Transcripts For SFGTV Special Joint PlanningMTA 72116 20160804

Fong, here. Hillis is expected to be absent for the sfmta brinkman present borden, present. Grant hi nikki is absent then shoots to trim present trend ramos, present. Wu rocky, present. Borden present. Mr. Chairman mr. Pres. You have a quorum item 3 announcement of coalitions against sound producing devices during the meeting. [reading code]. Please be advise cell phones cause microphone interference. Theres likely request they are in the off position. Item 4, communications. Commissioners, directors i know of none at this time. Moving onto your regular special calendar. Item 5, presentation and discussion regarding connect sf Transportation Vision plan. Good morning. I can see all of you, but [laughing] ed reiskin down here. Members of the board, members of the commission, mr. Chairman and mr. Pres. , im really grateful for the opportunity to come together today and in this unique increase my, joint format to talk about an effort that we been undertaking that i think is critical importance as we are facing the demands that the city is. A wild back, director rahaim and director of county Transportation Authority as wells karen rich and gillette from the Mayors Office got together and decided we needed to collaborate on him much longerterm approach to Transportation Planning in the city. I think theres been a lot of great Transportation Planning that has happened in the past few years and decades, whether from the land use planning, the area plans, various kinds of Transportation Plans and project plans that we done. But, i think we all agreed particularly given the dynamic change thats happening in our city that we needed to take a more conference of citywide and longterm approach to planning transportation in the future and doing it with calling it a Transportation Plan but its really a joint land use and Transportation Plan to transfer check plan is very much informed by land use. So, it is been so far a great collaboration should i think its one thats absolutely necessary for us to do as a city. Its probably something we shouldve been doing all along but certainly now given what we are facing as a city, its just all the more important. So it has been a great partnership. I want to thank the Planning Commission for making staff available to work with us. Weve been working between our agency, planning, the mta and Mayors Office. I think this is really important work and will really benefit from whatever feedback and guidance you have to provide us today. Thanks commissioner could i also can see all of you. Im down here on the other side john rahaim with the Planning Department should i want thank you for coming together to get this is been a goal of commissioner johns and for a long time to happy to finally make this happen. As director reiskin said, just a joint effort between the three agencies in the Mayors Office and it is i think the most conference of approach to Transportation Planning that the city is taken in a long time. Something i think that he, we agreed really needs to happen. Especially in light of the citys growth and the reduction in car ownership and all the factors that are going into putting pressure on our transportation system. Inevitably, when your conversations like this they are complex and it is very challenging and appropriately so to talk about transportation in and of itself without talking about land use patterns, without talking about issues of equality and how this how the public gets around the city. So, these discussions will in fact become complicated. They will inevitably involve discussions of the citys growth, where the city is going, how the city is growing as well has access to the Transportation Systems are and where that system evolves and grows. Including issues of Pedestrian Safety housing affordability, Traffic Congestion thats all going to be encompassed in this subway and we have to address accurate as youll hear in the presentations from the staff, we arethis is a Transportation Plan editor needs to be but happily informed by land use patterns and other cities growth in the next coming years. So, what you will hear is a presentation from Reese Espinosa and members of the staff or the mta about the components of this plan. As well as the land use productions we are prepared to kind of informed decisions about this plant can we look forward very much to hearing your comments and as youll hear, we are ready and will be preparing in the fall for a more robust Public Outreach on this effort. So, with that i think will get into staff presentations. Thank you. Good morning commissioners could bury a espinosa with the San Francisco Planning Department i start with a presentation today i want to just ground us in what we heard from the previous two presentations both the mta board and the Planning Commission this week and last week. We talk to you a bit about the state of the mta system in your presentation by tom acquired auditory white from the mta. We talked a bit about iran use projections by the patterns of land use and policies that shape what our city looks like today. So, for todays presentation staff will describe to you what this longrange effort is and we all cant connect sf because its about connecting all of those thoughts regarding land use, transportation, economic development, demographics, all of those factors that will go into shaping a very complex city and challenges to come. So i will walk you through the presentation good i will walk you through the what the components are of this effort and it will be over a couple of years because there are so many complex factors. We are coming to you early because we want to get it right. We will make sure were grounded in the framework we get to hear from you and your expectations in this effort. And also that we understand how to shape our conversations with the public and the community as this goes forward. So i really welcome the opportunity to hear your feedback on that get us out with a presentation and then i would like to introduce my colleague ran sub away from the mta to be part of the presentation with me. I also want to about other stop in the room. I appreciate into Michael Schwartz from the mta for being here good as well as other staff who been integral to going this overall effort together. So thank you very much. So, why are we here today . Connect sf as i mentioned is about shaping our citys transportation future. Our Transportation Network is such a finding element of our city and how we get around. It creates a cities livability, our economic vibrancy, it has impacts on Environmental Quality and urban character. I connect sf effort is citywide. It looks to both consolidate and coordinate transportation related Planning Efforts to improve mobility for all folks in San Francisco and as director reiskin mentioned, it is a multi Agency Effort for both the planning and implementation agencies will be involved in connect sf. There are some major components that i want to talk about. First, we have a city gen. Plan and there is a key component in there which is a transportation element did it links all of the citys guiding plans and policies regarding transportation. The transportation element is also the to in a moment has updated in 20 years so we need to catch up our thinking in what policies help guide and shape our modification of how we implement our transportation system. The general plan as you know, is linked to the work of the city Planning Department and in addition, we buy San Francisco Transportation Plan that will be updated get the San Francisco Transportation Plan typically undertaken by the San Francisco Transportation Authority, and it gives shape to our priority projects, our plans, and are funding and Revenue Streams that will help shape the investment in infrastructure over the next 2530 years. Its an important document. Those are guided by our policies. We need to do them but more important way, we need to link them together to make sure they are working in tandem and not at cross purposes. We also will be undertaking a series of mortal studies did with this means looking in detail at the transit network, at our street network, understanding all of the different components and how they will affect our system overall. In so doing, really the leadership of the different agencies in the city came together because they knew they needed to undertake these plans and projects but more importantly, what was missing and absent with this overall vision this overarching vision, for land use and transportation to really help shape and guide the overarching policies for these important implementing documents. The vision is really a process. It will be shaped by stakeholder and public input and it will help guide our thinking 50 years out into the future. You may be asking, why such a significant time horizon . 50 years is a long time. Who knows who can predict the future but we do know what some of the key uncertainties are get we do know some of those drivers and change will be and we also know what Disruptive Forces are happening now do we need to Pay Attention to whether its changing demographics, or different regional funding opportunities could all those factors we need to have in one place understand and talk about the implications of each. So, those are the main components. I will walk through what each one is. We could not do this without Stakeholder Involvement. So this includes not only our partner agencies, but other agencies within the city. Clinically, regional partners such as are other operating agencies bart as an example being other key partners that will help shape policy decisions for land use and transportation in the region. We also critically feel Stakeholder Involvement means communicating with the public and hearing what peoples needs concerns, thoughts are. As we go through for the as john mentioned, were going to be undertaking a series of outreach opportunities through the fall to keep this off and understand the needs of the public. So, with the vision i will walk you through what that entails. The opportunity for the vision isnt funding pensions it allows us to test our thinking with big ideas and really see what can we innovate, what can we shape. How do we need to think outside the box and maybe think about this cchanges though becoming and a future. We will identify the goals objectives and policy grammar as i mentioned give that overarching framework to help guide our policy documents to come. We know that there are some uncertainty in the future. Especially for such a longterm horizon, but will allow us to test our thinking in different ways by using scenario planning to help shape different pathways if we went one direction and invested in the Network Without look like . If we took a totally different approach what would that mean for our city . So it will allow us to have these conversations. We are not necessarily unique in this idea. New york deftly undertook a visioning process called one new york but i think as a city, so important to the economy and to housing considerations in this region, we are going to be a leader in our thought processes and thinking to help other cities in the region tackle these Big Questions as well. So, will introduce the transportation dialogue engage the community, discuss ideas, and really identified a number of different scenarios plus preferred future we want to see. We really have this opportunity to shape the