Rights leader john lewis claims that he is not a legitimate president tweeting that lewis is quote, all talk, talk, talk, no action or results. Said trump, if he is such a great civil rights leader, then why did america just elect a giant racist . [ laughter ] after civil rights leader john lewis called donald trump an illegitimate president , incoming chief of staff Reince Priebus claimed that republicans never questioned the legitimacy of president obamas election. And then president obama sighed so hard his hair turned white. [ laughter ] donald trump tweeted about Martin Luther king jr. This morning, saying people should celebrate quote, all the many wonderful things that he stood for. He then quickly logged off before anyone asked him to name one. [ laughter ] he was a doctor. [ laughter ] so [ applause ] medicine. The jr. Implies he had a father. [ laughter ] donald trump met with steve harvey at trump tower on friday. Meanwhile, their toupee and mustache met for a play date. [ laughter and applause ] Donald TrumpsHealth Secretary nominee reportedly invested in a medical company last year, days before introducing legislation directly benefitting the company. Wow, i really think this is going to be the straw that the camel barely notices. [ laughter ] thats my impression of a camel barely noticing. [ laughter ] no. Is it . Was that a straw . Yeah, it was nothing. [ light laughter ] because this is a problem for the twohumpers. [ laughter ] you cant the first humps blocks the second one. Maybe a straw on the second hump. [ light laughter ] hey, every now and then we overstay our welcome on a bit. [ laughter ] according to a new report, 67 of millennials use netflix, which must really piss of whoever owns the account theyre using. [ laughter ] whos guest . And finally, according to a new study, 47 of restaurants in los angeles mislabel their sushi as the wrong fish, for example, this is not tuna. [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ] he is cnns chief washington correspondent. A dear friend of our show, jake tapper is with us this evening. [ cheers and applause ] from the new film, the founder, a fantastic actor and very, very funny man, bj novak is joining us. [ cheers and applause ] and he is the guitar player from the punk ledgends the sex pistols, and his memoir, lonely boy is out now. Steve jones is here tonight as well. [ cheers and applause ] so we have a fantastic show. Before we get to that, president ial transitions are historically a time to unite the country and heal the wounds of the election, so naturally, donald trump has used the time to unleash a series of personal insults against a civil rights icon. For more on this, its time for a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] seth elections are stressful times. When theyre over, you want to relax, take some deep breaths, maybe listen to some smooth jazz to calm yourself down. Instead the trump transition has been like listening to a spooky version of pop goes the weasel that youd hear in a horror movie. Da da da da da dada dada da da da da da twitter [ laughter ] democrats have obviously been extremely frustrated by allegations of russian interference in our election, and that frustration came to a head on friday when georgia congressman and icon of the civil rights movement, john lewis, said that he does not see donald trump as a quote, legitimate president. Now there were some democrats and republicans who disagreed in a respectful way. But as usual, trump took it to a whole new, super racist level. This is from donald trump. Congressman john lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart, not to mention crime infested, rather than falsely complaining about the election results. All talk, talk, talk, no action or results. Sad. Seth all talk, no action . John lewis was getting beaten by police for protesting for voting rights, while you were starting your first failed business. [ laughter ] and if youre wondering if its racist to assume lewis district is quote, crime infested and falling apart just because hes black, the answer is a hard yes. But of course, as usual, trump isnt even being consistent. He felt a little differently about lewis district, which includes most of atlanta, back in 2006 when he wanted to build a high rise there, saying quote, its a great location and a great city. Ive loved atlanta for years. I guess im not surprised. Trump changes positions more often than a porn star with a bad back. [ laughter ] switch. [ applause ] no, switch, you go and then ill and then come around. Trump then issued a third tweet later that day, at which point it was up to Vice President elect mike pence to try and clean up his mess. The president elect actually, in a tweet late last night, invited congressman lewis to work with us, to bring more prosperity, better schools, more safety to our cities around the country. Seth so trump says go [ bleep ] yourself and pence says no, hes just inviting you to engage in some constructive selflove. [ laughter ] and is it me or was mike pence throwing a little shade at trump when he said trump wrote the tweet late last night. [ light laughter ] pence knows he cant take on trump head to head, but he is going to drop hints that he should maybe tweet in the daytime. But jut out of curiosity, what counts as late last night to mike pence . Oh, come on. [ laughter ] and i of course didnt see it, as it was well past the electronics