You have to wonder if they are regretting that decision now. That does it for us tonight. Its going to be a big day tomorrow. Well see you again then. Its time for now last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening, rachel am and Michael Avenatti appeared on your program this week where he previewed what happens today. Michael avenatti will be my first guest tonight taking us through what happened today and some of the accusations made against him by President Trump, Lindsey Graham and others. But, rachel, at this time tomorrow night we will be wondering if there is a republican who believes that we need to hear more or there needs to be an fbi investigation now that theyve heard this testimony. And that republican could be jeff flake. If it is jeff flake, then this whole thing stops because jeff flake is on the Judiciary Committee. They need every republican vote on that committee in order to move that confirmation out of the committee. So if they dont have jeff flake on the committee, jeff flake is empowered now to stop the whole thing. And, you know, its interesting. I should tell you that chris coons was just on my show this past hour live. And it was interesting. I asked him if there were not sort of off camera discussions happening among senators and if its just among democrats or republicans happening, too. And he said ive had conversations with democrats and republicans who are deeply uncomfortable and unhappy with this process on the committee and are trying to find a way to get a brief but appropriate process in place. Youve been saying this for a long time, if any 1 one of these senators particularly jeff flake on committee say, listen, im just telling you im not going to vote until theres an fbi investigation, that is sort of a third way out here. That is sort of a way to get through this process with some dignity and process. And that could absolutely be the offering here. People have been saying its 5149, so you need two republicans to stop this or slow it down. I think you only need one. I think jeff flake is the one positioned most powerfully to stop whats happening singlehandedly. But i believe if Susan Collins were to come out and say i need an fbi investigation before i can cast my vote, then she would get her fbi investigation or Lisa Murkowski or any one of them. And if suspect if one of them said it another one would immediately back up that senator. And just as a thought experiment, that as a reasonable response to tomorrows hearing, if what we hear at tomorrows hearing is anything short of crazy town, right, if those allegations brought forward from dr. Ford and all make sense and seem credible it will be a rational and reasonable response for republicans whoo uncomfortable pressing ahead to say, listen, im not going to tell you no, but i do think we should look at this before we vote. That seems where we might be tomorrow night if anyones going to tap the brakes here. Ive got my panel of Senate Confirmation experts joining. Ill get off your show. But of course were going to begin with Michael Avenatti. Lets go right to it. Were joined now by Michael Avenatti. Hes the attorney for julie swetnick, the third woman now to accuse Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct. And Michael Avenatti, i want to get into the particulars of exactly what your client, julie swetni swetnick is accusing Brett Kavanaugh of. I want to go straight to the point of is she accusing Brett Kavanaugh of specifically sexually assaulting her . Thanks for having me on. Im not in a position tonight to fill in the blank or answer that question. My client is going to answer that question to hopefully fbi agents, because were demanding an fbi investigation proceed forth with. My client is prepared to meet with fbi agents. As crow know lying to an fbi agent carries a very serious potential criminal sentence associated with it. Shes willing to sit down with fbi agents, answer any questions they have about all of these allegations, provide additional witnesses, provide additional facts and information. And for the life of us, lawrence, we cant understand why the chairman, the Senate Judiciary committee, and Mitch Mcconnell and the president are all trying to avoid that at all costs. Its kind of a simpleal yes or no question was she the victim of a Sexual Assault by Brett Kavanaugh. Did he sexually assault her. We heard professor Christine Blasey ford say yes to that and give her story about that. What is difficult whats the problem in not answering that simple question . Well, i know it may appear to be a simple question, lawrence, but its not. And ears why. Because my client was effectively drugged at the time. So she has things that she observed, associated with that gang rape that we believe lend credence to the fact that Brett Kavanaugh was involve. Theres other facts that may lend credence to the fact he was not involved. So its not as simple as just a yes or no answer. Otherwise id be happy to answer it for you. Okay, that does clarify a bit. And i just want to read this passage of the sworn statement that shes made so that the audience understands clearly what were talking about. It says in approximately 1982 i became the victim of one of