Eastern, msnbc is going to reair both of the parts of my interview with lev parnas again sunday night 10 00 p. M. See you there. Now, its time for the last word where ali velshi is in for lawrence. Good evening, ali. We can undo our mistakes. Rachel, thank you. Well see you sunday night and monday again. And tomorrow. We are seeing one reason why Senate Republicans want to rush an impeachment trial. The material keeps coming and none of it is good for donald trump. At this rate, what will we know by tuesday . Day one of the impeachment trial. Well get to all the new texts, documents, and audio that have just come out this evening. Including new documents related to the House Intelligence CommitteeRanking Member devin nunes. House Intelligence Committee member congressman jim himes will join us. Governor bill weld, who is running for the republican president ial nomination against donald trump is here to put his Republican Party on notice. It is now or never to do their constitutional duty. And if all of that news isnt bad enough for the white house, there are not one but two stunning stories out today from the new book a very stable genius. Which is also on sale on tuesday. Including a new story about just how early nancy pelosi started standing up to President Trump. And just how afraid some in the trump orbit were of her even before she became speaker. But first, weve got breaking news tonight. The House Judiciary Committee has released new impeachment documents against President Trump. The documents contain Text Messages from lev parnas, the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, about the alleged surveillance of former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. The Text Messages include a series of exchanges between robert hyde, a republican congressional candidate in connecticut, and an unknown phone number discussing what appears to be the whereabouts of ambassador yovanovitch. Quote, she has been there since thursday. Never left the embassy. An audio file, which was also released was sent from an unknown account to robert hyde and forwarded to lev parnas. Its confirmed shes in ukraine. The documents also show that lev parnas has frequent communication with derek harvey, an aide to republican congressman devin nunes. Text messages put harvey in contact with parnas throughout the spring of 2019. The very same time parnas was working with giuliani and other Trump Associates to oust ambassador marie yovanovitch. Harvey mentioned the topic of foreign assistance to ukraine in late march 2019. Sending parnas a text message saying, quote, can we get materials . Within just four days or with just four days to go until the start of the Senate Impeachment trial, it remains to be seen how these new documents will impact proceedings. Along with an undisclosed file with even more evidence. Leading our discussion tonight, josh lederman, National Political reporter for nbc news. And msnbc contributor. Jonathan im sorry, josh, lets start with you. You have been doing a lot of the research. Youve been to kyiv as part of your reporting on the story. You have been looking through this this new trove of documents, texts, and audio thats come out tonight. What stands out to you . Yeah. Another night and another document dump showing that as much as we thought that we knew about what happened behind the scenes over the past year or so with ukraine, there is so much more that we did not know and still have yet to uncover. All of that, obviously, ramping up pressure for there to be witnesses, new evidence entered as the impeachment moves into the senate trial. And in these new documents that were released just in the past couple hours, ali, we have two buckets of information that are both pretty troubling. One, as you were just mentioning, has to do with this guy Derrick Harvey. He actually used to work for trump at the white house on iran and some other issues. Now, works for the Top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, devin nunes. And what it shows is that House Republicans on the Intelligence Committee were deeply involved in their own investigation into ukraine matters. And trying to move forward the same kinds of things that President Trump, through Rudy Giuliani and his associates, were. You have all of these conversations between lev parnas and Derrick Harvey trying to actually set up skype interviews with former prosecutors from ukraine who have made allegations about joe biden. Those are the same prosecutors that that Rudy Giuliani ultimately did interview. And the other piece of this being these Text Messages showing that this character, robert hyde, who purportedly had a surveillance operation on ambassador yovanovitch was actually kind of copying and pasting information that he had gotten from another trump supporter. Who he, robert hyde, identified today as robert d. Calloway. Lining up phone numbers and photos, we believe that was the person who provided this information about purported whereabouts of ambassador yovanovitch. This is kind of remarkable. This robert hyde character. Just when you thought youd met all the characters that your brain can handle in this caper, matt