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At this hour there is still a Massive Police presence in the West Side Neighborhood of chelsea. Streets remain closed. The public and media are being kept far away from the crime scene. Surveillance video shows the blast itself. Authorities hope that it also show who was responsible, but so far no suspects have been identified. Three hours after the Explosion Police found another device nearby, a Pressure Cooker with a cellphone attached. It was removed from the scene by the bomb squad and it has not yet been detonated. And a third incident is also being investigated, saturday morning at a charity race in sea side park, new jersey, a pipe bomb exploded. There were no injuries. Are these incidents in any way connected. New yorks mayor bill de blasio said that he believes the explosions was in his words ntentional but did not make any direct link with terror. New yorkers are very nervous, understandably so and police say they have received a number of false alarms with suspicious packages. Just a short time ago police in this neighborhood put up posters telling new yorkers that there is a lead to helping to solve a crime. Is. David lee, thank you. Now to politics. Donald trump is tightening the polls as he runs a more disciplined campaign. That is, until late this week when he brought up the birther issue again and then suggested Hillary Clintons secret Service Detail should disarm and, quote, lets see what happens. In a moment we will talk with new jersey governor chris about the campaign as well as the explosions in his state and new york city. But first Hillary Clintons running mate the democratic Vice President president ial nominee, senator tim kaine. Senator kaine, what can you tell us about the explosion in new york city and the investigation of whether or not its a terrorist attack . You know, chris, as of right now that investigation still under way. The main feeling that we have is concern for the victims and for an fact that there are no fatalities yet is positive, but in terms of th details its unclear. And i know everyone is looking to see what the cause was, could it potentially beonnecte terrorism, no evidence yet, but i kno ths going to be looked at very, very closely. Lets turn to politics. I want to begin with Donald Trumps comment on friday night ves is hillary intssy when it comes to the issue of gun control. Here he is. Should drop all weapons. They should disarm. Take their guns away. She doesnt want guns. Take their lets see what happens to her. Senator, do you believe that donald trump in any way was inciting an act of violence against clinton . I do believe that, chris. I was stunned when i saw t although he has done it before. So two things. First, Hillary Clinton and i believe in the Second Amendment, we support the second we do support gun safety rules consistent with the Second Amendment. We are not taking peoples guns away. Second, this notion that he has done before, look, if hillary gets elected then maybe Second Amendment people will have to take care of the situation, or his comment friday night, or his statements in rallies, you know, id like to punch the guy in the face. He is using language that is an incitement to violence or an encouragement of violence or at least being kind of cavalier and has no place in any election, especially an election to be president , commander in chief of this country. But to ask specifically because what youre saying is fairly stunning, you believe its an incitement to violence against his opponent in the president ial race, Hillary Clinton . I do. I mean, use the other example, you put it in the context of other things he has said. If hillary gets elected we may need Second Amendment people to take care of this. What did that mean when he said and when you look at a series of these comments that he is making i do believe it is an incitement or at a minimum an expression to indifference as to whether violence would occur. This is a pattern that has been repeated over and over again and i think doesnt belong in any race, much less a race to be president of this country. Trump also made a statement on friday about the Birther Movement. Lets take a look at that. Campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it. I finished it. You know what i mean. President barack obama was born in the United States, period. Senator, do you think that donald trump is a racist . Chris, trump so if i dont know somebody im just not going to make that claim, but let me this is really important. For five years from 2011 to 2016, last friday, donald trump has perpetrated a bigoted lie that president obama is not a United States citizen. This is so painful because, as you know, when africanamericans came here in 1619 to jamestown all the way up through the end of the civil war they could not be citizens. Thats what the dread scott born here or born elsewhere, whether they were free or slave they were not allowed to be u. S. Citizens. So for five years when donald trump has pushed this dig bigoted lie that the africanamerican president of the United States is not a u. S. Citizen so many people connect that to the most painful time in American History where having africanamerican dissent barred you from citizenship in this i hope someone asks donald trump when you were doing that for five years did you really believe that to be true, in which case how gullible are you, how bizarrely conspiratorial are you or were you aware that it wasnt true and if so why were you trying to whip up the darkest emotions connected to the most painful chapter in american life. Lets turn to Hillary Clintons health, which also raises the question of her transparency because she was asked repeatedly this week when answer. Here she is. I communicated with tim, i talked to him again last night. Weve communicated, but i am, you know, not going to go into