and the senate are they getting off to the wrong start . Well, charlie dent is a very moderate member of the republican coalition. I think its interesting that this is a good example of how much the Republican Party today gives ammunition to those who say its essentially a representation of money and business interests that plays the game of being culturally conservative. Youre talking about a measure here, a 20week ban is one of the most popular aspect that those who want to restrict abortion put forward. Is making women report their rapes popular . You have to say a lot of these same members who are opposed to it this time voted for it last time. I think this is an example of a lot of people who are happy to vote this way before an election to get their base out, but then when it came time to actually put it forward in a way it might end up going to the president s desk at some point, they were far more far less willing to put their name on it. I think thats a very interesting perspective and an interesting question. One push back that i would say is in particular at the state level after 2010 when we had republicans sweep across the country, we had an historic number of antichoice legislation passed across the country. So to me it seems like their priorities lie pretty closely with the religious aspect. I think thats separate from a lot of the things you see at the federal level. Thats something thats been a problem for republicans for a long time. They talk a good game when they arent able to put those things into practice. But now that the responsibility is on them i think that theres a lot of skepticism about what theyre going to do in terms of living up to it. Right now there are hundreds of thousands of protesters on the mall like there are every year at this time, you know, who come year after year to protest on the abortion issue. This is a great big raised middle finger to them. I think thats something that could have some consequences. Just politics at its best. Speaking of players and how they play their game and the Republican Party, the next few days theres a lot going on for 2016 gop contenders. Steve king is hosting ten contenders in iowa, which well all be watching closely. The big meeting is happening today that people are talking about. Mitt romney and jeb bush. This was already on the schedule before mitt romney made it known he wanted to run for president. Im sure jeb bush was hoping this was going to be a meeting where he could maybe get his support. This will probably play out differently. Will they come out saying, you know, its got to be one of us. The thing thats crazy about this is at the original time they were scheduling meeting, it had a completely different flair. This is the young guy coming along, giving his respect, paying homage to the don who run the neighborhood for so long. Turns out the don doesnt want to stop running the neighborhood. He doesnt just want a taes he wants the whole thing. I think thats a problem in terms of going forward. I would love to be a fly on the wall. Hes like putin without the power. Wants another go at it. Want other big news in politics today, u. S. Attorney here in new york charging and arresting one of the most powerful democrats in new york on major corruption charges. Lets take a listen to that prosecutor today. We allege that Sheldon Siler have effectively converted 500,000 in public money into over 3 million in personal riches, which is a nice profit on being a public official. Pretty explosive charges against one of the most powerful democrats in new york. All of this growing out of Andrew Cuomos Anticorruption Commission which he started then dismantled. What do you make of these allegations . I think its to see what all the dominos are going to be from this. I think this is another example of how much the state grant game which is something that is largely ignored, is actually an enormously profitable thing to do at the state level. Attaching all these various permission and referrals to them that allow all sorts of opportunities for kickbacks. Theres a rot of things that have happened like this in other states but nothing to this level and no one of this prominence. Bob, thank you. Thanks. Still ahead, patriots poster boy tom brady answers questions on deflate gate. His Live Press Conference is less than an hour away. And next rethinking what it takes to land a dream job. Im pretty sure i cant be nfl quarterback, but you never know. [audible safety beeping] [audible safety beeping] [audible safety beeping] the nissan rogue, with safety shield technologies. The only thing left to fear is your imagination. Now save up to 1,000 when you finance the 2015 nissan rogue. Nissan. Innovation that excites. By the end of this decade two in three job openings will require some higher education. Two in three. And yet, we still live in a country where too many bright striving americans are priced out of the education they need. Its not fair to them and its sure not smart for our future. And thats why im sending this congress a bold new plan to lower the cost of Community College. To zero. That was one of the big proposals from the state of the union on tuesday. Two free years of Community College. And there are a lot of good things about this. It could help stem the tide of crushing Student Loan Debt which now tops 1 trillion. And our next guest argues some dream jobs that are available right now only require a twoyear associates degree. But with half of recent College Graduates