miller, guys like this show up. What does tonights document dump tell you, matt . What picture does it paint for you that wasnt already painted . What part of the portrait does it complete . You know, a couple things. First of all, i think it show us that lev parnas, someone who is under indictment for multiple felony counts in new york and has a long history of fraudulent activity in his Business Life is more honest than the leading republican member of the Intelligence Committee. That he was working with devin nunes and nunes staff. And nunes initially pretend he didnt really know parnas at all. And i think, you know, these messages really do corroborate the story that parnas has been telling about how he was working with Rudy Giuliani and others and with devin nunes. And i think the picture, if i could add one thing to what josh said that these messages show is, it really paints a picture of how trump was able to take some of the most unethical and dishonest people from all different spheres of washington, d. C. From inside his administration. From capitol hill. Private attorneys that show up on fox news all the time who he used in this plot that show up in these Text Messages, as well as journalists. For example, john solomon. Able to take all these people and use them in this plot to to to discredit and smear and ultimately remove a u. S. Ambassador. Its the type of thing you might expect to see in a nondemocratic country where there is not really separation of powers. Its not what you expect to see in the United States. Josh josh, let me ask you about some reporting from our Investigative Reporter tom winter. Talking about some of this material that was handed over that came from the fbi and the Southern District of new york. The House Judiciary Committee released excerpts they say are from lev parnass electronic calendar. I dont know that weve been able to verify any of the information in here. But the calendar includes excerpts of an appointment for breakfast with President Trump in new york city on september 26th, 2019. It gives a time. This is it on the screen. Its very hard to read. Gives a time of 12 to 1 00 p. M. But that is in universal time, which would be 7 00 a. M. Eastern at the time. Thats the fbi typically when they recover data from a phone, it comes out in universal time. So you have to make that translation. What does that mean to us . Does that mean that the president and and lev parnas might have had breakfast together . We dont know if they actually went ahead and had that breakfast. But it does appear from these documents that at least the breakfast was scheduled. And it really raises the question, ali, of how is it possible that as President Trump has continued to say, including today, that he didnt know lev parnas . You dont usually schedule breakfast with somebody that you dont know. And the evidence has continued to pile up. Be it the multiple photographs, some of which youre looking at right now, that show parnas meeting with the president on several occasions. As well as parnass comments to Rachel Maddow last night saying that he had been at a lot of small events, round tables, with the president. That trump knew exactly who he was. Its really calling into question the president s attempts to try to distance himself from lev parnas and these other characters by suggesting that, you know, it might have been a photo at a fundraiser but he didnt know who they were. Matt miller, what do you make of lev parnass degree of cooperation . The length of the interview with rachel . The idea that hes talking a lot. Obviously, this is a guy in trouble who is trying to get himself into less trouble. But the bottom line is he does seem to have come with receipts and texts and recordings and photographs and and things that, in theory, could be corroborated because hes stating dates and times and places. Im very much glad hes talking to Rachel Maddow because he is shedding a lot of new light on this scandal. But with all due respect, hes talking to the wrong people. I suspect what hes after you know, people who come under indictment, if you ever know anyone whos been indicted, they feel just beaten down. They feel isolated. They feel like all the worlds turned against them. And i suspect hes trying to clear his name a little bit in the only form he feels like he can right now. But what he really ought to be doing is talking to the Southern District of new york. He probably wants to come in and talk to them all about this scandal and all about what he did with Rudy Giuliani and we know the department of justice said they dont want to investigate that. And what sdny wants him to talk about are the actions for which hes under indictment. And i suspect thats where the disconnect is. As important as the information hes been able to share has been for, i think, for house prosecutors. I think well see it come up in the senate trial and its important for shedding light on the president s misconduct, i dont know that its going to do a lot to help his legal case. He really ought to be talking to the prosecutors that indicted him. Josh, talk to me about this person you said robert hyde was getting his information