Educated and accomplished young people. Then he tweeted, the wall will continue to be built. [ light laughter ] man, the last time somebody changed positions that much on twitter, ted cruz liked it. [ laughter ] [ applause ] senator ted cruz yesterday responded to the reaction. To his twitter account liking a pornographic tweet and said that people ought to be able to do what they want in their own bedrooms anymore. Although after hearing about ted cruz watching porn, nobody feels like doing anything in their bedrooms. [ laughter and applause ] honey, no, i im still thinking about the ted cruz thing, i [ light laughter ] President Trump tweeted this morning that Hillary Clinton lost the election because she had no game. And if theres one person who knows about having game, its this jock. [ laughter ] and then i want to keep the tie on and then just chuck it into the sky. [ light laughter ] President Trump attacked Hillary Clinton this morning tweeting quote crooked Hillary Clinton blames everybody and everything but herself for her election loss. She lost the debates and lost her direction. In her defense its easy to lose your direction when youre being chased by a lunatic. [ light laughter ] in an interview with cnn yesterday, Hillary Clinton said that the Electoral College needs to be eliminated. Same with regular college said betsy devos. [ laughter and applause ] all you need is kinderbarten. Halimah yacob was sworn in as singapores first female president today. This news was first reported by an unruly bar patron who was asked to leave. [ light laughter ] so now, singapores got one, everybody. So thats cool. Congratulations, singapore. [ light laughter ] a company in california will unveal the worlds First Talking sex robot in january. Because thats what people who buy sex robots want, followup questions. [ light laughter ] why dont you have a girlfriend . Why dont you have a human girlfriend . [ laughter ] a hotel in california is offering an exclusive nightly package called doughnut disturb. Which includes a huge 10 pound pink doughnut delivered to the room. And afterwards you can take advantage of their free shuttle service. [ light laughter ] and finally a new york city bakery is selling cookies that resemble celebrities faces with flavors that include sad drake, happy beyonce, and i dont remember signing off on this, horny seth meyers. [ laughter ] its accurate, though. Its very accurate. [ applause ] you guys are here on a fantastic night. We have great guests for you. Shes starring in an incredible new psychological thriller, mother Jennifer Lawrence is back on the show. [ cheers and applause ] one of our absolute favorites here on late night. Here to chat about the third season of outlander, on starz, Caitriona Balfe joins us. [ cheers and applause ] so happy to have her back. And hes a very smart guy. Hes also the founder and editor and chief of vox, ezra klein will be joining us to talk about everything thats going on in the world. Before we get to all of that. President trump is making a renewed push to get democrats on board with his agenda. And today, there was some confusion over whether he and Democratic Leaders were close to an agreement on protecting the daca program that allows undocumented immigrants to remain in the country. For more on this, its time for a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] seth after repeatedly failing through the first eight months of his presidency to pass any major legislation, trump has been making a renewed push to Court Democrats to support his domestic agenda. On tuesday he hosted a group of Democratic Senators at the white house for dinner. Including West Virginia senator joe manchin who seemed as impressed with trumps presentation as he was with the food. Senator, i hate to pry i really do. I hate to pry, but did you have one scoop or two scoops of ice cream . No no. We had let me tell you the ice cream was so perfectly prepared. The ice cream came beside the dessert gal and it looked like an egg. And i says, i wonder why im getting an egg with my dessert . And i cut into it and it was a beautifully sculpted ice cream. Seth oh my god. We are so screwed. [ laughter ] thats a United States senator talking about ice cream like hes a hobo. [ light laughter ] it looked like an egg, but then it turned out it was ice cream. So i guess that means that somewhere in the white house there is a giant ice cream goose laying eggs. [ laughter ] what a country this is we live in. Immediately Democratic Senators comes after trump stunned republicans by striking a deal with Democratic Leaders nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer to keep the government open for three months and provide aid to hurricane victims. And last night trump met yet again with schumer and pelosi about the daca program. Trump ended the program but hoped to use it as leverage to get funding for his border wall. In fact, yesterday at the white house he met with members of congress from both parties and made clear that he wanted to discuss daca. And well probably also be talking about daca because we dont want to forget daca. [ light laughter ] seth why does he say things like that . We dont want to forget daca [ laughter ] immigrants will help us, maga or else theyll go to china [ light