our personal conversations. Senator kaine, it turns out now that clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia on friday, she collapsed getting into that van at the 9 11 event on sunday morning. Simple question, when did she tell you that she had pneumonia . And, chris, i answered this on monday and then again on tuesday. We talked on sunday. I called her after the incident in new york to express concern and then we communicated over the course of a few hours and i learned right away when i reached out to her and that was when i learned about her condition. But, if i may, why didnt she just say it . Because this gets to the question of transparency. I want to put up a new fox poll. People were asked whether the trustworthy. Clintons net is negative 30, trumps is negative 19. Now, neither of those is good, but by a substantial margin, senator, the American People seem to think that trump is more honest than clinton. Well, you know, i would challenge that. I mean thats the poll. Those are the numbers. Right. But he said he would release his tax returns and he is not doing it. But, no, back to it, again, i was very plain with the about this right away that thats when we but she wasnt. And, again, she i did say what she said which is i was not going to get into the content of the conversations, obviously that content is important for running mates to be able to share without being public about it, but the timing i think was quite clear as of monday when i spoke publicly about this with the press. All right. Well, that brings us to the state of the race which frankly politics average nationally clinton now leads by 1 1 2 points thats down from 8 points in august. In ohio trump is now up 1 point, less than a month ago he trailed by 5, and in florida trump leads by less than a point, in late August Clinton led by 4 1 2. Senator, your lead is gone. Well, chris, you know that i do politics in virginia and i think you know my state, this is like every race ive ever been in. W conventions basically tied, we came out of the second convention, you are right, with a good lead and it has tightened up over time just as i thought it would, just as i actually told secretary clinton when i encouraged her to run in april of 2014, i said, look but briefly, were running out of time. If trump is a bigot, inciting violence, why is it that clinton cant keep a lead against him . Well, look, we are a very very closely politically divided and, you know, what were trying to do over the course of the end of the campaign is just compare visions. Hillary and i have a vision for the country, stronger together, and thats the book that we put out recently with all our policies. Donald trump also put out a book when he decided to run and he calls it crippled america. I dont recognize crippled america in the optimistic can do upbeat positive spirit of the American People, but obviously weve got a real case between now and november 8 that our vision of stronger together is the vision that americans should embrace Going Forward and we have confidence that we will. Senator kaine, thank you. Safe travels on the campaign trail. Thanks for talking with us and thank you for bringing props along as well. You bet. Good to be with you. Joining me now governor Chris Christie the head of Donald Trumps white house transition team. Governor, i want to start with the breaking news about the explosions in new jersey and new investigation and do you believe have any reason to believe that the explosion in your state was an act of terror targeting that Marine Charity race . Well, chris, first off, as far as new jersey is concerned, fortunately there was no one injured, the race had not yet started when the bomb exploded so we are very, very grateful for that. The fbi is leading the investigation here in new jersey, in coordination with the new Jersey State Police and our we have very promising leads but we have no one in custody at this time. And as far as terrorism concerns, chris, it is clearly an act of terrorism. Now, we just dont know who is responsible for it. Is it domestic source, a foreign source, we dont know that at this time, but it was done intentionally to try to ter rise the people of new jersey. So that we know, but we need to know who is responsible now, get them into custody. I want to turn to politics and i want to begin with donald where trump suggested that the secret Service Detail around Hillary Clinton should disarm and, quote, lets see what happens. You just heard senator kaine say trump was inciting an act of violence against Hillary Clinton. Your reaction, sir . Man, i tell you something, boy, when a race gets tight even a guy like tim kaine gets desperate. To imply forget imply he said that that was to insight owes trump an apology. Trump was trying to make a point about Hillary Clinton wanting to have one set of rules for herself and a different set of rules for the American People. And thats what his point is on the Second Amendment. But senator kaine should be ashamed of himself for saying that donald trump would like to have violence perpetrated against Hillary Clinton. Its an outrageous statement but just shows how desperate and scared the Clinton Kaine campaign is now because this race is now a dead heat and they going to get even worse news as we move forward here because donald is going to continue to do even better. Do you think its responsible, though, sir, the fact you have a security detail, obviously Hillary Clinton has a security detail, you are not average citizens so to suggest that you might want gun control for the Larger Population but that doesnt necessarily imply to a public figure like yourself is that really hypocrisy . No, what it is the hypocrisy is on Hillary Clinton they want to remove Second Amendment rights from American People. We have seen that over and over again. I think what donald was trying to do was make a