from. Yeah. Anthony calloway. So we spoke to a friend of his who said that hes belgian. He spends a lot of time in belgium, which explains why the phone number is a belgian phone number. And if you look at his online social media, its just replete with protrump slogans, photographs of him at all kinds of trump events and other types of comments that make clear that he is someone whose identity is largely wrapped up around support for the president and make America Great again. And you see this as kind of a pattern with a lot of these folks, including robert hyde himself, where they ingratiate themselves in trumps orbit by donating, showing up to these events, and trying to draw proximity to the president and his aides. Thank you for your continued reporting on it. Josh lederman and matt miller. Joining us now is democratic congressman of connecticut of the he is a member of the House Intelligence Committee. Sir, is your head spinning from the last 72 hours of of information that has come to light . That i think, largely, corroborates a lot of the information you already had but its just more detail. More flesh on the bones, if you will. Yeah. It it does. And ive sort of reflecting on this, ali. You know, its its a revelation today or a revelation a week. I mean, you know, four weeks ago or so that sondland came before us and told told the story only because he was forced to of the phone call that he had with the president in which the president asked him about the investigation and theres just revelation after revelation. But it gets mixed up in all these characters like rob hyde and all these sort of colorful characters that we sort of lose the line. And the line that we cant lose here, ali, is that just every single fact every single fact and believe me im acquainted with all of them having been on the investigation from the beginning points to some really serious misbehavior that the senate cannot possibly say we have all the facts. Without talking to mike pompeo, without talking to the chief of staff, without talking to Rudy Giuliani, if the senate says, gosh, weve heard enough. We dont need to talk to those people. It will be one of the most irresponsible moments in American History because as you point out every single day, there is new and incriminating evidence. But the senators are not blind to this information. Whether or not they hear it in the senate, whether or not its these these witnesses are called or the documents are subpoenaed. The senate is not blind to the conversation that is going on around us, which indicate that the president has been involved in some serious misdeeds. At what point does the chicken come home to roost . At what point do they have to say we cannot avoid this any longer . Well, i mean, its theres a really disappointing answer to that question that just reflects the extent to which the country has become tribal in its politics. But more importantly than that, the extent to which donald trump and the Republican Party have really become a cult. You know, youre going to hear about the same three or four senators who are in, you know, nontrumpy areas who will occasionally show flashes of impartiality. But every other senator is going to consider the fact that if they turn against donald trump, chiefly amongst them by the way, mitch mcconnell, who is up for reelection in november, if they turn against donald trump regardless of the fact, you know, we go back to shooting somebody an 5th avenue and there being no consequences. If they turn against donald trump, they lose a primary. And very, very sadly, despite the overwhelming evidence and, ali, youve been watching this, too. You know at no point really have the republicans engaged with the body of evidence. What they do is they say, well, adam schiff is a bad guy. The government accounting officer, which said yesterday said that the administration broke the law. Well, the government accounting office, it probably has democrats in it. I mean, its just sadly, its reflective of the fact that the republicans now are completely enthrall almost in a religious way to donald trump. Lev parnas called it a cult. When you say its tribal, i mean, tribes change their leaders. This doesnt do away with the tribe of republicans to say that donald trump has done things incorrectly. But lets talk about devin nunes for a second because you were just talking about adam schiff. What do you make of this communication that puts lev parnas in proximity to devin nunes . Sadly, its not a surprise. You know, and and ive ive watched devin nunes since the day that jim comey came and announced the investigation into the president. From that moment on, devin nunes became attorney, advocate, private investigator, on behalf of the president. And this goes way back to when devin nunes was trying to run a sort of oneman investigative campaign of trying to hunt down the steele dossier sources and this sort of thing. And big picture here, you know, and look, he embarrassed himself. I mean, as you know a couple weeks ago when he was asked about this, he denied really having any memory of lev parnas. It turns out, of course, he did. He had an eightminute conversation with