This problem is for the house of representatives to pass legislation fixing our broken immigration system. Hes been president for 5 1 2 years, when will he take responsibility for something . Well discuss with Texas Governor rick perry, who met with the president , and the chair of the Homeland Security committee michael mccaul. Plus with all finger pointing between the white house and congress, how will immigration affect the november election. Our panel weighs in, right now on fox news sunday. Hello again. What began as a crisis, thousands of children attempting to cross the southern u. S. Border is now a matter of policy and politics. President obama has called on congress to approve nearly 4 billion to address the influx of children, but his discussion not to visit the border has criticized by the right and even some on the left. Well talk with a key house leader in a moment. First the governor of texas rick perry. Welcome back to fox news sunday. Good morning. Let me ask you about the call you and others have made to send the National Guard down to the border. What exactly would National Guards men and women do on the border . We called some four years ago for 1,000 National Guard troops to temporarily go to the border so they could help push forward that show the force, if you will. Theyre there for a limited period of time until you have an opportunity to train up some 3,000 more Border Patrol agents to go and replace them. What that does and you move the board are patrol forward. The president was not even aware his Border Patrol was 40, 45 miles away back from the border. They need to be right on the river, as a show of force. Thats the message that gets sent back very quickly to Central America. Its important to do that, because this flood of children is pulling around the Border Patrol from their normal duties of keeping bad people, keeping the drug cartels, theyre being distracted, so that i would suggest is a very obvious reason that those National Guard troops should come play an important role. But if you strung them out along the border, analysis guardsmen and women, they are not, under the law, allowed to apprehend any of these children that are crossing, are they . Well, the issue is with being able to send that message. Its the visual that i think is the most important. We know that. We listen to the conversations or i should say their conversations are being monitored with calls back to the Central America, and the message is come on up here, everything is great, theyre taking care ofs. That needs to stop. If you dont stop the blooding. If you dont staunch the flow of individuals coming up here, it will only get worse. At that point in time, the size of this crisis will be even more monumental. I think everybody agree with his that, governor, but the question im trying to get at with you is this if these children undergoing the harrowing journeys to escape the most desperate conditions from their conditions have gotten this far, are they really going to be detier by the presence of troops along the border who wont shoot them and cant arrest them . I think were talking about two Different Things here. What were talking about is sending the message back now so we can staunch the bleeding. Those here to address them to human tearily take care of them, process them as quickly as you can to reunite them with their families. Thats the most humanitarian thing that we can do, and the National Guard is absolutely a Trained Group of men and women that can address that particular function, one that they should. Theyre not there in a vacuum. We have massive amounts of texas Law Enforcement now, whether its our texas ranger recon teams there. You saw some of that on fox this last week with the boats that we have in the river, the texas parks and wildlife. Those are all Law Enforcement individuals who can in fact arrest those that have illegally come in and appropriately deal with them. But more importantly, this is allowing the Border Patrol to get back to what they are supposed to do. Right now, reports of up to 70 of them are taking care of these young people who have come in rather than doing their job of securing the border. Governor, let me turn, if i can, to the president s comments the other day after his meeting with you, in which he said that he hoped that you would put the heat on the texas delegation, texas congressional delegation to pass this nearly 4 million mesh tower hes proposing to address the crisis. First, what do you think about the proposal . And second, are you prepared or at least encourage the members of the texas delegation to vote for it . I appreciate the time the president gave me. I think it was important for him to take time and listen to what is going on on the border. I do think he should go to the border himself and take a look, just like some of these democrat colleagues, and a number of us on the republican side want him to. As i look at that piece of legislation, it is a very large amount of money. As you analyze it, very little of it is for Border Security. I think until he gets realistic about the problem and how you deal with the problem and it is a Border Security issue. Weve got a track record of fiveplus years of disregarding whats going on on the border. Heres his opportunity to truly lead. Dont blame this on anyone. Be a leader, lay out a plan, and i will suggest actually the president doesnt have to have this big amount of money. He could pick up the phone today, call the dod and direct them to have the 1,000 troops ott otter. In other words, governor you dont particularly support the bill and youre not encouraging