currently unemployed and over 3 million jobs unfilled is two years of free college enough . An expert in matching qualified workers with open jobs and also the author of job u how it find wealth and success by developing the Skills Companies actually need. Thank you for being with us. Youre from australia. I love hearing advice from someone whos not from the u. S. But the big question that we all ask ourselves right now is how do we remain competitive in the 21st century . Hes proposing two years of free college. Is that right next step . Is that enough . Look i think that you really need to look at whats going on outside the borders of the u. S. Weve got this technological change. Weve got globalization. And all better off. The way that people are having to do business is changing and employers are having to reacts. One of the challenges is that the Education Systems are just not dapting to this change. This is why youve been talking about this mismatch. You know, high unemployment, yet weve got this enormous amount of jobs. 600,000 jobs unfilled just in manufacturing. Advanced manufacturing. I was going to ask you, what the most needed jobs . What are the minimum requirements, the minimum skills to get them . I think theres an enormous amount of jobs out there where two years of Community College is a great steppingstone. I think its about the right education at the right time. I think what the president is talking about is engaging people and to have a productive economy, you need to have people engaged at all levels. Theres very high youth unemployment. Its important to connect people to the world of work and a Community College is a great place to do that. So there is something in this for every person in the country. Its about setting up the next generation of workers and the next generation of taxpayers. I mean what about the problem people say that a fouryear degree is becoming less about sort of the skills and the ability to do a job when you come out of it and more about just a signal to employers. That doesnt seem like a positive development to me. Does giving people free education, does that help with that issue . Look its an expensive signal. The average Student Loan Debt 30,000. I was speaking to a young lady last night, 85,000 she has in debt. If we had an 85,000 debt hanging over our head thats a lot of money to pay back before you even get to go. I think its very much got to be, as i said about this idea of the right education. And for people who know where they want to go to a Fouryear College, great. Go do that. Like a specialized skill. If you know where you want to go. But there are thousands and thousands of people what if you want to be a poet . Exactly. You have to look at what the jobs are. I think one of the huge things the president is trying to do here is look at correcting this labor market mismatch. Straight up front, nothing is ever free. This is money coming from the taxpayers purse. Its about where is this money going to come from. Theres money in the system and its about how the taxpayers money is best invested. So any of this money needs to be spent really addressing where these skill shortage industries are. I think thats going to be the key. But if there is this skills gap, this Skills Mismatch situation where employers arent able to find the employees that they want, shouldnt they just lift wages . And we havent seen any increase in wages. Yeah k look theres a Slight Movement of wages, but i think you make a great point there. This is not governments problem alone. Really, the president was talking about looking at the skills required out to 2030. I mean businesses need to take a view. In my business im looking at 10 15 years ahead to build a strong labor pipeline. I think that its really about, you know, if you look at the cycles of government, theyre fairly short. I think employers really have to step up to the plate and have to say, well, what am i going to do to invest in skills programs . Now, wages is one area for sure. No problem. You need to remain competitive. But i think its about offering on the job training. I mean a lot of people are very interested in getting a job. And then actually getting some skills while does your company struggle with finding people with skills . Absolutely. I work in about six countries. In every country, this is the same problem, this globalization. So i practice what i preach. Not only do i talk and write about this i actually started as an apprentice because the type of learning that i needed was very much this handson style. I like to learn by doing. So an apprenticeship path was right for me. Then i ended up at Harvard Business school. I dont think people need to look at this silo that often goes on. Should i select going to Community College . Should i go to a Fouryear College . Should i get a job . I think the answer is you can have it all. Yeah. Such an important conversation. Weve got to get it right. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you so much. Were waiting to hear from super bowl bound Quarterback Tom Brady. What will he say about allegations of cheating by the new England Patriots . More on that. Thats next. [ hoof beats ] i wish. Please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all. Is health. So we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. Expanded minuteclinic for walkin medical care. 