Palestinian state. It has been in a lot of ways a guiding principle. Its clear that israel is no longer committed to that outcome. Our sunday Group Discusses that and our interview with john brennan. And our power player of the week, mitt romneys former Campaign Manager now leaving the opo Research Effort against democrats. All these people here are focussed on secretary clinton. All right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again from fox news. Today at cia headquarters in virginia. This is the agencys iconic entrance here with the cia seal. In this complex, thousands of officers work around the clock collecting intelligence and directing covert operations to protect the u. S. From foreign threats. But while the cia is the stuff of spy movies and tom clancy novels, in real life, the agency has a unique insight into whats happening in hot spots around the world. Today we take you inside for a rare and exclusive interview with the man who heads the spy agency, director john brennan. Director, were here in the cias private museum. Tell us about this model next to us. Well, first of all, welcome, chris to our museum that were quite proud of. This is the model of the compound in abad bad that o sam ma bin laden was hiding for years. That was the site of the takedown of bin laden. Theres still a lot we didnt know at the time as far as the inside of the building and what bin laden and his cohorts might have planned in terms of blowing up the building and confronting any type of force that would come in. Lets talk about a current threat iran. What if the talks fall apart and there is no deal . Whats your best intelligence . Will iran race to develop a Nuclear Weapon . Or are they more likely to go back to where we were before the talks, just a couple of months short of breakout . The Nuclear Program is one issue that were hoping to be able to halt, but also we see that iran is still a statesponsored terrorism. So what we have to do, whether theres a deal or not, is to continue to keep pressure on iran and to make sure that it is not able to continue to destabilize a number of countries in the region. I want to get into that in a moment. On the deal whats your guess what happens if there is no deal . Do they breakout or do they stay just short of that . I think they realize there will be tremendous costs and consequences and implications if they were to decide to go for a breakout. There are a number of things that the United States has available to it to prevent iran from getting a bomb. President obama has made it very clear that we are going to prevent iran from having that type of Nuclear Weapon that they may were going on the track to obtain. So, if they decide to go down that route, they know that they will do so at their payrollfor rels. On the other hand, if there is a deal can we verify that iran is living up to that deal . Here is what israeli Prime Minister netanyahu told congress. Iran defies inspectors, it plays a pretty good game of hide and cheats with them. Question how confident are you that between the new inspections regime under the agreement and your intelligence in the area that you would be able to ensure that iran was not secretly building a Nuclear Weapon . Not a question of trusting the iranians on this. I know that secretary kerry and president obama are comfortable with what it is that we are insisting on as far as a verification regime. But, frankly, our track record when it comes to iran and its Nuclear Program is not good. Iranian opposition groups in 2002 were the ones that revealed that the regime had secret facilities in iraq. One of your predecessors, Michael Hayden says that they had done a lot of work before we knew about it. Fact is, they pulled us repeatedly the iranians. I think weve gone to school on some of those developments over the last decade or so that we can now have a better plan and opportunity to verify some of the things that they are saying they are going to do and not do. Are you aware of an underground site near teheran . I know there are a lot of reports. I wont get into what it is we know about the iran Nuclear Program. I am confident that we are a good understanding of what the iranian Nuclear Program entails. The reason i ask is Iranian Opposition groups say there is a secret Nuclear Facility there that we havent known about. I think we have confidence that were aware of the facilities that iran has right now. And is going to be a lot of speculation and rumors about other facilities. Im confident we have a good appreciation of what the Iranian Nuclear consists of. What is the danger of Nuclear Arms Race across the southeast. If theres a deal, the sunni nations are going to match whatever it is we allow the iranians to do. Doesnt that just lead to an arms race . We talked to the gulf partners. Were trying to stay close in touch with them. I believe they have confidence that the United States is going to be sort of the security guarantor in that region to prevent this type of escalation thats going to include Nuclear Weapons. But when you have top saudi Officials Say theyre going to top what we have iran have, doesnt that create an arms race . We are going to keep close communication, im confident the saudis will be