future we want and so this is an important dialogue will be undertaking it this year with the Public Outreach kit will be doing that in the fall and into 2017. We are going to start out with some guiding goals that we want to see if that resonates with the public. Certainly, we envision a future that thinks about equity and im really helps to understand the implications of equity for our city, making sure users of our system both equitable and Affordable Access to good services, activities and destinations. We know that safety and moving is of quite critical importance of our community to be above attractive and safe travel options that support health, livable neighborhoods and address the needs of all users. Environmental sustainability is a critical component of this because we want to support a healthy environment with clear quality that is responsive to Climate Change and different dynamics that provide Sustainable Choices for our future. And Economic Vitality is a key foundational goal of this effort. The people and businesses easily access to destinations for jobs and commerce, including both established and growing neighborhoods in San Francisco and the region. So, this is our starting point. We like to take these calls out to the public and see what resonates and if the public thinks these are the core that we should focus on. Other major components as i mentioned, mortal studies. We are doing some pulmonary work now for a subway vision. So i might think we heard comments from the Planning Commission previously about with the future of our local Rapid Transit network and how can we both plan and build and think about those things in tandem. So were doing a lot of Technical Work to study these efforts now and will be bringing Something Back in the fall. We also will be looking at both opportunities for muni transit and Regional Trends and how they link together how they serve the city them how they serve the immunity patterns into and out of San Francisco. We will be looking at the role of our freeways and arterials. So, how do those major linkages for Goods Movement and Service Delivery shape a role for that travel and transportation here in the city. We will be building on existing and ongoing multimodal lands. So, not just about transit. We are a city that thinks about and welcomes into theinvestments and pedestrian and bicycle safety. Better infrastructure for both those modes which as weve seen, with a reduction in car ownership for newer generation, theres an opportunity here to invest in those modes as well. We will also be undertaking a San Francisco Transportation Plan 2050 which will be a critical component for input into the next round of the regions plan bay area. So, this will be the most informed by the mortal studies and vision to ensure Regional Transit and that investment is linked to that will be looking at investment scenarios so opportunities for funding, revenue sources, Revenue Streams and where we prioritize those investments. It would be important to mention our transportation element update, which as part of the general plan, is an important codification of her citys transportation goals and policies. The last transportation element update really gave shape to the Transportation Network that you see today with the four corridor plan. We also know that our application of these is what you see as directors and Board Members when projects come to you get so this is a way to link all those things together at the local and neighborhood scale. So, with that i like to turn it over to my colleague graham, to ground us in the current commit conditions and what we need to think about today. Thank you teresa. Good morning commissioners and Board Members. Grandfrom sfmta. Building a little bit on what some of the Planning Commission heard from tom and victoria last week in terms of where are we at today the transportation system. From a regional perspective, we have seen dramatic growth in ridership on caltrain and bart. Over the last five years, unique metro has also seen increased demand for its services. And under each of these systems are at times when we are forced to leave passengers behind at the platform and the demand simply exceeds the services we can provide today. Also, i want to note the muni rail system while wholly contained with the geography of the city and county of San Francisco, the rail system and bus system are absolutely key pieces in the result has petition network and fully serve that function and continue to integrate regional and local services to make it seems transit experience for travelers. Specifically, looking at bart, their extensive stream ridership pushing not only beyond their own adopted standards in terms of Customer Experience and passenger comfort onboard, but also National Subway standards. In key to San Francisco is to recognize two out of every three bart trips in their entire system either start or end on market street. That is artistry is really the backbone of the bart system and providing key regional connections. When we shift beyond just transit and think about the multimodal nature of travel with to and from San Francisco, the sf mta is stated objective of 50 or more of all trips by nonprivate auto mode. Weve done statistical we surveys with the past few years and in fact we are just above that target at around 52 of trips occurring. In nonprivate auto modes and thats both regional entering, regional exiting within the city of San Francisco. We have seen a sort of study percentage of their and that is because this is all trips throughout the day. Its a big number. Just over the more million troops protected odyssey that continues to grow as our employment and residential population continue to increase. If we take a little bit deeper dive and look specifically at commute trips we are noticing the net increase, the new trips that we are capturing from a transportation system, are actually occurring primarily by transit and active mode. That can be existing commuters, making a decision to use an alternative mode or a camino commuter same, to leave my car at home or on something up and own a car. This is really just evidence that we are continuing to improve and increase the available transportation choices for people and they are taking that. So some evidence of these during commute or not we are seeing shifts in people making choices in slightly different ways that may have in the past. Again important to note this a small number of trips relative to the daily total. Thats probably why well continue to see small increase of 50 but we want to see continued progress. Then, when we think not just about people but how goods are moving around our city, this religion a shift in how that occurs. In the past we relied on deliveries for difficult to access or unavailable goods locally and now delivery is used for daily necessities and groceries and common occurrences. We would use it neighborhood commercial street to access him with all our physical goods. Now, theres a most like mobile storefronts with ondemand delivery and at the drop of a dime you can get whatever you need without leaving your residence. This is all to translate to changes in how those goods are moving on our circa street, are we using the steps of the postal using arterial and local roads appropriately and how is that evolution going to occur at the demand for these ondemand goods and Services Continue to increase. In terms of that movement of people and goods, this is the inextricably linked nature of transportation and manuscript that movement of goods and services to amines which is the landuse side of the equation. There is a cyclical nature to these entities that San Francisco is actually wellpositioned both by the nature of its built environment and longstanding policy to be a leader in statedstaples targeting our sustainable communal strategy and sp375 in reading both the state and the region in those areas and at last weeks Planning Commission a prime example this brought up by commissioners johnson and the richards on the central somite intent of transportation when use decisions are being made in comp concert and forming one and thats exactly the type of decisionmaking and relationship thinking we want to continue to encourage. As we look to the future, we need to acknowledge there is a level of imbalance in terms of jobs and housing, location geography and density and how we access that. But that we are continue to pressure to grow in the two channel that growth into positive weight and improve upon their past decisions and how we move into and through San Francisco. So, we want to think not just about the plan we put in place but external forces that may influence or affect the plan that weve set up your we traditionally think uses acronyms as steep social technological economic environmental and political. Recognizing that there are external factors beyond our control and we should try to plan and account for these uncertainties in some manner. Lastly, there is a key component of that is to knowledge that transportation and land use is not purely a capital build, build, build perspective but theres a system management and a policy end of the spectrum we need to consider in terms of making sure we utilize in all our resources and assets efficiently and to the greatest extent possible as a means to achieve our stated goals and outcomes we are looking for. So, as we try to think, again, about some of the uncertainty out. The plans we put in place theres a number of questions that we as staff brainstormed and there really centered around what is the citywhat is San Francisco aspire to be on the landuse will build a transportation perspective . Will will will like to see the city in the future in terms of the level of access, mobility and inclusivity . Theres a number of fronts by which we can start to tease that thinking forward and try to bring out the direction and vision that we at San Francisco hold for ourselves, but staff developing these questions are great. We really need buyin from the public of the need to engage some of our citizens and ask them to be visionary and to think not just beyond themselves or their own street but for the city as a whole because we are here together and together we can set that direction for San Francisco. So, teresa is to come back and how we are really looking to engage the public, get them to weigh in and make sure the staff are clear on how we can channel their vision and their direction for San Francisco. You heard about this effort and i was reading an article in the economist that talked about young people and how people are changing their travel behavior overall and its a Something Like 30 of all young people are now taking ridesharing options for their travel behavior. This effort is so critically important because it we were business would be thinking what is our research and Development Arm and what are we going to do to really think about how we put it towards the future and are be ready . So, with that, we need to hear from our public to understand what are the changing roles and values . What we need to be ready for . So think about their values and priorities are for the future and what the city should be like for future generations. I think San Francisco is it unique city with a special character and so, do people want to continue to preserve that . Do they want to modernize some things . Do they want to have all of the above . That the composition both easy and hard work and