your delegation to pass this. Is that a Fair Assessment . I think you have distilled the correct answer. Let me see if i can make another distillation. The laws on the books now seem to mean if one of these children from Central America is ability to set foot on american soil, shes entitled to be taken into custody, given a notice, and then cared for by the federal government until their case can be disposed of by a judge. That being the case, doesnt the law have to be changed to stem the flow of these children coming into the country . Yes, it does well, there are two things going on here. That law needs to be changed, partly because it was discriminatory, other than mexicans and individuals that come from mexico. I think members of congress understand it needs to be change, both democrats and republicans, but the other side is, to staunch this flow, you do not have to have a change of law. What you have to have is this clear presence on the border, where people understand that you no lodger can just freely walk across the rio grande and stay in america from now on. Thats the message to be sent. I get thats the message. What i dont quite understand it is with the law being the way it is, the presence of more troops or forces on the border who are not legally able to apprehend these immigrants, these border crossers, is going to change anything without the law being changed first. Heres the way it will. The presence and weve done this multiple times. Weve surged large amounts of texas Law Enforcement with local Law Enforcement and coordinating with the Border Patrol into sectors. We dont have the ability on a 1200mile border to do that. About 20 of the individuals coming across are unaccompanied alien children. You have 80 of people out there that these falls dont fall into, but were being pulled away to deal with the children. My point is you bring boots on the ground to send that message clearly, both visually and otherwise. At that particular point in time, i think this flow from Central America gets staunched by a substantial margin. The president would be wise to put the National Guard troops on the border, and he doesnt have to have congresss approval for that. Pick up the phone, be a leader, makes a difference. Governor, i think we got the message. Thank you for joining us today. Yes, sir. Let es bring in Homeland Security economiee chairman, congressman michael mccaul, also of texas. First of all, chairman, lets talk about this situation. Im not talking about the flow of adult aliens from everywhere, but the children who have come in such numbers now from the last year or more from Central America. As governor perry noted, the law treats them differently. What is your view on the law and the changes that may be needed in it, and what kind of priority does that deserve in trying to address this crisis . There are two laws at issue. One was an executive action taken by the president after congress failed to pass the dream act. In 2012. What does that do . It allowed illegal aliens, children to stay in the United States. But only a certain category of illegal alien children, correct . Prior to 2007. So these children crossing the border now are ineligible for the protection afforded by that law. They are, but the problem is the drug traffickers who market this to the children in Central America, and make money off them, 5,000 to 8,000 a head, are selling this line that if they get into the United States, they can stay. What dhs, department of Homeland Security interviewed 90 of these children said, i came because i could get a free pass, a permiso to state in the United States. That doesnt necessarily mean that the obama order caused that isnt it the case, as i discussed with governor perry, under the law if they get their feet on the ground, theyre entitled to a range of protection to keep them in this country for some period of time, and at the rate of 50,000 a year, its likely to be a long time indeed before deportation proceedings can be carried out. Thats correct. The First Executive action created the perception they get a free pass. The second piece,s 2008 law, if youre from mexico, you have a more expeditious removal from the United States, returned homes. Other than mexicans are treated differently, and we thing they should be treated the same. Would that mean, would it not, a Border Patrol agent apprehending a group of these children could say, im sorry, turn them away on the spot, correct . It would provide fora more swift removal and return to home safely to Central America. Those with fear of percent could you and violence, have a legal basis to possibly stay, but we think that law needs to be changed. You have to do that, because you have to have a merge of deterrence. Brit, i was down there on the border, unlike the president , i saw the children, mothers with their babies, its heartwrenching. I also saw 17yearolds who looked more like a threat coming into the United States. Theyre caught in the middle between the administrations policies and what the drug traffickers are doing in Central America. So they have this perilous dangerous journey through mexico where theyre exploited, abused, raped, and in some cases dont make it at all. We think if we change this law, we can protect and save these children. All right. Where does legislatively where does this whole matter stand . The president has requested fourplus billion, which i guess in addition to dealing with this also deals with money for wildfires, and this attempt to change the law. Can he get any of this money without the law being changed first or at least part of it . Our view as