a responsible partner and player in the region. Which is a greater threat to the u. S. , iran or isis . I think theyre both threats. The reason i ask is irans reach i dont have to tell you is spreading into iraq, into syria, into lebanon now into yemen. The general is leading the offensive tu crete. Here he is what you said recently. Theres an alignment of some interest between ourselves and iran, clearly in terms of what isil has done there. Do you really think that the u. S. And iran Share Interests . I think whats isil has been doing in the region is something that is counter to u. S. Interests as well as iranian interests. And the iranians are now engaged with their iraqi partners to try to push back these forces of terrorism inside of iraq. So, iran does have an interest in preventing further isil terrorist attacks. At the same time i think they need to be responsible as far as what theyre doing inside iraq and not further inflaming that situation. But your immediate predecessor in this job, general David Petraeus said this week iran is not an ally its part of the problem, not part of the solution. And Benjamin Netanyahu when he spoke to Congress Said the enemy of your enemy is not your friend he is your enemy. Well, i wouldnt say iran is an ally right now. What im saying is that the iranians are pursuing their interests inside of iraq, some of which include efforts against isil and preventing that phenomenon from growing. The concern is that we are letting iran back into iraq and other areas and i understand that we dont have a veto power, but the concern is that we are letting them play a bigger role were not letting them play that role. Theyre working with the iraqis to play that role. Were working with the iraqis as well. The iranians are involved as a neighboring state. They have interests there. Head of the kuds force is somebody who has been very aggressive very active. Many things that are further destabilizing the situation there so i wouldnt concern iran an ally inside of iraq right now, what im saying is that the forces that dash has brought to bare in iraq generated an iranian reaction. They need to make sure theyre not pursuing a separate agenda from the what the nation of the iraq people need. Congress was told recently that isis is losing but isis is still dug into iraq and syria. They now have affiliates across north africa. They were possibly responsible for these terrible attacks this week in tunisia and yemen. Director, can we really say isis is losing . Clearly isis momentum inside of iraq and syria has been blunted and it has been stopped. So they are not on the march as they were several months ago. So our working with the iraqis and the iraqis now trying to push back against it, it is having some great, i think, progress. At the same time, this phenomenon throughout the entire region is something that we need to work with our partners. We see whats happening in other countries and these franchises that are growing up in libya and other areas. They claim responsible for attacks in tunisia and yemen. This is something that clearly is not just restricted to iraq and syria. We cannot relent we have to work with our partners in the region. Here is what you said in 2012. If a decade before 9 11 at the time of al qaedas rise and the decade after was the time of its decline, i believe this decade will be the one that sees its demise. Director brennan werent you just flat wrong about that . No. When we look at al qaeda and look what has happened to al qaeda as the core of al qaeda that was in the area of afghanistan and pakistan, they have taken some really big hits. But respectfully sir, when you were saying this is the decade of al qaedas demise, i dont think most people thought well, yes, there will be an offshoot called isis which spreads across the middle east. This phenomenon that dash represents right now is a new one. It is one that has grown up in the past two years. But its an offshoot against al qaeda. We have pushed al qaeda back and prevent their attacks, but there are these offshoots as you say. This is a phenomenon that we have to deal with and i do think over the next decade this will be a long, hard fight. I guess what im asking is didnt you give the American People and the president give the American People a false sense of confidence back in 2012 about our fight against islamic terrorists at a time perhaps not so coincidentally when the president was running for reelection. We said al qaeda was on the run. We said that al qaeda was really bloodied. It was not the same organization that it was at 9 11 as well as in the years after that. There was no sense that i think either i or the president or others gave to the American People that terrorism was going away. But weve made great progress against a lot of these groups that had plans in place to carry out attacks. You talked recently of the ideology, your word that fuels isis. What is that ideology . It is a very twisted perverted interpretation of a religion that they purport to represent but in no way do they represent. Its an ideology of violence. Thats what it is. It is not a religious ideology. Islam is certainly a part of it . They purport to be muslims. The overwhelming majority of muslims