laughter ] and after their meeting last night, schumer and pelosi issued a statement basically claiming total victory. We had a very productive meeting at the white house with the president. We agreed to enshrine the protections of daca into law quickly. And to work out a package of Border Security excluding the wall thats expectable to both sides. So trump initially promised that mexico would pay for the wall. Then he said congress would pay for the wall. Then he said he would trade daca to pay for the wall and now hes trading daca and no one is paying for the wall. [ light laughter ] he might be the worst negotiator since daffey duck. [ light laughter ] duck season. Wabbit season wabbit season duck season, fire [ gunshot ] [ light laughter ] seth no one of the joys of this whole episode has been watching the president staunch his supporters, people who defended him through all of his most egregious transgressions freak out about his reversal on daca. Take iowa congressman steve king who tweeted last night when the Associated Press first reported the deal. If ap is correct, trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair, no promises credible. Im sorry, youre just figuring out that trumps promises arent credible now. I cant wait for king to tweet in five years, if end of movie is correct, keyser soze was kevin spacey the whole time. [ light laughter ] today trump responded to criticism of his deal from hard right critics who called it amnesty. Were not talking about amnesty, were talking about were talking about taking care of people people that were brought here people that have done a good job and were not brought here of their own volition. Were not looking at citizenship, were not looking at amnesty. Seth now you might be thinking didnt trump specifically accuse president obama of giving undocumented immigrants amnesty when he signed daca . But technically he never used the word amnesty. In fact, trump didnt use a real word at all. He defied federal law and constitution to give amnity to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants. [ laughter ] seth thats right, amnity. [ light laughter ] he probably still doesnt know what amnesty is. Ill make a deal, but i promise no amnity during the campaign. Okay, but what about amnesty . Deal, now bring out the ice cream goose. [ light laughter ] in fact [ applause ] its been amazing to watch trump furiously back pedal on the one thing he promised his supporters from day one, the central promise of his campaign, the border wall. Today, he tweeted the wall, which was already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls will continue to be built. And then today when asked if he would insist on funding for the wall as part of a daca deal, he waffled. The wall will come later. Were right now renovating large sections of wall. Massive sections, making it brand new. Were doing a lot of renovations and the wall is going to be built, itll be funded a little bit later. Seth amazing. So the big beautiful wall that would be paid for by mexico and begin construction on day one is now old existing fence that will be paid for later. [ light laughter ] because we all remember those famous chants from trump rallies. What do we want . To renovate old and existing fences. And when do we want it . A little bit later than now [ light laughter ] [ applause ] so trump cut one deal with democrats to keep the government open for a few months and then had a few of them over for dinner and now all of a sudden talking heads are engaging in yet another round of absurd punditry over whether trump is a republican or whether he is the independentminded deal making president he built himself as during the campaign. Youve got the president whose more of an independent. Mr. Trump has shown in the nearly eight months in office that he is in many ways the First Independent to hold the presidency. This radical centrism that were seeing the president exhibit right now. I think there is at least a 30 chance that if mr. Trump runs again, he would run as an independent. Donald trump has no interest in being part of any party. He is a party of one. He is in fact a party of one. Seth thats right. Donald trump is a party of one. Although, usually you hear that phrase associated with eric trump. Eric, party of one. [ light laughter ] [ applause ] can we please can we all please let go of this idea that trump is some kind of maverick independent whos above his party alliance. Being an independent isnt the same thing as being a rudderless narcissist. And in every political sense that matters hes a republican. Just take his renewed attempt to once again revive the gops failed plan to repeal obamacare. Yesterday, a small group of republican senators unveiled yet another bill that would repeal obamacare and drastically overhaul medicare. Oh my god, again, republicans . This isnt something you hear very often but, play something from the new album. [ light laughter ] so democrats now have to decide whether they want to go along with trumps scam or chart their own path. And many are choosing the latter approach. Senator Bernie Sanders for example, has gotten some democratic support for the medicare for all single payer Healthcare Plan he unveiled yesterday. And while medicare for all used to be a fringe