curfew at the pence household. [ laughter ] in fact, i was likely fast asleep having my same recurring dream about a wellmowed lawn and a pair freshlyironed slacks. [ laughter ] maybe the most galling part of this whole argument is the sudden memory loss of republicans, who now have the temerity to argue that no one disputed president obamas legitimacy when he was elected. I cannot imagine the fallout, the backfire that you would have if a republican would have ever implied that about barack obama. You didnt have republicans questioning whether or not obama legitimately beat john mccain in 2008. Seth yeah, what kind of morally bankrupt person would ever have questioned the legitimacy of Barack Obamas presidency . Youll never guess oh, you guessed already . [ laughter ] how fast can you guess . Was it right away . Like was it before i even asked . You guessed it right away, right . [ laughter ] so for those who remember, trumps tweets like this one an extremely credible source has called called my office and told me that Barack Obamas birth certificate is a fraud they might find it starnge, to hear him complaining about having his legitimacy questioned. But for Reince Priebus, they are very different things. Donald trumps made it clear that certainly over the last few years that president obama was born in hawaii, but the point is not until the end of the campaign. But hang on a second, george, were not questioning the legitimacy of the outcome of the election but it is a fact that donald trump was questioning whether president obama was eligible to serve as president under the constitution. And many people were george, but that issues been resolved for years now, and its been resolved for at least two years in Donald Trumps mind. Seth first of all, it wasnt two years, it was two months ago. Second, you dont get to brag about that. For two of the president s eight years in office, donald trump did not think he was from africa. Why cant you give him credit for that . [ laughter ] now regardless of how you feel about lewiss statement that he doesnt see trump as a legitimate president , there continue to be major questions both the alleged russian hacking and trumps response to it. Although for some gop member of congress, there are no questions at all, like texas congressman mike conaway. Who claimed democrats also benefitted from foreign interference because they used mexican entertainers to help get out to vote in nevada. Quote, harry reid and the democrats brought in mexican soap opera stars, singers and entertainers who had immense influence in those communities into las vegas. To entertain and get out the vote and so forth. Those are foreign actors, foreign people influencing the vote in nevada. You dont hear the democrats screaming and saying one word about that. As to whether he considers that on par with russian cyber intrusions that aimed to damage Hillary Clintons campaign, conaway said, sure it is. Its foreign influence. Dude, thats not even apples and oranges. [ light laughter ] thats apples and russian interference in our election. [ laughter ] theres only one word [ cheers and applause ] theres only one word to describe the idea that campaigning with mexican soap opera stars is the same as russian interference, and that word is loco. [ laughter ] beyond the investigation into russian hacking, there are also the unverified allegations of possible contact between the Trump Campaign and russian operatives. Unsubstantiated reports that, according to the guardian, the fbi at one point looked into. Now, you might be asking why were only hearing about this now, not during the campaign. Well, its because of fbi director james comeys claim that he never comments on pending investigations. A claim that he repeated at a Senate Hearing last week. Has the fbi investigated these reported relationships, and if so, what are the agencys findings . Thank you, senator. I would never comment on investigations, whether we have one or not in an open forum like this. Did you answer the senator wydens question that there is an Investigation Underway as to connections between either of the political campaigns and the russians . I didnt say one way or the other. Especially in a public forum. We never confirm or deny a pending investigation. Im not saying the irony of your making that statement here, i cannot avoid. Seth yes, you see, its ironic, because comey repeatedly made public statements about the investigation into Hillary Clintons emails that hurt her during the campaign. Isnt that funny, hillary . Okay. [ laughter ] what all this makes clear is thats as trump prepares to become president on friday, were going to need strong congressional oversight. And that kind of oversight can be effective, as we saw last week, for example, when senator Elizabeth Warren aggressively questioned trumps nominee for housing secretary, ben carson, about trumps conflicts of interest and got him to offer this unintentionally revealing answer. My concern is whether or not among the billions of dollars that you will be responsible for handing out in grants and loans, can you just assure us that not one dollar will go to benefit either the president elect or his family . It will not be my intention to do anything to benefit any any american. [ laughter and applause ] seth it will not be my intention to do anything to benefit any american. [ light laughter ] i think thats the closest were going to get to a Mission Statement from the Trump Administration. [ laughter ] this has been a closer look. Well be right back, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] you got your mom side. A just be calm side. You got a, i never thought id get married at 65 side. 