renounce what theyre doing. This gets to your refusal and the president s refusal to talk about islamic extremism. Michael flynn former head of the Defense Intelligence agency said he cant defeat an enemy unless you define it. Egyptian president called for a revolution. The muslims have to stand up and correct this. Misinterpretation and picture of what muslim is. If isis is selling its ideology, its brand, twisted brand of islam to followers and pulling in recruits, dont you have to confront that . And we are confronting it. Why not say this is a perverted form of islam and here is what were doing to stop it and this is why theyre wrong about islam instead of ignoring that . Thats what weve said. It is a corruption of the islamic faith. It is a distortion of it. It does not represent the Muslim Community or islam. Are you prepared to say their islamic extremists . Theyre violent terrorists who misrepresent what the islamic religion is about. Yes, absolutely. What is your read on russian president putin . What are his Strategic Ambitions . I think president putin has a view of what sort of russia nationalism is that unfortunately i think he has put some of the personal interests himself and senior members of russian government ahead of the best interests of russian people. Havent we misread putin throughout the ukraine crisis . President obama kept talking about giving putin off ramps, but in a movie on the First Anniversary of the invasion, putin said he always saw crimea as part of russia and he was even willing to put Nuclear Forces on alert. He never had any intention of backing down. I think mr. Putin has demonstrated that hes going to continue to push as far as what his objectives are inside of ukraine. Wasnt it naive to talk about off ramps . No. What mr. Putin himself needs to do is understand how he can abstract himself from this situation because it is coming at the cost of the russian economy and russian people being hurt. He is happy with the situation. I dont believe he is happy with the situation. As director of the cia do you see any indication that Vladimir Putin wants out of ukraine . I see that what we need to do is to continue to put pressure on mr. Putin so that the ukrainen people and government can have a future that is going to be peaceful, safe and secure. But do you see any sign hes looking for an off ramp . I think there are signs that this discomfort that is associated with this is becoming more uncomfortable. When we come back more of our exclusive interview with cia director john brennan. Why was his agency surprised by the spread of isis . And putins move on ukraine. Did the enhanced interrogation of terror suspects after 9 11 produce Key Information or not . 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President obama says the Intelligence Community underestimated isis spread during the early part of 2014. Other Officials Say that you made the same mistake when it came to the spread of the iranian back rebels in yemen and the general belief was before he invaded that putin wasnt going to go into ukraine. Why do those misjudgments happen . Our ability to evaluate some of these things is limited if we dont have the presence, dont have the insights capabilities, but i think weve done a very good job over the course of time identifying some of these new waves that have come through. But intelligence is not a perfect science. It is one that is based on the intelligence information that we get, the insight, the assessments. What we try to do is give policymakers a sense of these developments as they unfold. But critics would say are we getting enough . Are we getting our moneys worth for the billions we spend on intelligence . Arent those serious mistakes . No. The world is a complicated place. There are a number of developments that are going on right now in countries that unfold with i think great speed as well as result of some of the actions that individual political leaders take. Unfortunately, the challenges that government faced in a number of these countries are significant. Speaking of misjudgments, a special National Intelligence estimate concluded that the pullout by president obama of all of our troops from iraq in december of 2011 helped set the stage for this spread of isis. Wasnt the pullout a mistake . I think the fault really lies with a number of the iraqis who wasted and squandered the opportunity they had after the government was reconstituted not to put at rest some of these sectarian tensions and not to be more inclusive as far as bringing the Sunni Community in. What about the special National Intelligence estimate that the pullout of National Troops contributed . Clearly u. S. Military forces provide a tremendous capability to our partners whether it be in iraq or other countries. But it really is up to these countries military forces to step up. Last year u. S. Drone attacks killed at least 138 al qaeda operatives. Isnt part of the problem that we now have a policy where we basically kill these terrorists instead of capturing them and so we lose the intelligence that they could provide . I think we have said over and over that if we have the opportunity to capture terrorists, typically working with a lot of our partners