idea, even within the democratic party. Its now very quickly gaining steam with some of the parties most prominent faces. Two weeks ago, Bernie Sanders had exactly zero cosponsors in the senate for his single payer healthcare bill medicare for all. And then california senator Kamala Harris announced that she would cosponsor the bill. So then Elizabeth Warren came on board. Yesterday another potential president ial candidate became a cosponser, senator cory booker and then today, senator Kristen Gillibrand became a cosponsor. Senator al franken became a cosponsor of medicare for all. Any one of those senators could be the parties nominee for president or Vice President the next time. Seth democrats are so eager to win over Bernie Sanders supporters, they gonna show show up to primary debates looking like this. [ light laughter ] democrats face a stark choice in the trump era. Trust a president who has repeatedly proven himself to be untrustworthy, or resist his agenda and protect the marginalized people they represent. Trump might be courting democrats now but remember, this is a man who not long ago called any attempt at immigration reform, uh, whats the word . Amnity. [ light laughter ] seth this has been a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] well be right back with Jennifer Lawrence, everybody [ cheers and applause ] announcer for more of seths closer looks, be sure to subscribe to late night on youtube. Welcome to maxx you. You are whimsical, vibrant, statement making. We see what makes you unique. So we have something for everyone, at a price thats just right for you. Maxx you. Maxx life. T. J. Maxx over the course of 9 days. 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[ mo more, more, more ny ] how do you like it how do you like it more, more, more how do you like it how do you like it how do you like it more, more, more i look back on my life and i know what it was for. What if i struggled. What if i sacrificed. And what if i swore id succeed. So you could wake up one day with the choice to be anything you wanted. Well then, my great granddaughter. It would all be worth it. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, and give it up for the 8g band, everybody. That was great, you guys. Also, all this week, weve had the fantastic drummer from neon trees and also the band noble bodies whose new single, what a word is available now, elaine bradley, everybody. Thank you so much for another week [ cheers and applause ] our first guest tonight is an academyaward winning and goldenglobe winning actress you know from movies like Silver Linings playbook and the hunger games trilogy. Her latest film, mother, is in theaters tomorrow. Lets take a look. [ gasping ] [ laughter ] seth please welcome back to the show, Jennifer Lawrence, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back. Hi. Seth as is as is tradition when youre, a glass of wine, cheers. Cheers. Seth always nice to see you. Nice to see you. Seth i [ cheers and applause ] i was worried that you wouldnt want to have a drink tonight because you had your premiere last night. I am morbidly hung over. Seth morbidly hung over . [ light laughter ] now, is this always something do you tend to drink a lot at all your premieres . No seth so . [ laughter ] this is your first time . This is i really never do this. No, well, my entire family was in town. Seth got it. A lot of friends came in town, so and all my friends are alphas. All of them. Seth okay. It was all of us. Seth alphas . Yeah, were just all seth okay, i thought you were saying, alchos, and i was like is that is that short for alcoholics . My best friends are alpacas. So yeah, we were just shouting each other out last night. Seth and is that does that fit with coats the throat. Seth yeah this is a but you obviously, a film premiere, especially a film like this, which has a you know, theres its very artistic. Is it strange to be at an after party where you and your friends are just screaming at each other . Yeah. Seth yeah, okay. Its not not normal, but yeah and it was also an odd choice for me to have my entire family seth cause this is an intense film. Come just for this particular movie. Seth yeah, did you warn them . It was a weird choice. Seth did you warn them what they were going to see . I warned them and anytime i wasnt really wearing a bra a lot cause, you know, im like mother earth and my dad was sitting next to me and every time i just had forgotten about that and every time there would be a shot my dad would go [ gasping ] [ laughter ] seth oh so so the scariest element of this to your family was the outline of my nipple. [ laughter ] my dads been talking all day about how ray donovan was at the premiere. Seth ray donovan was at yeah. Seth was ray so Liev Schreiber yeah, Liev Schreiber was there. Seth yeah. Yeah. Seth okay, was your dad excited about that . I was like m. Night shyamalan is here and he was like, ray donovan . I was like, i cant talk to you about ray donovan anymore. [ laughter ] seth i will say, my dads very excited would be very excited about ray donovan too. Yeah. Seth i think its a very dadfriendly show. I think all dads picture themselves as ray donovan. [ light laughter ] yeah, its like it was like the liam neeson like taken. Seth yeah, exactly. The