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Hearing the case while at the hospital, doing things that i couldnt have done 20 years ago. Yeah, seriously. I mean, lets be honest, she could bench press either one of us. Oh, ive lost sound from rachel. Does rachel have sound from me . Oh. Bye. I hear your laugh. All i wanted to hear was your laugh. That was great. Thank you. Lost a little rachel sound there but i got the lovaugh. Thats all that matters. How long did you have to wait to get the food you ate today . Did you have it delivered to your home . Did you have to wait in line at the Grocery Store . How long doid you have to wait . Did you have trouble paying. The daily lines for food banks are two and three miles long. Thats how long you have to wait for food in this country now and somepla places have seen longer lines than that. Beto orourke will join us in this hour. And we will end the hour tonight with some very special words of wisdom from Gabriel Garcia marquez, the noble in literature that wrote 100 years of solitude and love in the time of color. His son, the film director rod rego garcia shared wisdom in a beautifully written piece in the New York Times, one of the two most important things ive read today. Ill bring you that at the end of the hour with the other most important thing that ive read today which was written by 25yearold chase beach who sees something now on her neighborhood walks that most if not all of us have been missing. And it is very important. And if you stick around to the end of the show, youre going to learn something profound as i did today when i read chases writing. No president has flipflopped more than donald trump. Beginning with mexico will pay for the wall to years of flipflopping that has left the most selfcontradictory president in history trying to spin his own spin during the coronavirus pandemic. He has gone from predicting zero deaths from coronavirus in the United States to 100,000 deaths in the United States. And after 24 hours of watching how badly his decision to end the White House Coronavirus task force played on television, which is the only thing that accounts for donald trump, today donald trump said this. I felt we could wind it down sooner but i had no idea how popular the task force is until actually yesterday when i started talking about winding it down. Hes like the president of a failing tv network that cancels a show and then hears some protests from the audience and decides to renew the show. For donald trump, the Coronavirus Task force has always been about the tv show that he was able to produce for a couple hours every day in the White House Press briefing room. When donald trump cancelled the tv show when the worst possible thing that could have happened on that tv show happened. And donald trump said the stupidest thing anyone in america has been caught saying about the coronavirus. And those are the words that will mark Donald Trumps place in history, the words that got that tv show cancelled. Donald trumps name will be forever matched with those words indelibly etched in americas memory the way we remember Abraham Lincoln saying a house divided against itself cannot stand and roosevelt saying the only thing we have to fear is fear itself and kennedy saying ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country and ive just recited them from memory but no one will be able to recite the famous trump quote from memory because in ccoher rans is difficult. When kids taking the sats 100 years from now come upon this quote, they will have no trouble identifying the president who said it. Then i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do Something Like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So youre going to have to use medical doctors but it sounds interesting to me. So well see. The whole concept of the light the way it goes in one minute, thats pretty powerful. Yeah, thats pretty powerful. You know how it feels to be in a foreign country where you dont speak the language and no one speaks your language . Thats the way donald trump feels all day, all day, all the time. Donald trump knows that whenever hes talking about anything other than golf and the leading modelling agencies in new york city in the 1980s, he has no idea what hes talking about. And since donald trump is firmly opposed to doing any work that could replace his ignorance with knowledge, he knows that that could happen again in the White House Briefing roomment that. Thats why he cancelled the show and we criticized him for cancelling the show, today he sang something else. Nobody knows what will happen next with the Coronavirus Task force, least of all donald trump because hes at the mercy of his moods. He does not control his moods and so the task force might continue as a tv show. It might not continue as a tv show. It might continue as a disorganized group of people who collect information about the pandemic and share some of it with the public. We dont know. And donald trump doesnt know. Because donald trump doesnt know what his mood is going to be tomorrow or the next day or the next day. Thats why we will continue to bring you Health Care Professionals and policy experts to share with you the latest best information about the pandemic every night. You cannot expect the white house to do that for you. They wont. A troubling new report in the New York Times indicates that coronavirus could pose a danger to children in a way not previously recognized. Reporting on the experience in a Long Island Hospital for children, the times says in the past two days alone, the hospital Cohen Childrens Medical Center admitted five critically ill patients, ages 2 to 5 that somehow appears to be linked to covid19, the disease caused by coronavirus. In total, about 25 similarly ill children have been admitted there in recent weeks with symptoms ranging from reddened tongues to enlarged coronary arties, no solid data yet exists about how many children in the United