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[ cheers and applause ] also sitting in this week, shes a great drummer from a acclaimed rock Band Black Rebel Motorcycle Club whose latest record, specter at the feast is available now. Leah shapiro is here. [ cheers and applause ] thank you so much for being here, leah. Also we are so excited this week. Welcome back to the 8g band, marnie stern, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] marnie, who does not like when we talk about her is back and marnie left for the best possible reason, which is she has a baby boy. Wyatt stern johnson, lil shredder. [ applause ] born back in november. So congratulations to you, and thank you so much for coming back to us. Thank you, seth. Seth all right, moving on, our first guess tonight is cnns chief washington correspondent. He hosts the lead weekday afternoons on cnn as well as the Network Sunday show, state of the union. Please welcome back to the show, our friend jake tapper. [ cheers and applause ] seth how are you . Im good. Im good. Seth im so happy you have the day off, and you were kind enough to come up here from d. C. To spend the day with us. Yeah, not much going on. Seth yeah, not much going on. [ light laughter ] slow news year. Take a day off. Not much to cover. Seth you had a big story. Cnn broke a big story last tuesday we did. Seth about how you basically reported that the trump that donald trump president elect trump had been presented with information that there was an alleged that russia allegedly had information yeah. Seth that they were going to use to blackmail him. Yeah, we, uh about nine, ten days ago, the intelligence chiefs met with president obama. The next day they met with president elect trump, and they provided the intelligence briefing on the russian hacking, and then they also provided this twopage synopsis of this other stuff that theyd been hearing from credible sources, but they didnt know if the information was real, and they wanted him to know about it, that it was out there, because they thought it potentially affected national security. So we had the story. I have to say, you got the first on the record comment other than Donald Trumps tweet, from kellyanne conway. You obviously had been watching cnn right before the show. Seth as i do. Youre the person who pumps me up. And [ light laughter ] and you explained it great. You had all the details perfectly right. I wish i could say the same about everyone else who followed us in our reporting. But you were exactly on target. Seth its obviously very fortuitous timing that it happened right before we came out and talked to her about it. The interesting thing that happened is right after cnn broke their story, buzzfeed approached the same story a different way. Whereas they actually published this 35 was it a 35 page . 35page memos, yeah. Seth memo, which was all these alleged things, and it was pretty salacious, some pretty obviously some details that comedy shows are really happy to read. [ light laughter ] but yet the next day was this news press conference, Donald TrumpsFirst Press Conference as president elect, and he sort of conflated what cnn did with what buzzfeed did, and he was very hard on jim acosta, this cnn reporter who was at that press conference. I believe he said, you are fake news. Yeah. Seth this must be a crazy time. You used to have that job. You used to be a white house reporter. How what do you do you feel as though youre under attack being a member of the press right now . Well, ive been yelled at by president s and press secretaries before, but seth all nonpartisan. Everybody has been mad at you. [ light laughter ] everybodys been mad at me one way or another, sooner or later it happens. And then but ive never seen the effort to delegitimize an organization for a story that you dont like that has been proven. By the way every word of the story that we reported last tuesday has been proven correct. Its been corroborated in one way or another by the Vice President , by the director of national intelligence. Theres not one thing we got wrong. He was obviously trying to get us to stop focusing on the story and just to discredit all of us, and, you know, thats too bad. Its not a huge shock that he would try to do that. Its one of the reasons that i wasnt happy about buzzfeed doing what it did in addition to the fact that i thought it was irresponsible to put these uncorroborated rumors out there. I mean, thats not reporting, thats just publishing. But that said, you know, that comes with the territory. Seth now it must be interesting because it seems to me watching cnn in the days after, cnn then as well as buzzfeed were part of the story. Yeah. Seth as somebody who does reports on the news, is it an uncomfortable time where you are also part of the news . Yeah, its not really what were supposed to do. Were not supposed to be part of the story. In fact, some of the lessons ive learned along the way in terms of be being a reporter, especially in terms of being an aggressive one, have been about learning how not to be part of the story. Like, if youre going to ask a follow up question, eight, nine, 24 times, then