speech. Seth yeah you know they all did that in a shower. Seth yeah. Every dad. Seth my oh, my god oh, my god, what kind of place you running . [ laughter ] seth thats we have that was disgusting. Seth its not a big deal. We have one mosquito and he has zika, but [ laughter ] its fine. I wouldnt that must have been hard to find. Seth it was, we wanted you to look, but we have a budget, and so we went out and did the work. [ light laughter ] and so, afterwards so your parents, they do they come to premieres often . Not really. I mean, like the whole family it was kind of rare, you know . I mean, theres just always and my brothers again, it was just a weird choice. I had my mom seth your mom seems like the fun one. My mom is a character. Seth i feel like thats something similar we have because my moms the fun one too. Yeah, i brought a boyfriend home to kentucky one time and my dad smoked us up a hog butt to celebrate. And it was like seth now, when you smoke up a hog butt, does it [ laughter ] does it physically look like a hog butt . Like a like a big juicy seth yeah, but does it, cause when you no seth okay, okay, gotcha. It just looks like pulled pork. It just looks like anything. And my mom my boyfriend at the time was like eating it, like kind of against his will and my mom leaned in and she was like, when i saw that dead naked pig on the spit, i couldnt help myself. I leaned in and gave it a kiss. Wouldnt you know it, two weeks later, i got ringworm. [ laughter and applause ] its really good. Seth so this is a i would say this movie is more disturbing than a a horror movie. I feel like weve been calling it horror just to kind of prepare people. Seth yeah, there are horrifying things because its its horrifying. Seth yeah. Yeah. Seth but its not sort of a classic horror film no. Seth but you are someone do you enjoy going to a a sort of more classic horror film . No, i cant i saw haunting in connecticut in like 2009 and i was scared for three years. [ light laughter ] seth now this is funny because i know that haunting in connecticut is the film that freaked you out. It really did. Seth thats on thats on nobodies list of the scariest movies. [ laughter ] i know, nobody knows what im talking about. Seth yeah, we have i got a poster of the haunt this movie is scary as [ bleep ]. Seth theres the poster. I will say the poster looks pretty scary. All right. Seth whats whats coming out of his mouth . When spirits harden when youre being possessed, they come out of your mouth like a root seth oh, wow. And its really scary, scary [ bleep ]. Seth and this happened in connecticut [ laughter ] i noticed this, which this says right here something opened somethings seth heres what it was thats what gets me. Seth based based on true events. Based on true events. Seth but, by the way, when i saw this, im like, no, it its [ bleep ] not. [ laughter and applause ] based on true events. Its like based on like one of those peanut cans where a snake comes out. [ laughter ] im like nobodies ever like, oh, yeah, that case where the spirits root hardened and then came out of that kids mouth. In hartford, it happened in hartford. I wish i had you seth yeah. In 2009. Seth i could have taken the edge off it right away. I was i could not pee without running into my bed, theyre coming seth oh, my god. And this is you were not thats not long enough ago for you to be a child about this. I was like twenty or twentyone seth yeah, thats not okay. Im bad at math, how old was i . 19 . I got to i cant sit up straight anymore. I dont care if i look bad. Seth no, thats all right, you can give up, thats fine. [ laughter ] so this is an incredible cast yeah. Seth outside of yourself, javier bardem, ed harris, Michelle Pfeiffer, stunning, stunning. Oh, oh. Seth was it was it fantastic or intimidating or both to worth with Michelle Pfeiffer . I mean, it was fantastic, but like, i couldnt talk to her for like, you know, three days. Seth yeah. And then id be like, so, what did you have for breakfast and what did you have for dinner last night . Do you take any vitamins . Seth is that because you shes just stunning, her eyes are the color of the caribbean. Seth yeah. Shes just shes so talented and i spiked her iced tea one time. Seth now, why would you spike her iced iced tea . I hope i dont seem like an alcoholic [ light laughter ] seth no ones getting that vibe off you. [ laughter ] oh, no. Ive been working very hard. I havent been drinking because ive been working every day. Ive actually never worked in this state before. Ive never been this hung over at work normally i dont have to work the day after a premiere seth yeah. So last night seth this is by the way i hope you dont consider what youre doing right now work. [ light laughter ] of course not. Seth like you can show up here im here by choice. Seth yeah, exactly. Yeah. [ laughter ] seth this could be big, though. Seriously, guys. [ cheers and applause ] i called paramount. I called them. Seth yeah. I was like, get me on something seth you called up the publicist and said, i need to i did, i got to i know the premiere was last night, but still. Seth oh, i mean, yeah, this is this will be big for the film, though. The fact that youre here. God, i wish i was in sweatpants. This is awful. Seth next time youre here, full