over seas we will do that. There have been countless terrorists who have been captured arrested detained, debriefed and are providing intelligence insight into those organizations. Experts tell me when other countries catch these guys they slit their throats we dont get any intelligence. Those experts are wrong. We are working with our partners and making sure they are not doing that. If there are indications they are doing it we take action against them. You were one of the key players of the takedown of Osama Bin Laden, and from this compound here, navy s. E. A. L. S were able to recover documents. Why have only 25 been released to the public . Its been almost three years. Theres quite a bit of exploitation of information that was obtained in that raid that has assisted greatly our efforts against the tearists out there. We will continue to do that and exploit that. I guess the question s if you are scrubbed them so thoroughly and if its now four years later, cant more than 25 be released to the American People . Sometimes these things take time and need to make sure the resources are dedicated to that effort as well as dedicated to keeping the American People safe. There are reports that one of the reasons these documents arent being released is because a number of them showed that al qaeda was not in decline was not on the run as it was being portrayed in 2012, but in fact was a very active operation. Thats hogwash. Anybody believes were with holding documents because we believe it would be embarrassing, that is just absolutely wrong. You recently created a new division here in the cia, the direct rat of digital information. Has cyber become the new front line in the contest between nations and terrorist groups . Cia has an obligation to make sure were able to work in all the various domains the physical domain, aviation but the Digital Domain has continued to grow and evolve. That Digital Domain is going to be used by terrorist groups and others proliferators to be able to communicate, to be able to incite, encourage use propaganda and communicate. We really need to master that domain as a way to protect the American People. Speaking of mastering that domain, was the u. S. Behind the massive internet outage in north korea after the hacking of sony . The north korea system is fraught with a number of challenges because it is a country that unfortunately has put its pursuit of military capabilities in front of what the best interests are of the people. There is an infrastructure there that is rickety. There are challenges they face on a technical front, so there are a lot of reasons why the north Korean People and the internet system out there has problems. Did the u. S. Give a little shake to the ricketies north korean system . Im not going to address anything that we may have done in that instance and not acknowledging anything at all here. But youre not denying it either . You can raise any question what might have happened worldwide and not going to confirm nor deny it. We began, you and i, talking about this interview last summer at a time when the summit Intelligence Agency was investigating the enhanced interrogations carried out after 9 11. One of the key issues was whether or not the agency exaggerated the effectiveness of the e. I. T. S. Did enhanced interrogation play a role in our being able to track down Osama Bin Laden . I cannot determine cause and effect, that it was only for the use of those e. I. T. S that those individuals provided information, but the takedown of bin laden at that compound was a result of tedious work that was done by experts that were able to tap into the information that was provided by individuals who were in detention and that cia debriefed. How badly did the criticism coming 12 years after 9 11 of what this agency did, a very different time, a very different place how badly did that damage the moral of this agency . It was demoralizing to a number of people, particularly those involved in the program who really felt there was an effort on the part of some individuals involved in that information, that report, that were intentionally trying to i think, just emphasize and overemphasize the mistakes that were made and did not put it into the proper context. Yes, mistakes were made but the overwhelming activities that were part of that program were ones that i think the American People would feel proud that the agency was able to fulfill its responsibilities. Finally, from your 27 years at this agency, the last 2 as director of the cia, what do you think the public needs to know about the central Intelligence Agency . The successes and accomplishmenteds that we have the overwhelming majority of them will not ever find expression in newspaper and media. They do it silently. They do it not for accolades or praise. They do it because they are true american patriots. So, the American People should feel good about what cia is doing. Yes, we made mistakes and sometimes they are the ones that get the spotlight and the headlines, but they are a very, very small portion of what this agency does. And i couldnt be prouder to be here. Director brennan, first of all, thank you for inviteing us here to headquarters. Thank you for talking with us and thank you for your years of service to the country sir. Thank you, chris. To see more of our interview with director brennan, go to our website Fox News Sunday. Com. And thats it from cia headquarters here in langley, virginia. When we return, well be back in our washington studio to get our sunday groups reaction to the interview. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel about chances for a nuclear deal with iran . Just go to facebook or twitter foxnewssunday and we may use your question on the air. Do you have stuff to clean this mess of a breakroom . I have paper towels, sprays, wipes, sponges. And these floors . Disinfectant cleaner, mops and wet floor signs. How long does it take to reheat cod . We also have air fresheners. Make onbudget happen. Make cleaning up happen. Staples. Make more happen. Of Nuclear Weapon that they maybe were going on the track to obtain. So if they decide to go down that route they know they will do so at their perils. Cia director john brennan warning what will happen if theres no deal and iran pursues a Nuclear Weapon. Its time now for our sunday group. Radio talk show host laura ingraham. Judy woodruff. Fox news contributor, liz cheney and bob woodward the washington post. Laura, director brennan seemed confident if there is a deal well be able to verify it and if there isnt well be able to stop it . Do you share his confidence . Im skeptical. You got into this issue and went back and examined why we missed isis, what was going to happen with isis how lethal isis would become. So the trust, i think is based on recent experience how credible are their reassurances that if they go off the tracks theyll be able to stop it. We werent able to see what was about to happen in the middle east with the rise of isis. We also missed a lot of what iran has done over the last decade and now brennan wasnt on the watch them. And all of the Nuclear Sites you also alluded to. Theres a track record for body of results for american intelligence. I am glad you got to the moral at the cia. It took a huge hit and he acknowledged that. Theyre trying to reassure all the skeptics on capitol hill given recent history, thats a difficult sell to make and with this conflicting deal with iran fighting isis, but petraeus is saying thats the big threat here. I think its difficult for this administration to make this case at this point with the recent history. We asked you for questions for the panel and we got this on facebook. What has changed in our government where we are now considering allowing iran even limited Nuclear Development . Judy, how do you answer anet because from what we understand and obviously we only know the reports, iran under this deal would be able to have 6,000 centrifuges. They would be able to continue to enrich uranium. Whatever happened to the no nuclear period. I thought the interview was fascinating. I was struck when you were asking him how do we know . Some of the very questions youre asking us. How do we know what iran is up to . He said we went to school in effect on the mistakes that were made. So they are saying that they know more about what iran is up to than we know than they can talk about. So, one has to assume that thats the reason that they are prepared to say iran can do more. But i just want to say what we know about the negotiation chris at this point is that serious issues or yes the centrifuges the quality of the ukraine yum and so forth the sanctions are what is really holding this up at this point. The u. S. Wants them phased out. The iranians say we want them gone immediately. The iranians have come a little bit in the direction of what the u. S. Wants. They talked about something called snap back wherein, if theres any material breech of an agreement, the sanctions would come back in full force, but it is still believed by the people watching these negotiation very closely that thats not enough that the iranians still need do more to move forward. Supposedly, according to reports, the french are taking a harder line than the u. S. Is in terms of holding irans feet to the fire. Director brennan and i also discussed at some length the question of the claims by the administration during the reelection that al qaeda was on the run. Here is a look at that exchange. Didnt you give the American People and the president give the American People a false sense of confidence back in 2012 about our fight against islamic terrorists at a time perhaps not so coincidentally when the president was running for reelection reelection. There was no sense that i, the president or others gave to the American People that terrorism was going away. Liz, brennan said that in fact, core al qaeda in pakistan has been decimated, his argument is isis is a completely different proposition. Well, decimated only if you think decimated means rapidly spreading throughout the region. I mean, you have a situation where obviously during the election the president s position was im keeping america safe. Ive gotten bin laden therefore the problem is over. He said it repeatedly. What we know now from the bin laden documents that come out through some court cases, although they need to release more that wasnt the case. The president knew it wasnt the case