point that, you know, she wants one set of rules for herself and a different set of rules for everybody else. I think all the American People should have a right to reasonably protect themselves and in most states in this country thats what exists. Mrs. Clinton wants to change that in a very significant way. I think its an important debate and discussion for the country to have. But for senator kaine to go as morning, breathlessly accusing donald trump of inciting violence against Hillary Clinton, its outrageous, its beneath him and he should take a deep breath, get used to the fact that this is going to be a very close race and stop all the craziness. Lets talk about another issue. Trump also tried this week to end the birther controversy after earlier in the week refusing to say that he now believes that barack obama was born in the u. S. Now, last september when you were running against trump you issue alive. Lets look at what you said then. I would say the president was a christian and born in this country. Those two things are selfevident. Donald trump has got to decide as weve seen, ive said this all along, hes got to decide how serious a candidate he wants to be and how he handles different problems like this will determine that in the eyes of American People. How serious a candidate is donald trump when he is still talking about the birther issue election . Very serious because he said very clearly and unequivocally this week that barack obama was born in the United States, period. And so the controversy is over. I made my position really clear, chris, on this both in the campaign and before that, actually. That was my belief and donald has made it very clear now that its his belief as well. If you think, chris, that anyone in the United States is going to go into the voting booth and either vote for or against donald trump or Hillary Clinton based on this long that are completely out of touch with the problem with the economy and jobs in this country, with the problem of terrorist threats around the world and here at home. Those are the issues that are going to decide this race and not Something Like this. Well, i mean, respectfully, governor, Voters Decide what is going to decide the race and as you may know a lot of people are upset at the idea. They would say that trump was trying to delegitimize the first them. I want to ask you about another issue in that because trump didnt end the controversy, he continued to say that Hillary Clinton started the birther controversy. Question, do you have any evidence that either Hillary Clinton or any member of her campaign in 2008 ever publicly questioned Barack Obamas birthplace . Well, just look at the comments of patty solis doil that she made, chris. Wait. Wait. If youre going to go there, what she said volunteer in iowa raised the question and was immediately fired. So that hardly seems like they were pushing the birther issue. Chris, you know, the fact of the matter is that thats what happened during the Clinton Campaign in 2008. If they appropriately fired the person, good for them, but nonetheless the issue was raised by the Clinton Campaign. Listen, the fact is this, chris, you and i both know that theres lots of things that go on privately and quietly in whispering in your ear all the time trying to get you to report things that they are unwilling yet to say publicly. If you look back at that 2000 race the 2008 race, rather, between Hillary Clinton and barack obama it was an incredibly bitter angry race on both sides where a lot of things were said both publicly and privately off the record and on background to members of the media that probably both would like to take back at this point. Okay. But the fact of the matter is that donald trump put this issue away on friday and you Voters Decide. Chris, i have run in two elections statewide here in new jersey and i ran in the republican primary for president and im telling you its my opinion that there is no one in this country who is today undecided about this race who will make their decision in the next month and a half based upon this issue. They are going to make those decisions based on jobs and the economy, the threats of terrorism around the world and at home. These are the things they are going to make their decisions on, not on this issue. Its just not going to be one where undecided voters are going to make their decision in my opinion and my experience based on this. Governor christie we will have to leave it there. Thank you. Thanks for your time today, sir. Chris, always great to be with you. Please come back. Up next, we will bring in our sunday group to discuss trumps suggestion that clintons secret Service Detail should put away their guns. 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Late this week we got the birther issued opened and closed, then we got the comment about clintons security detail should disarm. How do you explain . Well, he slipped out of the control of his handlers. You are right, he had three great weeks, closed the gap in ohio to took the lead in ohio, took the lead in florida, took the lead in iowa by 4. 3 points in the real clear politics average, close in carolina i got it. So what happened . 