undertake with the public over the next several months. So with the vision, its really about understanding eating a comprehensive and deep look at Community Matters experiences. Moving through the city and their needs and priorities for future transportation system. It will be a hard conversation because the natural reaction of folks is to say, well what about today . You heard about some from graham crowded conditions on trains and buses and we are trying to advance our work there and implement are great quality service. People care about whats happening today on their street in the community but we also want to help shift the dialogue to the future and its hard to do. But we want to make sure we are starting point is grounding in peoples current realities and existing conditions. So that we can create an overarching 50 year vision for the future that speaks to both the current needs and get a head of the factors and trends you are graham speak about that are to come. With that, i would like to offer up a few closing words from a citywide planning director gil kelly good to talk a little bit about the process Going Forward and also offer this opportunity to hear from you about your thinking and feedback to us on this effort. What we need to think about. How to continue to engage the public in this very important and critical dialogue towards the future. Thank you marissa and good morning directors and commission should they keep extending your time today to talk about this important piece of work coming for. Ill be very brief good i just want to embellish the comments a little bit from both graham and teresa on the public process and talk a little bit about the quality of Public Engagement on this one. Although we define this as transportation and a conversation should in the end the focus on transportation, which i think many of us would find more broadly slightly more broadly as access and mobility, access meaning not only how do i get to transit which is one problem to solve in transportation, but also, how do i bring the things i need my daily and weekly life closer to me so i dont need to take a trip. So those are both parts of the equation. But i think even more broadly than that, for the Planning Department and in particular this is opportunity for major scale Public Engagement across the city and i think its one to be nearly impossible to have this conversation without bringing up a lot of other issues and one way to channel that energy is the way in which ram described. There are external factors we can build into the transportation thinking. The other but frankly and parallel, to both provoke and harvest some of the information to see feed into other efforts the Planning Commission tragically knows about why longrange planning work program. Which i think will be an official. We wont be channeling people stop transportation can talk about that. They will need to have a weight to engage people and bigger questions and have a place for that in the conversation good so, i want to just let you know about that and with thinking through how that would work. One weight we see some particular to conduct the early and middle phases of both the access and mobility conversation as was the larger one is to really make use of scenario planning which we have not done a lot of sons. I think it be very very helpful in this process to really not looking just big middle and large middle and small sizes of things or transportation speeds, or that kind of thing, but also to think about testing very different kinds of values in that conversation. So, youll hear more about that as we get into the process but i think were looking at ways to engage people. Peoples imaginations. I feel like ive actually really getting something out of it because its going to be a challenge to get people from the current here and no complaints about current transit and so forth to and more robust conversation about the future that we can bend back cast from and start prioritizing the immediate investments and improvements on. I just want to add that context to the public discussion part of it. To the conversation. Thanks thank you. That includes staff presentation thank you, yes that includes and were ready for any questions or comments you may have that you will open up to Public Comment then commissioners can comment after. So opening up to Public Comment. This opportunity from emerson the public to address the Commission Regarding this matter. If you do it he could fill out a speakerphone. Thank you. I appreciate you posting us having this wonderful conversation it did before you start, if i could, just that the public know that the chairman and the president is that a twominute time limit for Public Comment all up as much content as possible into mins but i think the wonderful conversation into his good i was writing and saw the twolane street with a mighty victory over there in downtown. I would like to propose a list of 18 multilink oneway streets for event you understand these commissions are working on this. The interesting thing were looking at the correlation between low income density residence being hit by motor vehicles, president criminal behavior, the public arena open space, fastmoving oneway traffic and significantly underperforming retail business. I think that in terms of environmental and progressive weve left some options off the table. I think overall its our plan is to create a Carbon Neutral society, that we have to do it amongst this conversation at the confluence of planning and engineering. Right now, i believe that 40 of the environmental commission, 40 of our carbon carbon images come from the automobile really looking at ways to limit that and technology and individuals are embracing that. I believe that we have more parts of cars that public open green space i think thats another interesting thing to look at. I know, right now somewhere between 5060 of the hispanic 18yearold graduate from high school and you might think, this is for the educational but this is things that can be solved by solving by planning and engine should look at are then used that she looks 80 of our new unit moving into 20 of our central city core. Looking at the outside the box idea with more resources, more financial more natural political resources that many other places that we want to engage in conversation that other cities across the world are going to look atcan i use the over it please you want to look at and apply to their musicality. This slide i pulled from the 50 year plan. Look at this guide and go he studied color theory and look at the colors we have our red is very concentrated on the central city corridor. A little bit to the southwest, look to the southeast. I think that in terms of [inaudible] was slow the downtown thank you, sir. That is your time. Idiot like to leave your drawing their. That would be great. Im sorry president fong i miss the gentlemans name would you repeat your name for the commission i dont attribute my name by name is vino does a. They can for your public service. Thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon. My name is george wedding can im the president of the coalition for San Francisco neighborhoods. Very briefly, i would love a definition of what the both groups consider equity. That would be very important. Neighborhoods as definitions tend to change. The other thing, the Economic Vitality mentioned. This is going to be a real game changer as you change roads, transportation, cars, you are also changing the streets, access to businesses. Already, we are being approached consistently by this week the geary corridor. I think what you are going to find is youre going to have intensive outreach. The groups i represent are very upset already about what is happening locally. They are not looking forward. Theyre looking at whats happening to the neighborhoods and they dont like it. They dont like what happened on Mission Street. They dont like what is going on right now. So, anything you are going to do to push forward you are going to have to do a really good job to get people to accept what is happening. Because all i hear is negativity. So, with that, the last thing is money. Obviously, after taxes constantly you want money. For these plans more and more money for transportation. Asking people for more and more money. Property taxes. Tax sales, you name it. The question is, how much are you reallyare these people getting for what they are paying . The current person should be getting about 10,000 dollars in services a year for their taxes. Theyre not getting it. Thank you. Your time is up. Next speaker, please. If anyone else wishes to address the policy body fill out a speaker card for us. Thank you. , puberty. 27 years ago South Beach Marina apartments began that neighborhood is like the first neighborhood of these last the first neighborhood in new modern buildings. What were going eastern neighborhood of a general much of the eastern neighborhood plan that was settled eight years ago, how much is that still relevant . How much hit the mark . How much of what happened because of the last couple of years of economic boom has kind of reduced that to dust . Its hard to go into the future. Its hard to have communities here. Look at this meeting and i came here just because of this meeting and how many people do we have in the city you want to Community Engagement is tough. You have Community Engagement, the caravelle right now the communities is upset about that. Im upset about our new articulated buses, 65, 67, 72. When you take a bus use it near the driver and listened to that rattle draft. I can hear the rattle in the back of the bus did so were having problems that we speak here. It does can be a work in progress. What we want is to a healthy community. We want less stress. What we are setting up is a whole new plan and i am saying that south beach is never really become a community. It misses the aspect of community. What a community is a group of people that come together. You could you dont walk your dog and your push a baby carriage, its hard to meet people. Its hard to be on the streets. There is a missing of community. We have to go outside the box to get that. 2 min. Is slap thank you. Any additional Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. What kind of pingpong back and forth if you dont mind. Commissioner antonini i try to keep this brief. These are some of the things i said last week but i think its worth bringing it up again. The first thing is i think we need some joint notification of the two commissions on major issues of [inaudible] mta or from planning particularly with reference to planning where we have larger commercial developments, which will generate traffic and transit as opposed to housing which is generally much lower relatively speaking. So, whatever we can do about it a memo at least ahead of time and its a major change, maybe it should be somehow calendared. If the commissioners [inaudible] the public is always coming to us complaining about mtas and im sure the reverse happens with you guys regarding planning issues. So thats the person get the second thing i want to bring up a couple of issues on bikes. I dont need an answer today, but we see a lot of bicycles without how much. I thought it was a law. I never see any enforcement of that but this adds to the severity of accidents when someone is hit even at a slow speed if they dont have a helmet. I think that needs to be enforced. The other thing