and said it any way for political purposes. Brennan seems to draw this line between al qaeda and groups like isis and boko haram and other groups. Is that a fair distinction . No. Isis is an offshoot of al qaeda in iraq. Bin laden who director brennan would say was at the core of al qaeda. The documents they released are the documents that say he was this lion in winter but that is not what the rest of the documents apparently say. The rest of the documents demonstrate he was very clearly directing al qaeda throughout his time even when he was in hiding. Bob, when i talked with the Intelligence Community this week particularly about this question of misjudgment they used a phrase i hadnt heard before they said political successes and intelligence failures. What they were saying is, look, some of those times when the administration throws us under the bus and says, well, they didnt particularly they mentioned this about isis and underestimated the spread of isis, they say we were telling the political leaders in 2014 a lot of this stuff, they didnt react to it and now they blame it on us. Well i think if you looked at the overall in the interview thats lot of from director brennan no wrong hogwash. And you look at this and is he giving an accurate fundamentally accurate picture of the world . I think its kind of whitewashed. Theres a lot of happy talk here. Such as . Such as this idea that they have blunted and stopped isis in syria and iraq. I mean, theres some pluses. You get into the details here. There are indeed some negatives. And i take a step back where you really have to here. The world is a much more dangerous place than he is outlining here. The ingredients of instability in syria and iraq, in the whole region of the middle east, in pakistan, north korea you know, this is a time of deep anxiety and the real question is this of an intelligence picture. He is presenting to the president or is he being more realistic when they talk. Judy . I was just going to say, and im listening to bob, but i also looked at as im sure you did, he gave a speech to the council of Foreign Relations the end of last week, he talked about this being the most unstable period since the breakup of the soviet union. He didnt, in what i was hearing, he didnt understate i think the threats out there. You know, but he didnt say this in that interview. When you posed some skepticism, he would say, oh no, thats not true or thats wrong or hogwash on these documents. I get the sense that there is some post hawk attempt to justify the noble peace prize here. Even the french are saying the french ambassador of the United States says this is a bad tactic to say we really must have a deal, at least the beginnings of a deal by march 31st . Why. We want a deal thats good for america, thats good for this country and regional security, Global Security but this has to be good for the United States. And i think bob you hit on it. The sense that the world is more chaotic, you bet it is. Were not better off than we were in 2009 when it comes to security in the world under obamas leadership. Our influence is on decline. Iran continuing its Nuclear Program, too. I know your dad was one of the things he was most upset about is they didnt intervene in iraq. One of the other points here that its important to raise in the brennan interview is the verification point. Judy touched on this. The iaea last month said the iranians are not currently living up to their obligations. Districter brennan said we have a good understanding. He didnt say complete understanding. Frankly it is false to give the American People the idea that we know what is going on inside of iran or will be able to verify after this agreement. The french, i believe, sadly never thought this sentence would come out of my mouth, the french actually have a much more realistic and harder line approach to this. All right. When we come back, the rift between president obama and Benjamin Netanyahu only grows after the Prime Minister is reelected. What do growing tensions between the u. S. And israel mean for security in the region . And what do you think about the testy relationship . Let me know on facebook or twitter foxnewssunday and use the fns. Now you can connect with Fox News Sunday on facebook and twitter. Be sure to check out exclusive material online at facebook and share it with other fox fans. And tweet us foxnewssunday using fns. Be part of the discussion and weigh in on the discussion every Fox News Sunday. I didnt retract any of the things i said in my speech six years ago calling for a solution in which a demoilized palestinian state recognizes a jewish state. The conditions for that today are not achievement. I indicated to him given his statements prior to the election, it is going to be hard to find a path where people are seriously believing that negotiation are possible. Israeli Prime Minister netanyahu denying he ruled out creation of a palestinian state the day before elections and president obama refusing to let him off the hook. And were back now with the panel. Bob, it seems to me the most Interesting Development this week was not netanyahus on again, off again on again relationship for support for a twostate solution. It was president