Iraq. And once again donald trump didnt do it. Instead, he said captain khan would be alive today if donald trump had been president then. Captain khans father will join us with his response, and we will also be joined by an army veteran who served with captain khan in iraq, but first, the biggest thing that the political media chose to pretty much ignore about last nights debate, and it was also the single strangest, most inexplicable thing that we have ever seen or heard in a president ial debate. Did anybody see that debate last night you never saw anything like that before. She was flabber fwasted, i can tell you. [ sniffing ] when he was pressed about how he behaves, he just doubled down on his excuse. This was locker room talk. A really weak excuse. [ sniffing ] i brief in redemption. I believe in second chances. Its just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. Because youd be in jail. Lock her up, lock her up special prosecutor, here we come, flight. Winning candidates dont threaten their opponents with jail time. House Speaker Paul Ryan telling his colleagues on a Conference Call he wont defend donald trump anymore. He alone did not make himself your partys nominee. All of you have consistently supported him. Hanging a [ bleep ]. You knew damn well i was a snake before y took me in. [ sniffing ] this is the last word on campaign 2016. Nothing brings out the worse in the president ial Campaign Media like a debate. The dirty little secret is that most of them dont care about policy, but thats just too obvious, and its been too obvious for too long, so it really isnt any kind of secret at all. Most of the media covering campaigns do not care about candidates positions on the issues. They only care about polls and performance, onstage performance, and they care about those things more than policy for a very simple human reason, something were all guilty of. Its much easier to care about polls and performance. It doesnt require any homework at all. No studying the intricacy of tax policy or International Trade or the exact locations of possible nofly zones in syria. You can just sit back and watch the debate and judge it on performance skills, not content. That is, of course, not fair. To whatever percentage of voters cares more about policy than performance. And its not fair to candidates who care more about policy than performance. But the media, in favor of judging, the media bias in favor of judging performance over policy was worse than ever last night, because the media rigged the judging standards for the debate. The performance judging standards. They rigged them, even at the most superficial level. They rigged them at the performance level. The media spent 48 hours since friday night, when donald trump was heard on videotape admitting to Sexual Assault, lowering expectations for Donald Trumps debate performance, and by the time the debate started, the media had set their expectations for donald trump so low that the only way he could possibly have met those low expectations would be to greet Hillary Clinton the way he told billy bush he greets women. When youre a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab them by the [ bleep ]. You can do anything. Donald trump exceeded most of the political medias expectations by sounding better than that. By not using any slang terms for the female anatomy and not describing any methods he would use to assault women. And so, for the political theater critics, donald trump, quote, did what he had to do, end quote. Thats their favorite valuesfree judgment of a candidate. That kind of language allows them to feel dispassionate about their analysis, that the candidate who, on friday, was heard bragging about Sexual Assault had a good night at the debate. And here is the truly, deeply weird thing about that last night. Something we have never seen or heard before at a president ial debate happened last night, and it was virtually ignored by the political theater reviewers, and what is so profoundly weird about that is that it was not a policy item. It was not something complicated. It was something purely superficial. It was something perfectly suited to their analysis of atmosphere ickes and performance skills, it was simply the worst failure in the performance skills category that we have ever seen at a political debate. And this is the same media that got hysterical in 1982 when former president bush checked his watch. If thats enough to lose a president ial debate, what is this . [ sniffing ] what is it . Now ive never heard a rhino up close, but maybe they sound like that when theyre napping. Ive heard farm animals that sound like that. Pigs sound like that sometimes, but not exactly like that. Those are sounds ive never heard before from a human or animal source. Ive never heard those sounds anywhere. And no one has ever heard those sounds in a president ial debate until last night. [ sniffing ] and that is but a tiny fraction of the number of times donald trummade those noises during the debate. Everyone who said donald trump did well in the debate based that judgment not on policy, remember, they based it entirely on performance. And everyone who says donald trump performed well in the debate ignored the strangest sound we have ever heard in a debate, ever. Now i know everything ive said about the debate so far is superficial, but if were going to judge a debate on the superficial stuff, on the performance stuff, how can you possibly ignore this . [ sniffing ] imagine once again, just imagine if Hillary Clinton had made a sound like that