house republicans, is look, were not going to write a blank check for 4 billion. It will be a more targeted approach, but also on the policy side, im on the speakers working group, were looking at things like changing the 2008 law, were looking at things like my Border Security bill passed out of my committee, putting that as a provision, so finally we can get this thing done. How likely will there be action on this soon . I believe we have to act soon. Theres a crisis at hand that demoonds action, a call for, a. Its a tragic human crisis at the border, none line ive ever seen. I think we need to act before the august recess. What do you think the chances are . I think very good, if we can have a targeted appropriations bill that also how much would you be willing to vote for . Thats up to the appropriators, but i think it will be limited to the end of this fiscal year rather than a twoyear appropriation. You know, 4 of the president s supplemental budget deals with Border Security. We think more should be allocated. Against my bill deals with that in an accountable way with a twoyear timeline to get operational control. Most people want security first. In the meantime are you repared to vote for money to accommodate these children who have already crossed . I think we have to deal with this in a humane and compassionate way, but im not willing to warehouse the children. If were going to build facilities, perhaps we should think about do that in the cunning of origin, where they can better deal with the children. That wont be cheap, will it . Look, again, its about deterren deterrence, security and dealing with these children in a hue main, compassionate way to return them safely to home. Mr. Chairman, good of you to come in. Change you for joining us. 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Watching out for things your credit card alone cant. [ alert rings ] and relentlessly protecting your identity. Get lifelock protection and live life free. [ alert rings ] the Israeli Air Force dropped thousands of leaflets over northern gaza warning residents to evacuate ahead of an expected military offensive, shelling and air strikes continued last night. For the first time in this round with hamas, the israelis put some boots on the ground. Yesterday the United NationsSecurity Council weighed in, calling for an immediate ceasefire. David lee miller is on the israel gaza border with the latest. Good morning, david. Good morning, brit. For the First Time Since this current got under way, Israeli Forces crossed the border. Early this morning under cover of darkness, a Commando Unit attacked longrange rocked launchers in gaza city during a fire fight four Israeli Soldiers were wounded. This all happened only hours after militants fired a barrage of rockets into central israel. Residents of tel aviv in the surrounding area much of saturday night were racing to bomb shelters hamas issued a vague threat about an impending attack. At 9 08, a barrage of rockets rained down on central israel. Rockets threatening lives and problem were intercepted by the iron dome missile system. There were no injuries. At least 21 people were killed in a strike at the home of the hamas police chief, many were reportedly leaving a nearby mosque. Israel is targeting militants homes as part of the offensive. In total, 120 homes have been bombed. So far more than 150 people have been killed in gaza. Many of them civilians, including children. Israel accuses hamas of using its own people as human shields. Brit, as you mentioned, israel in the past day has been dropping leaflets over northern gaza, telling residents there to evacuate in anticipate of what they describe as a brief military operation. During the past few hours, we have seen a number of air strikes in that area, but nowhere near the number some had expected. This is a part of gaza home to some 100,000 palestinians, and so far today there have been at least 60 rocket attacks, rockets fired by militants into israel. Brit . David lee miller, thank you very much. Lets bring in israeli Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu joins us from jerusalem. Mr. Prime minister, thank you. Nice to have you with us. Can you tell us thank you. I wish it could be under other circumstances. Understood. Can you tell us how much of your mission you have accomplished so far, the strikes that you have mounted accomplished so far, in your judgment . Well, first let me say what the mission is. Our mission is to restore a sustainable quiet, a sustainable security to our people by seriously degrading hamas and other terrorist groups capabilities in gaza. I think were proceeding and well continue until that goal is achieved. How much of it is achieved, sir, in your judgment so far . Well, ill leave that to the discussion of our inner cabinet and general staff, but i think the important thing to understand is we could enable or population to be under continuous rocket fire. I just want your viewers to imagine the United States being bombarded not in one city or two cities, but in every city between new york and colorado. Maybe 20 of the United States would be exempt from this. 80 of your citizens would have to be in bomb shelters or ready to go into bomb shelters within a minute to minute and a half max. No country can accept that, we cant accept it, and well take the necessary actions to stop it. There seems to be little disagreement about that in this country, mr. Prime minister, but obviously theres concern that a conflict like this can have unintended consequences, and people i think are wondering whether you are nearer the beginning of