States have fallen ill with what doctors are calling pediatric multi system inflammatory syndrome. This is really only a disease that has been clear for two weeks now so there is so much were trying to learn about this. The chief of pediatric Critical Care dr. James snider said in an interview on tuesday. Nathaniel has produced two important paragraphs for the New York Times that depict what the coronavirus curve looks like in america. First, there is this curve showing the coronavirus for the entire United States, which appears to be at a plateau that might be headed down. But thats mostly because the numbers are going down in the epicenter of new york. Here is what the curve looks like in the rest of the United States with new york removed from the calculations, just removing new york city, changes that curve. The National Trend is still increasing in cases of coronavirus. Michael joined us on this program many times. Hes the director for the center of disease and infectious control. He describes what those graphs mean this way. Its not a leveling off, its a painful hand off. New york is handing off the problem to the rest of the country as new yorks numbers continue to go down. The United States now has 1,234,677 reported diagnosed cases of coronavirus, and the United States now has 73,863 officially reported deaths from coronavirus. Pete is a Critical Care nurse at the Cook County Health in chicago. I keep coming back because the patients need us. But the biggest thing is the patients who need us need us healthy for them because if we get sick, who is going to be here for you . The biggest concern for the public is, you next reopening cities and getting stuff moving, which would be great for all of us including me. I want to be able to go out to dinner and do something, but unfortunately, we cant right now. We really have to get this virus under control to prevent it from spreading out even further than what it has. Leading off our discussion tonight is ron cleklain that sed during the Obama Administration and his cohost of the pod cast epidemic and dr. Kass, the medical contributor of yahoo news. The Coronavirus Task force, is there anyway to guess if its still working and will make a public appearance again and what they will be allowed to say . Lawrence, the problem is its never really worked. Its been more reality show than reality and thats why were in the mess were in. Look, the virus is a disease but the response is a policy response. And that response has been wholly inadequate in the United States. Its why we lead the world in cases. Its why we lead the world in deaths. Were 5 of the worlds population but a third of the worlds cases, and that failure of the White House Task force is what drives us. President trump is focused on this as a tv show and the tv show at one point in time had good ratings and now bad episodes. As a tv producer, hes struggling what to do but as president , he should be focused on how we fix this response, we get testing, we get our Health Care Workers protected, we bend the curve down and we continue to practice social distancing and by focussing on the tv elements of it, there is another distraction from the hard work that isnt getting done. Dr. Kass, i want to begin tonight with this new reporting about how coronavirus might be affecting children. Have you seen any of these cases or have they been reported to you in your practice in new york . Yeah, so these cases are being seen in new york and at the hospital i work at. Friends of mine who work in the pediatric e. R. And Pediatric Hospital have been seeing them. It mirrors similar to adults but we dont know much about it, which i think highlights the larger picture. We dont know a lot about what this virus is doing to anybody. We dont know what the longterm effects are. If this is actually something that p hahappens after you reco and not part of the active infection, that like shows us how much more we need to stay home and learn more about this virus before we just declare that weve, you know, mission accomplished. Which seems to be the message coming out of the administrat n administration. So doctor, what do we say to parents now . They were worried enough and parents had a right based on Public Information to be relatively relaxed about the kids, especially Elementary School aged kids. This story says we really have to Pay Attention when kids that age have any kind of symptoms. So i think that this story and reporting needs to be put into context, which is still very, very rare to see these things at all in children. It much more common for a child with a fever and abdominal pain to have appendicitis, either should be evaluated by your doctor or e. R. Our Emergency Departments are open. Were ready, willing and able to take care of all the patients that need us, not just those with the coronavirus. So if youre concerned about your child, call your pediatrician, call a telemedicine visit or go to the e. R. Doctor, quickly, how long has that been the case . Its funny to hear you say our Emergency Rooms are open and open to anyone with a complaint, you dont have to come in with coronavirus, im not sure when new york city crossed that line where you could say that. So i think that that happened, i would say, about a week or two ago we said we know you stayed home to help us take dare of t care of the coronavirus patients but we want the patients that need to be in the e. R. In. The best way to figure that out is call your doctor, we will tell you to go to the e. R. If you need to be there. We continue to take care of the patients with coronavirus and those having the other syndromes and symptoms staying away from the e. R. Before this. Ron klain. You show the picture with new york city in and it take it out and the country looks like it in much more trouble than it does with declining numbers from new york city. That seems to me to be what you might expect in the behavior of a pandemic like this. Yeah, i mean, i think ive said several