permission to wear sweatpants. Okay, thanks. Seth you also a trailer for a new film that youre in is it red sparrow . Is that the name of the film . Yes. Seth just came out. You shot that budapest. Yeah. Seth and i have another drinking story about budapest seth i know. So i heard you got in a what you got in an altercation . I got in a bar fight. Seth a bar fight in budapest. I got in a real bar fight. Seth that seems like a dangerous place to get in a bar fight. I mean, for him. Seth yeah. [ laughter and applause ] first of all, shoutout to dream team, you know who you are. We were at a bar, it was beer night and we we had a ton of beers and we were all drinking and this one guy i was drunk, which is rare. Seth yeah. I was drunk and this guy asked me for a selfie and i was like, no, thank you, no. And then he was like, please, my girlfriend will never believe you. And my friend was like, if your girlfriend wont believe you then shes not the one. [ laughter ] and and so we were like, just go away. And then he goes, yeah, well [ bleep ] you. And then i just i dont know, something in me just snapped, but it couldnt have been the alcohol. And i was like, did you just say [ bleep ] you to me . Did you just say [ bleep ] you to me . And i like grabbed him and i took beers and i started dowsing them all over him. And then he was weirdly he had a suitcase seth uhhuh. He like went straight to the bar. And i was like, is that your [ bleep ] . And i started pouring beers all over his suitcase. And my friend chris came up, grabbed me from behind, he goes, dont waste beer. Dont waste beer. And i instantly relaxed. I was like, of course, what was i thinking . Seth yeah. The only i really just hope. [ applause ] yeah, thats fantastic. Thanks. Seth good cautionary tale. Well seth i certainly hope at some point one of that guys friends got a picture of that. [ laughter ] my friend was in the bathroom and he came back and hes like, did you guys see that guy . He was all wet and crying. [ laughter ] seth well, it serves him right. Thank you for being here, as always. Is it over . Seth its over, yeah, you did it. All right, bye. [ cheers ] seth go get your sweatpants. Jennifer lawrence, everybody mother in theaters everywhere tomorrow. Well be right back with Caitriona Balfe. [ cheers and applause ] my wife got me to be a devoted vegetarian. Except for every ladies night. Only glad has forceflex to prevent rips, leaks, and punctures. So whatever you throw in the bag. 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Geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. Our next guest plays Claire Randall fraser in the Popular Series outlander. New episodes air sunday nights on starz. Lets take a look. Alright, what happened . She turned over. All by herself. Oh. Its very bad to be doing that. Well doctor spock says she shouldnt be doing it for at least another month. Well, what does doctor spock know . Come here. Come to daddy. Give me a kiss. So clever. Yeah. Aww. [ crying ] seth please welcome back to the show Caitriona Balfe, everybody [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back. Thank you so much. Seth i did not want you to think i only drink with Jennifer Lawrence. I know youre a vodkasoda drinker, so thank you. [ laughter ] seth i have one myself. Cheers. I mean she is my new hero, so. Seth well there you go. She she opens shes the gateway drug for the rest of us. So there you go. [ laughter ] you know, if an irish girl cant drink as much as Jennifer Lawrence, were in trouble. Seth yeah, thats true, so there you go. And you are youre from ireland. You used to live in new york though, yes . I did for about eight years. Seth eight years. And so you come back here fairly often . I do. And what i love about new york is its the city where anything can happen. Seth yeah, last time you were here, something trippy happened. Well, so, i was here for about three weeks and thats a bit too long to be in a hotel room. So i had booked an airbnb and the guy i booked it off was like, do you want my cleaning lady . And i was like, yeah, that would be great if she can come by. And so i had arranged with her to come by and the best time was a saturday evening when i was out for dinner. And i came back after dinner and i opened the door and shes come in a brown knickers in the middle of cleaning the living room. And i was just like, hi. [ laughter ] i didnt know if i was if this was some kind of proposition, i mean its new york, anything can happen. Seth yeah. I dont know if it tells you more about her or the guy who said, do you want my cleaning lady . [ laughter ] exactly. Seth yeah. Im like, is this place is there cameras all around. Seth right. Is this what you know, youre trying to set up. But yeah, she did a great job though. Seth oh, well good. Thats [ laughter ] yeah, exactly. Seth at the end of the day thats all. Its about the cleaning. Thats what ive always said. And is it you lived in paris as well . Yes . I did. Seth so was it ireland to paris and then paris sort of to new york . Ireland to paris and then to new york. Yes. Seth and what was the hardest transition of paris to new york . Well, you know paris is this kind of genteel, beautiful i mean, not that new york is not beautiful, but you know, you move into the Lower Eastside