the guy. So hes damaged his own credibility. And what hes done to the country is rather than being what the constitution would have him be, which is a check and a balance on the president , he of course has become an advocate and a fighter for the president. And thats thats a huge problem and further evidence of the extent to which the Republican Party has become a cult in support of donald trump. Lets see what happens in the next few weeks, congressman. Whether or not this this piling on of evidence moves anybody to do the thing that the constitution calls upon them to do. Congressman, good to see you. Thank you for joining me. Thank you, ali. Congressman jim himes of connecticut. Some republican senators are no doubt considering this weekend how to proceed. This is a time of choosing. Republican president ial candidate bill weld joins us next. Candidate bill weld joins s next did you know you can get unlimited talk and text on americas best 4g lte networks for 20 . Unlimited talk . I like that because on sundays you know i gotta talk to mama, then on. This is your wakeup call, people. The new tracfone wireless. Now youre in control. The new tracfone wireless. Some things are too important to do yourself. Get customized security with 24 7 monitoring from xfinity home. Awarded the best professionally installed system by cnet. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Call, click or visit a store today. The impeachment of donald trump is the moment of truth for republican senators. The constitution asks them to put their country, the rule of law, and the weight of the evidence ahead of their Political Party or ambitions. And history, as it is being written right now, is Holding Republican senators accountable. Accountable to the oath they signed into history yesterday. Promising to do impartial justice. Do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of donald john trump, president of the United States, now pending, you will do impartial justice according to the constitution and laws, so help you god . The question, which the world will soon have an answer to, is whether republican senators will render that oath meaningless by ignoring overwhelming evidence that donald trump has done wrong. Or will they, quote, do impartial justice . By considering the totality of the evidence that they need to fulfill their constitutional jury constitutional duty as impartial jurors. That totality of records and documents now include information emerging in the last 72 hours, including just tonight, from documents handed over by this man. Lev parnas. The indicted associate of the president s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. Republican senators now know that a nonpartisan, federal Watchdog Agency concluded that the Trump Administration broke the law in withholding congressionally approved aid to ukraine. He just wasnt allowed to do that. And evidence indicates that people inside the white house knew that in realtime. Republican senators also have heard directly from lev parnas in his astonishing interviews with Rachel Maddow. President trump knew exactly what was going on. He was aware of all of my movements. He i wouldnt do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president. The president was aware that you and mr. Giuliani were working on this effort in ukraine to basically try to hurt joe bidens political career. He was he knew about that. Yeah, it was all about joe biden. Hunter biden. It was never about corruption. These revelations show that the American Public does not have the full truth about the extent to which President Trump abused his power. As even more evidence and reporting could emerge, will republican senators give that truth the full consideration that it deserves in the senate . Or will they empower and enable President Trump by giving him an acquittal without considering the necessary documents and witnesses . Republican senators ought to consider this. What will donald trump do after being vindicated . When he feels he has escaped impeachment unscathed. Remember the last time donald trump declared victory against our nations checks and balances . Special Counsel Robert Mueller had just testified before congress about russias interference in the 2016 election. The day after muellers testimony, President Trump picked up the phone and asked the newly elected ukrainian president to meddle in our upcoming election by telling him to, quote, do us a favor, though. And to look into joe biden and his son hunter. Joining me now, bill weld, former republican governor of massachusetts. He is running for the republican president ial nomination against President Trump. And he has tweeted yesterday. Governor, good to see you. You tweeted yesterday, worth noting that the oath administered to our senators by chief Justice Roberts requires fealty to the constitution and laws. It says nothing about loyalty to a Political Party or to donald trump. Your views are clear on this, bill weld. But this is the party you are fighting to try to save. Well, ali, i think the point is that the constitution requires the senators to hold a trial by jury in all cases of impeachment. And in order