these gang or train rapes where mark judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present. It doesnt say they actually were involved in this particular one. Shortly after the incident i shared what had transpired with at least two other people. During the incident i was incapacitated or without consent. And thats the passage everyones been concentrating on today to try to figure out today what she means by simply saying mark judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present. You seem to be saying shes not sure whether or not they actually participated in the assault on her. Well, correct, lawrence. I point to the answer that i just gave that there are facts that lend themselves to to a belief that in fact they were present and did participate. Theres other facts that lend one to an opposite conclusion. But, look, i want to focus on the other paragraphs also under sworn declaration of perjury. Those alone declare that Brett Kavanaugh is not fit to serve on the highest court of the land for a lifetime and at a minimum there should be a thorough and fair investigation, and there should not be a rush to confirm this man to a lifetime position on the u. S. Supreme court with all of these women coming forward, lawrence. Theyre not all lying. Theyre not all fabricating. And the idea that somehow all of these women got together and conspired to derail this nomination is absurd. The Judiciary Committee republican staff actually asked Brett Kavanaugh all of the questions that you suggested to them that they ask Brett Kavanaugh. You didnt know this was going on because they werent fully communicating with you about what they were doing. But they did ask every single one of those questions. The first one and im quoting from their transcript of the conversations, Brett Kavanaugh, did you ever target one or more women for sex or rape at a house party. Judge kavanaugh, no. And it goes straight through every one of your suggested questions. Then did you ever object or attempt to prevent one or men participating in a rape at a house party, and judge kavanaugh said i never saw such a thing. Your client seems to indicate Brett Kavanaugh was absolutely present at parties where things like that took place and more than one party. Thats correct, lawrence. And im going to go back to Brett Kavanaughs interview of two nights ago on fox news. Im sure you saw it, ive seen it a number of times. Brett kavanaugh lied on that interview. Im going to call it like i see it because you know thats what i do. He absolutely lied on that interview. He expects the American People to believe that the same boy who wrote those passages in that yearbook related to drinking and all those other references, that that same boy was focused on basketball, getting good grades, and as he said being a good friend to boys and girls. I mean, lawrence, it was laughable. The only thing he left out was helping little old ladies cross the street and bringing an apple to every teacher of every class every day. It was an absolute joke. The American People are smarter than that. And for this guy to try to sell that bill of goods to people, its a disgrace. Brett kavanaugh was asked about this term devils triangle. It appears apparently in the yearbook. He said hes never heard that word referring to sexual behavior. They then asked him why did you include the devils triangle entry in your yearbook, and judge kavanaugh said i dont know, we were 17. Thats all from questions you wanted asked. They also talked generally to Brett Kavanaugh in their interview with him, the republican staff, about the possibility of him ever being involved in or witnessing drug induced gang rape or taking advantage of girls at parties that way. And he said ive never participated in Sexual Activity with more than one woman present, and me, he said, in other words ive never had a threesome or more than a threesome. So he is very definitively in his language refuting all of the accusations that are in julie swetnicks sworn statement. As you know and any good trial lawyer knows, its not a question how you answer questions on direct examination where its basically your side asking it questions. I mean anybody can spoonfeed you questions and have you regurgitate the answers. The rubber meet the road, if you will, upon crossexamination. When you have an Adverse Party asking the questions and followup questions. That did not occur today as you noted because the democrats object to the process. They dont believe the process is fair. We dont believe the process is fair. Thats why you have to have the fbi involve. Thats why you have to have a thorough and fair investigation, and thats why ultimately you have to have a crossexamination. I said this earl ier and im going to say it again, if Brett Kavanaugh would like to cross examine my client ill take half the amount of time to cross examine Brett Kavanaugh. Well make that trade right now. In addition, my client is prepared to take and im sure pass a polygraph examination provided Brett Kavanaugh will take and pass a polygraph examination. Im confident they wont take us up on that either. You got Donald Trumps attention today. Hes always been more than reluctant to attack you when youre