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Heres what aris been wondering. Will this scandal have any impact on the super bowl . The short answer there, its unlikely. But lets rewind for just a moment to an unexpectedly defiant pats coach Bill Belichick just this morning. Dont look now, tom, youre about to be thrown under a bus. Toms personal preferences on his footballs are something that he can talk about in much better detail, and more information than i could possibly provide. So for now, the ball is in qb and glamour boy tom bradys court, and he will hold that News Conference in the next hour. Right now nbcs Peter Alexander is back with us. This time from the phone inside gillette for that press conference. Peter, what are we expecting to hear here . Well we hear from tom brady a short time from now, as you reported. Nbc news was first to report that tom brady had actually spoken out to his teammates earlier today. Those teammates telling me inside the locker room during a prescheduled meeting that Bill Belichick traditionally heads up tom brady effectively took the mic and told them that he does like the footballs a certain way, and he encourage them, like he would be to focus on next weeks super bowl. Heres more of our conversations with some of tom bradys teammates inside the locker room a short time ago. Do you have faith that tom brady had nothing to do with the balls being underinflated . Ill tell you one thing. If bill said he doesnt know whats going on if bill doesnt, you know did tom . If bill said he has no idea, you know, what happened then thats all that matters. Do you have faith that tom brady had nothing to do with the balls being underinflated . I just know that we practice with worse balls than what we played with that night. Well the other reports Bill Belichick made is he said during his News Conference today that he in practice would do everything he could to make the balls more difficult for his players to use, saying if they practiced in those just unpleasant conditions it would better prepare them for games themselves. Youre right. Today all the focus is on tom brady. The legendary broadcaster john madden speaking out a short time ago, saying that ultimately this would fall on the into the hands of tom brady. It would be his decision that would drive the way the balls were manipulated for the game. But to also be clear, players have spoken. Former nfl players all agree theres not a single quarterback in the league who doesnt, in their words, doctor the ball in some way to try to give them an advantage in the game. All right. Very interesting stuff there, peter, alexander. Thank you so much. And lets bring in rand getlan and b. J. Shekter executive editor of sports illustrated. Rand, let me start with you. What do you expect tom brady to come out and say here . Itll be interesting to see what he ultimately cops to here. You know you saw belichick basically say this is in tom bradys court. Theres a very low likelihood that the two of them have not discussed the implications of this strategy. Whether its true or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I do expect that tom brady, to some extent, given the comments that have come out already, in terms of him liking the balls inflated, i expect him to take some responsibility here. If nothing else, hes going to say, yes, its true, there is a certain inflation i like the ball at in order to play. B. J. What did you think of Peter Alexanders new reporting there from inside the locker room, those responses we heard from teammates . Well i think rand is right. This whole thing was orchestrate orchestrated. Bill belichick doesnt just throw tom brady, his star quarterback, under the bus without talking to brady about it. Brady is charming. Everybody likes him. I think hes going to have some explanation. I dont think hes going to go as far as falling on the sword, but hes going to take some responsibility and try to make this go away a little bit. And the practice thing, i want to read on that. What belichick said is look my personal coaching philosophy is to make things as difficult as possible for players in practice with footballs. We practice with balls that are as bad as they can be. Wet, sticky, cold slippery however bad we can make them i make them. Who cares what they practice with . Thats not the issue. Right. You look at, you know, this is very analogous to pitchers in baseball. They doctor the balls. They use pine tar and sandpaper. This has been going on for years and years and years in every sport. The margin for error in victory is so small, especially in the nfl, that quarterbacks like pitchers are going to search for any advantage they have. Quarterbacks have said they will do this in one way or another to try to doctor the balls to make it to their liking. Yeah rand b. J. Said a minute ago everyone likes tom brady. Do they all like tom brady . I want to read something he said just a few months ago when he was asked when he would retire. He said quote, when i suck ill retire. I dont plan on sucking for a long time. This is someone whos not known to be humble. Is this why were so fascinated by this all waiting for what he has to say, because of the team the patriots and because its tom brady after all . Yeah i mean you make a great point. There are a lot of things to love about tom brady if youre a person that likes to see people win in life. There are a lot of reasons to hate tom brady if you dont like to see people marry supermodels and live in us a ten tashs mansions. You know the point about the patriots is important. They got caught in spygate in 2007. Ultimately, Bill