to have a trial, you need evidence. A charge is not evidence. Its not even admissible as evidence. The charge is the thing you have to prove. And when i worked on the nixon impeachment, i had to read the transcript of all cases of impeachment in the senate. And there was always witnesses. They never said, oh, thank you, managers, for coming over with your charge. We dont want to hear any witnesses. We vote to acquit the accused in this case. Theres a word for that and it would be coverup. Governor, you know, lev parnas has described the the the the orbit around donald trump as a cult. Jim himes and i were just speaking about people are tribal politically. But none of this speaks to who you are as a republican. Why are there not more republicans like you out there saying were republicans, were not democrats, were not changing our views to be democrats. But theres something wrong with the way this guy has acted according to our constitution. Well, i think theres at least half a dozen republicans who are going to be tempted to follow follow the evidence. But the vast majority, so far, have not given any indication of that. Their defense seems to be silence. And as ive said in the past, i think if they stick with that, theres going to be a blood bath in the 2020 election. And the republicans will suffer heavy losses in the senate and lose control of the senate and may not be, in time, recognizable as the same party. I think theyre playing a very risky game. What does it do for them, sir . Because they are theyre elected officials, in some cases, in many cases. Why is that worth more than doing the right thing . Well, i think its an obsession with being reelected. And i dont understand that having been the National Chair of of term limits when i was in office. But its part of the poisonous atmosphere in washington that we need to get rid of. Theres just too much hyper partisanhood and no cooperation between the two parties. And, you know, i see state capitals like boston where i was governor for two terms. We absolutely did everything together and everyone felt much better about it. And they felt much better about the government and thats exactly what we need in washington, d. C. And if these senators sit on their hands and say we dont want to hear any evidence, i mean, thatll be a new low for washington, d. C. Youre not entirely alone in the wilderness. You and i sometimes talk about what it feels like to be bill weld in a in a Republican Party thats shutting you out of a lot of primaries. But there is a group called republicans for the rule of law. And they are going to air some ads on fox and friends next week. Lets listen to what one of them says. This is ambassador john bolton. He was National Security advisor to President Trump. He was in all the meetings in which the president s National Security team discussed withholding aid from ukraine in exchange for announcing investigations into the bidens. Now, ambassador bolton has agreed to testify before congress. Hes willing to do his duty to tell the truth. Are Senate Republicans willing to do their duty to listen . And it has some Senate Republicans in that image who are the ones who are, as you said, the half a dozen or so who might be susceptible to the message. Is that message effective . Well, yeah, i think so. Ill tell you, i encountered all the time. I may not encounter it too much in the halls of the republicans in the senate and the house in washington. But out in the field, i mean, my wife and i were just in iowa for five days last week. Were in New Hampshire three or four days most weeks. And people say, you know, cant you change whats going on in washington . Cant you get rid of this guy . They dont even want to say his name. Theyre just exhausted. And they want to move past all this. And i think for the republicans to sit on it and say were going to preserve the status quo by simply smothering anything that might suggest we should move on. I think thats a recipe for disaster for the Republican Party. Governor, good to talk to you. Thank you for joining us. Republican president ial candidate, bill weld. Coming up, a provocative new book about our selfdescribed stable genius in the white house provides the full picture of what donald trump did and said to make former secretary of state Rex Tillerson describe him as an effing moron. Thats next. music playing this is the first day of my life i was born right in the doorway now i dont know where i am, i dont know where ive been but i know where i wanna go secretary of state Rex Tillerson reportedly called donald trump an effing moron . Well, today excerpts from the new book a very stable genius reveals stunning new details from the briefing between trump and his generals that prompted Rex Tillerson to say that. The book recounts how six months into his presidency, Rex Tillerson, along with the secretary of defense jim mattis and the director of the economic counsel gary cohen, were concerned by trumps lag of lack of knowledge of history and even basic geography. Key alliances, trade deals, and strategic deployment of u. S. Troops. They used visual aids, maps, charts, even dollar signs to get his attention. Phillip