times on your show, i think that we have this image from early on in the epidemic that the curve of this disease would be some kind of figure you saw in High School Geometry that went up smoothly and came down smoothly. In the history of epidemics is different. They go up quickly and come down very slowly. Theyre steep on the rise and flat on the decline. Thats what were seeing. In new york where they are making progress and the number of cases is down, its still more flat than down and the rest of the country is still going up and thats the most important point here, lawrence. I understand this has gone on for a long time in peoples minds but were in the craziest circumstance you can imagine, which is not only were reopening as in many places as the disease is getting worse. I mean, the lax white house guidelines said we should see 14 days of decline in a jurisdiction before it reopened, we have places reopening where the disease is going up, not down, let alone down for 14 days. That means that line thats still going up on the chart will continue to go up in more and more places. Ron, are you surprised that no one involved with the White House Coronavirus task force has come out and said these places are violating our guidelines by reopening . Yeah, lawrence, i think its stunning. I mean, the dr. Fauci and dr. Birx stood in the White House Briefing room and said on april 16th, the first step before reopening should be 14 days of decline in jurisdiction. I didnt think that was stock enough. Lets take that standard as it is to allow places to reopen and not to really vigorously stomp your feet about it where the low standard isnt even met seems like something the white house should be on top of. Instead, the president is cheering on places opening in contravention of his own white houses policy. I mean, thats a level of disconnect. I think just impossible to understand. And ron, with my experience inside government, tell me if it worked this way in a situation like this. I assume the experts asked for four weeks and the politicians gave them two weeks in the guidelines, that that guideline two week was a compromise to begin with. I guess we lost rons connection. Well have to leave it there. Dr. Dara kass ex ron klain, thank you for starting us off. When we come back, beto orourke will join us. Texas is setting records for the number of cars in line for texas food banks. 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Stream live tv, on demand shows and movies, even your dvr recordings. Download the Xfinity Stream app today to stream the entertainment you love. It is very hard to prioritize needs in a crisis like this pandemic. If you had to choose tonight between getting enough food to feed your family or getting tested for coronavirus, what would you choose . Its an impossible choice of course that no one should ever have to make but it is also a choice that we have to make in the way we report on this pandemic. We have a medical crisis. We have an employment crisis. We have a rent crisis. We have a food crisis. And others all happening at the same time and we have spent more time talking about the medical crisis than all of the other aspects of this crisis combined. Which might be the right balance. But if your problem tonight is youre hungry and your family is hungry and you cannot afford food then there is nothing more important than that. The food crisis needs a voice. It needs someone who can get our attention and keep our attention and make that crisis real to people who arent experiencing it every day, to people who are just worried about their own health and safety. El pasos former congressman beto orourke watched the lines at the food bank stretch two and three mile ts long. He knows the people. Joins us to speak is beto orourke representing el paso, texas and the founder of powered by the people, a Political Group to support Texas Democrats in the 2020 electionment be. Beto orourke, tell us what youre seeing in those lines unlike anything weve seen before. Lawrence, it is absolutely heartbreaking. The lines in el paso, which is where i live stretch two to three miles long every single day. And in those lines are people who have never before needed Food Assistance or been food insecure. In those lanes are the newly unemployed but also in those lines i often see nurses in scrubs who have just gotten off work perhaps, their wife or husband lost their job in this Economic Contraction and on one salary alone they cant feed themselves. I see people in beat up trucks and nice cars. This economic down turn and food ensecurity spared almost no one. The ceo of the food bank was talking to a cashier at walgreens where the starting pay is 10 an hour and told her she ran the food bank and the cashier almost broke down in tears saying you mean there is a place i can go to for food. Nearly one out of every five moms in this country who has Young Children report their kids are not getting enough to eat. That is three times the level that we saw in 2008 in the worst of that recession and crisis. So these are food insecurities and demand we havent seen since perhaps the great depression. How do you you could come on this program any time you want and talk about anything you want, any aspect of this pandemic, any aspect that you want. How do you choose this and how do you get people to focus on this problem when theyre home with their doors closed just worried about their own health and safety, even though they have enough to eat and so many other issues that are coming at them in this . If this was happening alone as a phenomenon in this country, it would be getting all of our attention. How do you get the attention that it needs . I think you said it well introducing this segment. If you dont have enough food in your system, then the Health Concerns that you have amidst this pandemic, your job concerns you have with this historic Economic Contraction, youre ability to provide for yourself and your family to make sure they