Any secrets held in a terrorists iphone after he killed 14 in california last december. A federal judge has ordered apple to create software to unlock the iphone. Apple is fighting the order. Today, we have an extraordinary story that predates the apple conundrum. In fact, it predates what most understand to be the beginning of widespread surveillance of u. S. Citizens after 9 11. In october of 1997, Joseph Nacchio was ceo of qwest communications, a major phone company out west. One of his Vice President s told him he had an unexpected visitor. Joe he came in and he said, joe, we have a general downstairs who wants to meet you. Which i thought was pretty surprising, because you know generals don t just drop by. It was a 3star. Sharyl attkisson who was the general . Joe well, his name is classified, believe it or not. Who it was, i m not, i m still not allowed to disclose. Sharyl the general was from a u. S. Intelligence agency interested in paying qwest to use its cuttingedge global classified programs. But to learn more, nacchio first needed a topsecret security clearance. Joe i had my clearance by january of 1998. We received that contract shortly thereafter. And that led to us working with multiple intelligence agencies. Sharyl nacchio s job as ceo of qwest became steeped in a secretive world of classified meetings and clandestine government contracts. He s still barred from saying exactly what the projects involved. Joe so, you could either put equipment in, you could either monitor, there s a whole bunch of things you can do. Sharyl as head of a telecom company, you were meeting with Top Spy Agency people. Joe yes. I m allowed to say that i worked with four clandestine security agencies and senior government officials. Sharyl for several years, nacchio says, government requests to monitor and surveil qwest customers came with proper qwest lots of cash. The telecom companies, they make a lot of money off these contracts when they cooperate with the intel agencies . Joe it s all done in a classified way that nobody sees it. So yes, we made money. And again, as a ceo of a public corporation, that s good business, besides being patriotic. Sharyl was it hundreds of millions of dollars over the years . Joe oh, easily, yes. Sharyl the mutually beneficial relationship continued until february 27, 2001, when nacchio says he got an astonishing request at a meeting at the headquarters for the National Security agency or nsa. Joe i fly into washington. My guys meet me, take me to a scif that we have that s in maryland, a scif is one of those rooms that are designed to specs that you can t have eavesdropping on. When i grew up and we used to watch Maxwell Smart on television, it was the cone of silence thing. I go in there, i get briefed, and then at the end, which was very surprising, a new request is made of us. Sharyl by whom . Joe by someone across the i was supposed to meet with he didn t show up at the last minute, which should have put yellow flashing lights in my sharyl he was head of the nsa at the time. Joe he was the head of the nsa. He was a 3star head of the nsa who bush later appoints to be 4stars and runs the cia. So when that request came, i was it didn t sound right to me, as a matter of fact, it sounded very wrong to me. Sharyl what was the request . Joe well, it was a request to do something that, under the t believe the foreign intelligence agencies, particularly nsa, had, were authorized to do unless they had a fisa warrant. Sharyl a fisa warrants would come from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and would authorize the nsa to do something that was otherwise illegal for it to do collect data in the u. S. And you can t say exactly what they asked you. Joe no, that remains classified. Something was asked. I asked if they had a fisa warrant. They said it wasn t required. I thought that was pretty strange. Sharyl if there was no warrant, he says he asked if the white house had given executive wasn t required. Sharyl this was under president bush. Joe yes, this was under president bush. And this was prior to 9 11. So i said that we couldn t do it. And we wouldn sharyl the 9 11 terrorist justification for the government s controversial programs to collect information warrants. But the nsa proposition to qwest was nearly seven months before 9 11, according to nacchio. Joe after that meeting, there next several months and i continued to answer the request by saying, look, show me Legal Authority and we ll be happy to do it. Okay, but i can t do it without Legal Authority. I can be sued civilly, but the government can t. Sharyl how did you begin to understand that you were becoming odd man out . Joe it was june 5, 2001, about four months later, and i m sitting next to dick clark, and dick leans over to me and he says, kind of incidental to the thought you guys were getting . And i said, yeah, and he said, well, it s going to someone else. And i was a little bit surprised, because we had been working on this a long time. Sharyl