once, just once. The Trump Campaign would be insisting today that shes dying of emphysema or shes a cokehead. The political media would be wondering whats wrong with her. Imagine if barack obama had ever made those noises or mitt romney or anyone whos ever been on the president ial debate stage. Thats all the political theater critics would have been talking about. But the deviancy of the trump candidacy is so extreme that the news media has twisted its own analytical tools so conform to this twisted candidacy. And so they actually found a way of saying donald trump performed well. Exceeded expectations. America didnt see it that way. A real scientific poll found that 57 of debate watchers said Hillary Clinton won the debate, and 34 said donald trump won the debate. A new nbwa street journal poll shows that Hillary Clinton went into the debate last night with a commanding lied. This poll was taken between the time the video emerged on the bus in hollywood and the debate. It shows the Trump Campaign in free fall. It shows donald trump as a candidate, with nothing to lose when he took the debate stage last night, because he already lost. So donald trump had nothing at stake last night. Hillary clinton did. The presidency. The presidency is hers tonight, assuming she can run out the clock between now and november 8th without trump scoring any points against her. So she did what a professional would do, she played it safe last night, knowing she didnt have to reach for a knockout punch for a candidate who is already knocked out. Joining us, rick tyler and spokesperson for the Cruz Campaign and Maria Theresa kumar. The theater aspect of stuff drives me a little crazy. But i was stunned that in all the theatrical analysis, very few words spoken about the one thing that seemed to have been left out of trump debate prep, and that is how to breathe. Well, not only how to breathe, but also this idea that the moment hillary got into his space, he almost seemed like a cage animal and started pacing back and forth, for whatever reason, twitter has been an incredible avenue of bringing in new voices and last night after trump was telling Muslim Americans to see what basically, to basically say what they see, a hash tag was created and it said muslims see this, and the kicker was someone is watching you, hillary. And it literally tore through the internet, because it was one, very funny, but two, it was this idea, is anybody else watching how close his proximity is . He looks like a caged bull. And there was very little analysis on that point. Lets listen to what donald trump said today about the possibility of more damaging video coming out against him. I was gettin beaten up for 72 hours on all the networks for inappropriate works 12 years ago, locker room talk, whatever you want to call it, but i said to myself, wait a minute. I just saw very inappropriate words, but bill clinton sexually assaulted innocent women, and Hillary Clinton attacked those women viciously. One of them said more viciously than he attacked them. If they want to release more tapes saying inappropriate things, well continue to talk about bill and Hillary Clinton doing inappropriate things. There are so many of them, folks. Rick tyler, when the candidate is up there saying, in effect, predicting by saying if they want to release more tapes. That sounds like someone who knows more tapes are coming. It seems like they are. As you know, lawrence, usually the worst tapes come closer to the election, and its hard to imagine there being a worse tape than the billy bush tape released on friday, and yet here we are. Whats interesting about what trump is saying, on the one hand hes saying what i said 11 years ago doesnt matter, but he wants to go back 22 years and say that what bill clinton did does matter. I was offering the view that donald trump was going into this debate last night just trying to prove that he was not as bad as bill clinton. That was the only objective he had in the debate. I hed you offering a theory of the postelection trump objectives here which i find absolutely fascinating. Give us that. I think the trump candidacy is over, effectively. I think they know it. Kellyanne conway knows it, shes their pollster. And now you have a group of people whove made an enormous amount of money being antidemocrat and particularly antihillary. And a hillary presidency would be a very lucrative business for the group at that cap turls the antihillary movement. So last night seemed to be more about setting up or coalescing, thats why he was retrenching with his base, a group that would be a very lucrative business proposition to, for a clinton administration. So Maria Theresa, if it cant get you elected, it might be able to make you a lot of money starting november 9th. The thing is, if we thought president obama had a problem with the tea partiers, we have seen nothing yet with the trumpetes, folks going after Hillary Clinton. Theyre nasty, mean, and all about trying to break government. The fact that we werent sounding bells yesterday when he basically threatened to jail a political opponent, he did the same thing when he went after a federal judge, judge curiel, saying if he was in the oval office, he was going to make sure that the judge would get investigated. He also started saying that the media, that he was going to investigate the media, so he has very clear what kind of thug he is. And he says, well, if i cant have the white house, im going to make sure that im going to make the person at the white house, Hillary Clinton, almost impossible for