are healthy to go out and find another job down the road, that is compromised if you cannot put enough calories in your system to survive. But most alarming of all are those little kids that mothers across america are telling us are not getting food they need. That will stunt their development, their growth, their potential, their opportunities down the road and by extension, it will stunt our growth and our opportunities as a country. You know, i was seeing this crisis develop in el paso and across texas and then matt russell who is a farmer in iowa and bob leonard who is a reporter that covers Rural Communities throughout that state reached out to me and told me farmers are plowing their produce back into the field. Dairy farmers are duffmping mil instead of getting it out and you have lines people are waiting hours long to get help and they hit upon this idea, what if you just expanded the supplemental nutrition assi Assistance Program known as snap or food stamps and make sure more people could go to a Grocery Store, which is already figured out the logistics of getting food from the farm to the warehouse, to the store and into peoples shopping carts and into their homes and stomachs instead of making people wait in these humiliatingly long lines and putting all this pressure on food banks who are seeing extraordinary demand in el paso, demand has increased 400 at the food bank in this commonty. They just were not built for this and charity alone wont solve the problem. So a snap program that now costs us the american taxpayer 60 billion to expand that to make sure that everyone who is unemployed is eligible to expand it to include the undocumented immigrants who as you know, lawrence, are by and large the ones picking our food in the fields to make sure that we can put dinner on the table for our families, to expand it for the length of the economic downturn and not just the Health Care Crisis is morally the right thing to do. Its in our own selfinterest and we the wealthiest, the most powerful country on the face of the planet can afford to do so. How do you do it in a washington where the president and the Republican Senate is more worried about getting cruise ships back on the ocean than feeding people in texas . Were really going to need members of congress and by extension, their constituents regardless of Party Affiliation or geography to demand we do the right thing. An interesting fact that matt and bob brought to my attention, the largest ben fsh yeficiaries snap are those who live in Rural Communities and we often know thats correlated with republican representation. So this is something that should appeal to all of us regardless of partisanship or any other division, geographic or otherwise to do the right thing and while we are rightfully trying to get money to small businesses, trying to get cash assistance to our fellow americans, in some instances bailing out very large corporations, this country has the resources to help those who are in need and cannot feed themselves and another really important point, lawrence, if we expand this to allow people to use snap in restaurants, we help that mom and pop restaurant stay afloat. Pay their employees, contribute to the local economy. This is a win, win across the board for everyone. Of course, the Food Stamp Program was born in bipartisan compromised bob doll getting together with one of the most liberal members of the senate both from farm states. They located the program in the Agriculture Department because they knew it would be good for farmers if they could get a bit of spirit back, you could get some of this done. Thank you for joining us tonight and thank you for bringing our attention and keeping our attention on this program. Appreciate it. Thank you. And when we come back, dr. Harvey feinberg will join us. He was watching last night when Laurie Garrett got a lot of attention by talking about the difference between tactics and strategy in fighting the coronavirus. Dr. Harvey feinberg, former dean of the Harvard School of Public Health joins us next. School of health joins us next are most uncertain, we turn to the most certain thing there is. Science. Science can overcome diseases. Create cures. And yes, beat pandemics. It has before. It will again. 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The only strategic goal that matters is getting rid of coronavirus which she said ultimately needs an effective vaccine that is affordable worldwide. Joining our discussion now, the former president of the National Academy of medicine, the chair of the National Academys Standing Committees on emerging infectious diseases, which is advising the white house. Dr. Feinberg, i want to read something you wrote the new england journal of medicine on april 23rd which reads like an echo of what i was hearing from Laurie Garrett last night. You said the aim is not to flatten the curve, the game is to crush the curve. Rather than stumble through a series of starts and stops and half measures on both the health and economic fronts, we should forge a strategy to defeat the coronavirus and open the way to economic revival. Dr. Feinberg, what would that strategy look like . The first point in strategy is to establish a unified command structure. Lawrence, we have not had a hire ark arcny of control and management with crushing the curve of eliminating the virus. If we had that, we would then need to have sufficient intelligence about the enemy, about the virus and that means an adequate number of tests deployed strategically to give us the intelligence that we need to fight the virus most effectively. Even today, with all the improvements, we still do not have the number or types of tests deployed around the country to give us that intelligence that we need. Third, we have to have an adequate capacity to follow up and manage isolating the cases that have the virus, isolating the people who have been exposed in a quarantine situation so they do not contract and send the