that seems counterintuitive is we spent a lot of money to create separate bike lanes and separate bike streets. The classic example is upper market will be gradedapparel quiet street perfect for bicycles and they still ride up and down market upper market, which is very dangerous because you have cars moving a relatively high speeds with curbs and are not expected to see a bicycle. We need some enforcement not only for drivers but also for bikers were so no notification that no rights beyond this point. Please use corbett and that would be what id like to see. Then, thereve been a lot of complaints about the not too much can happen on masonic yet but its one of the few arteries that exist for motorists to go west in the middle of the city. I am not sure why some of the bikes baker wasnt what that is impossible because it parallels masonic for much of the way. Its a lot wider. The other thing about last week i think is important is the turn indicators at downtown where you have a separate turn signal for walkers. A separate turn signals for right turns. It works very well. I mean, people can get across safely the motorist can make the right turns without having to sit there and try to squeeze between pedestrians and this only leads to accidents because people try to get in as quickly as they can. The others, left turns, coming off of fillmore and turning onto lombard looking into the sun is very dangerous. There should be no pedestrians at the time youre making a left turn. Because you cant see them. I am glad to hear youre doing some longterm planning but jiggly with reference to working with other agencies and subways in particular because we live on a narrow peninsula. People from the east bay north bay and peninsula by necessity, have to travel through San Francisco whether they want to are not. That topic is not going to go away. Its always going to be there. Until they bite crossing or some alternate weeks, could we have to really buildout we had to really look at transportation in its own right of way because all were going to do is add more buses just clog up the streets even get subways are the most realistic way to go and maybe we can somehow work with our leaders in washington work rate a better dialogue with the congress to get more funding for where its critically needed in this city. So, that is a view of the things i was thinking about. I am gladthe other thing is, i know theres a lot of talk about you have an increase of people who are not using individual cars and that is probably to get i dont have any doubt that is the case, but you want to make sure youre not selfselecting out people who have cars, which often time his families with children who will avoid living in San Francisco because it so difficult to have a car, drive, park. I mean we have to address the entire population not just this patient of everyone not having a car and i think we have to be equal in all ways and the more nice transportation we get in its own right away the more people are going to use it and not use cars. Effective sit on a bus and take two hours to get somewhere in the city is not going to happen very often. I think thats the key to the whole thing. The other thing is you spoke briefly about the online challenge thats created by all these people buying everything online. Means more deliveries and would be the case before where they make one delivery to a store and then the pedestrian the buyer would have to make it to the store. Now they dont make it out of their desk. Its not really good for them in terms of exercise, but also its not very good for us. It looks like the transit of the future but perhaps we can find a way to reverse it or encourage the use of our stores both local and formula retail by actually purchasing from them rather than supporting something that requires more trucks. The other thing thats important when you talk about pdr which is a big issue with us, i think we have to look to relocate pdr, or support pdr. Because that just adds more problems when they have to take their product and drive it through narrow streets in neighborhoods that are typically small streets often with a lot of residential. I mean, we should encourage them to move closer to 101 so their access is easier rather than trying to squeeze them into a place where they really dont fit. We dont use rail that much anymore and i think thats important as we look at projects in the future. Talking about saving pdr good lets save it but put it where it makes sense. So, thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. Jim and im sorry. Just to but at my naivete im not so familiar with the term pdr eduction distribution repair. A classic car autobody shop very good. Thats the term we dont really talk too much about over here. So is it manufacturing uses which we used to call it very good. Thank you for the clarification and personnel insure the mta board with say how happy i am this mentor i think its important i think a lot of good from it. But that chairman fong has suggested and i agree the backandforth. The other thing someone made a comment about new york has done this exercise and i think mip level to find out what went well and what went poorly and an executive summary. I dont [inaudible] but that might be helpful as we begin the plan the Public Outreach. Additionally like that available i forgot who said that reference new york but i think thats best practices are a good fit. Thank you. I will start. Thanks. Im happy we are here obviously coming from planning and being on mta we talk about these things all the time. I had a question by the transportation elements and am happy to hear were finally looking at that i get i know the Housing Element but he has to be updated every 40 good weather any guidelines oh pound of frequent viewers. Update participation element and happily maybe thought about when we look at the housing almondim not suggesting bundled in the transportation element looking at those sidebyside . Because the howling Housing Element is where people are the living . Real quickly kill kelly again. There is no prescription by state law for the tobacco to update the transportation almond. Thats a local option at the housing almond is the only one that has that requirements. But, i think if i alluded to before, this is an opportunity to look at other overarching policies like housing policy that goes along with the transportation discussion. I would encourage we look as we look at Housing Elements we look at the transportation in the future because especially the southwest southeast part of the city grow and the southern waterfront, its going to be become more and more important those two documents online. Absolute. As i mentioned us in planning. I think well get at some of that they are trying to get to by using scenarios to test different about that in one case we want to behave the smallest ecological footprint that ashley might have more to do with access. Getting things to work people are as much as it has do with mobility building morteza get one of those things for example, might be prioritizing and building of a couple schools is out these San Francisco. So kind the School District into this conversation is important i think were going to try to reach as many those kind of relevant babies is as we can in this conversation ax you make me think about talk about job and commercial vitality but the issue of Public Open Space and public facilities and how we make sure those factor into this larger than crosby people do need to be able to get to but i transit. The school by transit. Especially now more and more people are sending their kids to schools closer to them. So making sure that is part of the dialogue. The other point about your bringing things to people could i know this is harder to engage but if you can engage with the ridesharing services. They have incredible Data Available to them and they dont want to share their individual user data we should not ask that they know patterns either everything from whether to time of day to where the most frequent pickup and dropoff locations are for various services. I think we can engage those because for example in stockcard delivers for pyrite and safely at all the different grocery stores. Having them part of the dialogue so we can figure out maybe they already are serving areas that are underserved and how do we better facility that. I feel like the issue often about the people doing transit and theres lots of research waited to convenience. People do the most convenient option. It is convenient to god they will drive it is convenient to walk thats convenient to make transplant services of the next of convenience and People Choose them because of that. So we can figure out the patterns. To a certain extent i think we spent we try to force people to have certain patterns or behavior could we they actually know what peoples patterns and behaviors are maybe that something without checked mail sub Demographic Data around their user base. That would be useful. Another thing i was thinking about in terms of equity the environmental sustainability oh idea of immunity we think about, receipts we like a bus stop apart. Were looking at that with our moving forward plan but think about generally, from every place in the city is there a standard for how many blocks you from transit it is out to the community. It could be other forms of getting around but looking at how we can if that is of value or something we want as part of this larger process. Then, finally, obviously the issue of self driving cars thats another thing that intersects into this conversation and engaging people that are related to that because thats the next phase of the Rideshare Services we did not anticipate. So thinking about that could honestly rideshare taxis also should be part of that conversation as well. In that particular point about how can we maximize them for the first and last mile connection with the more traffic on the road better self driving. Exactly. Yes thank you. And commissioner moore i hope this is the first of many meetings. Because i think the nexus between transportation and land use is so obvious it took about 5 min. But this group to talk and there were questions which showed the incredible necessity for us to work more closely together. As far as the vision plan, i think you are laying out some incredibly ambitious and wonderful framework. The question i really have and its a question of technique, are you encouraging us to not use the present as a starting point but look far into the future that is very difficult to do. Particularly, when this commission every thursday since in the crossfire of what is not working that is indeed a significant gap between proper planning and the overlay of effective Transportation Plan. Thats not a question of saying that youre ineffective. However, the city Transportation Planning at least for the us for San Francisco the growth and changes by far outpaced anything we can do so we are dealing with a downside of what is not working. Why we embrace for example the growth and the positive growth, in eastern neighbors and the changes every week and there is not one thursday where it doesnt happen. All the neighborhoods the Neighborhood Network etc. Standing in front of us and saying, on this you start taking transportation before seriously and changes and then use implementation, we are not planning. So youre having the citizenry which is basically seriously disappointed and affected by