representing stormy daniels, who he tried to apparently keep as a girlfriend for about a year. He tweeted this morning saying avenattis a thirdrate lawyer whos good at making false accusations like he did on me. I dont know why he doesnt seem to notice that all the accusations you made about him have been proven true. He goes onto say that he calls you a total lowlife, and then in a president ial press Conference Today you got yourself in the president ial press conference history books by getting attacked by the president. Lets look at this. And then you have this other conartist, avenatti, come out with another beauty today. I just heard about one a little while ago. I can tell you her lawyer is a lowlife, okay . So i dont know about todays person that came forward. I do know about the lawyer, and and you dont get much worse, Bad Reputation to take a look at his past. Your reaction . Well, lawrence, i want to make sure that i get this straight. Im a lowlife and a im a thirdrate lawyer, and meanwhile the hand picked lawyer for donald trump for 10 to 12 years, michael cohen, just pled guilty to multiple felonies including at least two of which involved direct conduct by the president of the united states. And im a lowlife and a thirdrate lawyer . Well, lawrence, if this thirdrate lawyer has been able to accomplish what hes been able to accomplish over the last six to seven months, imagine if if i were a firstrate lawyer. I want to get reaction to what Lindsey Graham said because apparently Lindsey Graham want to go to war with you. Im very suspicious of this coming out before the confirmation vote, im very suspicious of Michael Avenatti. Heres what i think. If youre a serial rapist power over women in the workplace everyone said hes very respectful. Your reaction to Lindsey Graham . Well, i guess lindsey got it memo that the Republican Party must have sent out this afternoon with the talking points how to attack Michael Avenatti. I find this to be very curious, lawrence. They want to make me the issue, and the reason is because they have no answer for all of these allegations by all of these women. Id be happy to go up against Lindsey Graham, donald trump or any of the other republican hacks they happen to trot out. I noticed don junior got in the mix by calling me a porn star lawyer. Evidently he forgot his father was the one who had unprotected sex with my quote porn star, unquote, client. Thank you for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. When we come back my panel will join us with their reaction to todays developments in this story. And donald trump had a very specific oaudience for his pres Conference Today. The republican senators who have not said they will vote for Brett Kavanaugh and donald trump as usual made the situation much, much worse for Brett Kavanaugh. vo this is not a video game. This is not a screensaver. This is the destruction of a cancer cell by the bodys own immune system, thanks to medicine that didnt exist until now. And today can save your life. The kavanaugh confirmation was rocked with another allegation today from an accuser when remains anonymous. Republican senator Cory Gardener received an anonymous letter that he passed along to the Senate Judiciary committee. The letter says i will remain anonymous but i feel obligated to inform you of this 1998 incident involving Brett Kavanaugh when he was author of it star report. My daughter from colorado occasionally socialized with Brett Kavanaugh. She and a group of four including kavanaugh met in a washington, d. C. Bar. Her friend was dating him. When they left the bar under the influence of alcohol, they happen all shocked when Brett Kavanaugh shoved her friend up against the wall very aggressively and sexually. There were at least four witnesses including my daughter, her friend still traumatized, called my daughter yesterday september 21, 2018, wondering what to do about it. They decided to remain anonymous. Joining our discussion now, lisa graves, former chief counsel for nominations on the Senate Committee and nemieke eoyang, a former chief of staff to congresswoman ana eshoo, who was the first dr. Ford communicated with. I want to go to you first about this anonymous letter that the Judiciary Committee has and has been reading. What can the Judiciary Committee do with a communication like that . Well, its certainly possible for senator gardener to reach back out to that person assuming that its anonymous in the letter, but perhaps they know the identity of that person. Or there could be an appeal for that person to come forward. I think what youre about to see tomorrow is a hearing that has a number of people who should be in the room missing from that room. Includesi including a mark judge and two other women and perhaps this person who comes forward from 1998. Because theres a pattern emerging here and right now the hearing is stacked not to reveal that. In fact, to reveal the opposite. To have someone come forward, dr. Ford, and then have Brett Kavanaugh say a bunch of denials to the American People when a denial is the most predictable thing to hear in this case. Its what you almost always hear when someone is accused of rape or sexual misconduct. And mieke