Belichick got in trouble, the franchise got in trouble, lost a draft pick. I think a lot of folks would like there to be an excuse for why their teams have lost so often to the patriots. I dont think the underinflated balls is the reason. That was the Steve Kornacki argument earlier. Rand how much damage does this controversy do to the Patriots Organization to the sport of football which has had a lot of controversy of late and also to the impebding super bowl . Well reactions have been varied. There was a sports caster who said he believes if its proven the patriots did, in fact underinflate these balls purposefully, she believes the sanctions should be more strict than they were in bountygate. Of course, there were allegations of payments for players to injure other players. To me i think youre taking quite a leap there to say they should be punished further for underinflating balls than for trying to hurt a human being. One thing that is clear, we certainly love talking about the patriots. If theres a cheating scandal, even better. And this is one of those things were getting a lot of mileage out of. Indeed. It is kind of an irresistible story. Rand getlan thank you so much. B. J. , stick with us. Were awaiting that conference by patriots Quarterback Tom Brady. Thatll be in the 4 00 eastern hour. What will he say . Jonathan is on the edge of his seat. More on deflate gate is next. Sunday dinners at my house. Its a full day for me, and i love it. But when i started having back pain my sister had to come help. I dont like asking for help. I took tylenol but i had to take six pills to get through the day. So my daughter brought over some aleve. Its just two pills, all day and now, im back aleve. Two pills. All day strong, all day long. 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Proof not only at this table. We also heard breaking from harry reid democratic leader in the senate who wanted to get in on this debate. Lets take a listen to that. As far as i know. I cant believe the National Football league with the billions of dollars they make, couldnt at least determine how much air should be in a football football. I dont know why it should be left up to the teams. Harry reid there. You see him having the ban gaj from that injury he sustained. Hes getting surgery on his eye this week. We should mention. But again, none of that held him back from weighing in on this. Hey, why cant the nfl deal with Something Like this . In a way they do. They test the balls. Two hours before every game. They check the pressure and then it goes to the teams hands. So there is a small window where they may be able to do something with the ball. In a way its all very silly. You dont see it as cheating . Thats really what were talking about here. What should the punishment be. This is far for the course in football. I think a lot of teams do things like that. Spy gate is another level. If youre taking teams practices, youre trying to steal playbooks, to me thats another level. This is a small advantage. Look what happens in golf. Politicians, businessmen, everybody. What do they do . Oh, the ball is in the woods, let me kick that out a little bit. Will it affect a round . Maybe, maybe not. So whatever happened in terms of penalties and did he or didnt he do it . I dont know. Its got to be massive destruction for the patriots and in a way the seahawks. You look at Richard Sherman and everyone likes to focus on him. He doesnt say anything and gets fined. Now the focus is on them. Now everybody hates him. Its the us against world mentality. Were going to prove you wrong. Athletes look for the edge. Coaches look to motivate you. Bulletin board material. Patriots are scum. We hate them. They have no chance now. Were talking about balls, inflated deflates whatever. Were also talking about Bill Belichick and brady. Im not a sports fan at all. How huge are these two people . If you look at a law firm in new york the most senior partner at the most firm in the world. Thats the patriots. Bill belichick is the senior partner. Tom brady is the breadwinner. He brings in all the clients, all the money. Hes front and center. Thats your analogy there. Who the the junior associate . I wish we had time to find out. Thank you for your reporting and analogies. We are waiting as we say, for super bowl Quarterback Tom Brady. The podium is set for him in foxboro. Nineteen years ago, we thought wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad . So we gave people the power of the review. And now angies list is revolutionizing local service again. You can easily buy and Schedule Services from toprated providers. Conveniently stay up to date on progress. 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We continue to follow the breaking news out of foxboro where tom brady is about to speak. Alex wagner has a star studded panel to cover all of it led by Sports Authority mike barnacle. That starts right now. We are awaiting remarks from patriots Quarterback Tom Brady who now finds himself at the center of the deflategate controversy, following espns report that 11 of the 12 balls used by the patriots were deflated below nfl regulations during last weeks nfl championship over the colts. On monday it was a charge that brady laughed off. [ laughter ] i think i heard it all at this point. No. Thats ridiculous. I dont even respond to stuff like this. Today the twotime super bowl mvp finds himself in the eye of the storm especially after Bill Belichick wiped his hands clean of the the