her to govern in this country, that for me is something we should all be very clear at the end ever the day when it comes to the sanctity of the voting booth, to make sure no one threatening, but to make sure that he ces about america just as much as everybody else. Kellyanne conway says it was just a quip when donald trump said if he was president he would put Hillary Clinton in jail. Lets listen to the way donald trump talked about it today. Lets listen to it. Crooked Hillary Clinton, oh, shes crooked, folks. Shes crooked as a 3 bill. Okay. Heres one. Just came out, lock her up is right. No. So rick, this quip thing is getting harder to pretend is a quip. I mean, it didnt look like a quip there, hes saying yeah, its right. Hes absolutely playing to his base. And there are a lot of people, you heard them last night in the audience who dont like Hillary Clinton. And so hes playing, hes definitely playing to his base. But dont misunderstand it. It is not just antihillary. I think this same group intends to split the Republican Party. Youre actually seeing it now. All the people who peeled off of donald trump over the weekend. That represents one side of the party, the establishment, a lot of conservatives like me, and against the breitbart wing of the party, and they intend to organize and be the most influential part of the gop. I think they will go around the country and try to win over counties, committees, state committees and then ultimately the rnc. So theyre going to try to organize top down. And i think, you know, what youre witnessing is really historic. It will be the split of the Republican Party. And i think what go ahead, maria. I think what he is saying is absolutely right. The biggest concern is that all of a sudden theyre going to have a bunch of mini trumps running for office. Thats why you dont see the rnc chairman alienating trump, and while paul ryan says im feet going to unendorse him, im going to try to keep my party as close as i can so basically you dont have a complete revolt from the base. The split in the Republican Party doesnt mean that they are ever going to create the white house. Right now they are fighting against the demographics of this country. There is no way that they will be able to get Higher Office than possibly the congress. But definitely not the senate or the white house. Thank you both for joining us tonight. Thank you. A new nbc news poll shows very bad news for donald trump and republicans in congress. Charlie cook will give us the read of all of it, and khazir khan will join us about comments donald trump made about his son last night. 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The nbc news wall street journal poll taken after the release of the donald trump video on friday, but before last nights debate has ominous news for the Republican Party beyond the collapsing support for donald trump. It shows that more americans now say they would prefer congress to be controlled by democrats than at any time since the 2013 government shutdown. 49 favor democratic control to 42 who say they want republicans to maintain their majority. Heres how democrats are attaching donald trump to Republican Senate candidates. Im automatically attracted to beautiful, i just start kissing them. Its like a magnet. I moved on her like a bitch. Grab them by the [bleep]. I intend to support the republican nominee. Im sure once President Trump takes over it will be fine. Im not in the business of critiquing. [ inaudible ] would you tell a child to aspire to be like donald trump . Ask absolutely, i would do it. When youre a star, they let you do it, whatever you want. Joining us now, charlie cook, nbc news political analyst. Charlie, lets take a look at the big numbers in the nbc poll. First of all, the one on one clinton versus trump version of the poll shows Hillary Clinton at 52 and donald trump at 38. And the fourway has Hillary Clinton at 46 , donald trump at 35 . If this poll gets confirmation with other polls coming up, this is, this is a really big lead thats opened up. Well, it sure is, lawrence, but the thing is, coming out of that first debate, this thing was starting to head south for trump. And then the tapes were just the tip of the iceberg. And i dont think the second debate undid any of that. So, you know, its bad luck a month out to say somethings over, and its bad luck and poor taste, but, you know, when you see the nate silvers putting it at 79 to 82 or 83 . I dont get into that. But those big numbers do reflect that this thing looks, you can almost put a fork in it. Lets talk about what it means for the socalled downballot races, senate and house, and i want to listen to what representative charlie cook in pennsylvania says, about what it might mean to the senate race in pennsylvania. Lets listen to this. Toomey. If donald trump were to lose the state by five or six points, if he keeps it competitive within that range, i think pat toomey can run that. If donald trump is beaten by more than six points i think it would be very difficult for the senator to win. Of course we meant charlie dent, and i said charlie cook because thats what it says on this piece of paper. What do you make of that math where we can get away with this if trump loses by five. Theyre making that calculation in each state. Its not necessarily a calculation as an educated guess of how many votes do you have, how many clinton voters does pat toomey need to pull over in order to beat katie mcginty. And the bigger that number is, the harder its going to be. Its just a simple laws of arithmetic. The