this offensive or near the end of it. Can you give us an assessment of that . Well, whether were at the beginning of the end or end of the beginning, im not going to tell you right now, because we face a very brutal terrorist enemy. I mean, heres the difference between us. We are using Missile Defense to protect our civilians, and theyre using their civilians to protect their missiles. Thats basically the difference. Theyre embedding these rockets that theyre firing wholesale into our cities, terrorist rockets, trying to kill as many as they can. Theyre not succeeded because of two reasons. One is because weve developed this incredible Missile Defense system, which i think is a Stark Development in the history of defensive warfare, with u. S. Help, and i want to thank the american people, president obama, the u. S. Congress, for helping us fund this amazing development, but the other reason were succeeding, you have to understand some of the rockets do pierce through this shield. The reason were succeeding is because were targeting the rock rocketeers, these homes are actually command posts of the hamas and Islamic Jihad army. Thats where they have their secure communications, weapon caches, rockets hiding, map rooms, so on. These are the command posts. Obviously were not going to give them immunity. We have to attack and we try to minimize civilian casualties. With this kind of enemy, well take whatever necessary means we need to take. I tell you, brit, weve tried surgical action. Were not insdrim nan. Its very tough. There will always be civilian casualty,s which we regret, but we have to defend our people. And thats what well do. How likely is it youll need to initiate a Ground Invasion to accomplish the mission you have described . Well take the means necessary. You know, if this can be achieved through diplomatic or military means, whatever military means, well do what is necessary and what any country would do, what the United States would do, what britain would do, what france would do. Many, many other countries understand this. I have spoken to president obama and a good number of world leaders, they all understand israels inherent right of selfdefense, the fact that the attacks are unconscionable, and im not going to get into the specifics of our operational response. I assure you that we have an operational response. Understood. Let me turn to the subject of iran, which i know is of enorms on concern to you. Irans Prime Minister was saying on another broadcast, quote, we dont see any benefit in iran developing a Nuclear Weapon. He went on to say its simply not happening. I think i know your reaction, but lets hear it from you. Its a joke. Of course theyre developing Nuclear Weapons. You can start counting it . Maybe hundreds of billions for what isotopes for circulating the earth . What are they developing building these enormous underground Nuclear Facilities if not for Nuclear Weapons . If they just wanted energy, they could have it without centrifuging for enrichment, without plutonium. So this is a sham. I dont think anybody could take this seriously. I think we have to remember which is the same iran that is arming, financing, training the hamas and Islamic Jihad. This is the preeminent terrorist empire over time, not even a terrorist state. An empire. You dont want this iran to have Nuclear Weapons or the capability to make Nuclear Weapons, to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb in short order, a few weeks or months. They could do that unless thats changed. I think its possible to stop them, brit. I think the important thing is to replicate the syrian deal, where the capability to make the weapons was dismantled and removed from the soil. Were about, what, eight days now from the deadline for the u. S. And its partners to reach a deal with iran to try to dismantle the Nuclear Weapons program. The situation looks bleak as of now. Your assessment of that and whether any you can see the outlines of any deal that would be acceptable to you . Well, brit, i think a bad deal is actually worse than no deal. I can tell you what a bad deal would be and what a good deal would be. A bad deal would be that iran gets to keep the enriched material and the capacity to enrich further to make a bomb, and put inspectors there, leave them with the capability, put inspectors there, trust them not to break up. I think thats a terrible deal. A good deal is what was achieved under president obama, the United States cooperating with russia in the case of syria. They didnt tell us, okay, you can keep your chemicals and the means to convert these chemicals into weapons, and well inspect. Thats what the iranians are suggesting, but thats not the deal in syria was. The deal was you dismantle these materials and capabilities and ship them out of syria. Thats a good deal. That deal would be good. If you can get it do it, if you cant do it, dont make a balance deal. How likely is it, given the negotiations, that the kind of bad deal that you described may be what emerges here . I certainly hope that doesnt happen. I think it would be a catastrophic development, because you know the middle east is in turmoil, everything is topsyturvy, the worst militants, shiites and sunni radicals are vying with each other who will be the king of the islamist hill. They see 9 United States as the great satan, were in this case as your appendage, in their eyes. In a sense theyre right, were a part of that freedom they despise so much, but if any one of these sides get their hands on Nuclear Weapons, all bets are off. Many nations would rush to have their Nuclear Weapons here, i