244 electoral votes and he just got full of himself and said things he shouldnt have said. I want to say this about the birther thing, he says on wednesday, i dont know. He should have come out and said of course ive already settled that issue. Also tim kaine shouldnt be saying when you ask him the question of is he a racist, i dont know. Both of those statements, both the statement by donald trump on wednesday and tim kaines really, really irresponsible. We ask you for questions for the panel and we got this on twitter from ron powell on sending the birther issue what took him, trump, so long in light of the overwhelming evidence . Also who did he send to hawaii to, quote, investigate . Nobody. He lied. Monica, how do you answer ron, and same question i asked karl, who you smart is stray off what seemed to be a winning policy. The nearly imposed discipline on donald trump is really paying off as we can see in the tightening polls. Donald trump a big part of his appeal is that he talks like a guy from queens because he is a guy from queens. That kind of raw authenticity got him the republican nomination for president , but because he speaks off the cuff and because he speaks colloquially sometimes that gets himself into some political trouble. I think this is all an overreaction, the gun comments and even the birther stuff, this is an overreaction. But donald trump should know that mrs. Clinton, her campaign and their wing men in the press are going to take everything he says that is off script and twist it to serve their story line that he is somehow a big got or unfit for the presidency. Thats why everything he says for the next 50 days ought to be weighed and measured extremely trump but if he wants to stay on course and win the ultimate job thats what he needs to do. Lisa, lets take a look at the big picture. Despite these issues, whether we are overreacting or not to them the big picture is that trump has significantly tightened this race. We went through the polls before, haes tightened it, he is just barely behind nationwide, he is leading as karl just mentioned in several key swing states. How do they explain it at they said they had a bad week, her comment that half his supporters are deplorables was not good for her, the video of her showed staggering and possibly following and the pneumonia diagnosis was bad for secretary clinton, but i think folks at the Clinton Campaign feel confident in their organization, that they have a ground game he does not, they are putting a lot of emphasis on the first debate, her schedule has been pretty light in terms spending time doing debate prep. They see that as an important moment. Certainly folks in the Democratic Party are their argument is that this is not a traditional year and that trump is not a traditional candidate and perhaps the traditional rules of a ground game dont apply. I think thats whats making a lot of democrats nervous. I want to pick up on that with you, chuck. You do hear the clinton camp we have a better ground game in millennials like al gore and bernie sanders. Thats not a very strong argument for a candidacy seven weeks out. No, in fact, it only calls attention to what an unorthodox, unpredictable year this turns out to be. On paper by all the conventional measures of what is a Successful Campaign she has a huge advantage, shes got the organization, shes got the money, but as we are seeing shes outspending, say, for example, in florida, that was reported just today, him by millions and millions of dollars on tv and hes still right there, hes got i think hes either tied or got a slight lead in florida. So what they need to reckon with is that all this this application of resources that would have bought you success in the past may not work this year, at least in certain swing states like ohio and florida where they have usually paid off in the past but where there seems to be for trump that will support itself, so to speak. Karl, less than a minute for this segment. How do you see the race overall at this point . Very close. He has a narrative thats driving this which is hes change. Her narrative is im qualified, experienced by temperament and background to do the job and he is not, which unfortunately paints her as more of the same, more status quo. This is going to be a close election, he leads in states that have 244 electoral votes and close in that would get him 21, thats 265, getting from 265 to 270 is going to be awful hard to do. I love the fact that we are talking about those five electoral votes and we are seven weeks out. We have to take a break. When we come back former secretary of state Colin Powells hacked email showing him saying tough things about both clinton and trump, who will it hurt more . One week before the first debate what do the two both sides going into the faceoff. Let me know on facebook or twitter foxnewssunday and use coming up, Hillary Clinton faces new criticism of her transparency after her medical scare. My senior staff knew and information was provided to a number of people. The first time that i talked to hillary about this was sunday. We will ask our sunday panel how this will play into the i wore a badge for 38 years knowing how much you trusted us to keep you safe. Yet when a officer was killed in action florida was not doing enough to give their families the help they desperately needed. Dana young understood. That was wrong, so we changed that law. To ensure these families get the benefits they are entitled to and the honor they deserve. Dana young has our back and she has yours. Dana young for the florida senate. A return to common sense. As the world knows i was a little under the weather recently. The good news is my pneumonia finally got some republicans interested in womens health. Why not share your medical records . Why not well, i have really no problem in doing it. I have it right here. I mean, should i do it . I dont care. Should i do it . Well, both candidates trying to play concerns over how candid they have been about their health to their advantage this week and we are back now with the panel. Monica, how do you see im calling it Health Record gate playing out . Clearly clinton took some hits for not being forthcoming at the very start about her pneumonia, but when you look at the historical record of what candidates overtime, mccain turned over a thousand pages of medical history, neither of these in what they are releasing. The only thing more grueling and stressful than running for president is being president so voters are perfectly invite ld to now how healthy or not their president