you do so in a way that is polite, so that you are not the story. The question and the refusal to answer is the story. Seth and you know i think theres this idea now is the press going to have to sort of like work as one unit to combat what seems to be the strategy that the Trump Administration is going to use with dealing with the press . Is it feasible to think of the press with all their disparate ideas and all the different ways they approach reporting on the news can actually work as one . Or is that sort of fanciful . Well its a little fanciful, because we compete against each other. But by the same token, if a Reporter Asks a legitimate question and doesnt get an answer, and then the press secretary or the president , whomever, calls on someone else to try to change the subject, which happens all the time. Seth sure. I remember when i was the White House Correspondent for abc news and president obama did that. He didnt answer somebodys question, he called on me. I said, well, i have a question but can you answer bennets question first . Id love if you answered that. And hes like, what are you, the ombudsman of the press corps . [ light laughter ] seth were definitely going to miss having a president who used ombudsman as a burn. [ laughter ] s you dont see that coming on twitter anytime soon . Seth whats that word . No, never mind. Im going to go with dummy. [ laughter ] it was a sick burn youre right. It was a sick obama burn, ombudsman. But i mean i think there does need to be some of that. Seth well there was this idea of after trump yelled at acosta, everybody should have gotten up and left, but of course everybodys not going to get up and leave. No. Seth you can all get up and leave and then the guy from private jet magazine is going to be the last guy there asking all the questions, and hes going to get exactly the message he wants to get out. Or trump magazine. Seth or trump magazine. I think there was a trump magazine at one point. Seth there was a trump magazine. Well, this is one of the things that happened during the first obama term and im not saying these things are equivalent. The Obama White House went to war against fox news and they tried to say that the entire organization was illegitimate. And it wasnt you know, this anchor is a jerk or this story is a lie or whatever. It was this entire organization, including hundreds of reporters and producers who are just doing honest work, people i knew, major garrett, brett baier. People who are good reporters. When they were doing that i challenged them for that. Specifically because its an important principle to stand up for. Were all supposed to be in this together. You cant just like say well, cnn if youre with an organization thats not cnn and you watch them just destroy us or try to destroy us, just because they dont like the story, which, is again, proven to be completely true, then youre next. Seth yeah. Youre next if youre doing your job and you have a story that they dont like. Seth i want to talk about your roots. I did not realize this, that you were you a newspaper man first. So what age are you when you start your first newspaper . cause this is impressive. I was maybe six. Seth six years old. And what was the name of your newspaper . We had a naming contest in the neighborhood and it was called i didnt come up with it was kind of corny. It was jts if you please. [ light laughter ] seth jts if you please. And this was the neighborhood so you wrote a newspaper for other like the people on your street, the kids . It was probably about five houses. Seth five houses. And give me a story that jts as you please could you know, brian brownholt skinned his knee. I dont think there wasnt a lot going on in our courtyard. Seth yeah. [ light laughter ] but you were at it early. The hielmens got a new basenji. Seth okay, gotcha. [ laughter ] you know ive heard about that. I heard its fake news. Everything you said. [ laughter ] i want to ask one last thing. cause i was in your office. We did our show in d. C. And we got down to your office and you have all these Campaign Posters on your wall, but theres something in common with every poster you have. They are the losing candidate. Seth every single one. [ light laughter ] its the losing candidate in every single race. Even there are if you look closely you can see there is a Ronald Reagan poster, but its years that he lost. Seth okay, gotcha. 68, 76, the nixon poster from 60. Yeah, i collect people who did not win. Seth and your staff told me its because you like to say only one winner is allowed in this office. [ laughter ] thats good. [ applause ] seth yeah i know, well you can use it. Thank you thats not the reason, but im stealing that. Thats great. Seth there you go. Always a pleasure to see you. Keep up the good work. Thank you so much. Seth jake tapper, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] the lead airs weekday afternoon weekday afternoons on cnn. State of the union airs sundays. Well be right back with bj novak. [ cheers and applause ] babdo you want any . P. No thanks. I have a salad. Theres nothing like a bowl of campbells chicken noodle soup. And salad. Made for real, real life. 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Find new roads at your local chevy dealer. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. Our next guest is a New York Times bestselling author who you know from his work in the office. You can see him in the film the founder, which opens in theaters this friday. Lets take a look. Tell me about the land. The land. The land, the buildings, how that whole aspect of it works. Oh, pretty simple, really. Franchisee finds a piece of land he likes, gets the lease, usually 20 years. Takes out construction loan, blows up the building, and off he goes. So the operator selects the site. Yeah. He picks the property. Right. You provide the training, the system, the operational knowhow, and hes responsible for the rest . Is there a problem . A big one. You dont seem to realize what business youre in. Youre not in the burger business. Youre in the real estate business. Seth please welcome to the show, b. J. Novak. [ cheers and applause ] seth how are you . Im great. Its great to see you. Thank you for having me on the show, first time. Seth im so happy to have you here for the first time. I have known you to be an actor, a comedian, a writer. Ive known you to be many things. I did not realize this that you have you have a male modeling career that is entirely accidental. Its accidental. Its true. Its an International Modeling career. [ light laughter ] seth you are its legally, technically correct to say that you are an International Male model. It is correct. What happened was a few years ago, my image must have been uploaded onto some database of supposedly free photos with a tag like american guy or something. [ light laughter ] seth right. And a lot of companies all over the world this is true somehow took this image and put it on their products. And people send me images from all over the world. [ light laughter ] seth okay. And they say, i didnt know that you endorsed a razor. Seth this is real. Like, lets this is absolutely real. Seth so this is not a bit. We did not make this. This is a real thing that you saw. [ laughter ] this is a very popular razor. Seth yeah. They make several varieties of it as you can see that there. Seth yeah. There we go. This is and they were like, should we use a different face for the other ones . No. [ laughter ] this is all across asia, in the philippines and korea and china, and you can see its not a very good razor seth yeah. [ laughter ] based on the stubble i have here. Seth this is so this is rainbow art . This is this is a uruguayan face paint. [ light laughter ] seth this is unbelievable. You can paint your face. [ laughter ] you can paint your face like the uruguayan flag, and im the guy who did that. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] that, you would think, you would have looked for art that said uruguayan guy. Yeah. Seth but they went for american guy there as well. I might just be achievable man or something. [ laughter ] seth but heres the best. Yeah. This is great. Seth encounter is a cologne. This is a scandinavian cologne called encounter. Seth here it is. [ laughter ] i am the face of a cologne, and i did tell the person seth so, there you go. This is who got it. We got this. Seth so you actually bought it. So i asked the person, would you send me some . Ill reimburse you. Seth and how is it . And he sent me about six. Its the worstsmelling thing ive ever had in my life. [ laughter ] should we both try a little bit . Seth yeah, here we go. Should i smell you, and you smell me . Seth yeah, yeah, yeah. [ laughter ] its awful. Seth oh, its not good. Yeah. [ laughter ] seth its really not good. But its my line. [ laughter ] the nice thing about them just stealing your image is you dont have to pretend its good. Seth yeah, right . Do not buy this horriblesmelling seth do not trust the cologne with my face on it. No, but its a lot like bug spray, but i love the name, encounter. Seth encounter. Yeah. Seth i yeah, see, thats the great thing though. I feel like one day have you gone to scandinavia . No. Seth see, you got to go. I feel like youll just be is that encounter guy . Seth set yourself up at a bar, and there will just be some girl who will sit down and be like, are you the guy from encounter . Yeah. [ laughter ] i dont know if i dont know if they still sell it. I mean, its not a good scent. Seth yeah. [ light laughter ] you dont know, though. I may have different olfactory turnons. They might be like, the encounter guy. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] oh, obviously you didnt hear about the legal issues. Yeah. Seth congratulations on the founder. Thank you. Seth fantastic movie, and Michael Keaton, as we saw from the clip it must have been exciting to work with Michael Keaton. Yeah, has he been on the show yet . Seth no, hes coming this week, so im very excited. Hes the most distractedseeming person that i have ever met in my life. Hes not actually distracted, but you think you dont know if hes paying attention. Hell be like, oh, thats a cool microphone, seth. And i like those lights up there, and a lot of cameras in the room. I used to have a camera. I used to collect cameras. And tell me again about your tie. [ light laughter ] but he comes back to you. Seth uhhuh. Heres the thing. I would like to have a movie for him in which he plays the first man ever diagnosed with a. D. D. [ laughter ] seth oh, yeah. And id like to be the doctor who says, weve never seen this condition before. [ laughter ] seth there you go, and then and he would be the first guy. Yeah, and then the end credits, it would like, 50 million kids did their homework because soandso yeah, the brave work. Seth this film