think the people who support terrorists would have a Nuclear Weapon shield. It would be a disaster for the United States and for everyone else. Mr. Prime minister, thank you very much. I hope it doesnt happen. Im working so it doesnt happen. Understood. Thank you, sir. Thank you, brit. Our next guest thinks a twopart solution is becoming less and less likely. With us now, fox nubs Foreign Affairs analyst and former ambassador dennis russ. Welcome back. Thank you. Nice to be with you. Benjamin netanyahu didnt really answer my question about how worried he is that a bad deal will come out. From your observation of the negotiations, whats your thought . First, i think the prospect of a deal in the near term is very low. The reason for that is that the essence of a deal that the five plus one that have been working with iran has been a rollback of the Nuclear Program for a rollback of sanctions. What the iranians have said, you roll back the sanctions, and well give you transparency. Thats exactly what the Prime Minister was describing, inspections in exchange for our lifting the sanctions. But hes suggesting a dismantling of the capabilities. The five plus one has been focusing on the rolling back, where the iran would be pushed back a couple years and that would give you a high level of confidence with the transparency that you would know if they were cheating and they would have time to do something about it. What do you think of that concept . I think that could be workable if you roll them back enough. They have 20,000 isntry fujs now. If you roll them back to, say, 1,000, you put them back a couple years, and if you have very extensive verification means and i would like to see much like we had in iraq, if you have that you have a high level of confidence if they tried to cheat you could catch them and havement of time to do something about it. I would suggest if you had that kind of deal we should work out with the israelis very soon before such a deal what would be the consequences if you caught them cheating, and agree on what those would be. That puts you in a very different place. Right now even that deal isnt in the offing, because iran doesnt want to roll back the program. They want to roll back the sanctions, but not the program. They say we have peaceful intent, just what you have reading from zarifs statement, and all you need is some verification to see it. This is a country that has basically violated all of its obligations under the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty for a long time, so theres no reason to accept their intent. Theres a very important reason to impose verification standards on them. And you dont think any of that theyre not going to make this deadline. Not going to happen by july 20th. And perhaps long negotiations are yet to come, in your eyes. The only way it happens in my mind it if the iranians come to the conclusion they have much more to lose. If they think they dont, we wont have a deal. Let me turn to gaza and the exchange of rocket fire. Whats the danger this gets out of hand and we end up with a fullblow conflagration with israel and its neighbors . Theres always a danger that something thats unintended takes place. It was interesting in your interview he was very care of that he didnt say where they were in terms of where they are with the objectives. This is someone a Prime Minister who is defining the objective as the restoration of calm. Thats a very different from defining the objective as the dismantling of hamas. It means to me theres still a good deal of care thats and judicious care being adopted by the Israeli Government in terms of how they approach this. I think they want to avoid having that kind of major conflagration if they can, but if a rocket hits the wrong target, you never know what could happen. It seeps that netanyahu is trying to suppress this rocket fire, that hes not trying to destroy hamas, hes not prepared to go that far. Thats right. Why is that not why is he not prepared to do that . Think think for a couple reasons. If the israel has to go on the ground youre going into an environment thats inhospitable for a team civilians galore. You will kill a lot of civilians even if its not your intent. You will lose a lot of people of your own, youll Face International pressure and its not clear what you could achieve. Having said that, there is a different situation than existed before. Before you had tunnels from egypt that provided constant material and constant smuggling, which allowed hamas to build up this rocket capability. Egyptians today have choked off those tunnels. That wasnt the case before. If you can in fact set back the rocketproducing capability, their storage capability, which is something that the israelis are trying to do right now, then if you bring this to an end, youre buying a lot more time. So the costs of trying to go in there on the ground is quite high, which i think is a reason the Prime Minister is trying to avoid that, and i think theres a recognition that you can achieve something, even if you continue doing what youre doing. The problem is youre never sure can you keep this contained . I do think if the israelis go in, a lot of what they will do is specialized operations, and near the bodder theyre go after all the tunnels that hamas has been digging to try to get into israel to avoid the prospect of future kidnappings. You have suggested that the preoccupation of the world with all the things going on in the middle east have detracted or subtracted from the focus on israel and palestinian peace. It seems that the current practices there, combined with