ial candidates are. The challenge for mrs. Clinton is she is known by 70 of American Voters for serially dishonest. When you have that type of reputation voters dont believe you on anything. There is a huge amount of skepticism as to whether or not tloout about her Current Health. Number one, are we getting everything or is there something more serious wrong with her and do we have a right to know that . Secondly, all of the statements we are getting from her doctors are current statements about the status of the pneumonia, the allergies and so on. Voters are concerned about her past, the concussion, the anticoagulant treatment and so on. I think demanding a full neurological workup and report is not unreasonable given her health. And finally people are concerned about the precedent that if she is elected and incapacitated you really are running with this one. Those concerns are really out there. Donald trump is only giving his Current Health report as well and he is not going back over his history even though there is no thing we know about prior incidents. I want to move on to the fascinating hacked emails of former secretary of state colin this week about either side. He called trump a National Disgrace and an International Pariah but here is what he says about clinton, quote, a 70yearold person with a long track record unbride nd ambition, greedy, not transformational with a husband still blanking bim bows at home according to new york post. Chuck, in terms of its impact on the race to the degree that anybody cares about the emails, who takes a bigger hit there . Well, it would say, but i think colin powell takes a little bit of a hit in the following sense, he reveals himself to be the sort of person who simultaneously calls hillary a friend in one breath and then unloads on her with that rhetoric in another. And it seemed the main thing he had against her was that she beat him out for a lucrative speaking gig at a university somewhere along the line. This was in addition to what it showed about his views of the candidates for a lot of people establishment, how they chat amongst themselves and what really concerns them and it was a picture of a rather petty and gossipy washington establishment. Lets turn to what everybody is going to be talking about for the next week and that is the first debate, which starts which happens a week from tomorrow. Lisa, you covered the Clinton Campaign. Give us whatever sense you can of how they are preparing. Do we know i know this is a state secret who is donald trump in the mock debates and whats their strategy and their sense of the importance . That is what everybody wants to know of course is who is playing donald trump and it is being tightly held. Let me ask why . Its a good question. I think they just dont want to give any window into how theyre preparing because who is playing donald trump would reflect how they see donald trump potentially behaving in these debates and thats the wild card here. Shes doing a lot of preparing and frankly Hillary Clinton where the situation is controlled. I think its worth noting that she is probably more experienced doing president ial debates than just about anyone else in the country, she did them in 2008, did them again in this primary. So this is a forum which they expect that she can do well. The wild card here of course is donald trump. They simply dont know which donald trump is going to show up. The one who is reading from the teleprompters and following the advice of his aides or the one who is going off message . So i think shes preparing for both possibilities. Karl, as the one person at helped someone prepare for a president ial debate and done it several times, what should they be focusing on one week out . Well, actually two things, one is what is the impression that the American People have of the candidate . Good or bad . And second how can they further the better aspects of that in the debate by her performance . These debates dont tend to drive the race in an entirely different direction, at least not unless we have a train good or bad. So try and find the good points and emphasize those good points. So if you were in the corner what would you say to Hillary Clinton and what would you say to donald trump . Id say to Hillary Clinton youve been emphasizing a vision for the future of the country, share with people say things in a way that help people walk away saying, i can see her in the oval office and shes got a vision. For donald trump it is similar. Stay away from the ad hoc an impromptu. Her job is when you want change you want me, stability and continuity. For him it is reassurance that i represent change. You all know that. But in a time in which you are a little bit concerned about me, i want to lay your concerns i want to come off as the guy who had that News Conference in mexico city or went to detroit and met with people at the black church and the guy reads off the teleprompter not the guy who tells bob costa, i dont know, or says on in miami, take and lets see what happens. And what if youve got assume at some point the moderator is going to bring up the things, the terrible things they have said about each other. Whats the danger i mean, to the degree that they go on attack, they have both said the other one is unfit. Look, again, whats your goal . Your goal ought to be, look, of course we say tough things, thats the way american politics is. You dont want to make the contrast at all . You want to make the contrast by being more about you than about them. You want to spend emphasizing what you are about rather than what they are about. Wow. That sounds like a really quiet debate. Well, it will be quieter than the ones in the primaries. It will be interesting to see how donald trump performs when there is no audience to egg him on and cheer and roar. There is an audience but they are strictly told, quiet, dont say anything