eoyang, were seeing it play out in realtime. The reasons why the people who are trying to move something forward in the senate or the house always want to do it as quickly as possible because every day it doesnt move is another day for something to get in its way. Every day something bigger seems to be getting in Brett Kavanaughs way. The republicans knew about some of these accusations that had not yet become public when they were trying to force this thing forward to a vote this week. Yeah. The stakes are very high here. The Supreme Court term starts at beginning of october. Theyre in a big rush to try and get this resolved. But the risk here is that you put someone who is a serial sexual predator on the highest court in the land. And from that perspective they need to get to the bottom of these allegations and not just hear from one witness but from others who might have been present at some of these parties and hear from a whole range of people because the stakes are very high. This is someone who will sit in judgment of the entire nation and they should be held to the highest moral standard. And the republican Judiciary Committee has been jumping on the phone almost every day conducting a new interview with Brett Kavanaugh which they produced a transcript which we now have tonight, and they said to him about this accusation from yesterday they asked him at any point while you were involved in the starr investigation did you ever shove a woman up against a wall very aggressively or sexually as you left a bar. Judge kavanaugh said no. At any point while you were involved in the starr investigation did you ever behave violently toward a woman and judge kavanaugh said no. And dahlia, it is odd that they limited that question to when you were involved in the starr investigation. Its very easy and i understand the specificity of it because thats included in the accusation. But when you finish that form of the question it is customary to say did you ever do that, did you do it at any other time. Tay very specifically and deliberately it seems left that out. I was here a week ago talking to you about process and what kind of process you would do if you really were on a genuine authentic Fact Finding Mission as opposed to a sort of conveyer belt move it along, move it along. And i think so much of what were seeing, leaseisa makes th point, theres a third person. We have contemporaneous accounts from other people, people willing to testify. And the idea were going to narrow these questions and shoot them out and hope for the outcome we want and move this along its the an thissis of fa fact finding. And we senator collins was in a meeting and she voiced very strong concerns about the way this process was working. She thinks not having an fbi investigation is a mistake, according to this report of what she had to say in that meeting. But so far Mitch Mcconnell has been able to contain every republican senator and manage today get every single republican senator to join publicly in the idea that we do not need an fbi investigation. Well, its an enormous mistake to proceed without an fbi investigation, that supplemental review, to go interview a number of witnesses, get them on the record speaking directly with the fbi, what all the consequences that entails and have that information come back to the senate or perhaps have Brett Kavanaugh withdraw. I hear people talking about this as a Job Interview of the significant consequence. It almost feels like a really bad Reality Tv Show where you get married after just meeting someone but the consequences of real life are horrible. But in this instance its like you cant really get divorced from this person once theyre on the Court Without extraordinary means. I dont know why any american person would go along with this. Hissistry as a political operative, his lies and misleading the senate and extraordinary circumstances of woman after woman coming forward saying he sexually assaulted them or attempted to do so. This is unprecedented and unworthy of our Supreme Court. I dont think the American People are going to stand for it, and the american women across this country are certainly not going to stand for it. Mieke i know all republican staffers have seen things said in these sessions they will not say publicly. But what Susan Collins is reported to have said is really a giant leap away from what she said publicly. Apparently she brought the affidavit, Michael Avenattis client, julie swetnicks, sworn affidavit to this committee. And this committee today had nothing to do at all with the Judiciary Committee investigation. So Susan Collins was forcing this subject on a room that didnt want to hear about it. It was more organizational for what theyre doing on other legislative fronts. And apparently according to this report senator collins said that the fact that it was a sworn affidavit gave real weight to the allegations, and in her mind it now made sense subpoena Brett Kavanaughs friend mark judge. Now, that is a strong position that all of the democrats have been holding publicly. And the notion that Susan Collins has that position herself, but so far is unwilling to say it publicly, must be pretty scary for the republicans that shes