is about the origin story of mcdonalds. Yeah. Seth a lot of it i didnt know. Yeah. Seth its a great story. Yeah, its a rich, complicated story. Seth yeah, and a very american story. Yeah. Seth needless to say. But when you got this part, your friend, your dear friend, mindy kaling, was upset. Yeah. Seth why was she upset . Well, she feels that shes the mcdonalds person seth okay. [ laughter ] of our duo, friendship. Seth yeah. Um, so seth did she understand that due to the historical accuracy of this film, she probably couldnt have played your part . There was no indian woman prominent in [ laughter ] its a good point. She is a vindictive, competitive spirit that i think she just felt wronged. [ laughter ] seth gotchya, yeah. Because she is like, i like mcdonalds. I liked the movie. But she is, like, a believer. Seth okay. So seth shes one of those people that follows mcdonalds on facebook . Yeah. Seth like a friend . Yeah. When you see that, and youre, like, why would i ever she is like, like. [ laughter ] send me whatever. Seth its a great film, and i recommend everybody see it. I want to talk about this, because youre also an innovator. Is an innovator a fair enough term . You have an app called list. Yeah. Seth and its a fantastic app where thank you. Seth where different people can basically just put lists up of different things. Yeah, we didnt invent the ability to do that. [ laughter ] its like, this is crazy. So your thoughts are in order . [ laughter ] seth and you can put numbers on them. You are the first guy who said, we can put a number. Yeah. Seth that way if you are want to say theres four, you put a one. Right. Its very simple, but it hadnt really we hadnt seen it in social media, just a way for people to kind of trade these lists around. Seth you have a list that you wrote yeah. Seth about the things that people talk about at the end of a talk show interview yes. Seth as it goes to commercial. Yeah. Seth thats about to happen here. Yeah. Seth so just give me some of the things that you have said over the years. Sure. Well, theres three things i put on this list. Theres three tiers. Seth okay. If it went really well and youre connecting when they go to commercial, the host will tell you some gossip about someone you both know. Seth okay. So, itll be like, you know, Michael Keaton at snl said this thing. You know. Seth okay, gotchya. Thats the best. Seth something i couldnt say on tv, but you or it could be a nice anecdote. Seth right. Something about someone we both know. Oh, mindy said you know, whatever. The second tier is you would continue a story that we had told that you didnt have time because youre a very gracious host, but if it were at a dinner party, you would have said, you know, my face once was on some bus ad. You know. Seth yeah. [ light laughter ] and then, the worst level, if you really have nothing to say, was a terrible interview. You didnt connect at all. You lean over, and you say, that was really great. [ laughter ] that was great, really fun. So, i hope thats not seth not only have i said that. Yeah. Seth thats the heartbreaking thing. Yeah. Seth im pretty sure i said it exactly the way you just did it. [ laughter ] im sure. That happened my first time on tv, yeah. And then i realized, like, he doesnt say this to tom hanks. Seth yeah. That was great. Seth yeah. That was seth yeah. I guess the lower tier theres nothing else to say. Seth there was something, one beneath that was really great, where you go oh, please. Well, im guess seth that could have been better. Oh, yeah. [ laughter ] have you ever said that in all your years . Seth no. Absolutely, absolutely not. But seriously, that was really great. Thank you so much for being here. [ laughter ] b. J. Novak, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] good to see you buddy. The founder opens in theaters this friday. Well be right back with more late night. Thank you. [ cheers and applause ] in a world that needs a hero, justice is spelled box. Say hello to a powerful tool that gives you options to fit your budget. 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Obviously, you had a very unique sound, but also a very unique look. Heres some early sex pistols stuff. Were you aware right off the bat how important appearance was to the band . You know, it was important, image. You didnt want to have a tache, you know . I would have got fired if i had flares or mustache, you know, so. Seth mustaches were not punk . No, not not, no. Seth yeah. Not not. [ light laughter ] there was a little period there where it wasnt happening. Seth and spiky hair was happening. You tried to give yourself spiky hair. It did not go well. Well, its thinned out a bit now. [ light laughter ] but unfortunately, at the time, i had, like, a hairdressers hair. Seth uhhuh. It was, like, thick, and it dont matter how hard i tried, i just couldnt get it spiky, so i was burdened with that. It was a drag, actually. [ light laughter ] seth yeah. But then, as once the punk era ended, you must have been very happy to have sort of long, flowing locks because well, i had a later period in the 90s where i grew it really long like fabio. [ laughter ] all the birds loved it. It was great. Seth okay, good. It was fantastic. Seth not a lot of people have great second acts with their hair. I know, i know. Seth yeah, that works out really well. Im going to the end. Im going to the end. Ive still got it. Seth yeah, you