what you said means the prospects for anything on that agenda are really way in the background now. You have two different worlds right now between israelis and palestinians. The gaps are enormous. Where you need to stop, when this conflict ends, prevent further detire yags and try to rebuild a situation that makes peat down the road possible. Its not possible now. Ambassador, thank you for joining us. Just as we finished the question with the Prime Minister, there was alert for incoming missiles from gaza. Should the u. S. Be doing move . Go to facebook or twitter and let us know what you think. Up next the sunday panel on how the standoff could affect the elections this fall and in 2016. Stay with us. Our message to those who are coming here illegally, to those contemplating coming here illegally into south texas is we will send you back. It is a disaster of the president s own making. It is a disaster that is the direct consequence of president obamas lawlessness. There you had a couple voices. Homeland security secretary jeh johnson trying to present a strong front, as the white house takes heat from republicans like congressman crows. Joining us is karl rove, laura ingraham, bob woodward and juanwomen. Karl, lets start with you. Ted cruz and others saying its all president obamas fault. What about that . A large measure of it stems from the 2012 order, for the better part of a decade each and every year. 2012 when he puts this order out, that number jumps to 10,000. Fy13 its 20,000. Fy 14 through june of this year it was 39. In the last four years almost another 12,000. A question about that law. That law said that minors who came here before 2007 would have a path to citizenship basically. Yes. So it doesnt apply to these kids. But chairman mccakaucall caud this is being exploited by the drug car tells, but if you get to thens, you will be able stay here. As a matter of fact, bob, the way the law is, for kids from Central America you can kind of get a per miso, cant you . I think we have to use the language of soccer, and that is i think the administration and the republicans are on the road to getting a yellow card on this issue and run the danger of getting a red card. This is really a dual crisis, humanitarian crisis, but its a governing crisis. The government is not functioning. Obama and the republicans should be able to if we sat here this afternoon, all of us, and said lets work up some plan that could be executed and maybe some legislation, you could fix this thing. What would you do . Well, you would make it come up with something that is rational, something that is fair. What . What . Well, look, its in obamas proposal, some of it, and some of the things the republicans, what they want. They want a serious Law Enforcement effort. That should be the part of any plan. Border security, in other words. Laura, your parts. Anyone whos spent any time in the villages of southern guatemala knows that the intricacies of u. S. Law isnt driving this. Theres an overall sent that the word deportation for both parties is a fourletter word. Republicans dont want to talk about it for fear of offending the latino vote. The democrats dont want to do it because they think its basically fair. I think its smart for the coyotes to take advantage of this. 556 days for a hear is the average even if you are found at the border. Even democrats have they had this most of these uncompanied minor with an adult will not be showing up for the hearing. The rpgs many want immigration reform, you the president has facilitated it, but the republicans are not off the hook. If john boehner had taken this comprehensive reform off the table early on, i dont think he probably would have had as many unaccompanied minors coming here now. You said the brick indications were lost on these people. No, because the general sense is deportation wont happen even if republicans are in charge. Its not whether seismt 3b applies, but the sense you can come here, go to public skiles, get obama care, but the republicans attitude i think has made it worse over the years. Juan, your thoughtsivities i go back to the 2008 law, but Congress Approved this almost overwhelmingly, brit. It was it was a voice vote. Remember, people who are strong opponents, they were all on board. Why . Because this is a compassionate law. The evangelical community on the conservative side, very responsive. People who are conservative said these the right thing to do, when you say to bob, what should we do specifically . I dont think its any question, you want due process. Theyre getting that. Thats under law. But youve got to speed it up. Right now things are so backlogged because of the absence of comprehensive immigration law, things are clogged up, making everyone i hate to engage in my regular rue tease of correcting juan. I quote from section 211, victims of severe forms of trafficking. This only affects children who have been forced child labor, forced into being child soldiers, or are victims of sex trafficking. This is bigger than the wilbur force law. Let me interrupt for just a second. But the procedures, the process is such that if you get yew feet on the ground, you get to stay and have a hearing. The average is, what, 556 days . Thats for some classes. Its less than 100 for all of them, but it is a problem. We treat mexicans and canadians differently than anybody else in the world. If youre from mexico and canada and arrive in the United States, we can without an administrative hearing move you right back out of the country. Everyone else gets a hearing. We need to have everyone in the world treed like we treat