and theres like rats and theres cockroaches. Seth but handsome rats. I mean like the just the most beautiful cockroaches. Ugh, im not seth have you seen a cockroach before new york . No, and its my absolute terror. I hate them. Like thats the one thing that will make me stand on a chair and scream like a girl. Seth yeah. Well its i will say the same thing. The thing i hate the most about cockroaches, it feels to me, every time one of them decides to die, they crawl into the middle of your apartment and flip over. [ laughter ] just to let you know ive been here my whole life. [ laughter ] but its also so i also know, like theres the cockroach myth, right . So i heard that if you hit one, it spreads its babies. Seth oh my god. [ laughter ] i dont know what thats like, but i hope thats not true. Seth why would you believe that . [ laughter ] i dont know. Because im irish and this is, like, not my territory. Seth oh my goodness. That seems to me, like a way they could get irish people like not to have sex. Just remember, if you bump into someone youll have all their babies. [ laughter ] although, its ireland so apparently that happens all the time. Seth yeah, thats true. Because all we do is have babies, right . Seth thats true, so obviously it hasnt worked as a cautionary tale. So this is youve kept people waiting with season three of your show. People are very happy that its back. It was a bit of a while. Seth it was a bit of a while. This show plays with time. It plays with locations. And sort of famously takes place in scotland but you actually shot some in south africa last year. Yeah. We spent four months in capetown which was very cool. Seth and do you also have time you had a little bit of time off to safari . I did well it was at the very end. I made sure. I figured, you know, i couldnt be there for four months without going and seeing some animals. So i did. Seth yeah. And if you havent been, i think its something everybody has to do. Its the most amazing thing to see these incredible creatures in their natural habitats, so. Seth it is amazing. Were you did you get near an animal that made you feel fear . Well, so, its this weird thing. Because youre in these open jeeps, right . Theres no youre not even wearing a seatbelt. Seth right. Which, you know, its like and youre just seth thats how on the edge you are, yeah. Thats how crazy i am. [ laughter ] seth no seatbelts, smoking a cigarette. Im like, woohoo no, so youre like in these open jeeps and you just drive in the middle of like a herd of elephants. And you know, theyre like these majestic creatures and youre like watching all of the motions like play out between them. And then, there was one that they had this like juvenile bull. He was like about a year old and our, ill give her a shoutout, vicki, who was from texas but she was our ranger and shed lived there for years. She was like, oh, this guys a little [ bleep ]. Seth oh. [ laughter ] and so every time because all the rest of them become so habitualized to the truck, they just think, oh yeah, thats that weird metal animal that we ignore. But this, like juvenile, every time we come up to him, he would like be flapping his ears and like, i cant do the noise. But like, you know. [ laughter ] [ imitating bull ] seth there you go. [ laughter ] and his mom whos, like, huge would just turn around and start coming towards our truck. Seth yeah. And then, you know, there was moments where i was like, im going to soil myself, because theyre huge. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] elephants i went on when we went on safari, elephants were the scariest to me. I just they just dont seem like they can be reasoned with. [ light laughter ] well thats the thing. Like, theyre all like so, like, cute and docile and then they do this one turn and they look at you and youre like, oh, thats the killer eyes. Seth yeah. Like thats seth also, you know, you i feel like most of my interaction with elephants is now, certainly, is childrens book. Elephants turn up a lot. And theres never that that turns up. That elephant, the rage like, why are you here . Its all like the elephants are going to bed. Seth yeah exactly. And they never forget. So you actually had a this was for the show, right . Your snake work here . Yeah. This is scar. Seth this is scar, a boa constrictor. And you seem very calm with scar now. You worked with him on the show. How was scar as a scene partner . Well, you see, okay, look at the tail curls around. So they, well first of all, i got him and i was like, oh, so they just like squeeze you and they dont bite . And they were like, no, they bite. I was like, oh, okay. [ laughter ] but, so they had to they wanted it to, like, slide all the way across my neck. And you know, i was like, im cool, im brave, i can do this, but as its going, like its four feet, five feet long and its like longer and longer and youre like and its getting closet to the tail, and im like, i just remember that that thing wraps around things and my necks really small, and im gonna die. [ light laughter ] so there was that, and also like we had we tried to do a few takes and the first few it, it didnt work. And, you know, i had my skirts wrapped around me and its like lots of dark places. Seth yeah. And it wants to go hide in dark places. And its like you can be to be cool to a point but when it starts going for certain areas, youre like, uhh no no. [ laughter ] seth yeah. Not up there. Seth yeah, i love working with a snake but not that much, so. Well congratulations on season three. Its always great to see you. Thank you so much. Seth please come back soon. Caitriona balfe, everybody. Outlander airs sunday nights on starz. Well be right back with ezra klein. 