dick or Richard Clarke was president bush s chief counterterrorism advisor. He didn t respond to our requests for comment. He s shown here in 2002 giving nacchio a president ial certificate. In this photo, nacchio and other ceos are shown with clarke, being sworn in on the president s National Security telecommunications advisory committee. Nacchio says that contract qwest wasn t getting after all dealt a major blow. Joe yeah, yeah, we re talking in the hundreds of millions, okay, we re not talking 10 million, we re talking big deal contract. Well, what ends up over the next several months is about 4 or 5 contracts we thought we were we didn t get. Sharyl nacchio viewed it as reprisal for his refusal to take part in what he viewed as an illegal program. Joe it was in excess of 500 t come in that year, in 2001 alone. Sharyl nacchio left qwest the following year without mending that fence. Then, three years later, in august of 2005, he got a call. The Justice Department was investigating him for Insider Trading of qwest stock four years earlier. Nacchio claims the government was targeting him in retaliation, something the government strongly denies. His defense hinged on telling the jury how his relationship with the spy agencies had gone sour. But there was a catch. It was all classified. Nacchio lost his case. Joe i m barred under the law from bringing any of it up. I m barred from the contracts, i m barred from naming the i with, i was even barred from saying the meeting on february 27 happened. Sharyl some of it would later become public. About the time of nacchio s indictment, the government s controversial programs were revealed for the first time. Pres. Bush this is a highly crucial to our National Security. Sharyl the New York Times reported the nsa had been using phone companies to collect private information of u. S. Citizens without court warrants. Edward snowden the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. Sharyl later, nsa contractor Edward Snowden blew the whistle in this explosive interview with the guardian. He exposed the Obama Administration s vast expansion of data collection. Snowden but i, sitting at my desk, certainly had authorities to wiretap anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the president , if i had a personal email. Sharyl it was snowden s example of a federal judge that hit home with nacchio. By then, he was serving a fourandahalfyear prison sentence. In a bizarre twist, the judge in nacchio s case, edward nottingham, was soon embroiled in scandal, accused of soliciting prostitutes and allegedly asking one to lie to investigators. He resigned and apologized, but wasn after his dealing with the spy agencies, nacchio wonders if they knew about nottingham s private scandal could that have been held over the judge s head as he ruled for the government against nacchio . Joe look, i think the intelligence agencies in that timeframe were wiretapping government officials, judges, i mean they were just monitoring everything. Sharyl government officials call nacchio a convicted felon whose speculation can t be believed. Nottingham firmly denies anyone spoke to him about his personal scandals during nacchio s trial. At Appeals Panel overturned his conviction, saying judge nottingham aired on a key ruling. The guilty verdict was upheld on appeal. President bush s nsa and cia chief michael haydena, nacchio s point of contact back then, didn t respond to our requests for comment, but has championed the controversial surveillance. Michael hayden everything we ve done has been lawful, it s been briefed to the appropriate members of congress. The only purpose of the agency s activities is to preserve the american people, and i think we have done that. S mass data collection. President obama when it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone that s about. Joe my advice to people is, put nothing on the internet that you wouldn t take a billboard out on 42nd street and broadway and publicize. You have your bank records, your health records, you re looking at porn sites, your illegal dating, or whatever you re doing is all known. Sharyl by the government. Joe and by their agents. Now let s remember who the agents are. The agents are the Telephone Companies, the agents are the banks, the agents are apple, the agents are google, the agents are facebook, they re all involved. Sharyl what do you tell apple if they were to call you and ask you for advice . Joe i would have said, keep this very quiet and cooperate. Because you s going to happen to you when this is all over is, for the next five years of your life, every jurisdiction on you, it s going and that sharyl nacchio s conviction was overturned on appeal in a decision that found judge nottingham made key errors. But the government got the conviction reinstated by a split judges panel. Scheduled for next month. When we return on full measure the other side of the story we ll hear from senator tom cotton, an outspoken advocate in the fbi drive