rucker writes in the book, quote, trump appeared peeved by the school house vibe but also allergic to the dynamic of his advisors talking at him. His ricochetting Attention Span led him to repeatedly interrupt the lesson. Trump raged about how the United States was being ripped off when certain words like base or nato were mentioned. He fumed about wanting to get out of the Iran Nuclear Agreement before, quote, trump unleashed his disdain, calling afghanistan a, quote, loser war. That phrase hung in the car and disgusted not only the military leaders at the table but also the men and women in uniform sitting along the back wall. You are all losers. I wouldnt go to war with you people, trump told the assembled brass. Addressing the room, the commander in chief barked, youre a bunch of dopes and babies. Youre a bunch of dopes and babies. Joining us now, zerlina maxwell, msnbc political analyst. Jennifer rubin, opinion writer at the Washington Post and msnbc contributor. Zerlina, we are getting a little more information about what led a guy of great composure like Rex Tillerson to say the kind of thing that we dont generally say in in in company about donald trump. And and the book just seems to have example after example of the type of thing that would cause the people around donald trump at the time to be outraged. Yeah. The book is particularly disturbing. The excerpts that are out today are terrifying. You have donald trump, seemingly, completely illequipped to do the job as president. And one of the things thats really frustrating about this is the fact that, you know, we he ran against somebody who was prepared to be president on day one, who did have the experience. And we picked the businessman who doesnt have any experience. So i think, you know, as were heading into the next election, i think thats a question the American People should be thinking about. Do they want a president who is prepared to take on these really tough challenges . When you have so many Foreign Policy hotspots in the world. And he has no understanding of any of the underlying policy or any of the strategy that would go into making lifeanddeath decisions. Jennifer, one of our producers pointed out today that we are heading into this election. And there are examples in this book that would provide cover to some of Donald Trumps former cabinet secretaries and others to come out and tell the American Public that they cannot vote for this man. That he is dangerous to to National Security. And yet, we havent really seen that happen. Thats exactly right. It is, i think, great moral cowardice, frankly, that these people are sort of hiding in the shadows. That you will get, occasionally, in daily news reports, you know, a former official. Or you get a scene that is painted obviously by these very same people who were in the room. But theyre unwilling to go on record for the protection of the country, for the protection of the republic, for the protection of the troops. There is one interesting little tidbit in there where tillerson watches, essentially, mattis just be very passive in front of trump. And he realizes this guys a military man. Hes never going to buck the president. Well, first of all, thats an indictment of putting military people in the cabinet because civilian leaders are supposed to speak up when they think something is going wrong. But its also very telling about mattis. And people keep waiting for him to be the hero. Waiting for him to come forward and tell us, you know, some deep, dark secret. But i dont think these people are ever gonna do it. And i think the lesson here is that we need to pick president s not because we think that theyll have smart people around him. But that we pick smart president s because they get rid of the smart people around him or they ignore him. You know, you paraphrased that section of the book well. I want to read it because i think it deserves being read to our audience. Tillerson in particular was stunned by trumps diatribe. For too many minutes, others in the room noticed he had been staring straight, dumb founded at mattis, who was speechless. His head bowed down toward the table. Tillerson thought to himself, gosh darn it, jim, say something. Why arent you saying something . But as he would later tell close aides, tillerson realized in that moment that mattis but genetically a marine, unable to talk back to his commander in chief, no matter what nonsense came out of his mouth. Zerlina, we we hoped in those days that these people were performing a Public Service because the nations interests were at heart. And that they were the adults in the room. We used to use that term, if you recall. What does it tell you that when counted on to to speak, they didnt. And now, when they are, theyre still not speaking. Its terrifying. And i think its an ongoing National Security threat. Donald trump is a bully and i think one of the things that were learning is that you dont have a lot of folks in this administration that are willing to stand up to the bully in the room. And unfortunately, in this case, its the president who has all of the power that goes along with his office. But you dont you wouldnt