obamas decision, clear decision to ratchet up the tension between his administration and netanyahu. How do you explain that . Yeah. Well, thats a move, but i suspect if we had a transcript of the Obama Netanyahu phone call a couple of days ago, it would contain the elements they say. But they need each other. And obama remembers, a politician, and realized netanyahu did some things to stay in office. And i think but wait a minute. You had that but then the day after and even after he seemed to walk things back on thursday you had the state department, you had the white house spokesman, now you have president obama all in effect saying, no. You know he said and obama said i take him at his word, he doesnt support a palestinian his word is he is riding both horses, as we know is documented. And i dont think this is really the central thing going on if i may disagree with you. I thought the most important thing going on is the iran negotiation. And very interestingly just yesterday, i guess, it was the Huffington Post put out an interview with obama. And he said, yeah we expect maybe well get a deal in a week, and then he said two things. He said, we need iran to make more concession. Have you ever been involved in a negotiation. In a negotiation you dont go public and say oh yeah, we want concessions from the other side. As we know there are politics in iran. And in iran, there are hard liners and soft liners. Forgive me. I want to talk about israel. I think youre glossing over what i think is a fairly remarkable statement. You even had the administration liz, talking about the possibility of abandoning israel at the u. N. And letting a resolution pass what would recognize a palestine state . Look, the administration has now i would say since 2009 been looking for any excuse possible to distance the United States from israel. You now have this unbelievable situation where we are aligning ourselves more with the iranians than with the israelis in the middle east. And i just noticed Something Else in that interview that you showed which is stunning to me that demonstrates that total lack of familiarity on the part of the president of whats happening around the world. He said we have to evaluate what other options are available in terms of a twostate solution. To make sure we dont see a chaotic situation in the region. What in the world does he think is going on in the region . And from the israeli perspective, i think youve got to say it makes complete sense that they at this point would not trust their security to an american president who doesnt have their interests in mind who has done everything he can to distance himself from them and seems to be totally unaware at best of the complete and total mess his policies have created in their neighborhood. Its really breathtaking. Judy, white house chief of staff Dennis Mcdonough is going to speak to jay street tomorrow. This is a Democratic Group that has been very critical of netanyahu and just seems to be one more indication, you know we dont know what mcdonagh is going to say, the fact he would speak to this group seems theyre going to continue to ratchet this up. It looks that. But i think as bob said and as liz is suggesting theres so much at stake in the relationship between the United States and israel. Its hard to believe that people like Dennis Mcdonough and people making decisions in this administration arent taking the long view. Yes there clearly a shortterm peak over what happened. And i think people are looking both at the politics of it because its clear i mean, its clear to me that republicans are going to do better with the jewish vote in the future given whats happened in the last few weeks with netanyahu. You know, one can assume there will be more votes more money from jewish people who thought they never would be voting republican are seriously considering doing that now. At the same time, what netanyahu has helped to do is create questions about this historic bipartisan support for israel in the United States. And i think the Younger Generation of Jewish Voters from talking to people who know the American Jewish community well, younger Jewish Voters, Jewish Voters who just are not comfortable with netanyahus domestic positions are questioning whether theyre going to continue to support israel like they have. I have to say, im a little bit stunned here. It seems to me theres been a fairly Dramatic Development here. Am i crazy . Youre right. Obama treats netanyahu similarly the way he treats the taerptdea party. Its immature, dangerous. After netanyahu clearly steps back a little bit from his statements about the palestinian, the twostate solution unclinching his fist and reaching back to the United States. Now, the president made that big speech early on, if you unclinch your fist ill take your hand. Here it is a slap across the face to a man who won in the middle east. Youre going too far the other way. Dont you think netanyahu bares some responsibility for going to congress and speaking there . It isnt as if hes been the innocent victim in this ratcheting up of relations. The president brought David Cameron here to the United States to do phone a friend in congress to try to move congressional opinion. Thats a