We said we are going to cut us off completely from russian fossil fuels. And we will never be dependent on them again. And then the next thing she does around the uses russia, although withholding energy supplies, you know, that holding back gas, you know, and they using gas as a political weapon. So if you awesome, well, do you want russian gas or dont you want russian . Yes, you can get a straight answer. I mean, depends on what time of day you ask the question and this is really low. As they have been using russia for months and months of using gas as a weapon. When the only people would be using energy as a weapon, as in the, you know, i mean the, you know, that was what they say they bad russian colon pause. Then they say were not going to have any russian oil in both starting in december. And then they close down the stream to before it even started a grain closing off one of its a do transport, russia, gas, europe. And then we have the, you know, the, the sanctions coming from canada when a compressor that was needed repairing was sent to siemens in germany, Germany Center to canada, canada. So were not returning it because it sanctioned, as of all the issues being driven from the western end of the propaganda is the somehow in russia is using energy as a weapon. When, when did that happen . Well, a demon, i mean, the real political weapon here has been sanctions. The only thing that really changed with Russian Energy policy. B, v. Europe is that the russians said this, they start charging in roubles, which it makes perfect sense because of the sanctions and the, and then those swift system, russia being shut out. I mean, if they, if they continue paying in dollars or euros, it would just be froze, it encompass dated. So i mean, thats the only significant change. And we all of the upper or over north stream one. Well its, its back in business. Ok. Most of the gas is flowing again. I mean, it doesnt really make any sense to me what they want to do, and there is no unity in the european union. So what is russia supposed to do . These of the, the, you have to deal with independent in the, in the, of the individual members of the you because the, you, as a whole, has no coherent policy. What say you the mom . Well, i think sometimes you just plays all the stuff on just a very often they just use this phrase. Butcher is using a gas wiper. They dont people and the political. So people have these. Oh, terrible images. Oh wow. So you know, this is a terrible chris said in your, you know, so these people, i dont even in the way they express themselves. But you are right about the what i would collective incentives. The problem with you is that the song of its members is a lot less ration than every member they can. Individual. I mean, all that most tragic, more playful. You see, dont. So the you were collecting i mean, the situation with russia is just the latest example. The experts in germany, for example, at the end of the conference. You know, you said basically why is always 100 percent dependent on russian guess . Bulgaria is almost 100 percent dependence. This is india. Its dungeon. So even if germany seems to be going to provide for and so who is thinking about go get it right. The 2nd, the 2nd such example is syria. Im in the and thats remember all the events. Ok, there were disturbances that were brought us in syria and balls and do ever so instead, all either stay neutral or how been off that vision for find some need or their own solution. You can elect to really support the position and we know the result, you know, the civil war that for august and years. So all of them most painful way you can, you know, im terrified voice. Theres no collective though theres no solidarity here. George is in the country right now in hungry. They basically wont say it on this program bit. They went their own way. It was put it that way. George. Yeah, no, thats right. Last week a foreign minister, b. C, r. Go through to moscow breaking ranks with the rest of the you and signed the agreement with russia for 700000000 metric tons of natural gas. It is a hungry need, a gas as a well, were not sharing any of those gas with anyone with a day off to the European Commission issue, this new dig that of demanding the all you Member States reduce the gas consumption by 15 percent. And then that would be a process from a number of states including spain and portugal, and greece saying, well, why should we come back on our gas use . This is a german problem. It is very much of bob and boss of the way the germans do this. I mean, the germans make these Big Decisions and then they force everyone else to live with a decision. I mean, case in point is of course the, the decision of im going to michael 2015 to start bringing in immigrants into europe, which everyone else or something of an obligation to say as well. Have a peculiar understanding of solidarity, dont they have it . We do it. Everybody else that voluntarily . Yes. That yeah, exactly. And it back, it was germany that has been very dependent on russian. Yes. And then he was germany that made these extraordinary decisions like canceling the stream to at the very last moment. And so, and this is why the europeans now say, you know, a well, where was germany when we needed them out of the 2008 crisis. 6 and we need a bailout. Suddenly the germans say, well, sorry, we dont have the money to bail anyone out. So now is that the europeans are supposed to. Ready a bail germany as well. And also we had, over the last few days, we had the threatening to shut a pipeline that was supplying europe that you know, that theres been agreed to. And so, you know, again, this adds to the quandary here. I mean, russia threatened to cut energy, but its ukraine. That is reckoning to cut off Russian Energy customers in europe. So i mean, went, wheres the, wheres the anger towards the ukrainians for threatening europe, Energy Security go ahead. Doesnt make any sense. Well, it makes sense. I was logically, there you go. Thats made, but it may sound well for the im sorry, it was. What was the wardrobe all the space opposing north jim bon, enrolled student to me. They said that these rush and get has to grow. So the grain will get russia said, oh, you know, we are wanting to continue to supply us through your brain. But that just makes sense to me. Now that you can so why did yes no, no, no, no way to deal with. Now that there is basically these terrible confrontations within russia and ukraine. Your brain is charging some of these. I stay in the line what they call the occupied. So i mean, rocky to gain weight even though it was