even allow somebody who has this level of experience and this history of behavior and lack of experience be the assistant manager at a starbucks. I dont understand why were in a moment where we are allowing this person to continue on as the president of the United States with the Nuclear Launch codes. And i think that, you know, when i first started mentioning the launch codes in the first year of the administration, people on set would be like youre overreacting. Youre youre going too far. But i think that those are the stakes that were talking about. And until we actually grasp just how much danger we are in, as long as donald trump is in charge, i think its going to be a very anxietyinducing year here as we head into this election that hopefully will result in the American People making a different choice. In this moment of truth because thats where we are, this next week is going to be a moment of truth. Republican members of the senate. But republicans in general are going to have to send the message that their fealty is to their constitution and their country rather than their party. The greatest cost that you have pointed out, many times in your writing and on this show, the greatest cost to republicans who do the right thing in coming weeks and months will be losing their seat. Yeah. This is you know, they dont go to, you know, senator jail for saying something out of school. They dont suffer great financial ruin. Many of these people are wealthy or they have jobs in the private sector. The only thing that might happen to them is that they might lose their seat. But for so many of these people, thats the only thing that matters. Their entire sense of selfworth, their place in society, all of their ego stems from holding on to that seat. And so they will do anything. They will humiliate themselves. They will knowingly avoid, willfully avoid, evidence of gross misconduct. They will say things they know are patently untrue because they so badly want to hang on to power. And this is ravenous. This is cowardice. And i think voters have got to be able to say to these people, listen, we expect you to, at some point, buck your party. Buck your own personal interest and do whats right. And the only remedy for this is at the ballot box. And, you know, youre seeing a lot it came out yesterday in the Morning Consult polls. All of the senators who are up for reelection, none of them have a Approval Rating thats over 45 . These people are very unpopular already. So i dont know how they think theyre going to kind of get away with this and theyre going to pretend that they dont know whats going on. Or theyre going to pretend theres not enough evidence or theyre going to hide from the evidence. 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Such as by quoting the Founding Fathers or the bible. Instead, the new president began with a lie. You know, i won the popular vote. He claimed that there had been widespread fraud with three to five million illegal votes for clinton. Pelosi interjected, well, mr. President , thats not true, she said. Theres no evidence to support what you just said. And if were going to work together, we have to stipulate to a certain set of facts. End quote. According to the book, the white house chief strategist at the time, steve bannon, whispered to his colleagues, quote, shes gonna get us. Total assassin. Shes an assassin. Zerlina maxwell and Jennifer Rubin are back with us. Zerlina, this is a constantly interesting topic. Nancy pelosi standing up to and being a thorn in the side of the president. What we didnt know, until this book, is how early that started. Oh, i have its not surprising to me at all. Ive interviewed nancy pelosi a few times in my career. And every single time, im always impressed with how tough she is. She is no nonsense. She literally does not flinch. One time, i asked her, you know, how does she deal with all the criticism and hatred she receives from the right wing . And she leaned in and basically said i do not care. Im just doing my job. And so i think when youre focused on what youre trying to achieve for the Democratic Caucus and when youre implementing your strategy and executing it properly, i dont think that you do flinch. Especially, when youre up against an adversary who has no idea what they are doing. And donald trump is completely out of his depth in this particular position. And shes somebody who has such years of experience and successes in different aspects of leadership throughout the house and also in her former tenure as speaker where she never lost a floor vote. So shes just somebody who is in on a different level than donald trump. And im not surprised it started immediately in the administration. Jen, your take . Yeah. I think she has two superpowers over donald trump. First of all, she treats him like a spoiled child. I think her experience as a mother and a grandmother is absolutely relevant here. She doesnt put up with temper tantrums. She calls him out when he is projecting, as she often does. She tells him to basically be quiet or youre not telling the truth. Shes fearless in that regard. And her other superpower is that she is absolutely exquisitely in touch with her caucus. She knows what they need. She knows what parts of her caucus need some help. What others dont. She doesnt get too far out ahead or too far behind. The way she has slowly brought them all together to a degree of unanimity we thought was probably impossible a year ago. This was masterful. This was a maestro. A symphony conductor really bringing the orchestra along. 