whats not working and you have great transportation ideas and implementation. However, the two are not about now youre asking us, and back to my initial question, how are you how can we do it not to think about the present where we want to go and how we get there and do vision planning, which does not take the present into consideration . Well i do not mean to to say exclude the present condition and in fact, i think both the mta mta have a lot of informational current gaps. We should take that as a starting point. But when i describe the use of scenario planning for example the first scenario is a baseline scenario not that we wont do anything else but will do kind of what we been doing. Baby at a light rail line every decade or will add some buses at the rate we been doing it. What does that look like in comparison to narrowing those gaps and doing with the new growth we anticipate . Thats the starting point for this scenario discussion and then i think we look at what does it take to do some more aggressive policies that will narrow the gap . And what do those investment implications it were those landuse change implications. I do not mean to say were going to exclude the president i think that is actually the beginning of the conversation but until you reach out and divided a desired future and then start back drafting by decade getting closer to the present, you dont have way of necessarily changing the current trajectory we are on. I like the linear and interlinked thinking of what your link of your being hijacked, though by the new economy which has become more obviously in the last year and a half. How do you deal with these unforeseen attacks on the more predictable way youre protecting Transportation Planning . One way is to not try to be a slave 2. 4 cast either in population were jobs reading types of jobs. Instead to use ranges. For example, josh w who is your today and Scott Edmonson on our staff have done a lot of detailed work on landuse projections. Taking into account the growth in recent uptick in the kind of employment youre talking about. Would like to project that trans outburst of the more traditional trend. I think theres a way to play with some of these variables to serve triangulate on with the future actions might be. Thats one example. We dont anticipate this current spike to continue on its current trajectory forever in a 50 year period, but it is certainly get to come out of this with a vision that allows for adjustments to conditions as they change. Just one more thought. As you were speaking, to keep an active neighborhood involvement i think will be critical to really be on target of where deficiencies had problems are. Last week we had ms. Hester here in front of us who kept reminding us that all of the Transportation Planning that she has seen mostly occurs as if that San Francisco is a nontopography city, and she urges us as Planning Commissioners to bring that into the discussion. Because it has a huge affect on how the systems work, where the issues of accessibility and neck with your. I just want to throw that in. She is not here but i know she would probably want that to be heard by you as well. If i could add one point. The point about axis been so important and being the counterpart to mobility, is there been studies not in San Francisco but other parts of the country, where people have examined sort of the dense mixeduse transit orientated type of development get one with a rail transit, one without in the greater dc area. The one without the rail for nearly the same number of trip reductions as the one with a real experienced and thats because roughly 5six people strips are on foot by bicycle when you have all the services nearby. So, i do want to keep expanding the conversation went transit lines and wiggled and how do we think about neighborhoods, to third but first i want to say great presentation. Im so pleased to be here because i think the released intersection is strong. Mr. Kelly, to your point thats what resonates with me as well. I know my neighborhood, i can get everything i need from a 95 of my trips on foot in the make such a big difference. I get to work on transit or on bike. For all my other trips i walk or link them with transit or bike. I think that really makes a huge difference as we get people used to that idea coupled to your point, with a Delivery Services that we now live, so those things i cant want to i could choose to have them delivered if i dont have access to a vehicle. I just want to say, thank you, to both the planning staff and the mta staff because whenever i look at these mode sharing statistics i realize that our work has really helped us dodgy about. When i look at these new commuters that weve added since 2006, and the small relatively small percentage of them that drive alone and i dont know what page thats him. Page 19. The relatively small percentage that drive alone, we could barely accommodate that percentage on our city streets] so the fact we have so many people who chosen to take transit to bike and to walk has completely saved our bacon in the city otherwise would be it complete and total gridlock on our streets other than the authority had more writers on muni and rush out. Those people that walk and bike, thank you very much people who walk and bike because thats helping a lot. Also just want to say i traveled a lot and ive not been in a city where transit is not overcrowded at rush hour. So, if we think thats a reasonable expectation breast to have as a city that would be the one city in the world that manages it. We have to remember how important it is to get a lot of options, not just the commute trips but for the errand trips. I dont will he have a lot of other input because when i look back at the projects we have done i know we get a lot of concern and we get a lot of push back as were introducing projects, but i think the proof is in what happens a year down the line or two years im on. I use my own commute as a really good example. I take a flying five to work. The change in that bus line and the four years that ive been using it is dramatic. I get to work so much more quickly, so much more reliably and i know the growth on outline has increased and we have kept up with it. We can do it for that line. So we can do it for all ones could we can do it for speedier. Would doing it permission and yes, there is a lot of concern when we make big changes such as the one we may commission it but again the group is going to be in what happens to those 65,000 riders on that mission line every day. I think what were going to see them overseeing and continuing to see, is that they like the changes and they appreciate being able to get to work get to ahrens, take that corridor much more quickly much more reliably. So, i think that the Community Involvement is huge. But it can be so hard to capture the voices of the community who are pleased with the changes went to the bank and look forward to the changes as opposed to only hearing the people who dont want the changes and are upset with it. Thats what i think we have to look to our exceedingly smart and well trained staff who know what they are doing. Identical to mr. Kellys point, the Planning Department doing all of this trip modeling and all of this planning modeling and knowing whether the man is going to come, ive seen similar maps from the mta. We go with the job growth is good we know with the population growth is. We note that link them up and weve got to get rid of the weak points both in our bus system a pedestrian system and bike system for the people can feel comfortable in all those modes. Thank you. I think is a good start i think were making really Good Progress could i also just want to clarify that commissioner antonini for helmet use a believe its only under 16. When you see somebody like me riding without a helmet bashing not breaking the law. It just my personal choice to ride without a helmet. But you are right. Somebody under 60 should be wearing a helmet. Thank you. Commissioner johnson so, im super excited to be heard. Everyone on the Planning Commission has seen an advocate for this hearing and super excited when it got put on the calendar and im also super excited i know we have 12 today but i hope [inaudible] 14 and i think all of you would be willing again to be together [inaudible]. Opportunity come back and see the outcomes of some of the process. So, just a couple thoughts. When i first asked this hearing a long time ago, i had a very different vision of what it was first i had no business it was sort of like i came from working in a development where things were more whole list. You just talk about transit and equity and open space and all these things. It which is the same conversation. When we had staff coming to cac and later chair of ocii commission was from all the agencies. Was really this demarcation that i got appointed to planning and it was like i was real confused. I felt like there were certain things we cannot talk about baker jack about transit. Thats mta. You tackle can talk about streets. Thats dpw. We dont know it was very challenging. Yet we got yelled out about everything. I was like what have i got myself into. So, when i first asked for this hearing was more about very prosaic things like i would still love to see i know that we are moving certain lines good theres moving four. The transit Improvement Project at one, five, 10 your map of where the lines are going to be added work capacity will be improved. Because when we get people asking about eastern neighborhoods were other neighborhoods, its good to be able to say well, with moving this project today because we have to at some point make some progress and concrete has to go on the run at some point but in five years, here is the plan for the transit access will look like to be great to have that as part of our packets per decisions. Rather than relying on what individual commissioners can glean from the news or research on their own. As commissioners is our job to know that sort of information. So when i first started off asking for this hearing i just had a list of questions like that. Sort of request that i think would be helpful but as time has gone on and i continued to ask the listing hearing my thinking had you called on what it was i thought we could accomplish. Im really happy to hear this actually process now so not one hearing to talk to ourselves were a bunch of time and then nothing else. But i would love to see is i actually do think its possible for us to think about the longterm. I think its possible to do it in awake to our daily work. For example, we recently passed pdm. When i would love to see is what is the research telling us about what are the measures and metrics in pdm are the most effective theres a list of like 50 Different Things you get developers to sort of comply with pdm. Which commendations of them are the most impactful spirit because as a Planning Commission, those measures are the ones that we agitate for and those conditions of approval for projects and we set a standard for ourselves could. Im so sorry. Those become conditions of approval for projects and then we said set a standard for so in every project that becomes the thing we start asking for. A great example that today even bepdm is commissioner Richards Will agitate for additional car share spaces. Thats great. I agree with that. I like it but what does the Research Tell Us about additional car share spaces actually helping to shift