possibly a breath away from saying it publicly. Thats right. And she may not be the only one. Theyre much more willing to share their doubts away from the cameras, away from the reporters. And what we saw senator coons speaking about is many more senators are uncomfortable with this process. They dont want this rush to judgment and being perceived theyre railroading dr. Ford, ignoring these serious allegations. Its complicated when you have whistle blowers coming in, but you do need to get to the bottom of these things. And dahlia, one of things that always happens when a nomination is hanging out there for an extended period of time is that the supporters of the nominee will invariably end up saying crazy things. We the star of that now is Lindsey Graham. We thought it was going to be the older senators. We thought it was going to be orrin hatch, hes not bill cosby. Lindsey graham, the guy who thinks hes the best guy in the senate came up with quote hes not bill cosby defense. Republicans are in a tough spot because absolutely a handful of them who are willing to say shes a galactic liar and it seems donald trump is willing to say not only are they liars but theyre paid and conartists. The rest of them seem to thread this needle of say things like that or were going to vote against her. Not being bill cosby is something i would say if an appearance of neutrality even mattered bought it was funny to watch donald trump try to thread the needle today where he did some real damage to Brett Kavanaugh. Thank you for starting our conversation tonight in the panel. 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The whole country has heard donald trump describe exactly where he likes to grab women when he meet them. So with defenders like Sexual Assaulter donald trump the kavanaugh nomination is now on life support. Someone told donald trump that he should not call all of the women making accusations against Brett Kavanaugh liar as he always does with any woman who makes accusations against him. And so the president tried to shift focus. He tried to do that. He tried to avoid attacking the women, and he tried instead to shift the focus to attacking democrats. Donald trumps job today was to try to hold onto the vote of senator Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and possibly jeff flake, the three republican senators who might, just might not vote for Brett Kavanaughs confirmation. And donald trump did not say one word to solidify those votes. He shifted the focus as much as he could from the women making the accusations to the democrats in the senate. Calling the democrats what trump has been called his whole life. Theyre actually conartists, and they know its a big, fat con job. This is big con job. A big fought con, and then you have this other conartist, avenatti. Schumer and the conartists. These are conartists. Its a con job. Its a con job and its not a bad term. Its not a bad term at all. Its a congame. When you use language like con job in allegations with Sexual Assault yes, he has and america has heard him say it. Grab them by the [ bleep ]. Donald trump did the worst thing he could do, he openly entertained the possibility that at the end of kavanaughs testimony hell believe the accuse, Christine Blasey ford and get rid of kavanaugh and find a replacement. He actually talked about finding a replacement and admitted he might just withdraw Brett Kavanaughs nomination. Everyone involved in trying to get Brett Kavanaugh confirmed surely wishes donald trump did not say a word about Brett Kavanaugh today. It sounds like what youre saying is there is a situation, there is a scenario under which you would withdraw Brett Kavanaughs nomination, is that correct . If i thought he was guilty of Something Like this, yeah, sure. I want to watch. Hopefully i wont have to do its a replacement because hopefully this is going to go well on thursday. Theyre giving the women a major chance to speak. Now, its possible ill hear that and ill say, hey, im changing my mind. That is possible. We want to give them a chance to speak. Do you think all three should have a chance . Well, whoever is given a chance. Weve delayed it a long time, but theyre going to have a big shot at speaking and making their case. And you know what, i can be persuaded also. Okay, i can always be convinced. Id have to hear it. I can be convinced of anything. What a defense lawyer he would have been. Donald trump couldnt get through his defense of Brett Kavanaugh today without sharply disagreeing with republican senator jeff flake about a point very important to jeff flake. And jeff flake is one of the senators who Brett Kavanaugh needs to survive. Hes one of the senators who donald trump was trying to convince today. But he did some real damage today, donald trump did. Up next, exactly how much damage did donald trump do to Brett Kavanaugh today . vo when bandits stole the lockbox from the wells fargo stagecoach, agent beekman was one step ahead of them. Because he hid his customers gold in a different box. And the bandits, well, they got rocks. We protected your money then and were dedicated to helping protect it today. Like alerting you to certain card activity we find suspicious. If its not your purchase, well help you resolve it. Its a new day at wells fargo. But its a lot like our first day. Moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis was intense. 