virus to others and Contact Tracing which gives us the capacity to identify those who are at risk. If we do these things while we intensify the search for effective treatments and ultimately a vaccine that is safe and effective, we have a strategy that has the winning potential. We need to play offense. We cannot constantly simply be reacting to what the virus is doing at one point in time or another. Doctor, when you framed it basically in war terms and you said we need to have intelligence about the enemy, and that that is the point of testing, the most basic point of testing, is getting that intelligence about the enemy, that to me is the most persuasive phrasing and concepti concepti conception frame work yesterday ive heard for testings role in this battle. Testing has multiple functions, lawrence. Yes, you need to identify individuals who are infected or could be infected but you also need whats called surveillance in the community to identify the number of cases, the distribution of cases where risk is increasing, where it may be diminishing so you know how to deploy your resources most efficiently to curtail the spread. The whole game here is to stop the spread of this infection from one person to another, and thats where you start with that intelligence about the virus. We know that through testing. Feinberg, thank you for joining us once again. We need your guidance in these times and appreciate your joining us. We really do. Thank you. My pleasure. And when we come back as were joined, he wants to discuss the tactics and strategy we need to be using to deal with an economy that is racing past recession toward depression and they arent the tactics or strategy that the white house is talking about. Strategy that the white house is talking about. 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We can phase out lockdown safely if the federal government had done the work on testing and tracing. We could phase out lockdown if the federal government had done testing and tracing. Its the kind of thing that you could write a lot more about it but you really dont have to write a lot more about it. That pretty much tells the story. Dr. Tom frieden, the former director of the centers for Disease Control and prevention appeared before a subcommittee for his plan for controlling the spread of coronavirus and responsibly very gradually reopening some economic activit activity. Were thinking a versus b, it more accurate to think of a dimmer switch than on off switch with gradations with the risk and between Public Health and economic security. The very best way to get our economy back is to control the virus and economic stability is critically important to the publics health. Joining our discussion is ezra klein, host of the pod cast the ezra klein show and author of the recently released book why are we polarized. This is a moment that e are mree of the slogan in the clinton president ial campaign in 1992. Its the economy, stupid. They just want to them, every issue came back to the economy and it seems to me that no matter which way we want to look at this were always coming back to the virus. Even the discussion with beto orourke, long term the best way to get those people fed is to get this virus crushed so that they can get back to work so that they can be able to afford food, so they can get out of the line to the food bank and every single economic discussion about whats going on here, if its realistic comes back to how do you crush the virus . We have made this so much harder by being so bad at it. I cant stress that enough. Look, this is always going to be hard but it didnt need to be this complicated and the way it wouldnt have been this complicated is if at the beginning when we the people made this tremendous sacrifice e, economic, social, personal to go into lockdown, they had fame ev time frames they followed and got the country ready there are two words to talk about strategy that are important in talking about this, security and predictability. You want on one hand security and health and want it in the economy. For awhile those will require unusual things for us in the economic dimension there has to be a tremendous amount of Government Support of the economy, of wages in particular to say nothing of byes themseus themselves to be secure from the virus but the other thing you need is predictability. That the particularly true in the economy, right . We need to say six months from now well be doing x. Here is where we expect to be and thats also true with the virus. People will not lockdown forever if they dont believe time is being used well and dont see what is coming. The word quarantine comes from the word 40, 40 days originally when we were doing this many, many, many years ago. The federal government completely has failed to execute a plan and so what theyve been in is an incredibly costly Holding Pattern they are now no longer willing to pay the cost of, and its the most profound and far reaching failure of Political Leadership probably in our lifetime. I want to go back to a tweet you did in april at the end of the month, april 29th. You said donald trump does not want to be in charge of any of this. He wants to play president on tv. He doesnt want responsibility for governance in time of crisis and in every way he can, hes refusing to do that job and lashing out at those who ask him to do it, and ezra, thats what were seeing in the point you made about the guidelines being announced after we want to close things down. We want people to socially distance. The white house guidelines. But after issuing the guidelines, they had no strategy whatsoever on how to achieve something beneficial during that time period. Its like the guidelines came up and they sat there and hoped. Guidelines are not a plan. Also, the president never followed the guidelines. To this moment is not following the guidelines is routinely contradicting them. The whole thing is wild. Think about a hypothetical here. Imagine this was the Obama Administration. Imagine it was the Hillary Clinton administration. You remember as i do, lawrence, a couple weeks a i go in what we call the stimulus 3. 