mode share its a nice thing to happen would great to note it actually helps the situation so we can know if thats the thing we should be pushing for with every project. So, thats an example of how my thinking had shifted on what i can accomplish by agitating for 14 people reading each others air for two hours and sitting up. That sort of one thing. I think in addition to sort of things like that which i hope will come as a part of asking the public what are their thoughts, i think that we can organize our future conversations by first planning for the growth we already know is happening. I think, you know, talk about pdm and how can we organize our thinking about what is the most effective parts about pdm is great also talking about other things related to pdm. For example, parking i know mta has a whole sort of staff that thinks about parking. Well, what can we inform the Planning Department and Planning Commission about that because the project large and small, we are eliminating parking in our way of getting to that will share shift but i want to know, is that effective or are we just making people lives harder setting ourselves up to get jo that more . I would like to know that. I think planning is on the part of the conversation we have about planning for the growth withers change the retirement can see the future but its fuzzy and we dont know exactly whats going to happen. Director borden made a great point bringing up collaborating with the new economy and convenient services. I think thats great. I think we should do it. I think we should be talking about what parts of our physical infrastructure can change to make that it seems like a permanent lifestyle shift work within our city. I also think we need to be careful about being too specific about those types of services because many of the ones the name that came up those companies are profitable and may not be around when the funding environment changes. Theyre not making any money right now. There just supported by their current funding environment. We need to make sure that we are both taking what is permanent about the change in separating it from what is transitional transitory. I think that is something we can continue to have a conversation about personally, maybe people dont agree, think having of us appears during those thoughts in person boxes get there rather than going between commissions. Thats just what i believe. Then, i think theres a whole other conversation and part of that last thing i would say is, in keeping with the growth we can see, there is collaboration with the data we can get right from other services or other data teams wrestle think theres some blue sky thinking were going to have to do to then promote the change we want. For example, going back to parking. I do believei want the data on iti do believe reducing parking i think weve seen research on it does shift mode share because reducing parking makes it harder to other car people find other ways to get around. That also brings up all other thing about what do we do once that becomes a permanent change, and its not transitory anymore, that sort of a shift people made they figured out how to get around, what do we do with the parking that we have right now . With the adaptive reuse for Street Parking for underground parking, for on ground parking that weve approved in various buildings what we need to do with planning code and building go to make it easier to adaptive reuse . Parking is just one example that. I think if i had to those were three conversations i think it happened simultaneously and i hope that what will happen is the public can be guided to have a conversation with that structure so its not just what do you think thats really challenging for people. It is what do you think in these three different buckets would you like to know now that you can be confident and comfortable that change is coming within your neighborhood . What you think about how are we planning around the things you already know about the buildings you see coming up how are we planning for how youre going to get around that change happens in the nearterm and longterm, the sky, would you think we should be doing . I think will get much more helpful feedback in that way. I have a lot more i didnt get back to my original concepts of us sitting around today i have a lot more specific asks. The one, five, 10 year plan for mta Growth Strategy given lines and whatnot. I think might be helpful for me to give that to staff and see start getting those maps and checklists and Different Things im asking for i know you guys can put together. And sort of leave it with the big thinking like that. I am hoping ill asked the question of the staff. So, what is the plan for the public process . When are you going to actually start scheduling charrettes and things like that spirit went you think it would be helpful to have commissioners and directors come back with more feedback . Sure. Thank you. I really appreciate the comments about structuring our thinking and hoping to find the right balance between what peoples existing realities are and how we start to engage in conversation about the longterm. So, for the public process we hope to go out for our reach in Early September the september timeframe. So, we would have a series of open house sessions with activities that are providing some level of background for the public. Again, whats happening on the ground today. What do people think about the future. What do they think about the overall goals and framework that we talked about for this overall effort . Then, start to do so they work to understand what are peoples existing experiences, understand the demographics we are reaching were not reaching. Someone made a comment earlier about equity and what is that definition of equity really understanding that is going to be very important for helping a shape our thinking as well. We would do a couple of rounds of outreach. The first is much more to understand as the public want to participate knowing that this is our overarching structure for the process. Its going to be over a couple years. I walked through each of the different plans and projects to example being the transportation element and mobile studies, and those will also have associated outreach but for the overall vision that is one we are we really need to engage as you said the public, in blue sky thinking and so we would have a series of stakeholder meetings to inform how we structure the conversation and go out to the public, collective Community Groups and partnerships and so we would have several rounds to do that. I would also informed as gil mentioned, i think about how we structure the scenarios. So, what different types of scenarios with informed those conversations as well and to also incorporate people who are maybe not in the details of when you sent transportation but as folks mention, folks representing the new economy, folks representing technology, folks representing community organizations. So we are not just hearing our own selves talk about this because we spent a lot of time in this work and in this world but were actually hearing new voices to the conversation. That we will challenge our thinking in different ways. So i hope that gives some flavoring outline of what we would do. Be dick i just jump in on that. I think the basic structure of the Public Outreach overall correct me if im wrong, but follows more heres what were thinking heres what existing conditions are and what you think and in january, we start more intensively with a scenario planning. So it may be a good thing for us to check in back with maybe individual commissions late this year after we hear the results of the fall sessions and then maybe a joint session in the spring or early summer next year to hear about the results of the scenario planning exercises. Im thinking out loud, but the point is the fall is more about here is where current thinking heres what the Current Conditions are. What do you think . Then we get into more of the nuts and bolts of the visioning in january. Assad asking for the other joint hearings in jan. Thats what you are saying. [laughing] put on the Events Calendar now. Because the calendar is so full anyway. Yes, thank you so much. Well be happy to be here think for agitating for this meeting. I have three awfully quick points. One, has to do with our [inaudible] and i am wondering i know those are great deal of thought and effort put into the rh ran around the smart city challenge. Im wondering if any of those effect on what is applicable here or useful. You dont have to answer that now but it seems like something to think about considering how big and effort went into it and the idea of getting activating different parts of the community and neighborhoods into thinking longterm and into the future but how we can leverage all the Great Technology and minds we have any yet. Thats just a quick thought on Public Outreach. My second point has to do with accessibility. More specifically for people with disabilities in our community. Specifically, looking towards the new technology that we are seeing. Those both in respect to transportation but other things as well. As many of you know, its very challenging legally is very challenging. Sometimes when new technologies and industries emerge to get them to comply with accessibility laws and to make sure they understand that people would disabilities need access as well. We are experiencing is really heavily in most apparently with the pnc in our community we want to encourage innovation and forward thinking about a transportation but we want to make sure the communities that are necessarily going to be very present Community Outreach events that theyre taking care of your when we put in car share spots the crusher companies were contracting have successful vehicles so people with wheelchairs can access those good otherwise, a lot of those people are forced into making position of owning private vehicle and put the stress on our system. I know theres lots of jurisdictional challenges with this. Were seeing that now with [inaudible] som hoping to get it is powerful commissions and agencies and the wonderful city staff we have, we can really focus on getting some equitable legislation with respect to access. So my final point is a shadow to the south beach committed summary said on the Public Record was not a community and thats my committed it such an active community and i love it but its a wonderful place and a good example where transportation was putting totally earlier in a different phase of the community naturally developed into a very full active community would also suggest rotation. Thats my final point and thanks again. Thank you. Commissioner richards thank you. I also was hankering for this joint Commission Hearing and backing up commissioner johnson because one of the things were making decisions on every week really affect everybodys everyday lives. Now and in the future could i mentioned last week context could i took a look at the work context and i put it into i guess what were talking about today in terms of planning could context for decisions have to scenario planning which it looks like the contractor do and have done. I really love to see the next hearing with the scenarios actually are. Im sitting up your thinking, be without the scenario plan if you got 50 years it needs to include deliveries by air but by vehicle. I really want to see with those look like at a high