doing, i think it was the you that said the usual all rely but you bring bolts to do is use them. Explain to our audience. What does the United States up into . What is your be in energy . Can you like me . Why did they, they poking their beek into something that is so important, were not talking about, you know, the size of a condo here. Were talking about people going to be warm in the winter. If youre absolutely right, United States has not, and you know, with this russian drummond pipeline, i mean, what well do is say i said oh, with a pose a pipeline from canada, United States. Oh, in fact jo, wire them has been doing it for us. Brilliant. You know, and he created the programs in american life, but we never even thought about raising any questions about pipelines that be mexico in tonight, canada and the other night. These things to lead has the right to know to pronounce judgment on russia. Also dont project to impose sanctions on the companies participate in it. And before that theyre not as they sabotaged and walked against sol scheme, which was basically a app supply and cheap gas to gratify grease and reset it. Well, in fact, part of the problem with white, reese had this terrible crisis. It could be a waste if they had to rush. Well, it would be, so for you. But it was, you know, they were paying commission and a great extent, the United States that basically did everything will be sol, steve going never comes a door with i guess my question is, when a rhetorical is the United States, have to do with european Energy Security well, its all about money, they want them to buy american energy, which, you know, is being fossil. Fuels are being attacked in the u. S, but theres only one outcome here, a higher price. So the europeans, when they get up and cheap Russian Energy and paper very expensive gulf in american. And wow, thats a brilliant move, isnt it . Go ahead. We go. Yeah, it is. Of course, it makes the europeans very uncompetitive. I mean, youre already has problems with keeping up with east asia, but now the one thing that they had which was very reliable source of energy, russia, now theyve given that up and theyve done it on the american pressure. They call they can, ukraine has come under american pressures, the americans who press the ukraine membership in the name that was the americans continue to provoke and to provoke. And basically the eob is just a little hard on some real estate. Ah, ah no nation, no nation has ever done anything like it in all the history with ah ah ah welcome back to girls that were all things considered. Im here labelle. This is the home addition to remind you. Were discussing some real news. Ah, lets go back to d. M a here it in moscow. From centrally, when we look at a conflict in ukraine, at least for the west, um they, they wont say it out loud, but you know, its not about freedom. Its not about to maps, not about territorial, thats all, thats what we keep hearing on the airlines. But its really about energy here and not fossil fuel energy. Its all about green energy. And ukraine is being used as a segue to push the transition. This is something that, you know, this is a gleeful about it there, gleeful about because they, they dont have to bring it to their people and vote on. And theyll say it just because, you know, rules based order and all of this type of stuff here. But at the same time, and this is what i need to explain, theyre opening up whole mines again and are well made natural gas maybe isnt so dirty here. I mean, what are their priorities here . Because if they, on the one hand, you know, its, you know, territorial integrity. On the other hand, its a green new deal. But they keep interweaving in clashing with each other and they cant make up their mind. What is their priority nima . Well, i have, i would say not the previous but the duty to read the more than german press. Im just read it so we dont have to thank you d a d b side. You know, they the right that 62 percent of the germans for the governments advice and now the work themselves a few times a week or less. Ok doesnt work at 62 percent of people already believe these crap. And you know, the way the government is dealing with people in terms of why you have to read, you know that the temperature in your bathroom, you have to wash read. I mean that these people, it use russian channel story period. But we know what he told you the difference between authoritarian and to put it there in the g 30 him say ok. Dont publish every day just on your president. I so i didnt say how else of whats your cell which theater waste you could go to which books you should read, you know how it would educate your children. So in this situation, during our walks su, but that it darian state, they tell their people how, what, what is what for their house. There is a very, very strange theory now that washing, but it also makes is bad. And its just the plain and the problem with that in states is that they use ideology against mass against mathematics. I mean in your force, which is a huge or very what madison you model their best interest. Regardless, all the handle on the he just gave a mathematical analysis or was one, not germany has 40 median household. 20000000. 00 of them are heated by guess, russian gas, it calls for 55 percent. How are going to do without ok . So this is a mathematical question. Then i know what you go on. What ran it worse for short periods of time, you know, dont use your car, dont use your i dont know what else i can wait. I mean, it smacks all the sudden even worse. Well, i mean it, george, i mean a, is this going back to the 1840s . I mean, im trying to understand whats going on in the world is a super competitive police. But and, and then we look at the europeans, you know, i mean, what, what is it, you know, pragmatism isnt ideology. Can they marry the 2 . It seems that they, theyre, theyre, theyre, theyre pushing things that are dis, diametrically opposed to each other. And the result is cold and lack of productivity and you know, the world passes them by a, some kind of backwater and this is all done intentionally good. Yes, it is a short reason. Theres been this seamless transition from lee cove is area now to the. Ringback the energy steering, i mean its just you, you dont even notice it. So we was screaming at the anti back says the non mosque, whereas the people who were protesting against the lock down, you know, they were with them because they refused to express social solidarity. They were entirely selfish, and we were supposed to hate them. So now were rapidly going to be moving into a new era with dont want