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Fred, in a normal world, these two deals, if they really were deals, and theyre not necessarily the deals we think they are, but two major trade deals like that would be all wed be talking about. For a lucky president , that might be all you talk about for a year. Right. Youre absolutely right. But not in this case. Because these deals are not exactly what the president represents them to be. The china deal in the first place is more of a celebration of a fire thats been extinguished that you set while playing with matches next to the curtains. You said it perfectly. Exactly. You set a fire. You put it out, and you see, see how good i am . I put the fire out. People have called this a truce, a ceasefire. And part of the problem is President Trump is obsessed with trade deficits, bilateral trade deficits. You cannot find the only economist who believes in that is Peter Navarro in the white house. So thats part of the problem. Who can he argue is better off as a result of where we are today than before he started this . He definitely captured a sentiment across america of people who feel that they have been theyve been done wrongly by these trade deals. Theres some legitimacy and some validity to that, but he hasnt actually improved the stage for them. No. He pictures americans as sort of crouching victims, and hes going to save everybody. And he has set that up, and thats how his presidency is premised on. So he sets that up, and says, therefore, im the hero. I took care of everything for you. Im dad. Whos better off because of Donald Trumps china deal . Well, in some ways listen, not fighting, not having an active cold war is better than having one. So it is better that we have ceased this nonsense that weve gone through for the last two years. Its been very damaging, damaging to farmers, damaging to workers, damaging to our status in the world. And looking at america as someone who is providing leadership globally. And damaging even to the one constituency that has benefited from trade for the last 50 or 60 years and that is consumers. This year weve even seen damage to that. Right, consumers are damaged. And the real people he seems to worry about are farmers, and frankly im not sure these farmers are going to want to try to sell all those goods to china for one or two years, and then what . And then theyre going to lose that sale again. So whether theyre going to really plant more fields and to try and do all that to capture the market for a year or two, its not clear to me that china will put our American Farmers will put all their quote, unquote, soybeans in one basket and sell them to the chinese. Well, we learned that lesson because we were selling Something Like twothirds of our soybeans to china when this trade deal started. China started nurturing relationships with other countries that could provide them with large quantities of soybeans. And a lot of farmers ive spoken to, soybeans farmers in particular, who say, were not expecting to get all that market back anyway. Right. And you have to remember theres been this horrible about the pigs in china where almost 50 of the pigs in china have died from this horrible virus. So their need for soybeans and animal feed is drastically reduced right now. So that is another question hanging over this deal. Does he get rewarded for this because he talks a lot about the fact that the stock market is at record highs and unemployments very low. Hes tying it all together like hes this remarkable economic success. Well, i think, listen, people like a little more stability. So this is more stable than more threats of tariffs and more instability that hes been fostering and festering in the Global Economy for a long time. So in some ways, yes, i think the market is trying to say we need a little more stability. China, i think, needs more stability more than anything because the uncertainty that the tariffs have placed has really put them at a great risk. Fred, good to see you again. Thank you so much. Fred hochberg joining us tonight. That is tonights last word. Ill ali velshi. The 11th hour with brian tonight new evidence from the phone and files of lev parnas, rudys former righthand man, who says he was carrying out the president s shadow Foreign Policy in ukraine. More photos with trumps inner circle and communications with a top house republican. More messages about spying on our own ambassador in ukraine. Plus the president turns to the wayback machine to pick his television lawyers. Why the tangled past of Kenneth Starr and Alan Dershowitz could create new problems for trumps defense. And the words that our top National Security officials have kept secret for years. All of it as the 11th hour gets under way on this friday night