level. Capacity planning which is where we are today and will get from the citizens every week especially in the eastern neighborhoods, i cant get to get the crowded. I get run over by these cars. More cars on the road. Now im in the future and id love to see from a capacity planning point of view in case reports maybe im asking for too much herewe always get this project is served by these temp different lines within a quarter market if we know theres going to be additional lines to contemplate or added that would be helpful for us to also understand because were making decisions with more context around where things are dont get were putting this is can equate a problem or not . The other thing i think were not doing a good job his integration plans and integration planning, to me, is jobs, housing, business population transportation linkage. So, how does this integrate . We talked about the mission into changes in looks great for the riders for some people and cars. I do tweet once where i got stuck in traffic jam on shotwell street because i could not turn and not knowing where i was going and actually went out to look at project site in bernal. When im hearing from people are Business Owners on Mission Street is my business is down. Did you take that into consideration the impact in business would be in terms of the modemodes of getting to my business i can does this in san mateo. He and his wife come up for dinner on Mission Street by the goods and services on mission is to get a went to the dentist last week and he says i thought building there because its such a hassle. Easily other kind of integration testing when he took hold ourselves accountable for. The other one is also business and i know there has been meetings with the Small Business commission. If you have goods and Services Within walking distances, as vice director brinkman been said, you never need to get into a car. However the retail environment is changing specially my neighborhood. It businesses holding right and left are we apprentice really hot. Web services are things i cant get raised will go and buy stuff are my office did not go to office depot south of market rent that it delivered by google or whatever it is. Thats also i think another thing we need to look at. We are probably 50,000 ft. 2 of retail space vacant my neighborhood alone. If unable to fill that up and consent of good variety of businesses and goods and services are would never want to go to office. Its not particularly enjoyable expected i love to by mike l paper in the neighborhood. The other one is Contingency Planning. Im not sure i heard a lot about what were doing around there. I know mr. Kelly said were doing ranging forecast, but id love to understand if we look back and causally get as commissioner moore said complaints about the eastern neighborhood. We see more of a linear growth in eastern neighborhood over 25 years. We got a significant amount of growth in asia could not sure we did a lot of Contingency Planning around what if the worstCase Scenario, base Case Scenario and almost correct but we have disclosed any years. What would we do i sat with the potrero votes in the Mayors Office around having interim shuttles line 11 or Something Like a like but synthetic from potrero down to mission bay i think those are the kinds of things that would engender trust in the public and the people have faith in this process if we knew and were to say, if this certain milestone gets met then this is what were going to do. But, heres what would you do and work in a plow forward as can be advised that i do think is what people want to hear. People want to it we do have some type of planning process that does trip the red light goes on blinking when we see things not going exactly as we thought. The other thing i would like to see our, in terms of interim policies that we have in the and use, there are things we are doing that sometimes i get troubled every week especially on parking. We have lots of large project authorization special user neighborhood resident 300 unit we up to 70 Parking Spaces and i kind of go, heck, were inducing demand and i know families need cars and i know we do it by number of bedrooms but we are is the data to tell us thats actually what we need . Where are we going . As commissioner johnson said to do families take rideshare do they have other modes of transportations. What is the neighborhood i dont understand. I think beating that drum quite a bit. Then this car ownership and car use. I say, give me the data on the census tract with her asking for additional parking we have these what i think are excessive amounts of Parking Spaces did you see the ownership rate is lower than the spaces youre trying to provide for the number of units. But the heck is going on. When you talk to developers they say well people want driving there just storing their cars. Weve have car storage. Persist parking. Only been up to napa for when choosing once the market you get the stories how much of that soap is real and what do we believe . That also would help me make better decisions and loading an unlooked the sleep we get joint policy with that project 7 1 currently on the drawing board where in a major intersection going onto the bay bridge on harrison street 390 3 91st st. They have the loading on the outside of the building where you can have your uber dropoff and your people moving in and out of the building with their couches and furniture and boxes. Right in the lane predisposed to be loading and unloading we have dropoff talk about living an entire apartment. Policy were trying to get to somewhat is but the loading on the inside of the building. These are policy directions i think we want to get to. What is loading on the outside of that building to circulation we dont know but were kind of guessing time to ask that works and can wear using standards like uhaul van back into a onebedroom apartment. Certain people i dimensions. Actually trying to get some rid of putting spaces and have intro voting that i think would help the situation. Im not sure because i dont have data. Its all more gut feeling anecdotal. The other one i think is a lot of physical constraints around actual print circulation at we put the driveway . What does it dowould visit you for the rest of the ecosystem . Some of the things i worry about. I would like to see bands use decisions with transportation policy driving where we want to go. If we would have a target of this amount of cars this amount walked disco land use decisions there to incense and entice people to do that rather than to a finger in one. Weve got a letter from market octavia asking for pocket reductions in the public which were potentially the zoning high. They say they want less cars that. Those are the kind of things that i think we should listen to to see this cac is doing an analysis on should be lowered in our parking required. I think whatever we do with the decisions we make id like to understand the impact of them on where we want to go. Thanks. Commissioner hillis thank you for this incredible opportunity. Really really complex your forward thinking commissioner johnson and i am willing to get together as often as you folks can tolerate us. [laughing]. I know youre all an inspiration at your service and commitment to the city is exceptional. I for one am deeply grateful for all the work that you do all the long hours. When we have our long meetings, you keep me going because i understand youre doing this every week and it certainly something to admire and appreciate. Thank you all for your service. I know that i, for one, would be really excited to meet with you whenever you make the imitation could even if youd like to get together for lunch and debate helmet, commissioner, or anything else, i would please reach out to me and lets go have a beer. But to talk about all the stock. I do speak a bit of acronym so, i understand things like pdm and pdr. I think that we can certainly make our conversations more accessible when we try to spell these words out so that the viewing public can get a good understanding of what we are talking about. I know the Transportation Demand management is what you mean and i think that its reasons like that that we need to having these conversations all the time to inform one another what were doing with pdr. And what have you. Looking forward to learning all that youre dealing with and thinking about particularly being influenced and inspired by sp375 and plan bay area and wonderful efforts to get planning and transportation together i could not be more excited. The thing im most excited to talk about and to share in this train of thought here is the concept of equity. Thinking about how our city stays accessible for everyone who wants to be here. I come up for one, cannot here in the 70s who my father brought us a family of six. Is gone on to have children could ive got Something Like five or six nieces and nephews just on my side. My parents have since retired. Im the lastim the only person in my family that can afford to live here in San Francisco. A lot of it has to do with the fact that by waiting i have chose the children because we are confident we would be forced out. So, i would encourage all of our decisions and all of our thinking to be built around how are we going to make it so that our family members, but just whatever business smashing and whatever is happening in the economy can stay here, but own family members want to be a good soul i dont have to own a car is a riesling had to buy a car a couple years ago to take care of my family. And have them here. so we can all be together and have less dependency on a car. I dont think that any must have a vision of what did you say director antonini . We dont have a vision of everyone not having a copy i think were trying to do is make our streets accessible for everyone whether you have a car or bicycle would depend on the bus or what have you. In that way, when we achieve a city thats more equitable and inclusive, we certainly become more sustainable as director richards was talking about hoping to aspire to one thats more sustainable and one of course economically thriving. One of the wonderful things i love to hear i love it when director ryan talks because he reminds me of one of my uncles because we both hail from detroit. Thats a city that has gone the wrong way with respect to the dispensing back now im proud to saybut went the wrong direction and its a very affordable to live in detroit but economy is terrible. I know you folks are walking this balance act and i admire you for it and am grateful the work you do. But the capitalist economy and the free market doesnt thrive on equity doesnt want equity serves the judges and the bottom line is not equity driven. Its about my kids getting the best return on your investment. So, your job, i think i like to help with that job, is to as a Government Agency government body, is to do what we can to actually put that lens of equity onto this free market and make sure our city stays inclusive and the one that we all grew up in and love and cherish and yes, we would love to see lowrise developments and be more paris like if you will but the dirty secret about paris its bring this suburbs the people that can afford downtown where they work have been forced to live and it saturated with traffic on the outside and theres choking their economy and environment is getting worse and worse all the time. There are obviously social ills that