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Born to move. It now supports multiple users, which is really just a fancy way of saying, this thing knows the difference between your voice and other peoples voices. So if you say, hey google, call mom. Okay, calling mom. [ringing] itll call your mom, not just anyones mom cause that would be weird. I mean imagine if this thing was just calling random peoples moms. I dont think people would really like that feature. [ cheers and applause ] seth our next guest is the founder and editorinchief of vox. He cohosts the weeds podcast, and hosts the ezra klein show podcast. Please welcome to the show, ezra klein, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth im so happy youre here. I dont want you to think i only drink with ladies. So here. [ light laughter ] thank you. Seth theres a whiskey for you. I think thats your drink. Yes. I feel very peerpressured into this. Seth okay good, well you dont have to drink much of it. Im gonna make you talk most of the time. Everybody is coming out with their cool alcohol stories. And getting in barfights in budapest. You cant be the politics nerd ill have water. [ laughter ] seth yeah, exactly. So you had to do this. This is all for show. Yes. Seth so, i want to talk about vox. You guys do sort of what you would call an explanatory journalism that helps people understand complicated political issues. Has it been made harder by the fact that under the Trump Administration, you have a president who does not care about the complicated details of issues . It hasnt been made easier. So the tricky thing about the Trump Administration isnt that he doesnt care. But that the informational universe that he is at the center of has collapsed. So the things that he says are not a guide to what he will do, to what he thinks, the things that his staffers say do not really have a steady relationship to the things that he will do in the next couple of days, and so you have this sort of whole world of people who a big part of their job is to generate information that everybody else uses. To at least take signals where the government is going and then it just takes hard turns every couple of days. Seth yeah, hes basically a weather vane in a tornado thats just like whipping around. [ laughter ] and so its wrong to think that david brooks once said its eight fireflies in a jar. Seth that sounds about right. You talked about explain to me this idea of the hierarchy of how we judge President Trump. So, ive talked before about mazlows hierarchy of political needs. Seth mazlows hierarchy, okay. Yeah, so this mazlows hierarchy of needs, right, which is like food and shelter at the top and then like all the way at the bottom, do you have the new iphone . Seth right, okay, gotcha. Im sorry. All the way at the top, you have the new iphone. Seth okay. And, i think you have that in politics, too. You have, at the top, is this a good policy . Is the process in the white house running well . Are they making sort of the right marginal decision . And then, we have fallen way way down the pyramid to does the president sort of sympathize with White Supremacists . Seth gotcha. Or are we in a situation where the president himself does not have any interest in learning about the details of the policies hes putting forward. Were in such a basic set of questions now about the person in the office that its pretty depressing. Seth yeah. It can be fairly depressing to be at the bottom of a pyramid. Yes. [ laughter ] seth youre writing a piece about Bernie Sanders tomorrow, about his single payer Healthcare Plan. And tell me if im right about this. Youre basically saying that whether or not this passes or becomes law, Bernie Sanders will have succeeded. So, this is i think, a remarkable moment in american politics. We have just watched the healthcare debate transform pretty completely. Ive covered healthcare, really since i got into journalism. And single payer was an idea i mean its always been there. Its obviously done in a lot of other countries. You have liberals who were for it, but pretty quietly. Bernie sanders kept introducing the singlepayer plan. He never got any cosponsors in the senate and he has in the last year, made single payer into the mainstream position of the democratic party. And so the argument im making in this piece is that the plan that he has created, and we can talk about why, i dont think that plan is going to pass. It would mean 250 million americans see their current insurance cancelled, tax increases of a level we have never done in this country before. But what hes done, i think, is refashioned what the democratic partys goal is. And so then the way the next democratic administration, whether it be his or someone elses is going to try to move healthcare policy forward, is in the single payerish direction. So maybe you do