mexicans and canadians. These ref to the noncanadian and nonmexican as otms. Why are we in the weeds on this . I think its a leadership question. I think the president and Speaker Boehner the president will not stand for election again. A lot of people think boehner will not seek being speaker again. These two should be able to sit down and work something out. Obama thinks this helps the case for comprehensive immigration reform. Dont lose focus on these kids. Give justice to these children. Justice to the taxpayers would be nice. We have to take a break. When we come back. Could the scrutiny of his foreign policy, and the Immigration Crisis affects 2014 hopes for democrats and for republicans. Our panel is back with their take in a moment. Back now with our panel. Some recent polling might give us a sense of how people are reacting to the wave of problems confronting the administration. This one is a quinnipiac poll on how people feel about whether the president is competent or not. You see the question. 54 feel the president has not been competent running the government, i believe against 44 who say otherwise. Laura ingraham, lets start with you. The the politics of this issue, the border combined with the other wave of issues the president is facing, as we look as later 2014 and 2016. I travel a lot, as i know other members of the panel doh and theres a sense of people that things are spinning out of the control. On the issue of the border, i know you have talked about that cantor race a month or so ago, the last four, five weeks of that campaign was focused on the issue of immigration and the border. People want legal immigration, but the sense is the government has to do better by us, we have a lot of concerns, lets renew the homeland. We can deal with all these other issues, but we have to get americans back to work. People are very, very concerned. I think it hurts the republicans, obama, but the republicans are not in the clear here. You dont expect them to gain from all of this . If their answer is we have to do comprehensive immigration reform, i dont think the republicans will get a big bump out of it. Maybe in some states, but not in general. I think theres a sense that the president is not acting in a commanding way. So the answer is . If you look at numbers, obam i think clear politics has him in the 41, but approval of congress is close to single digits. So what is the consequence . What happens in the fall . I dont think this plays in heavily except for the confidence issue. If people think the president is incompetent, some republicans have said this is his katrina moment. If that become as theme, it could be devastating. Bob, how do you see this political politically . Its a mess, and somebodys got to fix it. Karl rove had a column in wall street journal about obama going to all these fundraisers, the equivalent hold that thought for just a second. This is a statistic that may surprise some people concerning the number of fundraisers that president obama has attended at this stage of his presidency compared to president bush. 393 against 216. I didnt have any idea the number was that high. What about that . Thats an extraordinary number in focus. All president s do fundraisers and so forth, but you spend time talking to people on the hill, democrats, and they feel the president is disengaged from so many of these things. I think the president has got to get engaged. He clearly is capable. You know, i think of tif the political pressure builds, he will act. He is capable of that. The white house likes to play this down you think the president will be able to do things between now and the fall that will ameliorate the political effects of these various crises . Sure. Its possible. If he would do things, kind of say this is the port to which we are sailing, on immigration and in Foreign Affairs. Key is the relationship with Speaker Boehner. I think obama holds boehner in some disdain. I know when i talked to boehner for my last book, he said the big problem with the white house is you dont know who is in charge. Now, obama is in charge, but for somebody like boehner to say that and really believe that, and theres lots of evidence, the question is who on lots of these issues is in charge so you can get something done, forward movement. Karl . Utter disaster for the president this fall. He doesnt have time or inclination to get out of it. The worse the president is, the better it is for republicans. You know, let me just ask that may be so, but its an interesting situation. Juan correctly pointed out the president doesnt push against thats right, you dont vote between the president and congress. Were not a parliamentary system. If one person says im going to go there and support president obama, and the other sis id going to act as a check and balance. If you want to send a message to do better, vote for me, and the people who are stuck thats why mark udall from colorado this week didnt even show up at the president s fundraiser for him in his own state. Karl rove, panel, thank you very much. Well see you next week. Coming up, a final word. Stay with us. Hey, look at you youre an emailing, texting, master of the digital universe. But do you protect yourself . Apparently not. When you access everything, you give everyone access to everything about you. But thats ok. While you do your thing. [ alert rings ] well be here at lifelock, doing our thing. Watching out for things your credit card alone cant. [ alert rings ] and relentlessly protecting your identity. Get lifelock protection and live life free. 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