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Christine blasey ford would be heard by the Judiciary Committee before they vote on the nomination. Heres what senator flake said today followed by what donald trump said today a few hours later. I do not believe that the claim of Sexual Assault is invalid because a 15yearold girl didnt promptly report the assault to authorities. By the way, i only say this, 36 years, no charge, no nothing that happens often. People are going to have to make a decision. 36 years, no charge, all of a sudden the hearings are over and the rumors start coming out. Joining our discussion now form ardepu former deputy chief of staff to harry reed. Theres jeff flake on the senate floor saying a bunch of reasonable things about where we are now and how to consider this evidence. And theres donald trump trying to hold onto jeff flakes vote contradicting nephflake. Yeah, i think if republican senators had their way especially the ones wavering on Brett Kavanaughs nomination they would prefer it if the president leaved the scene entirely in the confirmation fight. Every time he opens his mouth, every time he reminds people how many women he himself has been accused by is not helpful to the cause of confirming Brett Kavanaugh. And dahlia, of course the president could not get through todays press conference without having roy moore come up, which is one of the 500 reasons not to do the press Conference Today. And he said i wasnt happy with roy moore, lets get that straight. And so he was trying to pretend, what, that he didnt endorse roy moore who was accused of child molestation . Yeah, i think his answer was like, well, had to be a republican so i went with the Child Molesting republican. It was a very strange moment. He also deflected a question about rob porter, his former staffer who he defended right to the bitter end. So i think definitely the thru line here is he really does overwhelmingly take the side of the accused over the accuser, and it enerringly is something that trips him up letter. He was very much in favor of sending Brett Kavanaugh and his wife to fox news. That inert view has turned tout to be a disaster and Brett Kavanaugh has made the mistake of telling the Judiciary Committee that he incorporates, that he accepts their incorporation in effect of the fox news interview into his prehearing testimony. Which now risks the possibility of the fox news interview, in effect, being considered under oath, where we know we know he did not tell the truth about his own experience with the drinking age in the state of maryland when he was in high school when he did not have one legal drinking day in high school. Yeah, that interview was a very strange choice. I mean he unprompted seemed to say a lot of things that appear to be pretty easily to demonstrate as lies. And he didnt have to go there, you know. And why he chose to do that will always be a mystery. He also i think might have committed the unpardonable sin in Donald Trumps eyes as appearing bad on television. It was reported one of the reasons he liked Justice Gorsuch so much when he was nominated is because he came across really well on television. Whatever you think of judge kavanaughs kavanaughs answers dure that interview, it didnt come across well and thats something that matters to donald trump a lot. The question today was donald trump a strategist at work . Lets have an accused and admitted Sexual Assaulter get up there and defend Brett Kavanaugh against Sexual Assault charges but at the same time say, well, you know, maybe he did it and maybe ill change my mind. You know, its strange. Its sort of a weird amalgam of deny, deny which we know hes always thought he has to deal with this and at the same time not wanting to make the ladies too mad. It seems on both fronts its an awkward mash up of two messages that are not really salient. They want to say supportive of this but they dont want to offend something over here. And real politicians are doing this all day long. This guy has no idea how to do that on any subject. Right. Jeff flake i think masterfully parodied a lot of talking points today and was also careful to protect the interests of women. This was white house talking points plus is crazy on the side. Thanks for joining our discussion tonight. And when we come back a preview of tomorrows hearing, and we already know what Brett Kavanaugh is going to say about dr. Christine blasey ford. Thats next. And then, more jos began to appear. These techs in a lab. This builder in a hardhat. The welders and electricians who do all of that. The diner staffed up cause they all needed lunch. Teachers. Doctors. Jobs grew a bunch. What started with one job spread all around. 