to share out the energy. I mean, im going to be really in the process. You know, they dont want to share out the gas, and they can design their own deals with russia. And so this is now everyone with whos going to be taking showers of a to long, you know, theyre going to be the, it, i guess thats a new thing. Shower shaming. Is that, i mean, exactly, you know, people, you know, watch the car, you know, more than once a month. So if you ever, now its only going to be a fall in be insufficiently especially solidarity and of course will be good. This, this isnt the how the, you know, this as the said, this kind of a j as well. No one ever really for the barrel with it is the same. No one really kind of a, you know, im the mental questions about i go with no one will on the mental question to what end is all is, why are we making the sacrifice . No, youre just going to shop and just get with the program or else, you know, were going to punish you and i hope they get shot too long in the shower. We had 0 with 0 cove and now we have 0 fossil fuel. Ok. Now let me go to you. I mean, usually when these unusual and very strident demands of people, its during a momentary crisis. Ok moment. So, you know, what i mean by that is that, you know, when the crisis will come to an end and you know, back not, this is completely open ended. Ill get you started saving, 15 years. Youre told to say 15 percent on energy towards what end. I mean it will that make the situation better . How lead alleviated they dont have any answers. Theres no, theres no exit from this. It just seems its going to be a cumulative. Are they going to never 40 percent, then 60 percent and the result will be the same. I dont understand what, what theyre driving at what their goal is. Go ahead. Logical this. Im sorry, is what you go to. I mean, anybody writes Something Like this. Oh, our people are paid by about 19 percent celsius inside their own lease, when, while people with russia have been through so many difficult, just that much more sustainable. So, i mean, this is typically well meet, you told me ok, make any sense. Right . That means that you should be making sacrifices. Ok, 15 percent days, 20 percent. Less moral. Dont ask why . Well, if you ask us, why do you know if you ask us, why did we support your greenwich . The whole being in 2014. Dont expect us from all these other people, you know, we have to see places change. So were not responsible with these people. Did they get their band . So, i mean, theyre all, theyre all nice, nice, nice groups. You know, i dont often was that fortune, you know, via and also what is very important is you always require crisis. And 2nd, at that it is, you always intimidate, you will all die from. There will be an alignment. If you dont listen to us and if you dont or with cold water glam, it will collapse. You know, so basically let me remind you of how people are basically broaden germans into into was you said that we have not enough space off. Let us wrong, if we dont expand into years, were going to die. That was a lie because germans on a much more energy off of the world, war 2, created a sustainable economy which fed not only of them, but a segue is perfectly the last question i have for george here, youre right. We have the german economic miracle because there was cheap soviet then that later, russian gas. So, george, you know, on a global scale here, the global south is saying, you know, the europeans got really rich because they had access to very cheap fossil fuels, primarily oil and gas. So now theyre looking, theyre stepping up and say, our turn we would like that energy to do exactly what the europeans had and what they are they willing to give up . But well make it in line. Well take it. Thats exactly whats happening. Yes, yes. But the strange thing is that the europeans and the extent the americans are weighted to a ology that is propagated by the World Economic forum and ever. And its not entirely clear what the deal is other than they want to reduce the population of the world. I mean, thats their agenda and green energy, somehow those in with that agenda the, you know, as was the, the fear of and then makes and, and with those, you know, hey, people having children or anything like that. So its a part of the same things. Are they using this a crisis of ukraine, essentially to cock all use of fossil fuels and to move to these renewables. They know perfectly well there is no way in the world that germany can continue to be an economic powerhouse relying on solar panels and, and wind. But theyre pushing it and you have to think that based on how dont know youre in the United States to be kind of this engine for growth. I mean, they want to continue to be prosperous themselves. They dont really want to extend this prosperity to us. I mean, it seems, you know, the europeans want to set an example for the world that, thats something that we see here. And, you know, you know, eventually, you know, you will be carbon chain, you know, this country uses do what are, but you know, that, that will be, you know, it will be another reason for nato it to be. Are they been there for what bridge do bank. Ok, but i mean, but it doesnt work logically because then they become less competitive. They become for the come more irrelevant. And so everyone, the learning example be dont do what it drives you to grow. And the last 30 seconds go to you. Well, for a full in europe, extreme is all the groups not only about which are concerned about it, but also about energy crisis. So were all extreme. Its now people dont. And 2nd, there was one person who said that basically by this policy, europe is destroying european, humane capitalism. That was a gross. Yeah. Im just looking at him. So i look at, im not saying it on my own. But as i said, it would be your magazine, this is always, this is always seem to back these o conspiracy theories. Well, well, it will have as well in your, at least in the winter coming up well have cold capitalism. Ok. See how that feels. Ok, go out. Ok. Im watching themselves a, digging further in to their problems. Its extraordinary to witness gentlemen. Thats all the time we have. I want to thank my guest in budapest and here in moscow. I want to thank you for watching us here. Our t remember of cross up rules ah ah, for me who needs to come to the russian state patrol . Never, unfortunately no slam. Steve asked me, im not getting calls. Ill sons on that for a group in the 55 when. Okay, so mine is gonna be the one home with will ban in the european union. The kremlin. Yup. 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