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Contrasts known. ultimately they want to turn a corner and say, republican leadership in congress means the following things. and i think newt gingrich is one of those voices as an idea man inside the republican party trying to push that. >> newt gingrich used the phrase, controlled spending. in your experience, over -- lets say, the last two years, talking to various people on both sides of the aisle, republican and democrat, do you find anyone, do you interview anyone, controlled spending, her...