and leave it to the millions of American Voters to watch and decide. Thank you, panel. See you next sunday. To end atrocities and corruption in the worlds newest nation. Those new glasses . They are. Do i look smarter . Yeah, a little. Youre making money now, are you investing . Well, ive been doing some research. Let me introduce you to our broker. How much does he charge . I dont know. Okay. Uh, do you get your fees back if youre not happy . dad laughs wow, youre laughing. Thats not the way the world works. Well, the worlds changing. Are you asking enough questions wealth management, im Hillary Clinton and i approve this message. I know more about isis then the generals do. John mccain, a war hero. Hes not a war hero, hes a war hero because he was captured. I like people that werent captured ok. How would you answer that father . What sacrifice have you made for your country . I think ive made a lot of sacrifices, built great structures. Ive had tremendous success, i think. South sudan is the worlds newest nation, but it faces an age old problem, massive corruption. The countrys leaders and war lords are battling over south sudans wealth while millions of its people are caught in the crossfire. George clooney and a human rights activist named John Prendergast are leading an effort to stop it. This week we talked with them. The president and the ousted Vice President are engaged in massive corruption that leads to violence and rape and starvation and that, i think, is a Pretty Amazing thing to be able to come forward with. Two years ago clooney and prendergast put together an leaders are looting its wealth. To understand whats going on you need to know the players. The countrys president , salva keir. They have brought beautiful houses, ril las, they are hiding in kenya and they have refused to beautiful houses, hidden wealth, he should know. President keirs official salary a 60,000 a year, but among the keir family elegant villa in an Upscale Community in nairobi, kenya. And the deposed Vice President reek mashar who keir drove from office. He has been playing the same dirty financial e. Mashar tried to sell off the cou countrys oil in return for deadly weapons. While his family lives in different homes outside south sudanar from the war zone. The two of them ve spent the that mon to sunday mitia kill one another to t to seize power and with that pow be able to contracts, military contracts, for inst they could then steal more moy. The reality is every time we looked at it, you know, you will say, well, is this just ethnic or is this in some way religious or what is the argument here . And the reality is it is all about corruption and its all about they are stealing lots of money. As much as 4 billion. Most of its oil revenue, military contracts, that kind of thing. Theyre stealing it in the same way that we have seen it over the years and in the same way you would see a lot of african countries that we have seen before which is you steal it by saying, okay, im going to offer you a military contract and you are going to give me an insane kickback. In some ways you are stealing to power to steal. Its a little bit of both. And what is it doing to the millions of people in south sudan . Its a fairly rich country in a strange way, they have a lot of oil, they have mineral rights, a lot of things some gold. The people arent getting any of that money, you know, there is so much of this money thats going out of the country and not to the people, the people who deserve it. John, you and george have set up this Organization Called the sentry. What is the private sector attempt to follow the money. To build a team of financial forensic investigators who are burr owing into these systems of corruption that allow in a number of country in Eastern Central africa which is the deadliest war grown in the world that allow literally billions of dollars to be off shored through banks into real estate and other kinds of companies and all kinds of things in the international well, where are these vulnerabilities . The vulnerabilities are in their wallets. You cant shame them, but you can take their money and that changes everything. The International Institutions that do follow money for National Security issues, for terrorism and for Nuclear Proliferation issues and things like that they have their hands full right now, the last thing they will be doing is chasing assets in Eastern Central africa. So we set up our own team people who do that kind of work, officials from the fbi and treasury and other kinds of entities and we put dos yeas together and hand them over to agencies, Law Enforcement and regulatory agencies that can actually take action against these assets. What were really talking about is the use of that money and the need to collect that money being manifesting itself in incredible amounts of the tools of atrocities and with absolutely no regard for the basic citizenry, just for themselves. You met with president obama today. What are you asking him and other World Leaders to do . We are not going to them and saying, surprise. This is something they deal with, you know, every single day. They have a conversation about it. What clooney wants is for the u. S. And other countries to use the same tools in south sudan rogue regimes. Sanctions, freezing the key players out of the International Financial system. But you say bottom line war crimes shouldnt pay. Right. Yeah. Well, thats true. And, you know, our job is to be the advocates, our job is to keep pushing and poking with a stick all of the parties that we feel thats the u. N. , thats the justice department, thats the executive branch. Our job is to spoke with a stick everybody that we can knowing that its a low, slow process but it is a process we believe we can succeed with. The last time i talked with the two of you you were pushing for independence for south sudan from sudan. What