thing is that the republican majority in the senate was teetering on the edge without donald trump. You know, its, it was more one of exposure of republicans just having so many seats up, so many seats up in states that obama carried. These were seats they were able to win in a Midterm Election when president obamas numbers in 2010 were in the toilet and the Affordable Care act was radioactive. So 2016 and 2010 are a world apart. Even without donald trump, the senate would be teetering on the edge. Really wanted to get your calculations on the house, but well have to do that another night. Thank you for joining us. Really appreciate it. Coming up, what do you do if youre an actor and youve just completed a publicity tour for your latest movie. Well, if youre shailene woodley, you get arrested as she did today. Thats coming up. Next, gold star father khazir khan is here to respond to what donald trump said about his son. Thats next. 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Lawrence, thank you, but before i say anything, i want to salute bravery of josh manning and young men and women that have served this country and have given their life and have sacrificed their life in defense of this country. The comments from donald trump were so disingenuous, like before. He continues to use sacrifices of our young men and women for political expediency, and i reject it, and rest of the veterans and the people that serve this country reject this political expediency. And mr. Manning, you said muslim soldiers like captain khan gave their lives to save me, a jew. That is america. We are not at war with islam. Josh, what was your reaction when you heard donald trump say that last night . Well, lawrence, first of all, thanks for having me on. Its an honor to be here. So i would say, when he first said it, i didnt quite hear it, so there was so much going on, and he was saying so much nonsense that i kind of got overwhelmed by it, and i thought to myself, did he just make a comment that i thought he made . And it turned out he did. Thats the most callous thing you can say to us who served, and especially to mr. Khan, to say that, you know, if it would have been him, his son would be alive. Thats just an awful thing to say. And josh, you were there that day. You heard the explosion and i know you havent met mr. Khan or had a chance to speak to him. I just want you, if you could take a minute to just tell us what it was like there that day and, and what the feeling was about the heroism that was displayed that day. You bet, so it was and my dates might be off, its been 12 years. But it was june 8th, 2004, so it was just as the insurgency was really getting boiling, and we were used mortar attacks and rocket attacks, but we hadnt had any sort of car bombing at our base, so this was the morning of our e5. And we were eating breakfast before the board. And then there was this mass ever explosion. Ive never heard anything so loud before. The air force used to drop bombs on the date palms on our base, but this was even louder than that. And we thought it was outside the tent. We didnt know what was going on. Everybody hit the ground, which we usually didnt do by that point if time. So when we got back up and saw that nothing had blown up outside we heard there was a car bombing at the front gate. This was about a quarter to halfmile away. So we heard this explosion, like it was right next to us. And so we tried to sort through what was going on. One of the specialists who was there, she walked by and said a piece of engine block went flying over her head. Thats when we found out that captain khan who was not on duty that day. He didnt need to be there. He stepped forward, when enlisted soldier thes should have stepped forward. They would have said go forth and check. And if he hadnt gone forward on his own, they would have killed friends of mine at the gate that day, iraqi civilians. That day taught me so much about what it means when the army talks about selfless service. Mr. Khan, i know you have heard from others who were there that day about what it meant to them, but i just wanted you to hear yet again from someone who was there that day. Donald trump had a chance once again to apologize to you last night, were you at all surprised that he didnt . No, i was not surprised at all. I had said that, that this perso lacks empathy, emper mentally and to be candidate for the president of the United States for candidate for commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States. I have said that before, and i repeat again. And he had displayed exactly same character that he had displayed from the beginning. I am just surprised that why republicans, republicans are as patriotic as anyone else in United States. Have not discovered his fakery. Have not discovered his misleading, misguiding behavior for political expediency. I watched the debate last night. I was appalled. Him trying to intimidate Hillary Clinton by saying that he will appoint a prosecutor and then hes saying so unconstitutionally that she should be in jail. I remind these people ever 1973, when then president nixon tried to interfere in the independent investigation by the then prosecutor, look what happened then. The attorney general of nixon resigned in disgust. Deputy attorney general resigned in disgust. And we know what happened thereafter. Those memories are not too far, and this candidate has already laid the foundation for that kind of behavior. That has taken this nation to a shameful past. This is not congo. This is United States of america. Country