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Forbid, seem to be coming forward, you go back to 2001 with the americanairlines crash over new york. and then youve really got two commuter incidents, a comair and continental airlines in 2006 and 2009 was the continental one. and now you have this one. so this is by far and away the most serious incident in the united states for some years. >> at least its encouraging that so many people did manage to escape that plane. lets not lose sight of that. >> absolutely. and weve seen that before. we ...

Checklist has me testing the brakes before i, you know, pull away from wherever the plane is tied down. thats job one. wouldnt they have done something like that here? >> well, i think well find out what happened because as soon as you turn the engine on, the black box, the data recorder starts activating. and they will have a complete picture of those few minute bees where the plane was moving, and theyll find out exactly what happened and what was forgotten or what, what broke. jon: yeah. look...