went wrong . This is not a failed state, but it can be and so our job is to continueto but the promise that was what we thought in 2011 came always with the caveat saying that there is a possibility for this never to work. The thing that wasnt addressed, the missing ingredient in the International Response because south sudan did gets its independence was a very serious effort to counter corruption. We have never in africa used the treasury departments tools and the patriot acts tools related issues outside of terrorism in africa. This is the part of the interview where i ask why should our viewers care . Is there some larger geopolitical issue here or is it as simple as these people need help . The reality is that why everyone should care at home is this, a failed state leaves a vacuum and inside a vacuum we have seen what these influences can be, and those influences can absolutely com h for us as we know, as weve seen. So our the reason to do this is because we are not talking about spending a lot of money, in fact, we are doing most of the money spending right now, we are raising the money and spending it, we are just giving this to the state department, justice department, treasury and people like that to follow up. What were saying is lets stay on this because what we cannot let happen is this to fall apart actors can come in and a lot of bad things can happen from that that can come to our shores. George, i cant let this interview pass without asking you a little politics. I figured you were going to. Youve raised millions of dollars for Hillary Clinton, you have no use for donald trump. I want to ask you a bigger question. Sure. What do you make of our Politics Today . Thats a good question. Its frustrating. I grew up as a democrat in kentucky in the know, i grew up in a place i was a minority, you know, in that world. I didnt move to hollywood and become a democrat. But it wasnt as contentious and there wasnt the idea that that once one party got power that nothing was going to happen from the other side, that we are just going to just stop things cold. I worry about that. I think thats dangerous. Its a very funny thing, odd for issue as bill kristol and Charles Krauthammer and george will and people like that, usually we are not on the same side. I feel as if we need to get away from the divisiveness that we are stuck in right now and the fear that we are playing off of. You know, i think it was mur row who said we cannot be driven by fear into an age of unreason. If we look deep into our history and remember that we are not the descend events of fearful people. I think thats an imp important to remember as we go forward. John, george, thank you. Pleasure. Always. Thank you. You, too. Up next, our power player of the week. A look at the smithsonians newest museum. Filling a huge gap in a story of america. announcer vo who says your desk phone always has to be at your desk . Now, with one talk from verizon. Hi, pete. Im glad you called. announcer vo all your phones can Work Together on one number. You can move calls between phones, so conversations can go where you go. 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Lonnie bunch is director of the new museum and when the doors open next weekend people will be stunned by its historical sweep and emotional power. It takes you back in time to when the first slaves were shows how an oppressed people endured and thrived. What do you hope people take away from this museum . The story of the Civil Rights Movement is not a story simply of africanamericans struggling for freedom, its a story of expanding the notions of freedom for all americans. There is a slave cabin from South Carolina where a dozen blacks were crammed in together. And one of the few rel licks from the 1921 tulsa race high i dont tell where whites destroyed what was tn black wall street. A family whose house was burned went back in and the only thing they could recover were four charred pennies, but the family kept those pennies for generations tells a lot about how important that memory was. But bunch hopes the museum gives people a sense of the tension between times of tragedy and triumph. He shows us a segregated railway car from the era of jim crow. This this car you would walk through the front, so you actually would see the white community, then you would go be in the back where the africanamericans would be. But then he took us upstairs to an exhibit called game changers. You get money like mohammed ali and you actually say here is an athletic career and what he meant beyond that Jackie Robinsons jersey and bat . I actually get to hold Jackie Robinsons jersey into we met bunch in 2012 when he had already been leading this daunting project for s years. Lets just say that at 8 00 in the morning i have the best job in america and at 2 00 in the morning its the dumbest thing i have ever done. Now its a reality. The exterior is bronze ironwork, echoing what slaves created in charleston and new orleans, in a city of white stone it makes a statement. What we wanted to do was not to create something, you know, a black museum but to basically just hint at the notion that there has been in dark presence that we need to always now conversation about race is charred, with talks of black lives matter bunch hopes this will be a healing place. Its not concrete and glass, its not even the artifacts, its really the souls of so many people whose stories we are trying to tell, whose lives werent considered, the stuff of history, but we want to make that happen. If we do this right, america will have a chance to understand itself in maybe more complex ways. Tickets are free to the museum, but demand is so high all passes are gone through october. If you want to see the exhibition and, trust me, you do, tickets from november on are Available Online through the museums website. And thats it for today. Have a great week