to force apple s sharyl Joseph Nacchio s story is a twodecadeold tale of a man who fought the feds and the feds won. Apple ceo tim cook is the latest ceo taking a stand as heard in a recent interview with abc news. Tim cook what is at stake is, can the government compel apple to write software that we believe would make hundreds of millions of customers vulnerable around the world, including the u. S. . Sharyl apple was on the agenda at a recent private meeting attended by cook, other top Silicon Valley ceos, and political leaders, including republican senator tom cotton. Attendees say cotton and cook they won t talk publicly about cotton, who s on the Intelligence Committee to hear why he thinks apple should do sen. Cotton apple has taken a problematic, absolutist position from the beginning. Their position is, we don t have to cooperate with the government on this matter or any other matter. I don t take that position. I recognize the value of encryption to americans. It is essential that americans have good cyber security. I want phones to have sound data security. I also want americans to have sound physical security. Terrorist attacks like we saw in San Bernardino are a real risk. Tim cook has said that he feels strongly that apple should not have to do this. We expect Telephone Companies to comply with a lawful court order to put a wiretap if a judge orders it. We expect banks to provide bank records if the government inspect bank records that might belong to a Money Laundering firm. I don t think we should treat data and Tech Companies any differently. Sharyl polls show americans are divided on this issue. Do you not see that there is concern over whether the government could be proving to be not trustworthy with the information it collects or could turn into a bully and overreach its authority . Sen. Cotton i understand the concerns that americans have, but also know that americans are very concerned about terrorism. The kind of position that apple has taken in the San Bernardino case is ultimately going to threaten americans when it comes to terrorist attacks. We have to be able to find some middle ground between business and Law Enforcement to protect americans physical security sharyl , but sharyl also protect data security. One of the most interesting revelations from the apple case is that the fbi does not have the Technical Expertise to get into the iphone, when billions the hightech abilities to develop those capacities. Sen. Cotton i don t want to discuss specific government capabilities of the fbi or other agency, but i will say that Silicon Valley has amazing engineers and has done Amazing Things for american lives over the last 2030 years or so. I m disappointed that they are taking this dogmatic and absolutist position. Sharyl more Court Developments and head. When we continue on full Measure Service animals are everywhere these days. You won t believe how easy it is for a pet, even a stuffed emotional support animal. Sharyl maybe you ve noticed how many Service Animals are traveling for free on some Airlines Flights these days. Full measure contributing correspondent joce sterman put the system to a test by registering a rather unique joce for chris tegeler, his dog roxy is more than just a companion. She s pretty essential to you getting around . Chris yes, she s taught me patients with myself. I ve taught her a few things. Joce tegeler is not talking about tricks. This dog is trained for service to work as an emotional support dog. Chris i ve been cursed out on the bus. I ve been accused of why do you have a service dog you re not blind. Joce roxy is for the issues you can t see. Namely tegeler s severe anxiety and balance issues from a stroke. To allow her to travel with him, he got a certificate and a letter that makes roxy a legitimate service dog. We discovered the process to register, though, isnt always above board. Does this seem like a system that is ripe for fraud and abuse . Paul unfortunately, it is. and the evidence tends to bear that out. Joce paul mundell is the ceo of the nonprofit canine companions for independence. He s very familiar with how forprofit companies are capitalizing on shortcomings access act. It was created by congress in 1986 and amended in 2003 to allow people with disabilities to take support pets on planes. Since then, more animals of more types have come on board. Everything from support pigs to turkeys can fly for free with official paperwork that anyone can easily purchase. They re ruining this for people who have a legitimate use . Paul they are. It s very much analagous to people who park illegitimately in handicapped spots in a parking lot. Joce as a consequence, some people game the system to let their pets fly for free. They take advantage of at least two gaps in government oversight the companies that sell animal registrations and, second, no verification of the applicants disability. In oversight . Dog well call him d. B. All you have to do is click here to fly with your emotional