of laws. But this candidate has no regard for the truth, no regard for the laws of this country. I am surprised that our republican compatriots, how will they rebuild their party . How will they rebuild Republican Party . They used to be the banner bearer of the family values. Is their representative . Why havent they all repudiated him and distanced so they can rebuild the Republican Party to be the Family Value Party as it used to be . Mr. Khan, i want to thank you very much again for joining us again tonight and Joshua Manning joining us. And to both of you, i want to say im very sorry that we are having this discussion, because captain khan was killed the way he was. Mr. Khan, you know, you have my sympathies, im i have, very sad for your loss, and josh manning, im sorry for all the friends you might have lost in iraq also. Thank you, josh. Good to see you. Good to see you, too, mr. Khan. Well be right back. 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Only allstate sends u a bonus check for ery six months youre accident free. Silence. Its gd to be in, good hands. Bill clinton was abusive to women. Hillary clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously, four of them here tonight. That was the stunt the Trump Campaign war room came up with for last nights debate. And tonight the trump president ial war room is now facing a new announcement by john mccain in his Campaign Debate tonight that he will not vote for donald trump. When mr. Trump attacks women and demeans the women in our nation and in our society, that is a point where i just have to part company. And say that i had to withdraw my support, just as i can not support Hillary Clinton. With 28 days left for the president ial campaign war rooms, joining us for the last world. Elysse jordan. So theres john mccain saying, putting into words, in his debate something that were going to be hearing from other republican candidates in interest debates. Well, i western that more republican men would stand up and do what john mccain just did and say that this language and trumps attitudes toward women are unacceptable. We talk so much as a party about family values and its time for republican men to put their money where their math is. Mouth is. What is the gap between republican family values and donald trump. It is the worst phenomena. I grew up southern baptist, so i grew up in an evangelical household. Explain to us the Southern Baptists sticking with donald trump. I think the hillary hatred is so strong. And theres such an entrenched attack on the clintons for so many years and they have benefitted because it is so over the top. At this point, you have a the love evangelicals who detest the language and what trump stands for. But they also feel the same way about the clintons. So everyone is left with no one to vote for this year. Politically, Morning Consult poll is, has, you know, polling on exactly this question that we saw at the beginning here, and that is donald trump bringing up bill clintons past. Is it appropriate. 33 say its appropriate. 56 say its inappropriate. Thats the kind of polling that was available to the Trump Campaign before sunday night. But they still did this. And its the kind of thing that in the face of the polling we have, makes you wonder is donald trump really trying to win this election. It makes rick tylers theory, announced early in the show really powerful to me, that it is no longer about trying to win an election. Its trying to build an antihillary business for after the election. I think its all about Donald Trumps ego at any given moment. Its not about the Republican Party. Its about donald trump and whatever he is feeling at any given moment. And reports coming from trump tower indicating that the Trump Campaign operatives are all just laughing about the problems this is causing for the Republican Party. Its great that its so funny for them to watch the country implode. Its great that they stand for conservative principles. And if youre really trying to be a republican president who wants to do the biggest tax cut in history, youre going to need republicans in the senate, youre going to need republicans in the house to do that, and they dont seem to care about that. He clearly doesnt care about being president if this is how how is he going to feel, what is he going to do when he loses and is a loser . What is the reaction then when he is defeated by Hillary Clinton, a many would, i wonder what the next steps are. Hes not going to admit hes a loser. Somehow he will find a way. Elysse jordan, thank you. Coming up, the woman donald trump was talking about in that leaked access hollywood audio and video finally responds. 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By now, im sure that most of you have heard the audiotape which became nationalness and part of the president ial race. My name was mentioned and unfortunately, it has thrown me in the middle of the political arena. There is no room for objectification of women, or anyone for that matter, not even in the locker room. The conversation has got to change. Because everybody deserves respect e no matter the gender or setting. And, as a mom, i have to add that our kids, especially our young girls need to know that their hard work, their achievements, their intelligence, their heart are most important and those things will not go unnoticed. That was nancy odell tonight responding to what donald trump was heard saying about letter on her on that video. Msnbcs coverage continues on the 11th hour. The 11th hour is next and it w williams