a medicare buyin, where now anybody, not just people over 65 can get medicare or medicaid buyin. You add a strong public option to obamacare. You do negotiations with drug companies. He has really recentered what it means to have a good healthcare policy in the democratic party. And so even if his particular plan doesnt pass, the things that are gonna come next are gonna be descendants of it. Seth well, whichever way it goes, i will be looking forward to reading about it because you are one of the wonkiest people when it comes to healthcare out there. [ laughter ] thank you. I will take that as a compliment. Seth it is a compliment, i promise. You did a fantastic, fascinating interview. Almost an hour with Hillary Clinton and one of the things that one of the parts of the conversation that i found so riveting is you talked she talked about being at a disadvantage running against a candidate like donald trump who had no shame. Can you explain a little bit as to what that point was . So this, to me, is the most central feature of donald trump. That he does not have shame. I dont want to put this on Hillary Clinton too much. Seth yeah. No, we all know he doesnt have shame, yeah. [ laughter ] oh, did you hear that observation that she made, that i would never have thought . She he i think one of the central recognitions of this era has been how much we rely on shame to discipline our politicians. How many things that we think are independent parts of the political system that keep people in check. The medias power. Other things like that are actually politicians getting criticism and deciding, hey, i dont want to be talked about like that, i dont want them to call me a liar. I dont want them to call me a white supremacist sympathizer. Im gonna not do things that make people give that give people that impression. Seth yeah. And its worked pretty well for a long time. Its worked okay, because most people have shame. Seth yeah. But this is why i think its always really important to remember donald trump was a reality star, not really a businessman. Seth yeah. What he is an amazing brander, and in fact why hes an amazing brander is that he would put his name on things other people would not put their name on. Like, donald trump does not drink but he has his name on a vodka. Seth yeah. Like thats just peculiar. Seth right. That is a peculiar way to do your business. And one thing thats really great if youre a reality star is not to have shame. To be able to do things that keep the camera on you even when it would normally go over to someone else. But in politics where we actually need shame to discipline people into not being demagogues. Into not whipping up the worst passions of the population and to not saying things that are completely untrue just because they will give you political benefit. It turns out that missing that shame gland is actually might in some ways be a political advantage, but its dangerous for the country. Seth do you think over the course of the last couple of days, the way hes swinging back on daca. Do you think that is maybe that is the development of level of shame . That he feels so bad about the idea. Like some humanitys coming through of, i dont want to send these people away . I do not think shame is in any way responsible for what is happening here with daca. I wish that it were. I think trump is trying to find his way forward, and he knows this is not going well. This is a guy whose primary motivating force in life is to be popular. Is to have people like him. He is an incredibly unpopular president. And as much as he tries to sequester himself from that fact, he cant do it for too long. Eventually it comes out. A lot of the people around him who were pushing the hardest antiimmigration politics in his administration, like bannon are out, Jeff Sessions has fallen out of favor with him. So hes got, i think, more moderate voices around him. So hes trying something a little bit different. And i think hes getting praise, so hes continuing to try it. Seth so the weather vane is just spinning around then . The weather vane is spinning. Seth yeah. But this is a problem, that his preferences here arent stable. And so it doesnt mean that anything different is going to happen in a week. It also doesnt mean that any of this itself will pass. Where he ends up at the end of a debate is often not very well related to what he says in the middle. But for now, daca is a very important program. I mean i think this a genuinely positive development. And if he decides the way to be more popular is to try to create a governing coalition with some democrats and some republicans, that would be, certainly, a step forward. Seth well, i certainly look forward to seeing if that will happen. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Seth ezra klein, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] you can hear our extended conversation on the late Night Podcast on saturday. Well be right back. [ cheers and applause ] we are not here to observe, to sit idly by, or watch from the stands. We are here. For one reason. To leave. A mark. Lexus high performance. With 5. 0liter v8s and sport directshift transmissions. Experience a shift in the natural order. Experience amazing. 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