support dog. Boom, click. We used a Company Called the National Service animal registry, which claims in published reports to sell thousands of registrations each year. The company says its services are aimed only at providing legitimately disabled persons with id and products to minimize hassels and discrimination. The Company Tells customers that ordering those products does not make them legally disabled. But we found anyone can click a box and qualify by claiming any of a host of problems, including fear of flying or stress. We sent in a picture of d. B. And spent 65 plus another 50 for a vest and he was done. It came as a shock to David Williams with the Taxpayer Protection alliance, a Watchdog Group that keeps an eye on government inefficiency. David when you start accepting stuffed animals as emotional support animals, there s something wrong with the system and it needs to be fixed immediately. Joce and it s not just the process of buying a certificate for a stuffed dog thats at issue. Yourself certified. That s a lot of questions. We paid 180 to Chilhowee Psychological Services of colorado and answered 11 sets of online questions with no one to verify our answers. We talked to a licensed counselor on two separate calls for a total of 14 minutes. Then got a message with a medical letter from the company. Im officially considered mentally and emotionally disabled. But there was Something Else disturbing about the letter. We discovered that Chilhowee Psychological Services just happens to have the same Mailing Address as the National Service so we could register our stuffed dog as emotionally supportive and ourselves as emotionally unstable at the same place. Both are registered to the chilhowee corporation, which says it doesnt disclose the relationship online but will confirm it if asked. In public filings, its official Business Activity is accessories. Canine companions for independence is among several organizations that have written the department of justice asking for solutions to close a loophole that lets people purchase assistance dog paraphenalia to violate the spirit of the law. Meanwhile, the u. S. Department of transportation told us it is weighing a plan that would require airlines to track the certificates submitted to carriers for support animals. Right now, that s something that is not happening. Sharyl how many are stuffed, how many are real . Joce absolutely. Sharyl thanks so much. Still ahead on full measure we take that roller coaster ride we like to Call Campaign incredible. Has been up here. Sharyl this president ial election cycle proves anything is possible in politics. Primary polls are turned upside down when the votes are counted. And Bitter Campaign enemies become supporters. All part of this week s campaign incredible. The final four republicans running for president were respectful for the most part. The answer is not simply to yell china, bad, muslims, bad. You ve got to understand the nature of the threats. And how you deal with them. On behalf of the american people, i want to thank you for bringing a little class to the republican debates. Hillary clinton we ve got our work cut out for us. Many voters as you can. In a stunning upset, Bernie Sanders winning the michigan primary. Sen. Sanders frankly, we believe that our strongest areas are yet to happen. Nationally, donald trump is still in the lead for the republican race. But according to a new poll, his rivals may be closing in. Donald trump see, hostility works for some people. It doesn t work for everybody. Sen ted cruz if we are divided, he wins the nomination and hillary becomes president. If we unite, that ain t going to happen. And that same cnn orc poll shows clinton winning in a landslide, in the next two big contests, florida and ohio. Rubio and kasich are underdogs in their own states. Gov. Kasich our campaign is rising in the polls based on a vision and a positive message and staying out of the mudslinging and the negative. Sen. Rubio i will be on that ballot on tuesday. I will campaign as long and as hard as it takes. We are going to the white house. We are going to win this nomination. Sharyl this tuesday is another critical day that could make or break campaigns with contests in ohio, florida, illinois, north carolina, and missouri. Next week on full measure we continue our reporting from the southern u. S. Border. U. S. Border towns so influenced by mexican drug smugglers, the illegal culture is deeply embedded in the community. It s just wellknown. It s just wellknown who s involved in drugs. It s wellknown on both sides. Sharyl we will visit a drug town on the border, that is next week on full measure. That s it for this week. Thank you for watching. I m sharyl attkisson. Until next time, we ll besearching for more stories that. Man they want me to tell me people to be nice. My people are nice. Heated protesters get violent at a donald trump rally. Man violence at rallies is not what america is about. Democratic candidates weighing in