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Alive and she violated that. >> how is that different? >> what he did was against the law. we released information to his biographier. the information was never allowed out. it never made it into the -- >> that was good fortune for him. >> good fortune. he was punished but did not go to jail. but speaks to what i talked about earlier, about cartwright. >> you got it. >> whats your thought on snowden? >> while chelsea suffered 7 years in prison, the un found she was subject to torture and abuse. ...