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Other side effects include upper respiratory tract infection and headache. Tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if youre pregnant or planning to be. Otezla. Show more of you. We know what Brett Kavanaugh is going to say tomorrow about dr. Christine blasey fords accusation of Sexual Assault against him. I categorically and unequivocally deny the allegation against me by dr. Ford. I never had any sexual or physical encounter of any kind with dr. Ford. I am not questioning that dr. Ford may have been sexually assaulted by some person in some miss at some time but i have never done that to her or anyone. I am innocent of that charge. That is what Brett Kavanaugh said the first time he was asked about it in a telephone interview with the republican staff of the Senate Judiciary committee. Lisa graves and Adam Gentleson are back with us. Lisa, what are you looking for in tomorrows hearing . Well, i hope that dr. Ford will have a chance tell story fully, both in her Opening Statements and in her answers to the questions. I think the deck is stacked against her in terms of the way the questions have been so limited for Brett Kavanaugh, for them both in some ways with these fiveminute rounds. But i think that one of the things thats going to be clear at the end of this is that dr. Ford has no doubt that Brett Kavanaugh is the man who assaulted her, the young man who put his hand over her mouth and had her fear for her life. This idea that its someone else, that shes mistaken, it had to be some other guy that was the sort of scheme orchestrated by Brett Kavanaughs buddy ed whalen i think will be completely repudiated by dr. Ford, and then youll be faced with a repeated series of denials by Brett Kavanaugh, who has been practicing how to deny what happened with umbrage or with calmness depending on the circumstances. I think at the end of the day the American People are going to be left with a woman who is 100 certain that it was Brett Kavanaugh who attacked her, and thats going to be what the American People are going to hear, i believe. I guess thats going to be the big issue, adam, because Brett Kavanaugh is allowing for the possibility that it is mistaken identity, and that was the early report, the very first conversation that Brett Kavanaugh had with a republican senator. The senator said oh, he says its mistaken identity. And so it will be a matter of how convincing is dr. Ford . Yeah, i think thats right. I think what republican senators really want to be able to do is to when the hearing is over to say she is mistaken or that they give some credence to the idea she was assaulted but say fundamentally they believe judge kavanaugh over her. I think reading her testimony its extremely compelling. Its heartwrenching. And i think what people will see tomorrow is a woman who knows exactly what happened to her, who knows exactly who did it, and i suspect shell be very compelling and shell put republican senators in a very tough spot. Lisa, in a legal setting it usually matters if one witness has never been previously caught in a lie and one witness has repeatedly been caught in a lie. We have video of naug lying in his very first words as a Supreme Court nominee saying that donald trump, who doesnt r, did more research and considered more toright. Donald trumps never read a legal opinion by a judge in his life, as other president s do in this situation a skracreaming outright lie. You have convincingly made the case when you were working for the committee about stolen emails he used when he was no such record for dr. Ford lying in a process like this or lying to this committee. I think while the president saying innocent until proven thats not how it should work on the Senate Judiciary committee. This is not about Brett Kavanaugh going to jail. This is about whether he gets one of the seats on the u. S. Supreme court hes worthy of it. Hes lied about things big and small. As you said, the first words out of his mouth about this nomination when you have a credibility issue like this you have to take into account what hes going ney. Think i you cant give much weight to that denial. It seems that Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, jeff flake are going to have to be able to say after the hearing that settles it, we absolutely do not need an fbi investigation in order for them to support this nomination going forward. Thats right. Thats the place they want to get to in order to say yes. But i thought senator murkowskis comments recently were very interesting because she expressed a much deeper concern about this entire process saying this is about whether a woman is going to be believed that i think demonstrate a deeper level of concern than just sort of something that can be papered over by process. It also raises the question of whether the other accusers who have come forward are going to be asked to testify, whether mark judge will be called to subpoenaed and asked to testify under oath. Its very hard to see folks coming away from this one hearing tomorrow being able to credibly say that this was a thorough process that truly made an effort to get to the bottom of it. 10 00 a. M. We will all be watching. Lisa graves, adam jentleson, thank you very much for joining us tonight. And tonights last word is next. And the last word is con artist. Of good start packaging. We distribute environmentallyfriendly packaging for restaurants. And weve grown substantially. 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