5 that it was described as a concession to democrats. It was 25 billion and a mandate to have a National Testing strategy. Can you imagine a Clinton Administration on this . How desperate they would be for the money to do testing, how many bullet points their testing strategy would have . A normal federal government. By the way, not just a democratic one, if governor dawayne was president or marco rubio were president , they would be desperate to have a plan here. The financing for financing fore structure for a plan. And to be carrying it out so when they ran for reelection this year they could say we saved the country. But donald trump, the reason it was a democratic concession, which it actually was, was donald trump does not want to have responsibility for testing. He has wanted from the beginning to put this entire thing on states and cities, which do not have the resources, the power, the coordination capacity to solve the problems in the testing supply chain, not to mention the innovation to get the sort of 20, 25, 35 million tests a day we will ultimately need to open up safely in the absence of a vaccine. He has never wanted this. He wants to be the head of state. He enjoys doing these press conferences. Which is why he keeps doing them despite the fact theyve often been bad for him. And now as people are pulling him off of. But he has never wanted to dot hard work of daily governance. The grind of the meetings, the actual pushing of it. And we are all suffering for it. Ezra klein, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. When we come back, id like to leave you with some wisdom and beauty, and that means im going to be quoting other people. Well be right back. Es your ins, so you only pay for what you need [squawks] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Heres another cleaning tip from mr. Clean. Cleaning tough bathroom and kitchen messes with sprays and wipes can be a struggle. Theres an easier way. Try mr. Clean magic eraser. Just wet, squeeze and erase tough messes like bathtub soap scum. And cakedon grease from oven doors. Now mr. Clean magic eraser comes in disposable sheets. Theyre perfect for icky messes on stovetops. In microwaves. And all over the house. For an amazing clean, try mr. 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Gabriel Garcia Marquez died six years ago, and in the letter rodrigo wonders what his father would have had to say about our world being gripped in a pandemic. He said once that what haunts us about epidemics is that they remind us of personal fate. Despite precautions, medical care, age or wealth, anyone can draw the unlucky number. Rodrigo garcia speaks for me, and im sure many of you when he writes, im still in a fog. It seems for now that ill have to wait for the masters, present and future, to met ablize the shared experience. I look forward to that day, a song, a poem, a movie or a novel will finally point me in the general direction of where my thoughts and feelings about this whole thing are buried. When i get there, im sure ill still have to do some of the digging myself. The other piece of writing i want to leave you with is by 25yearold chase beach. Theres a picture of chase back in the days when i met her with her father, steve, who is as kind and capable and dependable as you could ever hope for in a friend and neighbor. Like many 25yearolds, chase is riding out the pandemic at home with her parents, sleeping in her childhood bedroom. But chase got a head start. Chase writes, i got the call from my mom two years ago. Daddy is in the icu, she said. He has a brain tumor. Chase didnt have to think about what to do. She immediately flew home to los angeles from new york city and never looked back. She gave up her promising job, where she was getting promotion after promotion. And devoted herself to taking care of her father. Now, chase is not the only one of her friends who is worried about her Parents Health. Many other 25yearolds whose parents have aged into the higherrisk group for coronavirus have a new worry tonight that they didnt have at their last new years eve party. Chase beach says that her friends new worries about their Parents Health has made her feel not quite so alone on what she calls this island of parental anxiety. Since the quarantine began in los angeles, chases life and her fathers life havent changed too much. They take the same walk every day, with chase pushing steves wheelchair. But chase sees something on her neighborhood walks that ive totally missed. Something beautiful. Something profound. When neighbors see us coming, they make an effort to swing well away, even more than the suggested six feet. This gesture, the way our neighbors step away, is a small example of this puzzling reality were all facing. In order to stay safe, we must stay away. We stay away in order to remain in a way together. If we are afraid enough of one another or for one another, we may be able to save each other. Love and fear, distance and solidarity, have never been more obviously conjoined. Chase beach gets tonights last word. Good night, chase. Good night, steve. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Well, good evening on this day 1,203 of the trump administration. 181 days to go until our next president ial election. The president has adopted the use of a scorsesean phrase to sum up our sorry circumstances as a country these days. Yesterday he said about the state of the u. S. Economy and unemployment, it is what it is. Today when asked about the death toll he again said, it is what it is. Adding 70,000 sounds correct to him. Just yesterday the president announced he was winding down the Coronavirus Task force. Even though the pandemic is just now ramping up in some places, with the largest spike in new

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