come with that that we are seeing play out. So, this is all terrifically huge conversation and we certainly see at least i see, my role as a director on this body, to make sure we are looking at transportation to achieve a balance of equitable city thats also economically thriving and also environmentally sustainable and all the decisions you make help you think about that. The one thing im eager to talk more about if we were to meet again and over within just a beer, i would like to talk about what kind of decisions are we making on a regular basis project by project and are we orientating the project to transit . We orientated to the pedestrian are we making sure that people who really do need a car have access to one because we try. My wife and i tried to give up a copy of we are spending 100 every week renting a car from one of the peer to peer networks. It wasnt working out your we were spending more money than we would take root after just own a car. Weve got a ways to go. Im confident we can do it with enough passion and commitment will have clearly demonstrated in your shirt on copper we can get there so looking forward to all these conversations going for. That. Commissioner wu i just want to add a few thoughts since we want to get out of your time for lunch. They can begin to for everyone for your comments and for bringing us together. I have one specifically on outreach. I think his dedication to equity is really exciting to see it named as a goal and an integral part of our work. I think outreach and equity is quite difficult actually if you ask people what do you think equity, is so vague it so broad its truly hard. For me, it is about what our people daily lives like in San Francisco we talked a bit about that today. For low income people in San Francisco the words they go every day . Two they need to go to take their kids to school . Two they need to get groceries and is the transit project or office or residential project getting bills making their lives easier or harder . I think those are the kinds of questions we can ask people to really unearth what theyre doing lives in San Francisco are. And how to make it easier for them. My second request is more technical one. I have been watching the transit equity baseline from afar. I think theres some really great work thats been done already. The analysis and strong but how do we integrate that analysis and decisionmaking projects, both for both the mta board and for ourselves. Thanks. Thank you for this meeting and, present and this is greg i was told some of the new having drumming and they were excited. Asked how long do we have that as far as i s the first time its been done for some time. They thought it was a great idea. Just a couple quick things. I think the outreach is one be one of the most important pieces. The joint outreach because i can say to director ramos is going as a parent i found having children is not really an economically rational decision [laughing] at this point. At this point im committed so a lot of decisions for me revolve around expense time and convenience and what can work. One of the things i do know is for working parents and for small Business Owners, because if that to run the shop, it can be hard to get to some meetings remain just a on top of whats going on. One of the things to chairman nolans point comparing what new york is and what we do here in outreach i think would be nice know a little bit about mta has done thats worked with the Planning Commission has done thats what it may be compare notes on that. I know the mta has a survey right now to talk about whats going on and how people want to do their outreach. I think thats a great thing and maybe a little bit more of that. The other thing is, i think as we move forward with this is important to think a little bit about a downturn scenario. Weve had a nice run. Great funding environment. Its not that go on forever. I do know theres going to be next year or next two years that we have some kind of slowdown. Were moderation but either way i feel like its important the that in mind as were throwing out different scenarios. Thank you again inky. Any other comments . Let me wrap up if thats all right. Again, thanks staff in both directors for helping us close this meeting in august the everyone up here. I think is a great opportunity for us to think as futurists and overstaffed thats largely what you do but its a great opportunity here is commissioner moore said i think this is not a hope this is not the first or last of minutes but the first of many in 50 years could to your most comment about downturn, probably big cities like new york, chicago, while they had 100 year advantage of building up transit they probably didnt with their foot off the gas pedal even during economic downturns and kept on which projects going on. Which leads me do some discussion staff hear about longrange planning and while we have all these different agencies and departments and silos which we are good at the ability to think outofthebox and longrange and not get tied down into somebody does i think is important. So, enjoyed all the comments. Obviously theyre all right on. This is a broader first big wide scope meeting but hopefully the next couple meetings we can narrow it down to some tasks in the fall. Again, appreciate everyone for coming and thank you for the public for making comments. Is there anything else on the agenda one i think the Planning Commission is providing once. Right. If theres nothing else the meeting is adjourned. Thank you. [gavel] [adjournment] hi, im corn field and welcome to doing building San Francisco, we are doing a special series, called stay safe, how you can stay in your home safely and comfortable, and we know that an earthquake is coming and there are things that you can do to reduce the effects of the earthquake on your home. Lets take a look at that. Here at the spur urban center on Mission Street in San Francisco talking about staying in your home after an earthquake. I have guests today, pat buscavich and his dog, harvey and david, and both Structural Engineers and we want to talk about things that you might do before an earthquake to your home to make it more likely that your home will be ha bitable after an earthquake, what should we do . Both structural and maybe even important nonstructural things. You hear about how to prepare an earthquake kit and brace your book shelves and water tank and that is important. What you have to be careful is make sure that you are not going the easy things to make yourself feel better. If you have a bad structure, a bad building, then you need to be looking at that and everything that you do to keep your collectables in place is small and compared. If you have taken care of your structure, then there is a lot of stuff that you can do in your house that is nonstructural and your chimney and water tank. Lets talk about what the structural things might be. And he is exactly right. You dont want to make the deck chairs safe on the titanic, it is going down, you are going down, you have to make sure that your house is safe. There are basic things that you need to do including bracing the water heater, not just because of fire hazard but because of the water source and the damage, but basic things are installing anchor bolts, and adding plywood and strapping your beams to column and posts to footings and foundations are really easy things to do and most contractors can do the Building Department is set up to approve this work, and these are things that every home owner should do, and it is a little harder because you have to get a Building Permit and hire a contractor. But you want to be able to after a big earthquake to climb in bed that night and pull the covers up and say i dont have to worry about going to a government shelter. That is the main focus that it is great to have an earthquake kit to be able to bug out for 72 hours. Here is a better idea, stay in your own home and in order to do that you have to be make sure that your structure is okay. If you have a house, the easy things to do with the wood construction is feasible. If you have a renter or you live in a concrete building, you need to talk to the building own , and make sure they have done their Due Diligence and find out what the deficiencies are. When i have looked at damaged buildings,vy seen that a little bit of investment in time and money and structural work provides great dividends. Especially if it is the wood frame, typical house that you can do the things that i was talking about, the anchor and the plywood in the first garage area, you know if you refinanced in the last three years, get some of that savings and it is a really good investment. And the other thing that i try to tell people, earthquake insurance is not the solution to the shelter in place, if there is a big earthquake and your building is damaged, you are not in your house, you may be somewhere else, if you work in the city, it is going to be really hard to commute from sonoma, you want to do what is necessary so that your house is retrofitted and a couple of years of earthquake premium could get you to a level that you could be in the house after a significant earthquake and it may have damage and there is still a shelter in place where you are at home and you are not worried for the government taking care of you and you are living in a place where you can go to work and you want to have your wood frame house is really easy to get to that level. On top of the wood frame house, i mean every wood frame house in the west half of the city have a water tank and the water tank fall over because they are gas fired and start fires. And that is something that you could do for yourself, and for your neighbors and for the whole city is make sure that your water tank is braced. If you look at the studies that are predicting on fires, we are going to have a lot of fires and for every water tank that is braced there is a potential of one less fire that the Fire Department is going to have to fight and we dont want to have any more fires than we need to. So bracing the water heater is the first thing that you want to do. And so easy, and you go online and you google, earthquake, water and heater and you google the sites where you can find the details and you can put them out there on the Hardware Store and you can hire a small contract tore do that for you. That is a couple of hundred bucks, the best investment. If you are in other types of building it is complicated. If you are in a highrise building you just cant anchor your building down because there are no anchor bolts, but at that point, the tenant should be asking questions of the owners and the managers about earthquake preparedness and dont take the easy answer, oh, our building is safe it was designed to code. That is not the right answer, ask the tough questions and see if you can get a report that has been given to you. What is the right question . Will i be able to stay in my home after the expected earthquake . Is that a good question to ask . Yeah, you may be more specific if you talk to the owner, if it is not a recent building, if it is ten or 20 years old see if they had an inspection done and there you will have a written before that will tell you all about the structure. Thanks, pat. Thanks, harvey. And thanks david for joining us and thank you for joining us on or Unfinished Business by Board Members. Members of the board are we good . Item 7, directors report good after