little different. Well, were bringing outside people into the inside to lobby congress. Okay. Have a disagreement with him about that. Thats fine. You know what would have been the mature thing youre in town to give this speech im not thrilled by this lets talk. Come over to the white house and lets talk. That would be a mature thing. That would be good for america. Its supposed to be whats good for our security and regional security. This approach has been counterdynamic. Serious disagreement, but as everyone has said, including president obama in the phone conversation with netanyahu, they agreed that the military intelligence and diplomatic alignment remains. Thats whats important. This is not going to change the overall. I think it clearly sorry, bob, i think it clearly does change the overall relationship. I was in israel last year and they are stunned. They cannot comprehend why the president of the United States is obviously doing more to align american policy with iran than with israel. And youve got a situation now where its not just the israelis that are completely baffled. Its the gulf arabs. In the brennan interview, he said the gulf arabs know we will be there to defend them. They dont believe that anymore and the israelis dont believe it anymore. It just is not true that the president has aligned himself with the iranians on this. Come on he said look well have intrusive inspections, is that alignment . Were never going to agree. But thank you for disagreeing so agreeably. Thank you panel. See you next sunday. Up next, our power player of the week, a look inside an opo research factory. Do you want to know how hard it can be to breathe with copd . It can feel like this. Copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. Spiriva is a oncedaily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. Spiriva helps me breathe easier. Spiriva respimat does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. Tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. These may worsen with Spiriva Respimat. Discuss all medicines you take even eye drops. If your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells you get hives, vision changes or eye pain or problems passing urine stop taking Spiriva Respimat and call your doctor right away. Side effects include sore throat cough, dry mouth and sinus infection. Nothing can reverse copd. Spiriva helps me breathe better. To learn about Spiriva Respimat slowmoving mist ask your doctor or visit spirivarespimat. Com every election theres a game changer whether its an issue or the candidates own word. Now one campaign veteran is taking lessons he learned the hard way to change the game in 2016. Here is our power player of the week. Its not dumpster diving. Its very issuefocussed. Especially in the world of social media, twitter tumbler theres a constant appetite now for content. Matt rhoades is the head of America Rising whats been called on Opposition Research factory that goes after democratic candidates. Last election day, they had 73 fulltime staffers in more than two dozen states putting out damaging information in senate house and state races. So yes i did miss that one. How do you feel when youre a researcher, your tracker comes to you and says, look at this boss. Its a rush no doubt about it, chris. Such as when they got ahold of this clip of iowa democrat, taking a shot at chuck grassley. You might have a farmer from iowa who never went to law school, never practiced law, serving as the next chair of the Senate Judiciary committee. He bagged on iowa farmers he bagged on chuck grassley. We released it and just transformed the race. While at headquarters, staffers search a candidate record and old clips. America rising has trackers in the field recording everything the democrat says and sometimes trying to create an issue. Did you vote for president obama in 2008 and 2012 . Which brings us to 2016. This is the president ial research team. All of these people here are focussed on secretary clinton and so their task day in day out look for any hill ri videos you can find. You never know when going through this will pay off. This is our war room, chris. When she holds her news conference, does this place shut down or do they speed up . Thats go time for this crew. I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two. Clinton was still talking when the war room pumped out this clip from a few weeks earlier. Iphone. Okay. In full disclosure blackberry. And a blackberry. Basically blowing a whole in her convenience of having one email and one device. He was mil mitt romneys Campaign Manager in 2012. He said american bridge was better than anything the g. O. P. Had then. They were first ones to asked us to release mitts tax return. Is there some connection between the fact that youre doing this and that romney was kind of sunk by a video about the 47 . Is there some poetic justice . I hope. We cant change what happened but we certainly can balance the playing field. Matt rhoades says hes still getting over the romney loss in 2012, but he says hes determined not to go out on the losing end. And thats it for today. Have a great week and well see you next Fox News Sunday. 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