really do. You shouldnt cover it up. Its really great. I know. Im pub im trying to seth but youre publicizing your show. My radio show, yeah. Seth there you go. You got to keep that hair under wraps if its gonna mean a little extra scratch for your radio show. Yeah, yeah. [ light laughter ] seth i want to add this. I found this very interesting in the book, that you admitted that being in the punk scene, you could not tell people other bands that you liked outside of that punk movement. Yeah. Seth so what were some bands at the time the sex pistols were going that you liked that your fan base would not have accepted you liking . Boston. Seth uhhuh. Journey. Seth journey, yeah. [ light laughter ] when you think of the sex pistols, you dont think of them back in the van listening to journey. No. [ light laughter ] i used to have to have to go home wed do a punk gig, and id be like, yeah thats great [ laughter ] and back and listen to more than a feeling. [ laughter and applause ] seth you there recently, this was the band that was very famous for a very short period of time. Yeah. Seth and you, over the years, of course have had fans coming up to you saying they saw you your shows were very famous. Yeah. Seth people wanted to have been there. Do you find often that people who told you were there were not there . Most times. Seth yeah. [ light laughter ] the classic was when we first played in the states, when people say, oh, i saw you in new york. You know, we never played new york. [ laughter ] seth yeah. Or they love your album, and i always quiz them, id say, what was track three on side one . And theyd be like, uh i dont know. I love it, though. Its great [ laughter ] seth you had not played you were not trained to play guitar. You taught yourself how to play guitar. Yeah. Seth is it strange to you now that that like, what was it like the first time you played on stage, having so little background doing in it . Oh, man, it was so good. I mean, id had a couple of mandrakes. I dont know if anyone is old enough to know what they are. Theyre like quaaludes. Seth quaaludes, yeah. [ laughter ] theyre probably too old for them, too. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] right. Seth and it seems like a shame. It seems like everything ive heard about quaaludes no. Seth no . Tingly feeling. Seth oh, not great . No, great seth oh, yeah, good. [ laughter ] great. Seth yeah. The best. Seth yeah. A couple of pints, and i remember we did this show. They pulled the plug on us after three songs. And im playing, im so loud. Im through a 100 watt marsh, and were in this tiny, little place, no stage. And i remember looking over at johnny, going oh, this is great. [ laughter ] and then the plug got pulled, but i knew right then and there, we had something. It was something unique, you know . Seth you its interesting in the book because youve been clean and sober now for a long time, 25 years . 26. Seth 26 years, congratulations. [ cheers and applause ] but you also you also are willing to admit that there are times like that first time you went on stage, there were times when you were lucky to have been not clean and sober. Oh, yeah. I could have easy i could have easily went the other way, you know. Seth well, im very glad it went this way. I want to its interesting because of course i knew who you were from the sex pistols, but i felt like i knew you from listening to your radio show, jonesys jukebox. Yeah. Seth which youve been doing for a while now. Yeah. Seth did you ever think you would have this act of your career where you were interviewing people on the radio . No, no. That was the last thing from my mind, and it was an accident like most things are. Where i just i was doing nothing, and this radio show started in los angeles. Thats where i live. And it was playing all of that music with no commercials. Im like, what is this . And then, i got a phone call two weeks later from one of the guys who was working there and says, do you want to do some little, hi, this is steve jones. Youre listening to thingy. and when he said that, i said, i want to be a deejay. It just came out of my mouth. [ laughter ] it was the weirdest thing. It was because i was excited about the radio, and i wasnt doing nothing. Im like, lets try that. I want to be a deejay. And it happened. Seth yeah. It was crazy. Seth and how long now has jonesys jukebox been a show . Well, ive been on a few different stations. The original one was indie 103. 1, which i did that for five years, but now, ive been klos, which is the classic rock station, and its been around forever. Ive been on that for year now. Seth thats great. Well, i highly recommend it to anyone, mostly just because they get to listen to one of my favorite voices and accents on earth, yours, for an afternoon. So, thank you so much for being here. Such a pleasure. Thanks a lot, buddy. [ cheers and applause ] seth steve jones, everybody lonely boy is available now. Well be right back. [ cheers and applause ] strummed guitar you cant experience the Canadian Rockies through a screen. You have to be here, with us. Theres only one way to travel through this natural wonder and get a glimpse of amazing. And thats with a glass of wine in one hand, and a camera in the other, aboard rocky mountaineer. Canadas Rocky Mountains await. Call your travel agent or rocky mountaineer for special offers now. 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